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Administrator instructions

Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Information on the process[edit]

What may be nominated for deletion here:

  • Pages in these namespaces: Book:, Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, Education Program:, Module:, Topic:, Gadget:, Gadget definition:, and the various Talk: namespaces
  • Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
  • Files in the File namespace that have a local description pages but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue)
  • Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion[edit]

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace
  • If you want to have your own personal userpage deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}}. If you wish your user talk page (or user talk page archives) to be deleted, this is the correct location to request that.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace
  • Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding {{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}.
  • Take care not to bite newcomers - sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first.
  • Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion.
  • User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion.
  • Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages
  • Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere.
  • Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages
  • It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable.
  • WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication.
  • Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion
  • Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems.
  • Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD
  • Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.
  • Proposed deletion is an option for non-controversial deletions of books (in both User: and Book: namespaces).

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit]

How to list pages for deletion[edit]

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Click to view instructions on listing pages for deletion

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd|{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
If the nomination is for a userbox, please put <noinclude></noinclude> tags around the {{mfd}}, as to not mess up the formating for the userbox.


if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.


if you are nominating a userbox in userspace or similarly transcluded page.
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase
    Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
  • Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
  • Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
  • Save the page
Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

  • Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
  • Insert this text:
{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.
  • Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
  • Please use an edit summary such as
    Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
Add a line to MfD.

Follow   this edit link   and add a line to the top of the list:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".
  • Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
    Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
  • If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.
  • If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
    For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add

    {{subst:MFDWarning|PageName}} ~~~~

    to their talk page, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as

    Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
  • If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
  • If you are nominating a Portal, please make a note of your nomination here and consider using the portal guidelines in your nomination.
  • If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions[edit]

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.


Current discussions[edit]

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

June 28, 2017[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tech Ambassadors[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Tech Ambassadors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Stillborn wikiproject with no participants. This is not something intended for a project anyway, as it involves Mediawiki, and not encyclopedia articles. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Iamthesolution/Stefanie Giao Bui[edit]

User:Iamthesolution/Stefanie Giao Bui (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Instructions for developing articles, the only thing this account created. I think we have better instructions and this is an inappropriate thing to keep in userspace forever Legacypac (talk) 04:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:UK/British English[edit]

Template:UK/British English (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unused single-person userbox Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 04:45, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

June 27, 2017[edit]


User:Ha56ha26/Ruin/Renewal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

5 year abandoned YAMB Legacypac (talk) 15:35, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Enkhjin08/sandbox/Taxi fares by countries and cities[edit]

User:Enkhjin08/sandbox/Taxi fares by countries and cities (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

An effort over a few hours by an editor that left and never edited again. Two cities is a start, but this could be a huge page and information gathering exercise. I don't see it as viable. Legacypac (talk) 15:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


User:Zbag27/Allegaeon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Non-notable band, long abandoned page, creator indef'd so not coming back to improve Legacypac (talk) 06:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Portal:Aviation/Selected Aircraft[edit]

Portal:Aviation/Selected Aircraft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unused, untouched since 2009 Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 03:33, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Functionally transcludes to Portal:Aviation. Deletion would break the main portal page. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:20, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per SmokeyJoe and because pages of this nature may go unedited for long periods of time. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's linked from the bottom left of the "Selected aircraft" box on the portal; it enables the reader to see all of the selected aircraft at once instead of purging the portal page to see a new random selection. Portal:Aviation/Selected Aircraft currently transcludes the first 99 aircraft subpages, so it won't need editing until someone wants to add a 100th aircraft. (Comment adapted from Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Tokyo/Selected picture, earlier this month) -- John of Reading (talk) 06:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Jessicakrzywicki/Camera (band)[edit]

User:Jessicakrzywicki/Camera (band) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Another band page hosted in userspace Legacypac (talk) 03:14, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Very old. No good sources. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Neither "old" nor lack of sources is a valid reason for deleting a userspace draft. If a WP:BEFORE quality search has been done, and an editor can give assurance that there is good reason to think that no sources exist that might plausibly amount to notability, that might be a different thing. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
A very quik google search finds such sources as:
That is enough to preserve a userspace draft, in my view. Indeed it might well be enough to establish notability at an AfD, if tose sources were incorporated, and the result moved to mainspace -- not that I am suggesting that. Perhaps a move to draft space would be proper. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
There seems to be some oddities in the history here. A different version was created in mainspace, and apparently deleted by PROD. User:Jessicakrzywicki seems to have edited and perhaps created that version. The history of this page shows it being created by CameraBand. Perhaps there was a user name change. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Sure. I had more trouble, "camera" and the band member's names were more trouble for my searches. You have shown sources that clearly verify the band. I think the band is no longer active? If not, there is not much cause to argue violation of WP:NOTPROMOTION, so it doesn't even call to be blanked. Is the draft better than Camera (band) was in 2011? Should we contest the PROD? There are a number of bands that sound similar, such as In Camera (band). --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
It looks fairly similar, I haven't done a detailed comparison. It was edited by both User:Jessicakrzywicki and User:CameraBand, as well as a number of editors I recognize as regulars. Both list the band as still active in 2009/2010. i don't know if it is still active or not, probably not as i found no recent mentions in my search. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 04:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Presumably the band was active when a user using the band name started a page. The band website has been re-purposed in Japanese. There myspace page still exists. The label page exists, but the latest posts are years old. A defunct band is unlikely to increase in fame. Legacypac (talk) 05:06, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
True, but none of that is a reason to delete in draft user space. Defunct things sometimes are rediscovered and increase in fame, but in this case it is at least on the borderline of being notable as it stands, with no increase. No valid reason to delete has been mentioned. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 05:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
It's been siting since 2010. The COI creator has had 7 years to bring it up to standard. If it is good enough or almost good enough for mainspace, fix and promote it. If it is not mainspace suitable, it is a WP:NOTAWEBHOST U5 candidate. If this was the workup for the deleted mainspace page, it should have been moved and redirected back in 2010 and than would have been deleted as dependent on the deleted page. Legacypac (talk) 05:46, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
There are no time limits. The page is definitely not in scope for U5, as it is clearly intended as a draft article. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Being old, or even "stale", in no way makes a page eligible for U5 if it wasn't eligable the day of its latest edit. This celarly isn't a U5. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per DESiegel's research. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Jeaglen/The Ice-Cream Sellers[edit]

User:Jeaglen/The Ice-Cream Sellers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unsourced page on a nn band abandoned in userspace. Legacypac (talk) 02:48, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Very old, short term, youth band. No ghits. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • D Stale draft and nn anyway probably. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Moses Jacob Storm[edit]

Draft:Moses Jacob Storm (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Page Moses Jacob Storm deleted A7 in mainspace for failing to assert importance 6 months ago. This draft dates to abou the same time as that deletion and has been abandoned. Had it been moved or redirected properly to mainspace it would have been deleted as a dependant page. Legacypac (talk) 02:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Plausibly notable. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

June 26, 2017[edit]

Draft:Bye Bye Parabens[edit]

Draft:Bye Bye Parabens (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Non-notable company, spammily praising "an international award winning celebrity master hair stylist" who owns the company, but is not celebrity enough to have any article or even redlinks here. No sources, no credible assertion of notability, and a creator who is apparently a freelance spammer (a/k/a undisclosed paid editor with a COI). Orange Mike | Talk 23:32, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Either G11 or WP:TNT. Company, description, company website. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:33, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. The creator is suspected of editing while paid, without disclosure, he's not proven to be doing so - however, the article itself is still a pile of garbage which wouldn't pass even the most basic of tests of notability. Needs to go. Dane|Geld 20:55, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete per above, though I think the undisclosed paid editing can be proven (as much as you can prove anything on the internet) per WP:COIN. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


User:Wkme20089/HigherEdSpace (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Sourced only to a PR release and the subject website. Old userspace draft. Legacypac (talk) 17:18, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Within sight of being OK due to being scholarly, this was something at the time of release, but not enough. Anyone interested should go straight to --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Jimmy caputo student athlete. academic scholarship. community difference maker.[edit]

Draft:Jimmy caputo student athlete. academic scholarship. community difference maker. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Page on a regular high school student Legacypac (talk) 17:00, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:The Name of the Article You Want to Create[edit]

Draft:The Name of the Article You Want to Create (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Abandoned stub about a nn company in finland. Legacypac (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete G11 or WP:TNT. Company, description, company website. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:24, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Ram kay(Persian; pedram Kay,born March 27, 1974 in Tehran, Iran) is an Iranian-American mixed martial artist.[edit]

Draft:Ram kay(Persian; pedram Kay,born March 27, 1974 in Tehran, Iran) is an Iranian-American mixed martial artist. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Abandoned draft about a nn person Legacypac (talk) 16:44, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


Draft:Romlydingi255 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Non-notable kid likely making page about himself Legacypac (talk) 16:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Netflix in the What Over Tourt & Proof Day 11/23/2016[edit]

Draft:Netflix in the What Over Tourt & Proof Day 11/23/2016 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Abandoned list. Unclear to purpose Legacypac (talk) 16:37, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Looks like a dump from a children's section of a Netflix program list. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Simboo Ramjattan - The Roti King[edit]

Draft:Simboo Ramjattan - The Roti King (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Abandoned story. Legacypac (talk) 16:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Republic of Philand[edit]

Draft:Republic of Philand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Use of Wikipedia to promote a "microstate" Legacypac (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete as a hoax. No such place. No such person. Language consistent with a joke. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - I couldn't find even a shred of evidence that this is a real. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Maui Brewing Company[edit]

Draft:Maui Brewing Company (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unremarkable business. Old abandoned draft. Legacypac (talk) 16:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Hawaii's largest craft brewery! Plausibly notable. There is no harm in old drafts in draftspace on plausibly notable topics. Tag with {{Promising draft}} or similar. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per SmokeyJoe's findings. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:大國文化 MusicNation[edit]

Draft:大國文化 MusicNation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Short draft in Chinese abandoned in August 2016 Legacypac (talk) 07:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Content translates to

    The Great Culture Group was established in March 2002 and is a company that offers a full range of music services. The company continues to develop a wide range of music and entertainment activities, and to the mainland of China for our primary center, dedicated to music production, artists and program management project

    . Single edit contributor, no other global contributions. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:23, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Rectumboth/Brian Campeau[edit]

User:Rectumboth/Brian Campeau (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Myspace performer. Old draft abandoned in userspace Legacypac (talk) 02:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • History merge the 2010 versions on to the start of Brian Campeau. Or just redirect, but do not delete. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


User:Realigndesign/Funkdub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

YAMB. Legacypac (talk) 02:48, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


Draft:Duol (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Advertisement Rejected 9 times so far. Delete at MfD Legacypac (talk) 17:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Not simply an advertisement, and if it were it would be G11-ed. Redirect to the parent topic Air-supported structure, where this major manufacturer deserves mention. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:44, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

June 25, 2017[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stagecraft/Collaboration[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Stagecraft/Collaboration (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unused, no need to archive. {{StageCollab}} no longer exists Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 22:31, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

WT:WikiProject Stagecraft has been notified of this discussion. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:45, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:An Article on Community Empowerment[edit]

Draft:An Article on Community Empowerment (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Essay in draft space Legacypac (talk) 16:20, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Geko (UK Rapper)[edit]

Draft:Geko (UK Rapper) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Non notable rapper abandoned draft Legacypac (talk) 16:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. G11 or at least WP:TNT. Referenced to eight youtube links. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Martin edmunds[edit]

Draft:Martin edmunds (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is an abandoned draft that will never be an article. A NOTAWEBHOST violation. Legacypac (talk) 16:13, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:The Dollop[edit]

Draft:The Dollop (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I'd like to test this AfC submission's topic's notability for mainspace. I think it's on the edge of passing GNG Legacypac (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Totally unhelpful. Could you at least try and make meaningful contributions? Legacypac (talk) 16:45, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • "Keep" or even "speedy close" are serious replies. As documented at WP:NMFD, MfD is not to be used to test notability. Testing notability is onerous, and MfD is not equipped for it. Notability requires examining sources that exist, even "might exist" and is not limited to sources currently listed. Nearly everything in draftspace could be submitted to a "test for notability". Feeding them into MfD will swamp MfD with questions out-of-scope of MfD. MfD is not the current substitute for Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard, which dies for the reasons I am trying to explain. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:04, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Godsy you are welcome to comment below my comment but stop changing you origional post to make mine look out of place. Legacypac (talk) 17:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Looks notable enough. It needs help. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:13, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep As per Godsy and SmokeyJoe such tests are inappropriate and out of scope. As per SmokeyJoe, this seems a plausible draft. No valid reason for deletion has been provided, so "when in doubt, don't delete". DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 05:19, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Psychedelic psychonaut[edit]

Template:Psychedelic psychonaut (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unused and nonsensical Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, definitely not unused nor nonsensical. I would like to keep it on my user profile. Thanks

Psychonaut25 8:22 AM EDT, 25 June 2017

I would be open to moving it to Category:Drug user templates or something like that.

Psychonaut25 8:27 AM EDT, 25 June 2017
  • Userfy or delete. Joke userboxen. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:15, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Proud American W/Flag[edit]

Template:Proud American W/Flag (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unused userbox from 2013; may be divisive with the "don't tread on me" flag Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Andrew Chow[edit]

Draft:Andrew Chow (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete old abandoned draft marked as such. Legacypac (talk) 04:11, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Promising draft. Notable person. Unblank it. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


User:Flsstudent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

It is a student's article draft on userpage, violating WP:Userpage guideline. User was notified that this is inappropriate but doesn't seem to be here anymore. Bri (talk) 02:11, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

June 24, 2017[edit]

Draft:Mikael Johnston[edit]

Draft:Mikael Johnston (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

An autobiography, Mikael Johnston was deleted from mainspace in 2006 and several times in 2009, at least once by AfD. It was moved or existed as Userpage, but that was run through MfD in 2011 [Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Mikaeljohnston]. It's been moved several more times since. No one has tried to improve it even though listed for adoption at WP:ABANDONED, and after all this time anyone that wanted to write the topic would need updated info. Time to delete this draft finally. Legacypac (talk) 06:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


Draft:JustKiddingFilms (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

JustKiddingFilms has been deleted 4 times from mainspace already. This abandoned draft should also be deleted unless people feel they are now notable enough for mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 03:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Roger Schank's Contribution To Instructional Design[edit]

Draft:Roger Schank's Contribution To Instructional Design (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Placed here in one edit in Oct 2016. Where was it copied from? It's more an essay Legacypac (talk) 03:36, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Disney Channel (Australia and New Zealand)[edit]

Draft:Disney Channel (Australia and New Zealand) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Old drafting copy of mainspace page. People keep editing it like its a real article. No evidence there are attribution issues to worry about so just delete. Legacypac (talk) 03:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Fixer culture[edit]

Draft:Fixer culture (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.)PMC(talk) 23:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft reads like nonsense. Creator removed G13 tag. Delete this pointless draft Legacypac (talk) 16:58, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete - If in article space, would be a candidate for G1 as word salad. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:19, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - I understand it just fine. Google News results for "fixer culture" and Google Books results for "fixer culture". Though this was created over a year ago making little progress, the sourcing I found quickly online is rather weak, and the user who created this has less than 50 edits (~50% of which are to this page); I see no harm in retaining this, the creator seems to have a desire to improve it, and it does not unduly promote anything. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ♠PMC(talk) 23:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

June 23, 2017[edit]


Draft:Hellotravel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Author seems no longer active and page seems promotional in nature. FockeWulf FW 190 (talk) 23:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Ben.zarsky/David Fagan (educator)[edit]

User:Ben.zarsky/David Fagan (educator) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I origionally felt this topic was notable but User:ONUnicorn did a lot of work on it and found various things just did not check out. ONUnicorn sought deletion. Now Godsy has requested it be restored into the userspace of the long gone original creator. User:BU Rob13 accepted this strange request, so here we are. Godsy has stated clearly he has no intent to work on this page. Should this be kept, or was the decision in mainspace conclusive that this should be deleted and left deleted. Legacypac (talk) 18:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment. I have no opinion on whether this should be kept or deleted. It's genuinely borderline. It was originally deleted in mainspace at this AfD, but as per the community consensus here, the draft should have been moved back to the userspace. This does not mean it can't be deleted here, but it does mean the default action is moving to userspace, not deleting. I did just that. ~ Rob13Talk 19:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • It also is not at all as the long gone user left it. User:ONUnicorn edited it as much or more than the user that started the page. I supported User:ONUnicorn's assessment at the AfD. Legacypac (talk) 21:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • A good rationale for moving it to draftspace, which I'd certainly support if consensus is to keep this. Not particularly relevant to deletion. ~ Rob13Talk 21:10, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[edit] (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

WP:FAKEARTICLE on user page. Article in mainspace has been deleted multiple times over the year. Whpq (talk) 12:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete no need to keep this junk. It's been found to be unsuitable already. Legacypac (talk) 13:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Charlotte Mensah[edit]

Draft:Charlotte Mensah (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unsourced BLP with no serious indication of notability. Legacypac (talk) 09:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Gentleman's Club Rose City Original[edit]

Draft:Gentleman's Club Rose City Original (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

No chance of becoming an article and not a serious effort. Just link building for SEO purposes. Legacypac (talk) 09:28, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:List of Canadians in the National Football League[edit]

Draft:List of Canadians in the National Football League (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

except it is not, it has no sources, and is obviously very incomplete. No one is working on this page for many months Legacypac (talk) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:YMG Young Masters Golf[edit]

Draft:YMG Young Masters Golf (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not a valid draft Legacypac (talk) 09:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Newa atheist[edit]

Template:Newa atheist (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unused, no clue what "newa athiest" is as it's redlinked Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 07:03, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/NJCOTW[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/NJCOTW (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Started in 2008, no proof that it was ever implemented as the page has not been touched at all since. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 05:38, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Archive, do not delete. Wikipedia:WikiProjects are full of faded ideas that marked the end of activity of most WikiProjects. It is part of the history of their death. Don't delete/censor history. Deleting all the painfully obvious death signs of WikiProjects may cause someone to believe there is still life there. WikiProject subpage deletions should be the business of the WikiProject members, not of outsiders. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:10, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep (I'm fine with archive as suggested by SmokeyJoe) per my rationale at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Theatre/COTM. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:27, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
WT:WikiProject New Jersey has been notified of this discussion. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:34, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Gamergate controversy[edit]

Draft:Gamergate controversy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not edited since Oct 2016, this was a page for proposing changes. It is now just a shadow outdated article living in draft space. Legacypac (talk) 03:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • This draft has seventy authors. How can we be sure that it includes no attribution history for the article Gamergate controversy that needs preservation? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Has to be kept for attribution, unless some brave soul wants to try and do a history merge. The draft has twice been copied to the main space article. — Strongjam (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Is a redirect sufficient for attribution? Legacypac (talk) 13:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, a redirect. It's just the history that matters. The draft page was just a redirect for awhile (Old revision of Draft:Gamergate controversy ). — Strongjam (talk) 13:33, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Redirect completed for attribution reasons. This can be SNOW closed. Legacypac (talk) 13:43, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

June 22, 2017[edit]

Category:AfC submissions declined as blank[edit]

Category:AfC submissions declined as blank (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am bulk nominating 208 pages declined at AfC as blank. Most are some form of sandbox but a few are Draft namespace. My rational is that they are much like G2 test pages but Technically G2 does not apply to sandboxes, but they are submitted to AfC sometimes more then once and should not be in the AfC wheelhouse. In theory these will age out G13 but if we nuke them all together it will reduce the G13 load (CSDing and then deleting) and be more efficent for the deleting Admin to handle like pages together. Any that the deleting admin finds are now no longer effectively blank would be exempt from deletion at the Admin's discretion. Note I'm nominating the pages in the category not the actual category. Legacypac (talk) 22:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete all mere tests if in draftspace. If and only if blank. And these deletions should be performed via the Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G2 process, not applicable to userspace or explicit sandboxes, with history checking for someone blanking non-trivial contents. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    Keep all in userspace. Userspace is for users to play in. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
But not to play in by clogging up AfC with blank submissions. That requires the effort of other editors to clean up. Legacypac (talk) 22:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
It is not the user's fault that their tests are being categorised so. Get the AfC people to fix their auto-categorisation so you don't have to look at userspace old AfC tests. Users should be able to test project things in userspace. There needs to be a good reason to interfere with others' use of their userpsace.
The userpage redlinked categories problem was worse, and was not just a userspace issue, because adding categories to userspace technically creates the categories in category space if they don't already exist, and reasons were provided why the tool Special:WantedCategories couldn't be easily fixed.
This is just a userspace issue, and I see no reason why the templated auto-categorisation can't be fixed so as to not bother others. Simply stop categorising userspace AfC submissions rejected at blank. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:10, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep all - The userspace drafts should be kept per SmokeyJoe and because userspace pages (especially sandboxes) are fluid (i.e. they may contain page history the users want or now contain content like User:Joachim Oforchukwu/sandbox). Furthermore, just because a page was submitted blank at one time, doesn't say anything about the activity of the user. The userpages of active users pages should generally not be deleted without serious problems. Keep the drafts as just because they were submitted as blank once does not mean that they are now (e.g. Draft:Ben Sweetland). Only ~20 of the 200+ pages are in the draftspace. No {{mfd}} notices on the pages and no notifications to the creators also doesn't sit well with me. No prejudice against individual nominations of truly problematic pages. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:12, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Checking random members, I see that Draft:Rassan is not blank, and so auto-deletion of the category membership, even just draftspace ones, would be improper. They need to be individually checked. The auto-categorisation tool is producing erroneous output. "Was once blank" does not mean "Is blank" let alone "All versions blank". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I did not suggest autodeletion and suggested exempting any pages now not blank. Legacypac (talk) 01:38, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Then you should list or categorise the ones you mean. The category you have listed includes pages with content, and so this nomination must be rejected. Also "now not blank" is not good enough, I expect "never not blank" or "blanked bu the sole author", but note that these imply, respectively, G2 or G7, there is no role for MfD, unless the CSD is objected to. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • It is not the job of the community here or the closing administrator, to look through over 200 pages and see if they are blank or not (in this case) and examine the history. A nominator must, at the least, compile a list of the specific pages they want deleted. They should all be listed at the top of the miscellany for deletion page using multiple {{pagelinks}} templates. An {{mfd}} notice should ideally be placed on each one as is required; this requirement is sometimes waived with large nominations, especially if all the pages are related, subpages of a main page, or all by the same user or a few users, though that is not necessarily the case here. It is also recommended to leave a notice of the discussion for those who created the pages on their respective talk pages. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep all. Tests, including blank pages, are perfectly proper in daft or user space. No valid reason to delete has been provided. Besides that, improper nomination as per Godsy and SmokeyJoe above.


Draft:RealTimeRace (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Old draft not improved since 2009. It's been handled plenty though so delete to clear it from the system Legacypac (talk) 21:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Was upcoming, but didn't come. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


User:MusikBot/StaleDrafts/Report (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is a mass nomination of every page on this report up to 150 in size. None of these drafts have been edited in 6 months. They are either completely blank, contain only a repeat of the title, some nonsense, or at very best a little bit of info that is not enough to consider a proper start to an article. I cite WP:G2 test pages, either of the Blank Speedy criteria, and G13 (although they lack the AfCtemplate). Putting an AfC template on these pages is just a waste of time and process for process. To be clear I'm not seeking deletion of the report, only the pages up to 150 in size. Legacypac (talk) 18:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete ...and G13 (although they lack the AfD template). Putting an AfD... I think you meant AfC :) But anyway I'm all for deletion of the really small drafts. People have been working off of this report for about a year and a half, and I've seen a lot of time wasted through MfD'ing them. There might have been some that were kept but not to my recollection, and surely a low percentage. Overall, in my opinion we need a new speedy criterion for old, useless drafts. We're not worried about conserving disk space or anything, rather these are cluttering up the Draft namespace, obscuring those that actually have a chance at becoming articles MusikAnimal talk 21:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes AfC. Thank-you. I've CSD G2 a few and then got the bright idea to batch nominate them. 150 seemed like a reasonable cutoff but I could go higher. You can't say anything meaningful in terms of starting an article in 150 characters. Legacypac (talk) 21:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment -
All 209 pages from small to large (6 at 150):
  1. Draft:Dooa El Adl
  2. Draft:Christopher Thomas Healy
  3. Draft:Gele Seckstein
  4. Draft:Andrew Chow
  5. Draft:Cody Veith
  6. Draft:Jaiteg Singh Anant
  7. Draft:Paloma Arellano
  8. Draft:Benyamin Jahromi
  9. Draft:The Gubb
  10. Draft:Bullet Transport
  11. Draft:Ciaran McFadden
  12. Draft:Aniket gawali
  13. Draft:Blake Gray
  14. Draft:Tanglewood (Clinton, Mississippi)
  15. Draft:Glioln
  16. Draft:Deklan Hill
  17. Draft:SneaK it
  18. Draft:TheDaRkSider360
  19. Draft:Yabra
  20. Draft:Cameron Jack (Actor)
  21. Draft:C. W. Snedden
  22. Draft:Robert Kobbe
  23. Draft:Onion boi
  24. Draft:Kallippati
  25. Draft:Ginelkla Massa
  26. Draft:Nicki Grasso
  27. Draft:Nordic psytrance
  28. Draft:Constable Hawwwy
  29. Draft:Yellow Dress(album)
  30. Draft:Charie Stratton
  31. Draft:Leather Spa
  32. Draft:Darcy Compton
  33. Draft:Iain Parkinson
  34. Draft:Feel free to be it!
  35. Draft:Angelo Maristela
  36. Draft:Sophie Gonzalez
  37. Draft:Clayton baker
  38. Draft:Midleton College
  39. Draft:The PG Hood: Northfield 7th
  40. Draft:Climax Radiology Education Foundation (CREF)
  41. Draft:Hakko Densho Ryu Jujutsu
  42. Draft:Piratebrown
  43. Draft:Los Angeles Flex
  44. Draft:Fr.Gregory Augustine
  45. Draft:Cobra Nation
  46. Draft:Crotchy the clown
  47. Draft:Amino (app)
  48. Draft:Alban Berisha
  49. Draft:2 (Tamil Number)
  50. Draft:C.Bavoo
  51. Draft:Harivin Ramadass
  52. Draft:Angelique Michaels
  53. Draft:Leslie Wardrep
  54. Draft:Sabina Kondich
  55. Draft:S.M.O.S
  56. Draft:Kelli-Leigh
  57. Draft:Codemazk Inc.
  58. Draft:Aetrya
  59. Draft:Nakano's vanishing theorem
  60. Draft:Trevin Giles
  61. Draft:Bristol Sport
  62. Draft:Jeff jeff bob bob
  63. Draft:Ashley Nadesan
  64. Draft:Rahmel Dockery
  65. Draft:Sammy Michael
  66. Draft:Richard Drucks
  67. Draft:Dina Živojinović
  68. Draft:V Square S Business Development Consultants
  69. Draft:Shahoon malik
  70. Draft:Dean Conger
  71. Draft:2016 Tasmanian Floods
  72. Draft:Alianza Consultants
  73. Draft:Tendring Volleyball Club
  74. Draft:Pup Star
  75. Draft:Azam Chaudhary
  76. Draft:Sarfraz Farakh
  77. Draft:Joanna Woodham (Nee Glen)
  78. Draft:Larry McGraw
  79. Draft:Simran Sharma
  80. Draft:Pilchinnampalayam
  81. Draft:MeldTuber
  82. Draft:Suhaib Saqib
  83. Draft:Bodega
  84. Draft:Moses Jacob Storm
  85. Draft:Wilhelm Abt
  86. Draft:Kiran vegireddy
  87. Draft:Tim Mickleburgh
  88. Draft:Kiddzies Studios
  89. Draft:Ernst Saager
  90. Draft:Wladimir Sabler
  91. Draft:Sea Oleena
  92. Draft:Sanjit singh
  93. Draft:GTime
  94. Draft:Marlin olsen
  95. Draft:Cinemassacre
  96. Draft:Alfred Zipp
  97. Draft:Karl Friedrich
  98. Draft:Nihat emre tosun
  99. Draft:Blade Auto Center
  100. Draft:Ambanidadora
  101. Draft:Aaron Nelson
  102. Draft:First Recorded Sound
  103. Draft:Heinrich List
  104. Draft:The Urmar or Burki
  105. Draft:National Brotherin Day
  106. Draft:Andreas Zink
  107. Draft:Imisordia
  108. Draft:Alfred Zuner
  109. Draft:FlatSat
  110. Draft:Glasgow Irish FC
  111. Draft:Ethan McClellan
  112. Draft:David Avetyan
  113. Draft:Rahul Khurana
  114. Draft:Sandeep Kulhari
  115. Draft:Josef Auer
  116. Draft:Spanish recipients of the Deutsche Adlerorden fünfter Klasse (mit oder ohne Schwertern)
  117. Draft:Santosh Kumar Srivastava
  118. Draft:Walter Zugehör
  119. Draft:Cotensor product
  120. Draft:Sonia trabelsi
  121. Draft:ItsRickTV
  122. Draft:Wilhelm Zimmermann
  123. Draft:Heartfulness meditation
  124. Draft:Balagurusamy
  125. Draft:Famou$ Bueller
  126. Draft:Godfred Yaw Prebbie Mensah
  127. Draft:Sentinels (band)
  128. Draft:Ajay gaikwad
  129. Draft:Behrouz sebt rasoul
  130. Draft:Jarred Ogungbemi-Jackson
  131. Draft:Hopf algebra of a graph
  132. Draft:Oskar Zwillus
  133. Draft:Rupert Zug
  134. Draft:Vom Air
  135. Draft:Otto Zipperer
  136. Draft:Gerhard Zink
  137. Draft:Heinrich Zimmermann
  138. Draft:Nicole McDonald
  139. Draft:Joan Margaret Bielski AO AM
  140. Draft:Herbert Ender
  141. Draft:Stephan Gierets
  142. Draft:Marciano Soetoredjo
  143. Draft:Sumit goyal
  144. Draft:Bentzion Abramovicz
  145. Draft:Willy Zirkel
  146. Draft:Josef Zinecker
  147. Draft:Farr 727
  148. Draft:Amelia Sheridan
  149. Draft:Md mehdi
  150. Draft:Jarod Goodman
  151. Draft:Leopold Zöller
  152. Draft:Alfons Schill
  153. Draft:Adam Blampied
  154. Draft:Mark Roberts Darts Player
  155. Draft:Claire Vredenburg
  156. Draft:Astasia Sanchez
  157. Draft:Paul Raeside
  158. Draft:Sai charan nowapda
  159. Draft:Esteban Dong
  160. Draft:UiO
  161. Draft:Freddy Magistrale
  162. Draft:MedalRock Media Alliance
  163. Draft:Graded Hopf algebra
  164. Draft:Aquababy Warrior
  165. Draft:Karl Zimmermann (Wehrmacht)
  166. Draft:Equivariant homology
  167. Draft:Swami (TV Series)
  168. Draft:Sonic the hedgehog jr
  169. Draft:PMMP
  170. Draft:Huna Mission Hall
  171. Draft:Marcelo Fernandes é um Jogador de Futebol, nascido em Cascavel - Paraná - Brasil em 01/01/1991
  172. Draft:Open19
  173. Draft:Infamousparsa
  174. Draft:Danny Bramson
  175. Draft:Varon Bonicos
  176. Draft:Angustia
  177. Draft:Elizabeth Ashmead Schaeffer
  178. Draft:Ixel alpha 505
  179. Draft:Castle Craig Farm
  180. Draft:Snowy Gaming
  181. Draft:Migizi Miigwanan Secondary School
  182. Draft:Charlie Salt (Musician)
  183. Draft:Zachary Brignac
  184. Draft:Azusa: The Next Generation
  185. Draft:London Perrantes (basketball)
  186. Draft:Hassanbihi Ahmed Ali
  187. Draft:Fibration of simplicial sets
  188. Draft:B.k bags
  189. Draft:Karl Zimmermann
  190. Draft:Tausif Alam Khan
  191. Draft:Guatauva
  192. Draft:Wilhelm Geue
  193. Draft:Zenith Soccer Academy
  194. Draft:Nathan Krenice
  195. Draft:William 'Bill' Hewison
  196. Draft:Wilhelm Quade
  197. Draft:OTP banka Hrvatska
  198. Draft:Mbombela United Football Club
  199. Draft:English scorpion
  200. Draft:Star Trek: The Corinthian Empire
  201. Draft:Varun Shekade
  202. Draft:Kalri Minor
  203. Draft:Weather Geeks
  204. Draft:Dan Holland (at 150)
  205. Draft:Viktor Bauer (at 150)
  206. Draft:Wark F.C. (at 150)
  207. Draft:Julia Barinova (at 150)
  208. Draft:Chris Dollar (at 150)
  209. Draft:Tap to Riches (at 150)
— Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Draft:Geoffrey de Lusignan and Draft:Dooa El Adl, i.e. 2 out of the first 50 due to their page history. Neutral on the other first 48. Will expand this later. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose this as seeking to develop end runs around the G13 process. Instead, openly seek to broaden G13 to cover all draft pages, and then see the discussion develop with respect to things in draft space not simply as new topic ideas. "Putting an AfC template" on pages to make them G13 is highly objectionable. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:32, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment valid redirects and subsequently expanded pages would not be deleted by any Admin working this list. Godsy should not be unblanking a page that failed AfC and then was blanked by the only author making it G7 deletable, just to disrupt this MfD nomination. The author requested deletion already, give it to them already. Legacypac (talk) 01:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep all per SmokeyJoe; I misread the part of the nomination statement which they pointed out. No prejudice against proper individual nominations or speedy deletion requests for any of the pages. Even a proper group nomination would be more appropriate; it doesn't sit well with me that no {{mfd}} notices were applied to the pages and the authors were not notified as is required and recommended respectively. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 02:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep all per SmokeyJoe. This kind of mass-nomination is totally inappropriate, and as SmokeyJoe said, an attempted end-run around the consensus limiting G13 to a narrow set of circumstances. This clearly a form of gaming the system. In fact, i am thinking that an ANI discussion is warranted. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WP:V is not a suicide pact[edit]

Wikipedia:WP:V is not a suicide pact (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Recently, a months-long, multiple hundred kilobyte discussion about the same topic this essay addresses took place at WT:V, and is yet unclosed. The emergent consensus there should override this outdated essay into oblivion. This ten-year-old essay does not aid in understanding either WP:V or WP:BLP, and appears to have been linked to six times ever, twice in the past two years. Snuge purveyor (talk) 16:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

The shortcut WP:VPACT will also need to be deleted, and the link to this essay at the bottom of Wikipedia:Our social policies are not a suicide pact. Snuge purveyor (talk) 17:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete, horribly outdated and pointless. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 17:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Archive maybe, but do not delete. Consider merging and redirecting to similar essays about other policies and advice not being intended to be read narrowly and absolutely. These essays are Wikipedia history, and this history should not be deleted/censored. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:35, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree with you about protecting history, but every substantial edit to the essay under discussion was made by a single editor on one day. I don't feel like that's really part of our institutional history. Maybe userfy? Snuge purveyor (talk) 21:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Good point, it could be userfied. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:00, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Userfy per Snuge purveyor. No opposition to a {{historical}} tag if anyone feels it is due. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 01:52, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


User:Bellsforsashes/aaronpfenning (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

WP:ABANDONED draft from 2010 recently sent to userspace by a user who has no intent to work on this. Either it belongs in mainspace or it deserves to be deleted as WP:ABANDONED. Very conveniently this was moved out of mainspace during a time I'm prohibited from moving it back. Legacypac (talk) 03:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Thank-you for providing the link. Legacypac (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - Deletion or a move to the mainspace are not the only options. No objection to blanking it with {{inactive userpage blanked}}. 1 hour and 1 minute after a draft has been restored is not the time to seek deletion. The user whose move of this page to the mainspace implied that they thought it was suitable for the mainspace is now seeking deletion. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 13:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Waste of time. My personal hound is still reviewing all my edits and can't be content with letting pages have their natural fate. Is the long gone creator coming back?. Legacypac (talk) 16:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Legacypac I am all about throwing out the garbage but if someone thinks its salvageable and they want to work on it, what difference does it make to you in userspace? The creator isn't the only editor who is allowed to work on it... CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
He does not intend to work on it. He made that very clear in the restore request. Legacypac (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
You missed my point, anyone can work on it. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:43, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Godsy has no intention of working on it. The creator is long gone. Except for this MfD no one else would know anything about it or have any good way of finding it. Even the title is not formatted properly. I thought the topic was notable enough for mainspace and support putting it back so everyone can work on it. 17:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)~~

Draft:Dandrea Visual Communications PM[edit]

Draft:Dandrea Visual Communications PM (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Some sort of technical manual. Can't find a CSD to apply, can't prove copyvio, so how about we call this NOTAWEBHOST Legacypac (talk) 00:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete How bout WP:NOTMANUAL, Legacypac? ;) — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 08:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - Clearly some sort of internal company process and procedures manual. -- --Whpq (talk) 12:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete Not even a manual. There's a header called "When to contact Tom". Snuge purveyor (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I've tried tagging as vandalism. It is clearly not an appropriate use of wikipedia. Legacypac (talk) 18:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Vandalism has a specific meaning, and in this case it is not vandalism. See WP:Vandalism. While vandalism is an inappropriate use of Wikipedia, inappropriate use of Wikipedia does not necessarily equate to vandalism. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 18:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Creating pages with random nonsense is a form of vandalism. Legacypac (talk) 18:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
The content on the page is not random nonsense. Poor writing ≠ nonsense. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 19:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete - Not vandalism. User:Legacypac - You have been edited Wikipedia long enough to know what is not vandalism. Not random nonsense. But not a useful draft. Not clear what it is, only what it isn't. Delete. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Grabbing something random from the web and pasting it on a new wiki page is not a good faith contribution. Legacypac (talk) 03:15, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Taiyabur Rahman Chowdhury[edit]

Draft:Taiyabur Rahman Chowdhury (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Non-notable bio Legacypac (talk) 22:14, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep per WP:NMFD. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Update remove vanity bio/FAKEARTICE from draft space Maybe suited to someone's userpage if they are an active contributor. Legacypac (talk) 07:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
"Vanity bio" seems improbable given that the subject was deceased at the time of the draft's creation. It is unclear what would make this a fake article as opposed to a good-faith draft; he was awarded an MBE and was the subject of an article in the Telegraph & Argus. This article was nearly a G13 candidate at the time of the MfD nomination, though, so I guess delete without prejudice to a refund if someone wants it? VQuakr (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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  • Move to mainspace. Sourced, further sources easily found, an MBE recipient, notable. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely if MBE is an automatic notability. I did not know that. Legacypac (talk) 04:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Nothing is automatic notability, but an OBE is a pretty serious indicator. The proportion of MBE recipients without a Wikipedia biography is pretty small. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC) Checking, ... there are a lot more bluelinks than redlinks, but for historical people, like 50 years ago, most have no sources and no mention. This is a large part of the reason behind WP:NMFD, checking notability for a draft is an onerous undertaking, you can't just look and guess. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
OBE and MBE are very different levels. Still, plausibly notable. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:19, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Conception Birthday Celebrations[edit]

Draft:Conception Birthday Celebrations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Not a suitable topic. Repeatedly submitted to AfC Legacypac (talk) 01:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep - Only submitted twice and changed before the second submission. Only ~8 months old and was edited about ~6 months ago. Information about how the concept of birthdays emerged could find a place in the encyclopedia, though much better sources would be needed. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 17:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
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Draft:1955 Singapore Harbour Board Staff Association strike[edit]

Draft:1955 Singapore Harbour Board Staff Association strike (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Class assignment essay content. Legacypac (talk) 00:27, 14 June 2017 (UTC) I have edited my draft and resubmitted after each comment from a reviewer.

However if you wished to delete my draft there is nothing I can do about it. I will respect the decision of wikipedia. I would also not attempt to contribute to wikipedia in future.

The below sites were published despite errors, issues with pro-leftist tones and essay tones.

Reginazhou2017 (talk) 04:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank-you for posting. No one is saying not to contribute. This page was just caught up in some housekeeping of drafts that don't appear to meet Wikipedia standards for various reasons. The best way to get comfortable at Wikipedia is to contribute to existing pages before attempting a new page. 80% of new pages by inexperienced editors get deleted but 80% of new pages by experienced editors stay undeleted. Creating a new page successfully is one of the tougher things to do here. I'll take a look at two pages you linked. The existence of problematic content elsewhere does not justify adding to the problem. Legacypac (talk) 06:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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User:Mymyyada/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Nonnotable drinking game. Legacypac (talk) 23:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep - This draft was started on April 19, 2017‎ (the sandbox formerly held something else), making it just two months old. It has only been submitted to articles for creation for review twice, and was substantially expanded before the second submission. Notability isn't a primary concern here per WP:NMFD. The topic itself is fairly new, a better claim that it is notable may be possible if it is allowed to stew for a while; if not, we can revisit deletion later. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:01, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. There's not a hope in hell that this will achieve encyclopedic notability. If someone wants to promote their drinking game they should use Facebook. --Calton | Talk 12:13, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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June 21, 2017[edit]

Draft:Experion Technologies[edit]

Draft:Experion Technologies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

this page has been deleted from AfD. Attempt to create again this page. should be deleted. Light2021 (talk) 21:07, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Delete This draft contains advert Information and should be deleted as per WP:AdvertIM3847 (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


Draft:Zebronics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Article fails WP:N. Editor has failed to heed the advice of several independent editors and has resubmitted the draft without attending to the issues. - as raised by Curb Safe Charmer in his Prod tag. Note that drafts cannot be prodded Yashovardhan (talk) 15:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete and salt as was repeatedly re created. Also for the concern that the company is trying to contact Wikipedia editors outside Wikipedia. Yashovardhan (talk) 16:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete and salt as above. Editor has seemingly ignored concerns and resubmitted without fixing as well as undoing other editors when they make basic corrections to the page. See also this brief discussion. Eagleash (talk) 16:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete and salt The draft has been declined on eight occasions by six different editors. Six of those declines have been because notability had not been established. The references remain mostly corporate announcements. I have not seen any indication of independent, in depth coverage of the company. Despite the editor having has said that they "would no longer like to make edit to that page" which I take to mean that they've become bored with trying to get the article approved, they have re-submitted again with no significant improvement. Curb Safe Charmer (talk)

The changes havebeen made in references as well as in content mentioned by the senior editors Yashovardhan,Curb Safe Charmer. It can be seen in the history if needed and also i would no longer like to make edits is mentioned because of frustration, the google search engine displays lot of coverages about the company, so i have no clue about what excatly is notablity. I have made 3 article till now , but only 1 got approved i am happy that senior editor like Curb Safe Charmer and Yashovardhanoffered me a valuable advice and don't have any clue about Eagleash - Thank you (talk)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shusilence (talkcontribs) 5:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

"i have no clue about what excatly is notablity" is exactly the problem, Shusilence. Did you ever read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) as recommended in the decline reason that was provided on eight occasions? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete and Salt this just came up on my submissions feed. Stop wasting our time already. I'm marking it rejected again. Legacypac (talk) 05:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Submitted yet again with some more minor disruption. Eagleash (talk) 09:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I have requested page protection until this MFD closes. See WP:RFPP#Draft:Zebronics. Yashovardhan (talk) 13:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I have extended-confirmed protected for 5 days. Lectonar (talk) 13:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


User:Bgc7676 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

These appear to be fake results for the upcoming Big Brother 19 (U.S.). Wikipedia is not a web host for your predictions. Whpq (talk) 10:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


Wikipedia:TRS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Created in 2008 and never updated. Seems to be redundant to Wikipedia:WikiProject Conservatism's main page. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 03:59, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion Restore the original redirect created by User:Droll, to Wikipedia:WikiProject The Rolling Stoneshike395 (talk) 04:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all nominated. Redirecting leaves the templates orphaned. Legacypac (talk) 05:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong Redirect to Wikipedia:WikiProject The Rolling Stones. The templates can be taken to templates for deletion. No one has disputed the fact that this would make a reasonable redirect to WikiProject The Rolling Stones, and there is no reason to hide the page history from public view if that is to ultimately be done.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 21:11, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete all, including the templates (WP:BURO). --Calton | Talk 12:20, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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  • Redirect per Godsy. Graham87 07:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • the templates are already being discussed here. Pointless to defer discussion to TfD where they will be unused. Just more wikiwonkery. Legacypac (talk) 16:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Move to Wikipedia:WikiProject Conservatism/News/TRM. WikiProject stuff. Not redundant to the WikiProject main page. "Not updated" is not a reason for deleting WikiProject stuff. Should never have been put in raw ProjectSpace, belongs as a subpage of the WikiProject. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Post-move, retarget the new redirect WP:TRS to Wikipedia:WikiProject The Rolling Stones. There looks to be no serious incoming links to worry about, although probably WP:RfD knows better who to manage this. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

June 20, 2017[edit]

Draft:Monte Carlo Vodka[edit]

Draft:Monte Carlo Vodka (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

promotional page for non notable vodka. G11 CSD was contested. No improvement in sourcing or content. Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete they need to establish notability and I'm not seeing it. Legacypac (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. User:Newimpartial contested User:DGG's G11-tagging with "not spam". It is unambiguous promotion, of no use the the project, references included were useless. Was not a reasonable G11 contest. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm still not sure about the content, but it is clearly linkspam. Note however, contra Legacypac, that they by no means have to establish notability in draft space.
Also, I do think cases like this, where the draftor went to the trouble of trying not to sound promotional, should go to MfD rather than a CSD process. Newimpartial (talk) 00:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
You should review the draft creator's contributions, the quality of the references in the draft, note that it is textbook promotion, and agree that the page is textbook G11-able. {{Welcome}} the author by all means, be nice to him, but do not tolerate the blatant promotion. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete (obviously) :Agreed that there is no need to establish notability in Draft space. A draft doesn't even have to pass speedy A7 for an indication of importance. The intention is that the draft is there to be improved, which can normally be best done by adding references. But if it is fundamentally promotional , it needs to be started over. DGG ( talk ) 19:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete I would have declined the G11 -- this isn't blatantly promotional. Indeed it is largely factual, but with the facts carefully selected to have a promotional effect. This could perhaps be edited into a valid article, but the chance is small. "they need to establish notability" is of course wrong, but I see no objection to deletion by consensus after discussion. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 05:13, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
    • My view is that no one should be encouraged to start an article using promotional sources, and then find other sources afterwards to attest to notability. That feels like dishonest scholarship. If the only sources are promotional, I think WP:TNT is called for. No prejudice against the topic, but find independent sources before starting. I think G11 was correct, because every word was sourced from an inappropriate source. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Save as Draft[edit]

Draft:Save as Draft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Aside from release confirmation, this draft is full of unsourced speculation (and likely fancruft). There are no legitimate sources outside of album reviews and artist/label commentary discussing the track in much (if any) detail. It therefore is too early for this to have an article or even a draft (no pun intended). Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • The reason this draft should be deleted is actually because a mainspace redirect already exists, plus there's a (currently blocked) disruptive user who seems to insist on maintaining inappropriate speculation/fancruft additions who will otherwise likely continue such behavior in the future. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Thacker101 (talk · contribs)? I'm not on top of that, but seeing as the song is in the process of being released, (is there an official release coming post pre-release release?), it is time to expand coverage, probably make an article at the redirected title, just like all of her other songs. Given that these things are happening now, we should relax this restraint now. I think the content of the draft is find to build upon. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes; that's the user who keeps pulling things out of nowhere. The problem with having a draft now is that the release date is literally the only detail so far that has been credibly confirmed. Not nearly enough solid material to work with at the moment. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • The audio, the lyrics, reviews, they are all out there. Are we talking about the same thing? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:58, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • SmokeyJoe, per NSONGS, just commentary on audio and passable mention of lyrics etc are not enough to warrant a separate article. It needs an independent third party notability. Like newspaper or magazines independently discussing the track outside of Witness. —IB [ Poke ] 10:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • That's a redirect question, not a deletion question. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Again, a redirect already exists, so there's no good reason a draft full of fancruft and unconfirmed suspicions should be kept or moved to mainspace. The valid redirect can be converted instead when enough solid material to work off of is actually available. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Disagree, it is not "fancruft and unconfirmed suspicions". The better action is to (1) Delete the current redirect at Save as Draft; (2) Move Draft:Save as Draft to Save as Draft; (3) Redirect Save as Draft to Katy Perry discography; (4) Allow reversion of the redirect when allowed per NSONGS, and build on the history of this draft. MfD should not be used for every too-early drafting of a song spinout. There is nothing inherently wrong with the drafting, but serious content should be added directly to Katy Perry discography. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • (Shakes head in disappointment) Surely you jest; it would be much better to delete the bad draft (along with needless bad history) and then convert the good redirect when more solid material is available. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Whether you are right, or me, your use of "much" is too much exaggeration. It doesn't matter "much". It doesn't matter enough to bring to MfD. If you find fancruft in draftspace, just redirect to the topic in mainspace. Deleting needless history is busywork. OK, delete now that we are here, but please don't bring everything like this to MfD. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep It may be too early for an article in mainspace (or it may not). But that is not a valid reason to delete a draft. This is a plausible start for what may eventually become a valid article, and it doesn't have to be ready for mainspace now to be a valid draft. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 05:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep - Draftspace is the appropriate place for attempting to draft an article. This page was nominated for deletion on the same day it was created. Unless it has extreme problems (most of which are covered by the criteria for speedy deletion), there is no harm in keeping this around for a while. If it develops into content that can be used in the encyclopedia in some way, the encyclopedia is better for it; if not, no harm is done. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:37, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Wan Alif[edit]

Draft:Wan Alif (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Unsourced BLP with no claim of significance and no evidence this topic should he developed. Would be immediately CSD'd in mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 15:40, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep But this isn't mainspace. Not yet sourced texts are a significant part of what draft space is for. Has the nominator done a WP:BEFORE search? if not, the absence of sources is not relevant. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 05:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

The content reads in its entirety: "Wan Alif (the actual name is 'Wan Muhammad Alif Asyraf bin Wan Mustafa', born 5 January 2000) is a Malaysian actor, singer-songwriter and entrepreneur. He started his career as a singer-songwriter when he uploaded a video on YouTube of him playing his own song with a guitar. He then slowered his career as a singer as he has to further his studies." with 3 social media links to the creator?

He is a 17 years old who uploaded a video to youtube and then "slowered his career as a singer" For this he claims to be an "actor, singer-songwriter and entrepreneur." Any reasonable reading of those claims with that evidence comes to the conclusion this is a hoax or a gross exaggeration to the point of absurdity and a waste of AfC time Did your searches find anything different? Legacypac (talk) 05:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep - Nominated one day after creation. No harm in keeping it around a bit and giving it a chance. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:"Maestro" Claudio Bergamin[edit]

Draft:"Maestro" Claudio Bergamin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Many declined submissions to AfC. Kill off to stop wasting time. Legacypac (talk) 09:18, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep the editor appears to be making good-faith attempts to improve the article prior to each resubmission. Everyone was new once, as discussed at WP:BITE. VQuakr (talk) 08:28, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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Old business[edit]

June 20, 2017[edit]

Draft:Shahnaz Bashir[edit]

Draft:Shahnaz Bashir (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Biography of a Living person without any Source and may not follow Wikipedian rules as per WP:Notability IM3847 (talk) 11:01, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Keep. Easily verified. I added a source. With some formatting, looks ready for mainspace. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep. Although I'm not entirely convinced this would survive as an actual article at Articles for Deletion, the fact remains that this young author has received some critical notice. It's also true that the draft covers events only through late 2015 or early 2016, so who knows what else might be found from a more up-to-date search for sources. In all, I think this is a draft with legitimate possibilities for development. And like SmokeyJoe, I easily found another source that I added to the draft. And there were some more that could have been added. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep Not yet sourced texts are one of the prime purposes of draft space, not need notability be demonstrated for a draft. No valid reason to delete has been suggested. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 05:01, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:NMFD and those above. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:42, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


User:YuanZuan/DebDutta (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wikipedia is not a good place for your resume. Legacypac (talk) 09:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete. Resume with no claim of notability. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Delete. WP is not linked-in. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Yosemite101/Ali Inayat[edit]

User:Yosemite101/Ali Inayat (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Fake Article in Userspace about a university student Legacypac (talk) 09:06, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Delete Drive-by undergraduate's humorous article on himself. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

User:Yellowape films/Wayne daniells[edit]

User:Yellowape films/Wayne daniells (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Linkbuilder spam page. Legacypac (talk) 08:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


User:Digi-Buzz/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

draft article in sandbox of user indeffed 6 months ago for spam. It's an unsourced bio of someone that does not appear notable. His acting career consists of one line in one film and a role as a pizza delivery boy in another. His career as a producer is a claim that he will be producing an upcoming film that has not been cast yet. There is an unsourced claim that for one film he wrote the script, and wrote the dialogue, and directed. I have no objection is someone thinks he is notable and wants to pick this up, but after 6 months in a indeffed user's sandbox it seems unlikely. Meters (talk) 07:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Portal:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant/Things you can do[edit]

Portal:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant/Things you can do (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I blanked this page in December 2015 to get rid of irrelevent content. No one has bothered to put anything on it since suggesting this subpage is completely unnecessary. What would you properly put on a things to do page for a terrorist organization exactly? Legacypac (talk) 07:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

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