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Administrator instructions

Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.

Information on the process[edit]

What may be nominated for deletion here:

  • Pages in these namespaces: Book:, Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, Education Program:, Topic:, Gadget:, Gadget definition:, and the various Talk: namespaces
  • Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
  • Files in the File namespace that have a local description page but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue)
  • Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion[edit]

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace
  • If you want to have your own personal userpage deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with {{db-userreq}}. If you wish your user talk page (or user talk page archives) to be deleted, this is the correct location to request that.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace
  • Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk page with a personal note or by adding {{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~  to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using {{db-userreq}}.
  • Take care not to bite newcomers - sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer to WP:UP would be best first.
  • Problematic userspace material is often addressed by the User pages guidelines including in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine indexing. (Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc) If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion.
  • User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established users usually do not qualify for deletion.
  • Articles that were recently deleted at AfD and then moved to userspace are generally not deleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies on Biographies of living persons that applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages
  • Established pages and their sub-pages should not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considered disruptive, and the ensuing discussions closed early. This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as {{historical}} or redirecting it somewhere.
  • Proposals still under discussion generally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal, discuss it on the policy page's discussion page. Consider being bold and improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful to retain it as a historical record, for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages
  • It is generally preferable that inactive WikiProjects not be deleted, but instead be marked as {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable.
  • WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page should not be tagged as {{historical}}; reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consider userfication.
  • Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion
  • Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools, such as merging the page into another page or renaming it, can often resolve problems.
  • Pages in the wrong namespace (e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply be moved and then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD
  • Speedy deletion If the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user" speedy deletion criterion, tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.
  • Proposed deletion is an option for non-controversial deletions of books (in both User: and Book: namespaces).

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit]

How to list pages for deletion[edit]

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check that you are in the right area. Then follow these instructions:

Click to view instructions on listing pages for deletion

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted)

Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.

I.
Edit PageName:

Enter the following text at the top of the page you are listing for deletion:

{{mfd}}
for a second or subsequent nomination use {{mfdx|2nd|{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
If the nomination is for a userbox, please put <noinclude></noinclude> tags around the {{mfd}}, as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox.

or

{{mfd|GroupName}}
if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name as GroupName and use it on each page.

or

{{subst:md1-inline|{{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}}
if you are nominating a userbox in userspace or similarly transcluded page.
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase
    Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replace PageName with the name of the page that is up for deletion.
  • Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit.
  • Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone.
  • Save the page
II.
Create its MfD subpage.

The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry"

  • Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page.
  • Insert this text:
{{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~
replacing Reason... with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Do not substitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically.
  • Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate.
  • Please use an edit summary such as
    Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
III.
Add a line to MfD.

Follow   this edit link   and add a line to the top of the list:

{{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}}
Put the page's name in place of "PageName".
  • Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like
    Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]
    replacing PageName with the name of the page you are proposing for deletion.
  • Save the page.
  • If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add
{{priorxfd|PageName}}
in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as
Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions.
  • If nominating a page from someone else's userspace, notify them on their main talk page.
    For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in the page history or talk page of the page and/or use TDS' Article Contribution Counter or Wikipedia Page History Statistics. For your convenience, you may add

    {{subst:MFDWarning|PageName}} ~~~~

    to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacing PageName with the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as

    Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]]

    replacing PageName with the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion.
  • If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages.
  • If you are nominating a Portal, please make a note of your nomination here and consider using the portal guidelines in your nomination.
  • If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions[edit]

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be found here.

Current discussions[edit]

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

September 20, 2018[edit]

September 19, 2018[edit]

Draft:Mohammed Isaq[edit]

Draft:Mohammed Isaq (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Was going to CSD it, but not sure what to CSD it as.. anywho, obvi not going anywhere. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 18:38, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete - Blatant hoax, ad or both?Face-smile.svgPaleoNeonate – 21:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Hedgewars[edit]

Draft:Hedgewars (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Despite having more sources than the April 2018 version, this is still not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. There are too many download links and too many unreliable sources for this to ever be accepted as an article. A major editor, Shaddim, was blocked. Hedgewars was also deleted many times. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete – don't see any reason to keep this around. Bradv 02:37, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Gujarat Ka Raja[edit]

Draft:Gujarat Ka Raja (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

These are just the romanized(?) lyrics for a version of Sukhakarta Dukhaharta [1] There is no need to draft this or put it in mainspace. This could be created as a redirect to Sukhakarta Dukhaharta Pinging Chrissymad GeneralizationsAreBad from CSD/AFC review AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:The Spoke Van Wheelers Bicycle Club[edit]

Draft:The Spoke Van Wheelers Bicycle Club (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This draft seems to advertise a bicycle club, there are also no references. CoolSkittle (talk) 18:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

September 18, 2018[edit]

Draft:Kingsley[edit]

Draft:Kingsley (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not a draft - more an expression of an opinion. Likely a test Gbawden (talk) 12:27, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Definitely not WP:NPOV. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:33, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete: and not an article draft... —PaleoNeonate – 13:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep - No need to discuss this here (many drafts in similar states exist). G13 adaquately deals with bathwater like this (though it sometimes throws out the baby as well). No objection to a rename without leaving a redirect. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:38, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Steven Zelkowitz[edit]

Draft:Steven Zelkowitz (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Repeatedly submitted article about a non-notable student. Being submitted to MFD in order to facilitate a request to salt. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment - This was originally submitted as "Steven", but I moved it in order to see whether there was any history, and there is. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:E[edit]

Draft:E (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This draft was apparently created by accident, and is a duplicate of Draft:David Currell. We don't need this copy here, because it isn't about E or Epsilon or Echo or the number e, and redirecting it doesn't make sense, and blanking it doesn't make sense. It is just an accident. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:43, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

September 17, 2018[edit]

Draft:Dr. Vincent Ongore[edit]

Draft:Dr. Vincent Ongore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

As another reviewer pointed out this is the user's cv Gbawden (talk) 08:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Kumar Abhijeet Anand[edit]

Draft:Kumar Abhijeet Anand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

WP:COI - I have nominated Draft:Abhijeet Chaudhary for deletion and now this user has put some of their personal information in this draft. It hasn't been submitted for review by the creator but if it is submitted for review, there is a 'zero' chance that this draft will ever get published to the mainspace and it is WP:COI as the user is writing about themselves in this draft. Pkbwcgs (talk) 06:48, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

September 15, 2018[edit]

Draft:Abhijeet Chaudhary[edit]

Draft:Abhijeet Chaudhary (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

In this draft, despite it being declined as blank, if you click the edit tab, there is personal information between the <!-- --!> tags. I think that the user who has created this has hidden information about themselves between <!-- --!> tags. Also, the name of this draft has a link to the username of the creator of this draft. This could a case of WP:COI going on in the draft and I think it needs to be deleted. Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:17, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Unhide the content and redecline the draft with a more appropriate reason. G13 will likely consume this a few months from now. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:41, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nominator. There appears to be a conflict of interest of some sort, with the author hiding an infobox. We don't need to wait six months, and it will be a six-month wait if we unhide the draft, which edits it. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

User:208.108.115.59/Tanner Charette[edit]

User:208.108.115.59/Tanner Charette (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Test edit that has been made by a different user and not the IP address that has been specified in the title. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:12, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Userspace testing, which is exempt from G2, should generally be confined to one's own userspace. Blanking may have sufficed. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete - The author hasn't edited in four years. This, like at least one other item, is just useless cruft. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

User:14.1.210.65/Non human resources organisation meaning[edit]

User:14.1.210.65/Non human resources organisation meaning (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User subpage which hasn't been created by the IP in question. It could have been accidental creation but I am still nominating this for deletion. Pkbwcgs (talk) 15:55, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

User:Jayab314[edit]

User:Jayab314 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Wikipedia is not a webhost for fantasy version of Big Brother Whpq (talk) 15:03, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Some advice to @Jayab314: - I was about to snowy delete this, but unlike most of the times we get these I see you are also making positive contributions to articles and this could possibly be related. I suggest you (1) move User:Jayab314 to User:Jayab314/sandbox and (2) blank out your sandbox when you are not actually using it to test something related to improving these related articles. (Just replace the entire contents with {{user sandbox}}). — xaosflux Talk 15:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Alright I’ll move it to my sandbox, but can you explain to me why I can’t use my user page for whatever I want since it’s a user page and almost no one cares? Jayab314 (talk) 15:45, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
User pages and user space sandboxes are subject to Wikipedia:User pages. In particular, see WP:UP#NOT which specifically states that playing games in user space is out of scope for Wikipedia user space pages. -- Whpq (talk) 15:48, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay...I did it. Sorry it took some time, I was on a trip and wasn't able to access my computer until now. Thanks for talking with me before deleting it because I didn't know sandboxes existed. Jayab314 (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
To be absolutely clear, it is not allowed in your sandbox either. What Xaosflux is suggesting is that you blank your sandbox and use it only for actual testing. -- Whpq (talk) 00:21, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Keep, possibly Speedy Keep, now that the author has blanked the questioned material. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
No he hasn't. He has moved out to User:Jayab314/sandbox --Whpq (talk) 01:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
As noted by Xaosflux, Jayab314 (talk · contribs) has a greater number of edits to mainspace, mostly to Big Brother 20 (U.S.), but also across a range of different topics. He deserves some leeway for that. In August 2018, he made a large number of these notwebhost-like edits on his userpage. Are they for purposes connected to the articles? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
I realize now it probably should've been better to use the sandbox, I was just figuring out how the formating of the voting table worked while keeping it fun...I will clear out my sandbox maybe once per week, maybe even more frequently if necessary. Jayab314 (talk) 19:43, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

September 14, 2018[edit]

Draft:Lincoln Soldati[edit]

Draft:Lincoln Soldati (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Also see, which is the same:

User:Soldatiforcongress/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
(Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Run-of-the-mill political biography by now-blocked political organization. Does not satisfy political notability. If he is elected, a neutral editor will write a BLP. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Old business[edit]

September 12, 2018[edit]

User:SpaceFox99/sandbox[edit]

User:SpaceFox99/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Editor has been blocked for sockpuppetry. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SpaceFox99/Archive. This sandbox is redundant to Draft:Vale Park Primary School. Whpq (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete Vale Park Primary has an article in draftspace, so information isn't being lost (though that will probably be speedy'd as well given that it is an article by a blocked user). Additionally, the user has been blocked, so there is no need for the sandbox.Bkissin (talk) 19:15, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete both this and Draft:Vale Park Primary School as unused attribution hazards, in favour of the much older Vale Park, South Australia. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Verastem Oncology[edit]

Draft:Verastem Oncology (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Paid editor, author of this draft, is now blocked for submitting directly to article space as Verastem Oncology. Little or no likelihood that a neutral draft will be submitted through AFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete. Why bother with this nomination? It could be deleted by WP:G11. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, Anachronist, but I have been told in the past that per bureaucracy (heh) persistently submitted drafts should be dealt with by MfD. Not sure if this draft alone really qualifies, but given the contribution history I was hesitant to delete the draft right away; so I left it to see if another admin thinks it's CSD material. Alex Shih (talk) 16:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
I just came from the thing, and I'm dubious of the G11. Someone bolder than I will probably delete it, but I have my doubts.-- Dlohcierekim (talk)
It seemed pretty clear to me, using unsubstantiated terms such as "novel", "leading", "exclusively" and coming across overall as a company publicity brochure than an encyclopedia article. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:29, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah, there's the rub-- such is amenable to editing, blah, blah. There are earlier versions that I won't bother looking through.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:31, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. it just needs minor adjustment--it is not particularly promotional. Drafts are in draft space so such issues can be fixed. I declined the speedy. DGG ( talk ) 16:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
    Fruit of the poisioned tree. Hasteur (talk) 21:58, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete Taken with the paid editor status of the author (and primary editor) the overlap with copyrighted content [2] is enough for me to believe that WP:TNT is the best outcome for Wikipedia. Hasteur (talk) 21:58, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete-Per Hasteur and that it's non-notable.WBGconverse 08:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep per DGG. I did some very minor work on it, though it likely still needs a lot more. Notability is not a concern here per WP:NMFD — Godsy (TALKCONT) 14:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Actually, a draft can be deleted if it is hopelessly not going to meet notability. per WP:NMFD -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Only after being "repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement." This draft has been submitted only once and not yet declined. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 17:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Good point. Perhaps they tagged for CSD in lieu of declining. You'd think that would be the first step.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:48, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

September 11, 2018[edit]

Draft:Pranic healing[edit]

Draft:Pranic healing (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Pseudo-science about alternative medicine, being presented as accepted. Unverified claims made about effectiveness with respect to clinical depression, COPD, and agriculture.

Articles on Pranic healing have been repeatedly created and deleted. Recommend salting in both draft and article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree with you: promotion for fringe energy medicine that was repeatedly attempted under various names, including: Pranic healing, Arhatic yoga, Choa Kok Sui, Master Choa Kok Sui. —PaleoNeonate – 06:18, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

September 9, 2018[edit]

Draft:Gul Khan[edit]

Draft:Gul Khan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Non-notable offensive neologism. Literally it means "flower chief" but is used mainly as hate speech. No possibility of improvement to a sufficient standard to be published. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 10:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Weak Delete - I will take the word of the nominator that it is considered offensive. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:NMFD and WP:NOTCENSORED. This may not be suitable for a standalone article but might be suitable for merger somewhere if properly developed. If nothing comes of it, then the iron fist of G13 will likely smash it into oblivion shortly. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 16:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

August 26, 2018[edit]

Draft:Coalition For A Prosperous America[edit]

Draft:Coalition For A Prosperous America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This draft does not make a credible claim of significance. It reflects only the foundation's own position and says nothing about what independent sources have said. The draft is promotional, but G11 was declined. The admin said to consider moving to mainspace or to try MFD. It definitely isn't suitable for mainspace, and I disapprove of the idea of moving anything from draft space to mainspace for AFD. So we can go for MFD.

If anyone wants to establish notability in the next seven days, they are welcome to do so. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:45, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Not suitable for mainspace, and mainspacing so as to list at AfD is disruption.
I concur with the G11-decline per my line between
[A] "commercial" and "for-profit" promotion, and
[B] "non-profit" socially motivated organisational promotion,
where a a careful source analysis (of the top 3 references if lots are supplied) reveals the sources are not independent (especially including covert advertising), or not reliable, or not secondary source, and promotional not scholarly, and entirely unsuitable for basing an article on.
For this draft, the source analysis finds it unworthy, and thus deleteable per WP:TNT, if not straight G11.
I note that some have disagreed with me on excluding [B] from G11, but I consider the discussion unfinished.
I think there is some chance that this topic could be subject to suitable sources, maybe given more time, and that the existing content could one day see mainspace. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:13, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand what User:SmokeyJoe has written. First, I do not fully agree with the A/B distinction, because sometimes "non-profit" promotion can be just as blatant as profit-making promotion. I can see that the admin may have made such a distinction, which may be why they declined the G11. I have nominated many non-profits for G11, and most of them have been deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand whether SmokeyJoe is saying to Keep or to Delete. It appears to be mostly an argument for Delete, but is hedged in such a way that I don't know. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
I think that the non-deleting admin's comment was bizarre, because I find the idea of moving something to mainspace in order to delete it just plain wrong and offensive. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
So what is User:SmokeyJoe saying? Do they want to delete the draft, or to adopt it, or to preserve it in the hope that someone will rescue it, or what? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
You understand well enough. I am hedging. It probably should be deleted, but there is a chance it could be notable. I'd like to read what others say. The one concrete thing I did say was that I agree with the G11 decline, while noting that others might reasonably support it. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • This organisation seems to have been created almost two weeks ago, and has pushed its agenda, getting published in some media since then. I am not finding any commentary on the organisation. I see that some mentions have been introduced into some mainspace articles. These should be investigated. It is promotion. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:42, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
"Coalition for a Prosperous America" was added to American Corn Growers Association 16:39, 8 January 2010 by 67.135.147.29 (talk · contribs). So, it is a years old organisation. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Their website includes old stories as old as October 25, 2016 (http://www.prosperousamerica.org/rational_nationalism). They look like a 1-4 person band of a lobby organisation, they do paid speaking, they claim to represent an awful lot of american producers, and they claim credit for a lot of political decisions. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:00, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/ian-fletcher Here, https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2011/09/01/in-response-to-ian-fletcher/#23f8bc781637 is some commentary on one of their staff. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • It's an advocacy organization of unclear influence and unclear reputation. It's name is dropped in authorship of articles. I can find no sign of evidence that they meet WP:ORG. As an overtly political organisation, I think Wikipedia needs to take care not to be seen as censoring political opinion. I would prefer to see it tagged as "rejected" due to being not WP:Notable. It is possible that independent reliable secondary sources exist, but I can't find any. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • The site lists 16 people on the board of directors, 4 staff, and 7 on the advisory board (http://www.prosperousamerica.org/who_we_are), so it's more than 1-4 people. Based on their actions and articles, it is clearly a political advocacy and lobbying group.Nosecohn (talk) 05:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Sure, I found them too on the organisation's website. I can not find most of them independently sourced as associated with he organisation. I definitely cannot find reviews of the organisation. I can only find a few mere mentions, not counting the organisations own articles. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Athaenara: It seems odd to say moving this "to article space may be appropriate, or try [a] miscellany for deletion discussion." Something suitable for the mainspace is not a good candidate for MfD, and vice versa. I am curious about your line of thinking on the matter. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 13:40, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
@Athaenara: Perhaps you meant something like "I think this subject may be suitable for the mainspace. If you do not, then feel free to take this to MfD"? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 13:43, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

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