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How to make a new article

how can i make a new article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Munnambbs (talkcontribs) 22:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article. Search to check whether an article on your subject already exists, and look at Wikipedia:Notability to see whether your subject is notable enough to warrant an encyclopaedia entry. You may find it easier to edit existing articles before attempting to create a new one. I'll drop some useful links on your talk page to help you get started. And please remember to sign your comments on talk pages - but not in articles - by typing four tildes, like this ~~~~. Best wishes. --Karenjc 22:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

How do I submit an article or a bio?

How do I submit an article or a bio? Ransommiller (talk) 22:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
And if the person is not notable for WP purposes, you can always post bios at wikibios or wikipopuli. – ukexpat (talk) 14:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Finding fathers service record

Sir, I would like to know more about my fathers service in the AirForce.He loved it and his family and even tho we lived on base most times he never spoke about any missions war or the product.He loved our country and never spoke poorly about any decesions the President made.He always told me you follow our Commander in Chief and give it your all for all.He retired in the late 60's or early 70's.His name was Col R.L.Demick.Any help would be appreciated.Drdemdormon (talk) 21:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I doubt wikipedia can help you with this. You should contact the USAF. In the United Kingdom service records are usually provided for next of kin to dead persons. I'm not sure what is done in the USA. You could also try asking this at the WP:RD but my personal advice would be to contact the USAF. Cheers, Nk.sheridan   Talk 22:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit vanished


I edited a page last night and linked to two images hosted on imageshack. There was nothing wrong with the text I put on the page and the pictures were to support the edit I posted.

Could someone please tell me why my edit has since disappeared off wiki?

the page in question is: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andybno1 (talkcontribs) 07:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Andybno1. Your edit was removed here by a bot which removes external links from articles. If you want to add pictures to an article, you should read Wikipedia:Uploading images, check if your images meet the image use policy, and then upload them using Special:Upload - rather than linked to an external site from the middle of the article. Hope that helps - if you have any more questions feel free to ask them here or on my talk page. Good luck! Olaf Davis | Talk 08:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Please note that you will not be able to upload images until your account is four days old and you have made 10 edits. - tholly --Turnip-- 17:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Separation of church and state

As the author of "The Decimation of America by Its Own Hand" and "Now! to the TruthSeekers" for the first time after hearing stories related to wikipedia I decided to provide input related to the separation of church and state, which I did. However, the factual historial evidence presented therein along with other indepth research conducted I find wikipedia more of a deciding Manipulative Propaganda tool intent on publishing not factual material/evidence and therefore request that you do not publish any portion[s] of my material, in any manner whatsoever. Additionally, you are hereby authorized to remove my email address, user id and password from your system. The stories and comments heard have been validated by wikipedia and it is a shame that truth cannot be printed while distortions are acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlh1rrisr (talkcontribs) 17:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia cannot accept any contributions from copyrighted material, because everything has to be licensable under the GFDL, so if anything from one of your published works is incorporated in an article at any time you are entitled to remove it or request that it be removed. Your username and past contributions cannot be deleted, because under the terms of GFDL there must be a record of all contributors, but you can request the right to vanish, which you may decide to do. The material forming your single contribution so far to articlespace was licensed by you under the GFDL when you published it here, and now forms part of the encyclopaedia along with all other contributions, past and present.
I'm sorry you feel, on the basis of a single reverted edit, that Wikipedia is not a place where you can contribute constructively. However, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a place to publish personal essays, and any material added must be verifiable and sourced. Your edit was unencyclopaedic in tone, did not reflect a neutral point of view, and contained no sources other than your own books. It is not a good idea to cite only your own published material as sources, because there is a potential conflict of interest. Credible third-party sources are preferable.
Your edit was not reverted by "Wikipedia", but by another editor just like you. You could discuss your contributions with that editor on his talk page, or more generally at Talk:Separation of church and state, to try to reach consensus on the best wording to produce a neutral, factual, verifiable article. Best wishes --Karenjc 19:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Fireball Run Rally Article Submission

Recently we submitted a factual article about the Fireball Run Road Rally. The event is one of the largest rallies in America which gets major media coverage.... our story disappeared. Why? Fireballrun (talk) 19:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. The article was deleted by AngelOfSadness (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) after being tagged for speedy deletion as blatant advertising. If you feel the article was not advertising, you may want to consider a deletion review, but please be cognizant of our conflict of interest guidelines. Thanks. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Examples of the subject


Why is it advised in some articles not to add more examples on the subject main page?

For example, there is a article called "knock knock jokes" and there were lots of examples, but now there are a couple of links to some pages outside of Wikipedia.

Thanks Kensai (talk) 11:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Usually because of WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE, WP:LIST and WP:SUMMARY. In keeping with trying to build an encyclopedia, articles need to be written succinctly and in prose format (when applicable). Simply listing more and more examples on a subject leads to unnecessary clutter. Wisdom89 (T / C) 17:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the info. (talk) 08:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

How do i add a page about myself for the public to see

Im new to wikipedia and i want to add a page about me and im having trouble could somone help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TboneOfAddo (talkcontribs) 01:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tbone, you can do that on your userpage. It's a good way to let other editors know a little bit about you. Welcome, have fun. --Bongwarrior (talk) 02:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
And you can post bios at wikibios and wikipopuli. – ukexpat (talk) 17:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Denise Palomino

denise palomino is a jamaican writer with two collections of poetry to her credit, the frist publication entitled "MONTHS AND YEARS" and the second is"COMPONENTS OF LIFE" —Preceding unsigned comment added by D-palomino (talkcontribs) 13:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

This is a page where new contributors can ask questions about using and navigating around Wikipedia. Do you have a question? If you want to start an article about Ms Palomino, please see Wikipedia: Your first article. Regards, --Karenjc 18:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
And having just noticed your signature, you should also read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest before you start the article. --Karenjc 18:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Help with Wikipedia entry

I just logged onto the page ( which I created for the only three-day jazz festival on Cape Cod, MA and found the following:

0 This article is orphaned as few or no other articles link to it.

0 This article or section needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications.

o This article or section needs to be wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards.

0 This article lacks information on the notability of the subject matter.

I am having trouble understanding what I need to do?


(*email deleted*) (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

First, thanks for your article. In each of those tags there are blue words that if you click on them they will take you to pages with additional information. The first thing would be to look at WP:N and see what is required to make sure the topic is notable, if the subject is not it will be deleted. Other editors will help also. PLease also take a look at WP:COI. GtstrickyTalk or C 18:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Reporting Vandalism

I just undid an edit made by in Photography because it appears to be an act of Vandalism. In checking other edits made from this IP Address, many appear to have been reversed. I am new on Wikipida, so would someone please review me action? All of the activity from needs to be reviewed. Is there a better way to report Vandalism? Michael Ronayne (talk) 16:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

You did exactly the right thing. A warning on the talk page of the vandal would also be appropriate but as this is an IP it would probably be ignored. I added one anyway. – ukexpat (talk) 17:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Also take a look at WP:VAN for lots of info on vandalism and what to do. GtstrickyTalk or C 17:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Numerous acts of active vandalism is reported at WP:AIV. Wisdom89 (T / C) 18:23, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:NPOV – who care and assess

Please advice who care about WP:NPOV – WP:UNDUE

  • Minority views can receive attention on pages specifically devoted to them—Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. But on such pages, though a view may be spelled out in great detail, the article should make appropriate reference to the majority viewpoint wherever relevant, and must not reflect an attempt to rewrite majority-view content strictly from the perspective of the minority view.

In terms of WP:REDFLAG policy regarding history How monority/majority gets? Based on sole person records in CV or based on number of historians which involved and the level of institution in which they currently has a post (not affilation). ThanksJo0doe (talk) 06:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not 100% certain I understand your question - are you asking how many historians have to endorse a view, and how respected their institutions must be, before the view becomes 'mainstream'? If so, I'm not sure I can give an answer in general terms - do you have a specific historical view in mind? A concrete example might be easier to discuss. Of course, someone else may feel able to give you a general answer. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

About project management

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. (talk) 11:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- Natalya 11:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Proper? Would someone write submit a page about FLOATOGRAPH TECHNOLOGIES?

Is it improper to ask someone to write an unbiased entry about my company Floatograph Technologies? Contact me if you're interested in doing so via my website. If improper, forget I asked! thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, having a third party write about your company would be the preferred method as it would circumvent a potential conflict of interest. Wisdom89 (T / C) 05:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requested_articles is the correct place to put a request for this, but it may be a long time before someone gets around to writing it. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:41, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I am able and willing to write an article from a third party POV for your corporation, Floatograph Technologies. However,you must provide evidence that you are able to provide me with citations as per Wikipedia:Reliable sources, at least three references, and an explanation of why your company meets the Wikipedia:Notability guidelines. I am somewhat busy, so it is entirely possible that this may take me a week or so.

BrianKnez (talk) 02:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I keep getting an edit deleted

I received a message: 'your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Whitley Bay, seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes. Wikipedia does not allow advertising in articles'

I simply linked to a website which provides an online directory of every facility, from leisure to businesses to walks and much more, it is a town guide and not for advertising purposes. The link below this entry is also for an online directory but is at least two years out of date. The website I linked to is a voluntary website put together for no charge by members of the Chamber of Trade who are unpaid, our aim was to make an online version of a guide book to assist both visitors and residents.

If you remove this link then there will not be an up-to-date guide to all services available in town and I think this is important. I for one use Wiki whilst researching places I will visit and sites such as the one I am linking to are invaluable.

Please re-consider and let me know the outcome.

ClinIrwin (talk) 14:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Most likely because it's published by the local Department of Trade and most likely has commercial links or content. MikP (WHAT???) 17:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
You might be better off raising your points on the talk page of the article in question, where it's more likely to be seen by whoever removed the material in the first place. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Question from a newcomer

Hello, I recently made a minor edit without realizing I was not logged in, and now the history section of a particular page shows the IP address instead of my screen name. Is it safe for this number to be publicly visible, and in any case, is there a way for me to replace it with my screen name? Thank you in advance for your help. Bailarin85 (talk) 16:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

You'll be fine. Most can only access who is your internet provider but not the individual user. MikP (WHAT???) 16:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
And no, an IP edit cannot be reassigned to an account. Edits can be deleted in crtain cases but that is unlikely to be done here. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

problem with my user page

Hello I've created a new article on the writer Susan Sellers, but did something wrong and have actually ended up turning my own userpage into the article itself. This was not intended! If possible, I would like to reclaim my userpage, but I do want to leave the new article on Susan Sellers intact too, of course. ANy help much appreciated.

Abigail fisher (talk) 22:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I have removed [1] the redirect which was created on your user page when you moved it to an article. See Wikipedia:Redirect#Navigating redirects for how to go to a redirecting page instead of the target of the redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I did some initial wikification. Needs more details. – ukexpat (talk) 01:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I've replaced the sentence that was on your user page before you created that article.--BelovedFreak 14:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Help with First Article - JAN ROSTWOROWSKI (1919 – 75 )

I helped a friend post an article written in Polish entitled JAN ROSTWOROWSKI (1919 – 75 ) in the Polish section of Wikipedia. Unfortunately as all the instructions were in Polish, we may have missed something, please can someone help me either find the article, or how it can be posted properly. Many thanks Larchg (talk) 10:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

pl:Jan Rostworowski has only been edited in 2007. Is that it? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

No... hmmm, obviously we didn't fill everything in properly - should I start again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Larchg (talkcontribs) 11:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Given that there is already an article there (pl:Jan Rostworowski) you'd have to amend that one rather than add another one about the same person. Why don't you write an article on him for the English Wikipedia (Jan Rostworowski)? And if you don't speak Polish, how do you know what the article you're trying to post says? By the way, Category:User pl contains users on this Wikipedia that speak Polish and pl:Kategoria:User en contains users on the Polish Wikipedia who speak English, someone in there may be able to help. It's probably best to concentrate on writing articles in languages you know though! --BelovedFreak 14:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advise Belovedfreak. The article was written in Polish by my Polish friend and I was just trying to help her get it published =- we will look at adding her article to the one already there. Larchg (talk) 15:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Kathy Kirby

Hello, I have tried unsuccessfully a number of times to provide an link to Miss Kirby's new official website, of which she has signed a contract approving the same I would so appreciate it if it could be added to her page. Thank you so much Exclusively7 (talk) 18:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Between us Belovedfreak and I have fixed the external links. – ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I'm not 100% satisfied because the previous site also claimed to be "official". How do we know which one really is? I left a message at Wikipedia talk:External links‎ hoping for some input.--BelovedFreak 19:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oil Bonds

Oil Bonds are issued by Government of India in lieu of the payment due from them to the government onwed oil companies. Normally the oil is sold at subsidy to the public. In other words government undertakes to pay a portion of the cost on behalf of the public. However, the government is not cash rich to make such a huge payment upfront. Hence, it issues "Oil Bonds" to the companies in lieu of cash. Oil Bonds are issued with varying maturity periods and has a coupon rate associated with it. So, in real terms Oil Bonds are debts in government's balance sheet.

Oil Bonds can be traded in the secondary market which enables the oil companies owning the bonds to sell them off to the public/bank to raise cash. Government is proposing to include the oil bonds in the Bank's SLR investments. This would make the bonds more liquid and have more buyers for the bonds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Visrinivas (talkcontribs) 04:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I'm not sure if you have a question; this is a page where you can ask questions and get help. If you want to start an article, have a read of Wikipedia:Your first article. --BelovedFreak 11:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Images removed

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. Atmjnr (talk) 08:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey! its appears that you have deleted pics from my wiki page..... i dont understand why..... you say its copyrighted images.... but the pictures are of me and my college tutor took the pictures.... hows this copyrighted? Atmjnr (talk) 08:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Not an Administrator but, say, Image:JNR live 2007.JPG was deleted under "CSD I4: Image lacking sources or licensing information for more than seven days". My guess is that you didn't put any information down.
And yes, the images are copyrighted. Your college tutor holds the copyrights as the photographer. If he/she is willing to release it under a license suitable for Wikipedia, then it can be used. See Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright. x42bn6 Talk Mess 08:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Article moved from personal sandbox

I created a new article 'BCM Classification' in my personal sandbox and moved it out into the main encyclopedia once completed. The sandbox now shows a copy, or is it an alias of the page? Can I delete the Sandbox version without affecting the moved article? Please send reply to my talk page.


Hostkvall (talk) 12:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Answered on talk as requested. Algebraist 12:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

creating new page

How can I create a new wiki entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherman41 (talkcontribs) 14:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:YFA.  – ukexpat (talk) 14:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the references?

I just made some changes to "Orval Hobart Mowrer" and now, on the page, the references no longer show up. What did I do? Thanks. Rose bartram (talk) 17:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)Rose Bartram

You left a <ref> tag unclosed. Already fixed. Algebraist 17:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I checked the article and you were missing a </ref> tag . This tag closes the reference. When the closing tag is missing, it treats everything after the <ref> tag as a reference. I also added a {{reflist}} so that the references display at the bottom. I hope this helps! TNX-Man 17:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Blue Box on Right of Article, Concise Information

Hi, I am in the process of writing an article on an established nonprofit that didn't happen to already have an article. Formatting the body of the article is going well, but how do I get that nice blue box that appears on the right-hand side of most articles that can have the address, a picture, employees, and other bits and pieces of information?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecologic (talkcontribs) 20:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

That's an Infobox, see WP:Infobox. For a non-profit, you would use the template described here: Template:Infobox Non-profit. – ukexpat (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

How do I add a contribution?

how do i add a contribution? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Here is a good Welcome to Wikipedia, and once you're past that, Wikipedia:How to edit a page discusses how to contribute. -- Natalya 00:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
And of course, your first article. – ukexpat (talk) 01:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Exhausted... Need Help

I created my first article about two weeks ago and don't recall how to check back to see if it was accepted. Is there a link to do that? Does it take much more time than just two weeks? If so, is there a way to find out how long? If I do not see the article by now does this mean it was rejected? If so is there a place to go to find out why? Is there a place that answers the above questions? I have spent much time pouring through the faqs, help-desks and several other areas and have not found anything specifically addressing these basic questions. Thank you. (talk) 03:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The first thing I think we'd need to know is where you "created" your article. Only logged-in users are able to create new pages, which is an instantaneous process. However, as an "anonymous" user, you wouldn't have been able to create the page through the usual process, so my best guess is that you posted the text of an article somewhere, and the challenge is to work out where that might be. Under your current IP address there is only one contribution - this one - so we're going to need more information as to where you may have posted your text, and what was in that text. My main guesses are that you posted it to:
The first one is where people are advised to do this kind of thing, but the other options are very common mistakes. If you can say where you posted the article text, and give us an idea what was in it (the subject of the article, at the very least), it should be much easier to track down your contribution and work out what happened to it.
On a more general note, then assuming you correctly posted to Articles for creation, then your article should appear in an archive. Submissions that are obviously not suitable (a quick guideline of that can be found at WP:WWMPD) will be rejected very quickly, while those that at first glance look like they might warrant an article may take a little longer, although I know that a few months ago there was a drive to clear up the massive backlog that used to exist (on the order of years due to previous inefficient processing and archiving), but I haven't checked back recently to see how things are going now. If you posted to one of the inappropriate places I suggested, then chances are it was either archived or otherwise cleared and so will require some history digging to find. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Can I write an article about my Firefox add-on?

I have created a free add-on for Firefox that automatically inserts HTML signatures for each email address you have set up in your account. I would like to create an article about it, but want to avoid coming across as a link page or spammer. I feel like it would be a useful addition, as many people use it and love it (1,000 downloads a week or so). There may also be a good place to reference this add-on instead of creating it's own article.

Here is the add-on for your review: Blank Canvas Gmail Signatures

Please advise.


Jerome Dane (talk) 20:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jerome, thanks for posting here and for wanting to help the community. There are a couple of problems I see with the idea, though. First, it sounds like it might be difficult to demonstrate notability, which is necessary for any article. You can read or skim through that page if you like, but it basically means that there must be coverage of it in non-trivial, reliable secondary sources. A more specific guideline is Wikipedia:Notability (web), which says that content should ideally be of historical significance as well. The Criteria section of that page lists qualities that make web content notable, though I don't believe your program qualifies there. Also, I wanted to mention that since you created the extension, there is almost by definition a conflict of interest here--you definitely seem to have the best intentions, but the idea with this policy is that if a topic is notable enough, someone else would create it. So I'm sorry, but based on these policies, unless you can demonstrate notability and maintain a neutral point of view, I don't think it qualifies for an article on Wikipedia. I do, however, encourage you to edit and create other articles.  :) —Pie4all88 (talk) 21:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your detailed response. I had a feeling that the reasons you mentioned above applied, but I wanted to check them out with an expert first. I will simply focus on other things here at wikipedia. Again, thanks for taking the time. Jerome Dane (talk) 21:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Wikipedia is a big place with quite a bit of policy when it comes to creating new pages. See you around the 'pedia! —Pie4all88 (talk) 14:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

How do i question a statement?

Hello! I am new to Wiki. If someone is saying that something is a fact then they should have proof to back this up. How do I question them? How do I make it known to them that I would like to see the proof for their "fact"? Thank you! AlexanderRoecop (talk) 11:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You could post on the Talk Page of the article where you are questioning the fact, or, if you know that the information was only added by one editor, you could post it on the user's own talk page. -- Natalya 11:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
"Proof" is a very elusive state. But in general, Wikipedia articles are supposed to have references and to be verifiable. If not, you can use the [citation needed] template to request sourcea. However, make sure that you have read all of the article and the available sources. The lede is supposed to be a summary of the article, and often without references (the references should be in the main body then). A friendly request on talk (as suggested by Natalya) if often perceived as more polite than a simple tagging. In any case, it is a good idea to explain what you think is unsupported, and why you think so. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

can't find my new page in search

I just created a page -- Houlihan Smith & Company, Inc. -- and I cannot find it in the search engine, even if I type in the case-sensitive full name. Is there a process for new pages to "go live"? When will I be able to find it in the search engine? Thanks. Houlihansmith (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It's at Houlihan Smith & Company, Inc.. A few of points though: (1) I am going to move it to Houlihan Smith & Company to comply with WP naming conventions. (2) I strongly advise you to change your user name -- as it stands now you are using a user name that would be deemed as promotional and you will probably be blocked from editing. (3) The tone of the article is, IMHO, promotional and it is in danger of being tagged for speedy deletion as such. Please take a look at WP:CORP and WP:SPAM. For the moment I will tag it with article issues tags.  – ukexpat (talk) 17:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
One point I overlooked -- from a quick perusal of the references you have listed, I don't think they are reliable sources for Wikipedia purposes. You may want to consider rewriting the article as a subpage of your user page. You can work on it there without risk of it being deleted. Let me know if you need help with that. – ukexpat (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Toilet - slang use of the word BOG

Hello.I think i know where the use of the word Bog as in 'going to the bog' meaning to go to the toilet may originate from.How do I add it to the Toilet page please,Thanks. Alandmunn Alandmunn (talk) 21:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Just click the edit link at the top of the article page and add it in an appropriate place in the article. However, you will need a reliable source to support your edit. Unsourced statements and original research are not permitted and will be reverted. – ukexpat (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

advertising? what advertising?

please help me understand why fred flare was erased? there was no advertising? please help! thanksFred flare (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It was seen that the article you wrote about Fred Flare was considered advertising, not encyclopedic content. Wikipedia:Spam talks about Wikipedia's stance on advertising. You might also take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to see the critera for the inclusion of companies on Wikipedia. I hope that helps, -- Natalya 19:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
You should also consider changing your user name, lest it be considered promotional. – ukexpat (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I see that my suggestion has fallen on deaf ears so I have reported username to WP:UAA. – ukexpat (talk) 16:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Maria Ann Fitzherbert and King George IV

I have a copy of the information on the "Family Pact-With Appended Patent" Re: The son of Maria Ann Fitzherbert and King George 4.

"If - in A.D. 1812, he or his elder son James, of his sons first male heir, then living, shall give notice to the crown, that such sum or its equivalent in United States money is preferred to the hereunto appended peerage, subject to the following provisions:

First - That the said James Henry Adolf (styled Hayward) shall within one year from the date of this pact, with his wife and children, quietly remove to Americas, and refrain from appearing again in London, or in any part of Western Europe, until A.D. 1912, unless recalled by Parliment.

It goes on with a Second and another paragraph regarding provisions that were set and was given "in consideration of the aforementioned covenants of the crown and prospective succession.

I do not have the original but it was Whitness to His Majesty's signature Henry Brogham-Chancellor Charles Grey, E. of H. And it goes on with many names including Alexandrina - Princess and finally Maria Ann Fitzherbert and James H. A. Hayward.

Then a family tree is attached up until my former Husband is named as a child to one of the ancestors and now my son is intitled to be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Claudiadw (talkcontribs) 06:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this about a Wikipedia article and do you have a question? Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Image deleter

I received a notice from an editor that an image I used in Mink Stole might not be fair use. It said that I had a 7 days to justify it, so I put the "disputed" tag on the image yesterday until I can get better certs, and I detailed the description and rationale. Now, today,(only after ONE day, this editor User:Rettetast deleted it without even addressing it before or reading the dispute tag which has been there less than 24 hrs, saying only "invalid". The image File:Mink Stole actress is a low res filmshot from an earlier film she was in and there are no free images available to assist the article and provide visual reference. Is that not fair use? I thought we were supposed to help each other.MikP (wots all this, then?) 19:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Non-free images like screenshots don't qualify for fair use when being used to illustrate the article of a living person, as in the Mink Stole article. I'll have a look for the exact policy to back that up, but that's basically the reason it was deleted. --BelovedFreak 20:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, here we go: Wikipedia:Non-free content > Unacceptable use > Multimedia #12: "Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image." It is possible that a free image of Mink Stole exists, or could be taken, as a replacement, so a non-free image would not qualify as fair use. It would be ok in the article about that specific film, as long as it was to provide critical commentary. Hope this helps, --BelovedFreak 20:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Table enumeration

I am trying to merge two pages with class=wikitable. But even though the two tables are separate, enumeration is continuous. (See User:Sillyvalley/Sandbox for the result.) This screws up the second table. Is there some way to reset enumeration at the beginning of the second table? Sillyvalley (talk) 01:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Another more appealing layout for my table merge would be to arrange data in a single table, arranged by time sequence but with independent row enumerations because the two time sequences are not identical. My attempt to do this resulted in the !# values be incremented horizontally first, then vertically (visual in Sillyvalley/Sandbox 2). What I wanted is a table with !# values incremented vertically, independent in each row. Sillyvalley (talk) 04:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Guess I was too focused on table. The answer is in Help:List. Both are possible, but has to be entered with to-be-obsolete HTML code. Sillyvalley (talk) 04:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Not quite - Turns out the enumeration in my tables are not provided by list, but automatically by external links. And external links are enumerated continuously in an article. Any idea how to reset that? Sillyvalley (talk) 05:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you can. If you ask over at the technical section of the Village Pump, I am sure you will get a better answer. – ukexpat (talk) 00:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
What is more, Multi-column numbered list is still a simple list and won't provide the desired layout for time sequence merge. Sillyvalley (talk) 05:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Switching contributions from IP address to User Account

I made some updates without noticing that I was not logged in, so they are tagged with my IP address instead of my user account. Is there a way to retroactively change these updates so that they are associated with my user account instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SunnyDSunnyD (talkcontribs) 04:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

No, but you can put a note on your user page, or make a null edit to a page to identify the IP edit(s) as yours. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks. SunnyDSunnyD (talk) 04:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
You mean a dummy edit (i.e. adding an extra space). A null edit, which changes nothing, does not get logged in the history. Algebraist 20:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Free imgs of living people

What is the best way to attempt to obtain a free image of a living person for their article? MikP (wots all this, then?) 20:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Take a picture of them yourself, release it under a free license. The second best is to find someone else who's taken a picture and persuade them to release it freely (if they haven't already). Algebraist 20:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. Garion96 (talk) 20:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Could someone elaborate a little on the "persuade" part of it? I'm not familiar with the procedure or the etiquette involved. MikP (wots all this, then?)

Thanks. I see it now.MikP (wots all this, then?) 20:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

There are some good tips at User:Videmus Omnia/Requesting free content. --BelovedFreak 20:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
That userpage is a great help. MikP (wots all this, then?) 23:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Changing a poorly-thought-out redirect

Is there a way to redirect a poorly though-out redirect so that it does in the other direction? That is, it seems as though an author's casual/informal name (such as Bob Banks) should redirect to his/her byline name (such as Robert B. Banks), not the other way around.

From reading the Help file on redirection, [2], it looks to me as though there is not an easy way to redirect once things have been set up in the wrong direction.

I am asking re a specific page. Cf: Talk:Vonda_McIntyre

Thanks! --Furfish (talk) 23:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

You can request at WP:RM for administrative assistance, or you can tag the redirect for WP:CSD#G6 with {{db-g6}}. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

lost my certificat, what do i do to have new originals

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. (talk) 01:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.. It may also help if you clarify for them what type of certificate you have lost. -- Natalya 02:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Move ubx template?

Can I change the name of a ubx I made with Userbox maker by "moving", like with a page name? MikP (wots all this, then?) 02:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

You can move any page the way described at Help:Moving a page - pages in your userspace, templates, etc. So, if you made a userbox and put it on a page in your userspace, you could move it to a different page in your userspace. I'm not sure if that answers your question though... do say if you need more information. -- Natalya 11:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Properties of Chords of a circle

AB & CD are two parallel chords of a circle such that AB=10 CM, and CD=24cm. If the chords are on the opposit side of a centre and the distance between them is 17CM. Find the radius of the circle.(~'s) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Getmonika (talkcontribs) 06:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the Mathematics section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. -- Natalya 11:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
By the way, to sign at the end of a post you write this: ~~~~ which is what "the following four tildes (~'s)" means! Best, Olaf Davis | Talk 12:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

How do I reverse edits that were undone by someone else?

I am the Executive Director of an organization and there is a page here that was written by someone about us. I am trying to correct the page and some mis-information that appears on the page, plus I'd like to make the page look nicer by using titles, etc, Every time I go in and do the edits, someone (a bot?) comes along and undoes the edits.

How do I get the incorrect information off the page and how do I fix the page to look more like I'd like it to look without someone editing it I copied, actually, the format that I saw on another organizations page - but the last "undo" said I was copying my website (which looks, of course, nothing like a wiki page)

VictoriaWoodhull (talk) 20:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

One thing might be an issue. Your username is contained in your organization's title, which might be considered a Conflict of interest. MikP (wots all this, then?) 20:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah. I will change my user name and try again. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by VictoriaWoodhull (talkcontribs) 20:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

A quick note: that is not advisable. You should consider finding a neutral third-party to edit the article. Especially if you are executive director of the organization. MikP (wots all this, then?) 20:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if it's an issue but the article is being re-edited immediately by a just-signed user, perhaps they did as they said and just changed their username. MikP (wots all this, then?) 21:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Getting Started

Hello - I have read and read and can't figure this out. I am trying to write an article and have seen the sandbox and the tutorials, but i was confused when I saw we should request to submit biographies... I am trying to write one on William A. Bond, an American figure on whom there is little on the internet. (Most of his information is in hard copies of very old reference material.) For example, he was a captain in WWII, he went on a major safari every year after the war and holds world records for some of his hunts. There is a museum that holds 140 full mounts, he had one of the largest private gun and Civil War collections (General Custard's gun to Indian chief headresses!) He also comes from high pedigree, his ancestors were major southern plantation owners etc.

SO i have submitted the request, what is next? i'm going to pull some information from his book, The Bill Bond Chronicles, that he had published privately. Should I start working on it or do I need to wait to hear back from an admin for the green light?

and where exactly do I start typing, it says on my user page, but i am not sure. I hope this isn't annoying to you, just so confused! it seems difficult to navigate. Thanks! 03hawnee (talk) 19:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

See above MikP (WHAT???) 20:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Mike's link takes you to a paragraph full of useful guidance on writing articles, biog and otherwise, which should help you. It's possible your subject may meet notability guidelines if he is mentioned in credible third-party sources, but the best way of finding out is to write your article and see what other editors think. No, you don't need to wait for permission from anyone to submit it, just be bold and go ahead. The best way is to create it on a user subpage. This means it won't be deleted by any over-enthusiastic editor while you're working on it. To create a user subpage for your article, go to your user page and click the edit this page tab. Then type in the line [[User:03hawnee|William A Bond]] and save the page. A redlink will appear on your userpage, and if you click on this you'll be taken to a text box where you can input text and save it to create your page. Then follow the guidelines on WP:Your first article. When it's ready, you can move it into articlespace. If you ensure that you assert Mr Bond's notability and provide good strong citations for your material - printed sources are fine - your article stands a good chance of making it. If you need help, feel free to ask. Good luck. --Karenjc 22:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Karen, THANK YOU!!! Ok so I've created the subpage (which seems like it is the best way to go) - now do I just start typing? Or do I have to follow some special format and insert the symbols etc? I would love so much to just write in paragraphs. Also, where do I list the references (third party sources)? At the bottom of my article? And when I'm finished, then what? Do I submit to someone? (AH I wish I could hire a Wikipedia guru to do all this!) Thanks so much for your time and help. 03hawnee (talk) 19:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Karen made a slight error - the code to add to your user page should have been [[User:03hawnee/William A. Bond]] - I fixed that for you and also created the sub page with the {{User Sandbox}} template. All you have to do now is click on the blue link on your User page, that will take you to the subpage. When you get there, click the edit tab and edit away. Leave the {{User Sandbox}} template in place. Also take a look at your first article for more advice on article construction. – ukexpat (talk) 20:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Can't get a clear info.

I was searching the information about the programming languages used for running a basic web search engines Iam not able to find it with accuracy. Can you help me with this. (talk) 18:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. I suggest saying what exactly your goal is. Do you really want to make your own "basic" (no such thing if it's going to be useful) web search engine? Or do you just want a search box at your website which calls an existing external search engine? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Web search engines can be written in nearly any serious current programming language. I once wrote a simple crawler in AWK. Crawlers are usually limited by network performance, and are heavy on string processing. Therefore high-level languages like Perl*urg* or Python (programming language) are very appropriate. Searching the actual index once build is often limited by CPU. I would assume that most current systems are implemented in C or C++. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Learning the editing process

Sorry, I did read the guide to edit(and have reread them and checked FAQ)and had a go in the tutorial sandbox (rechecked this also) but I am confused to my error. On my first attempt at an edit, when from my point of view I was just roughing out a phrase, to refer to Prof Claw's measurement of pain in fibromyalgia sufferers, which is from a peer reviewed scientific paper I got from pub med, so an conventional academic reference from 2003 - I got 2 watchlists remarks. What concerns me is not as such that they said original research, as I had not put in the references or indeed finished the phrase but that I thought I had yet to submit anything. So the criticism would had been valid if it was a finished and saved edit, but from my point of view I was drafting a sentence, and had yet to reference it. I understood you could press a preview button before saving changes from what I read. I am sure I have made a very simple mistake but what is it? If I am supposed to do this in a usersandbox, I am confused about how I create a sandbox, I understand this is a place to practise editing and and simply unclear how I do this. I did gain the impression that this was for confidence and it was usual to edit a page directly and changed were only seen when saved, is this incorrect? Basically how was a draft phrase readable? I thought it was just seen by myself and had no idea of pressing any keys but alphanumerical ones. Gesells (talk) 00:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Other users cannot see what you preview when you don't save it, and you are allowed to preview anything. Your account has made no other edits than this post and nobody has posted messages to you at the talk page User talk:Gesells for your account. Maybe you were not logged in when you saw the message (people often lose their login during a session). In that case you may have seen a message posted to your IP address. Somebody else may have used the same IP address in the past and the message could be for them. Do you know where you saw the message? You can create a user sandbox by editing User:Gesells/Sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
If at all in doubt as to whether you have posted anything, click on "my contributions" (top right of the page) which shows all the edits you've made in order, most recent edit first. If it's not listed there, it's not happened. PrimeHunter is probably right about the messages you saw being for your IP address. Sometimes many users edit via the same IP address or range of addresses (it depends on your internet provider) and if any of them gets a message - about vandalism, for example - then the other users see it too. If you login this doesn't happen - you only see messages meant for you, and they will appear on your talk page. I'll drop a few useful links there to help you find your way around. Karenjc 18:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Image Usage Confusion

New user here. Rather confused by the maze of image guidelines. Uploaded an image to and received a notification on my talk page with this in it: "If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged."

I obtained the photo through Google Images on a website called No copyright information posted on their website. Should I remove the photo? Or, should I attempt to contact the subject of the photo for permission to use? Sorry all, bear with me. I'll get the hang of this thing yet. --CercareVerita (talk) 03:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not the subject that needs to give permission, it's the copyright holder. You should contact the website controller and ask who holds the copyright for that image. Algebraist 09:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Generally, you can't use photographs of living persons at all that are non-free. Another words, even if you find out who has the copyright to the image, listing the source won't help. Such images must be free, i.e., released into the public domain or licensed under a free license such as the GFDL. As stated in our policy for non-free content: Unacceptable use... Pictures of people still alive, groups still active, and buildings still standing; provided that taking a new free picture as a replacement (which is almost always considered possible) would serve the same encyclopedic purpose as the non-free image. This includes non-free promotional images.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I have found this user's article User:Videmus Omnia/Requesting free content to be of great help. MikP (wots all this, then?) 12:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


I have just posted an article. I can see the footnotes in the text but I cannot see/find the footnotes at the end of the article. Could you please tell me how to find the footnotes and how to edit them once I have found them? Thanks. Joseph Levi Joseph Levi (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

If you use a <ref> tag for you footnotes, simply place {{reflist}} where you want them to be listed, as under a "Notes" or "References" section such as:
== Green Beginner... ==

My article was created but it says at the top "This article or section includes a list of references or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks in-text citations."
The article ( ) includes several references to websites supporting the resume of the individual performer that the article is about, 
what  I don't understand is the statement that the 'sources remain unclear'.  What is unclear about these reference sources?
They 'source' to the reference, no?
The 'In-Text Citations' link took me to quite an involved page that goes on about citations and footnotes and frankly just perplexed me.
Again, I'm green and this is my first article.
I tried to add ref  and then the placed the link in-between and that created a number 1 that didn't drop the article down to the link, which is what I thought it might do.

Man this wiki stuff takes some getting used to.
Is there a 'Wikipedia-article-creation-for-dummies' article out there?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/|]] ([[User talk:|talk]]) 03:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You will get the hang of inline citations with a little practice. See the article [[Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners]] for now. Also, the [[User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar|refTools]] option on the gadgets tab of the preferences section will place a citation button on you edit toolbar. Just fill in the fields, making sure your cursor is where you want the citation before you add it. Make sure you have a section that looks like this: 
== References ==

The list of citations will appear where you place the "reflist" anchor. MikP (wots all this, then?) 04:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
The reason the template says that sources are unclear is because without inline citations, there is no way of telling which source supports which fact in the article. A list of sources at the end of an article is better than nothing, but it's not nearly as good as proper numbered inline citations.
It sounds like you're almost there anyway, if you're managing to embed the citations in the text and ref numbers are being generated. refTools is a bit clunky but very convenient. Once you have enabled it in my preferences/gadgets by checking the box and saving, you can use it to help cite journals, books, websites etc as Mjpresson describes above. Don't feel intimidated by the citation process. All good reference info you can add is useful, and even if the citation is incomplete or not quite correctly formatted, it's a step in the right direction for the article. Karenjc 20:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

"some naive hypothesis at odds with basis of physik ---what wrong with them? " has ony bodi help me by answering ? ````

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== "some naive hypothesis at odds with basis of physik ---what wrong with them? " has ony bodi help me by answering ? ```` ==

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Move an article

Hello. I have written an article in my user page. I think that I am now ready to move it into the "live" Wikipedia for prime time. Could you please tell me how can I move the article in my user page into the "live" Wikipedia? Thanks! Joseph Levi (talk) 18:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You can move an article from your userspace into the article space by using the move function, and moving it to the title that you would like. Note that to move a page, you must be an autoconfirmed user. -- Natalya 19:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Your first article. Copy and paste will work fine. GtstrickyTalk or C 20:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

ben Smith

hi, i want to create a new article for Ben Smith, the politico writer, how do i do this as there are lots of ben smith articles alreay and i dont see how to create another one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cubguy83 (talkcontribs) 00:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

You can create the article about him at a title such as Ben Smith (writer), and then add a link to the article at the disambiguation page Ben Smith. Before creating the article, please do make sure that he is notable by Wikipedia's standards, which can be found at Wikipedia:Notability (people). -- Natalya 00:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
And also take a look at WP:YFA. – ukexpat (talk) 21:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

free legal advice regarding work .single parent

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. (talk) 05:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, could you be a little more specific regarding your question? Also, if the question doesn't have to do with editing or using Wikipedia, you may instead be looking for the reference desk. Apologies for any confusion. Feel free to see our introduction to learn more about Wikipedia. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Also bear in mind that if you're wanting legal advice here, then we can't give it. -- Karenjc 21:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Inserting Infobox Uk

G'day Am a newbie but not afraid to put my hand up, before I stuff up!

Have done a fair bit of reading up on Infobox UK and find am lost and confused.

Sorry folks a real rookie question here but HELP, am sure once I know what am doing it will be a snap.

Am not too proud to say the terminology gets me confused :) So please make it simple, save me asking twice :))

PS: Please leave the answer on my Talk Page Many Thanks in advance Zippomk2 (talk) 12:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Replied on user talk. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

16th July 2008 Additional Info: Am just wanting to add an infobox that shows the map of the UK, location of the place, and the usual geographical and political stuff. Would be good to know where to source all that information from as well Many ThanksZippomk2 (talk) 07:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Different infoboxes can be used for different types of UK places. Is it one of the infoboxes at [3]? Or can you name an article already having the type of infobox you want to use? Or can you name an article you want to use the infobox in, so we can see which infobox is suited. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

G'day PrimeHunter, wiki page is Silverdale Nottingham just want to add the standard UK Infobox with relevant LGA and similiar information. Also a map of the UK, and Nottinghamshire and location dot. Standard stuff I know Prime but am a newbie, just want to get it right, and see how its done. Thanks in advance PrimeHunter Zippomk2 (talk) 11:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Zippomk2, you can use {{infobox UK place}}. There are full instructions on the template page, but if that looks a bit daunting, you can copy and paste from another page and change the relevant details. One you could copy from is Hammersmith. Leave "map type=" blank. Wikipedia:Obtaining geographic coordinates may be of some help, you need to have the coordinates for the map and the dot. Also, if you read Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements, that'll help you with the whole article. Hope that helps, --BelovedFreak 11:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
One final thought - looking at the article Silverdale, Nottingham, I initially thought it was a suburb. Is it a housing estate? If so, it may not meet notability guidelines and may end up being deleted. One way to demonstrate notability is to add references to independent reliable third party sources. The article needs references anyway, to make sure that the information is verifiable. It may be better to add the information to Wilford.--BelovedFreak 11:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Question about correcting a factually incorrect wikipedia site

--Jennifer Rattray (talk) 03:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)I am trying to update a basic wikipedia page created on my grandfather, an Olympic hockey player, as the information that has been supplied is incorrect (birthdate wrong, no death date etc.)

Unfortunately, wikipedia has not accepted my corrections as I am not able to cite them. I have documentation such as his birth certificate with correct birth date and so would like to change the incorrect birth date as well as add additional information.


All information must be cited. You may want to check out Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources, verifiability, and conflicts of interest. The first sentence on WP:Verifiability sums it up well:

"The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true."

Sorry. Paragon12321 (talk) 05:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Birth and death certificates are public records are they not? As government data they can certainly be considered reliable and cited as a source on Wikipedia. Jennifer, drop a note on my talk page if you need help in how to add citations to an article. SpinningSpark 16:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think there can be much doubt that a birth certificate is a reliable source. In this case though I think the issue is how to present the source. If the birth certificate is available online, it's not clear from the relevant parts of the Canadian government website ([4]), how freely usable that content would be. If the birth cert only exists in hard copy, how is that dealt with? Scanned and uploaded to Commons? – ukexpat (talk) 19:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Definitely not Commons, since I presume that like Australia documents produced by the Canadian government would be under Crown copyright, unlike the US whose government releases documents into public domain. But it also doesn't belong on Wikipedia under fair use, since it wouldn't actually be used as an image in the article. It's a bit of a tricky situation, and the only way I can think of is to get the secondary sources (websites, etc.) to correct their facts by referring them to the primary sources (birth certificate, etc.). Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
It is not necessary to upload it at all. Wikipedia does not require sources to be available online. Many would say paper sources are superior to anything online which can disappear or change in the blink of an eye. It is only necessary to cite the document in the article so that other editors know where the information came from and can check it themselves if they wish. An online source saves the checker the trouble of going to the library or government record office (and possibly some money) but this is not any sort of criterion for exclusion from Wikipedia. It must be possible to check the source, not necessarily easy to check the source. Jennifer, go ahead and put your information back in, it is nonsense to suggest that this is not verifiable. SpinningSpark 08:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Uploading images

I would like to replace the logo image in the listing for the Colgate-Palmolive Company.

I seems I don't have the right kind of access for this. How can I do it or can I provide a replacement file to someone else to replace it?


CP Corporate (talk) 12:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

In order to upload an image, you need to be autoconfirmed. For this, you need to have been registered for at least four days, and have made at least ten edits. If the logo you want to use is available on the internet, you can post to Talk:Colgate-Palmolive and request that someone uploads it. Or, you can just wait to become autoconfirmed. Please bear in mind the message I left at your talkpage regarding your username.--BelovedFreak 13:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


i come from Geece and i would like to get in touch with someone who belongs to aldi's administration here in GreeceKaterina morfidou (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:50, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure you wanted Wikipedia? This page is for helping new Wikipedia editors. SpinningSpark 07:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Have you tried the reference desk? They may be able to help you.--BelovedFreak 11:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c) You could try asking this question at the miscellaneous section of the reference desk or, better yet, try the Greek Wikipedia's "Market" (Αγορά) where any subject can be discussed. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Adding information to a list

I would like to add some names to the 'List of Slaves', the edit page looks a bit scary. I don't want to mess it up?--Saioos63 (talk) 10:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry if you break something - all revisions to an article are kept, so it can be undone if anything breaks. If you're not sure though, make a suggestion on the article's talk page by clicking the 'discussion' tab at the top and making a new post there. Someone else familar with the article should be able to add the information for you. Hope this helps. Gazimoff WriteRead 10:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
You can also use the 'Show preview' button just below the edit window to see what the page will look like after your changes and check it's Ok. You might want to read over Wikipedia:Notability too to check that the slaves you want to add meet our guidelines for inclusion. Happy editing! Olaf Davis | Talk 18:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Table placement

Could someone help me to place these tabled userboxes to the right of my page? Feel free to do it. Thanks very much. Mjpresson (talk) 05:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Done:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Zodiac Vandalism on the Vietnam page

Hi, I went to the Vietnam page and found it to be vandalized by this bizarre Zodiac text. I have never edited Wikipedia before, and the nature of the vandalism won't allow me to see the edit tab anyway. Any ideas how to get rid of this? Thanks! (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It has been fixed. Lately there has been much template vandalism of this kind. The vandalized template is usually fixed quickly and then pages transcluding the template can be fixed by purging them. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! (talk) 01:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


I have wikified my page. I wish removed the information that I need to Wiki my page00:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC) (talk)

Which page is it? (The above post is the only contribution by that IP address). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I guess it's the same as in Wikipedia:Help desk#Wikified: William F. Grant. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

updating a page/photo

Hello. I have read through all the information, but I am just left more confused then when I started. I have been assigned to change the picture for my boss on his bio page ( I have gone into the Wikipedia Common area and uploaded the new photo, however, I just don't know where to go from here to get it posted and remove the old photo. Any help would be extremely appreciated. Rsrpr (talk) 18:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you remember the name of the image that you uploaded to Commons? – ukexpat (talk) 18:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is Image:Paul Gentilozzi.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsrpr (talkcontribs) 18:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) I found it [[Image:Paul Gentilozzi.jpg]]. On the article page, in edit mode, replace the existing image wikilink (at the top of the article) with [[Image:Paul Gentilozzi.jpg|thumb|right||caption]], replacing "caption" with the caption you wish to use. – ukexpat (talk) 18:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I was so close.....trying to change it from the photo page, not the actual bio page. I see now. I will give it a try. Thanks a million! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsrpr (talkcontribs) 18:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Glad I could help. Just as a "by the way", when you are on Wikipedia and you want to link to an article here, you don't need to use the full URL, just put the article name in double square brackets, like this [[Paul Gentilozzi]], which renders as Paul Gentilozzi. – ukexpat (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

That worked! Now I just have one more question regarding this photo. Is there anyway to make the thumbnail bigger (like it was with the previous photo) or does that just depend on the file size? And thanks for the "BTY" help - well needed as I learn my way around wiki! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsrpr (talkcontribs) 18:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you just add a size parameter, say |200px - I'll do it and you will see what I mean. – ukexpat (talk) 19:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I made it 300px - is that big enough? – ukexpat (talk) 19:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks great - thanks again for the help (Rsrpr (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC))



i m urologist & ASSISTANT KIDNEY TRANSPLANT SURGEON. i m gradute of Allama iqbal medical college lahore and had completed my post graduate training in urology,and had experienced of 8 years work in lahore as well as one year job at D.H.Q hospital pakpattan,i came to know that u people r going to start a new t.v channel and its honour for me to work with this leading team. Sir, i want to work on health,Medicine,poverty,education and some social factors through Medical programme that may be consist of documentories,like questions answers,discussions on Medical issues. i want to work on following topics, 1.Primary health care 2.trauma management 3.medical education and entry test 4.Hepatits and Aids 5.T.B 6.Emergency services 7.Kidney failure and dialysis 8.Kidney and Liver transplant 9.Role of Govt in health sector 10.Role of Private Medical colleges. 11.Provision of Medicines to patients. 12.Drug Act 13.Role of pharmacist 14.Role of blood bank 15. Role of Social worker 16. Medical conferences and workshops. Sir, I have experience to organise different Workshops and seminars on medical education. I want to start new program through your channel So health facilities can be provided to humanity . I am much grate ful. I am sending u my C.V along my Suggestions. I hope you will consider it sincerely.

                                                                              Truely Yours,
                                                                Dr. Kamran Hassan bhatti
                                                        Cell:     [contact info removed]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ijaz YOUSAF113 (talkcontribs) 05:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC) 
Are you requesting help in how to use Wikipedia?-- (talk) 10:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

how can i create my sandbox into a page?

I have written in the sandbox an article on 'PICUM (the Platform for International Cooperation on Undocumented Migrant)' and do not know how to submit it as a page. Also, I think an administrator may have to do this because i think the name is protected as it has the word 'cum' in it. Also, is providing the website page at the bottom enough of a reference? Hannah2401 (talk) 07:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

i have created the page but i dont know if it will soon be deleted as the only external link i have is to the organisation's website.. please let me know if this suffices as a reference, and if not how can i create a satisfactory reference? Also, the title is 'Picum' but is there any way to change it to 'PICUM'? Hannah2401 (talk) 07:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Hannah, and welcome to Wikipedia. You would definitely need more references than the organisation's website. I am also actually wondering whether PICUM is notable (i.e., famous) enough to the extent that it can be included in this encyclopaedia. I've been Googling for a bit (such as here) and I can't find any really independent references to PICUM. I also see that there was a past discussion here which indicates that some others have also questioned whether PICUM merits an article.
Anyway, if the article does remain, you'll be able to change its name by clicking on the "Move" link near the top of the page. (Possibly you might have to wait a few days to be allowed to do this.)-- (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I have moved it to PICUM. It required an administrator because page titles containing upper case "CUM" are protected at MediaWiki:Titleblacklist for vandalism reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wisconsin's First African American Mayor

The first and only African American elected Mayor in the State of Wisconsin was from what city? Fitchburg Her name is Frances Huntley-Cooper who was elected on April 2, 1991 and made history by becoming Wisconsin's first and only African American Mayor ever elected to office. Why is this not reflected in Wikipedia? (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia has no central system and no top down writing tasks. Instead, it is a volunteer run and written encyclopedia and things are added by people because they happen to be interested in a subject. We hope that well-written, stable, neutrally-toned, well-sourced articles on all notable topics will eventually be included, but we are contrained by what people choose to write about. The best way for that article to be written, is for you, if you're willing and capable, to write it yourself. That's how many people get involved. They see a gap on something they think should be here, and they fill that gap. All you need to do is sign up for an account, wait four days and make at least ten edits to other articles and you will then be able to create the article. If you do so, and have any problems, including needing help citing sources, do not hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
You only have to register an account to create an article, but if you prefer something easier then you can also mention her in Fitchburg, Wisconsin. The four days and ten edits mentioned by Fuhghettaboutit is to get autoconfirmed which is required for certain other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

How to make a redirect

If you were to search for "Rufus Zogbaum," I would like you to be directed to "Rufus Fairchild Zogbaum." How would you make that happen? Thank you for your answer! Ayapota (talk) 12:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I see you already know the term redirect by virtue of the section header you made. At Wikipedia, redirects are made by creating a page for the other name with the text #REDIRECT [[name to redirect to]]. After that when a person types the name of the redirect they will be taken straight to the other article. Lots more information on redirects is at Wikipedia:Redirect. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Adding Personal Biographies

Can you add personal biographies to wikipedia? Because this would be an interesting appeal. (talk) 15:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Biographical articles on Wikipedia must conform to our guidelines on that subject to ensure that they are about notable people. Wikipedia users can use their own user page to write about themselves if they so desire, but articles about non-notable people will be deleted. Tony Fox (arf!) 15:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
You can post bios on and without restriction. – ukexpat (talk) 15:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

First-timer at submitting an article - questions about using copyrighted images with permission from artist

Hello - I've just finished writing an article about the photographer KARL FERRIS and would like to upload it to Wikipedia. While I have edited other articles in the past, this is the first time that I'm submitting an article, so I want to be sure I'm doing it correctly. Besides the text and links to other Wikipedia articles, I have a few photographs that Karl has given me permission to use in this article. These are well-known, valuable photos, so I do not want to upload them without understanding how to properly attach copyright notices and make sure that there is no confusion about whether someone/anyone can legally use these images once they're uploaded. As I am not a computer programmer, while I hhave read through your instructions about submitting an article, I'm still a bit hesitant to do so for fear of doing it incorrectly. Can I simply send my article to someone who can review it and then upload it for me? Please let me know what to do - thanks so much for your help and patience. Sincerely Mike Goldstein RockPoP Gallery Huntington, NY, USA Rockpop (talk) 19:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I have created a user subpage for you where you can work on the article until you think it is ready to be moved to the mainspace. The subpage is at User:Rockpop/Karl Ferris. I also created link to it on your user page - User:Rockpop. Click on the subpage link, then click on the edit tab and you can paste the article into the page and save. Take a look at WP:YFA for guidance on writing your first article. Also take a look at WP:BIO, WP:V and WP:RS. Don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page if I can help further. – ukexpat (talk) 19:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I will add some extra information on image copyright on User talk:Rockpop as well. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 00:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Emile Lessore article

Hi. I added a new article entitled Emile Lessore. Is there a way to have someone look it over? Suntag (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

...It looks like someone already looked it over. Thanks. Suntag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suntag (talkcontribs) 22:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Direction to Applicable Articles Please...

I think I'm getting the basics down, but can't figure out where to get info on something I want to do.

I want to write a short piece about QuikSigma, which is in the same class of software with Minitab and Statgraphics.

The text and links aren't a problem, so far... standard references working fine.

What I don't understand how to do is the summary box that appears in most of the statistical software articles. It seems to be drawn from a summary chart located elsewhere. Can you point me to how to add QuikSigma to the source document, and then how to insert the summary box in the article?

denton (talk) 01:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess you refer to {{Infobox Software}}. You can click "edit this page" on an existing article to see how the article does something. You only have to edit the article where you want to place the infobox. Please only create an article if the subject satisfies Wikipedia:Notability. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c) If you provide an example page which has the "summary box" it would help. Do you mean a box such as the one that appears in the upper right hand corner of the page CHARTrunner? If so, that's an "infobox", in this case, {{Infobox_Software}}. You can just click edit this page on the article I just linked and grab the code from the top of the article, then replace the information listed for each parameter with the data for the article you are creating. If that's not what you were referring to, again, please point to a specific article that contains what you mean and describe where on the page it appears. However, before you create the article, please check out Wikipedia:Notability (web). The subject of article on Wikipedia must be notable, which generally means being the subject of substantive treatment in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

New User Stumped By Notability

I'm quite new here, but I've read a lot and have been tagging some articles and making small corrections here and there. I came across an article, Reek Da Villain (a redirect now, it's been changed to Reek Da Villian), which I felt suffered from a lack of notability. I don't want to push my "point of view" and felt that by adding a notability template, I was being fair and reasonable. In watching the page and the dozens of edits that were being made by the article's author, I noticed that my template had disappeared. I wasn't sure whether I should add it back or not, but as there were no edits by anyone other than the author at the time, I reasonably assumed that it was simply erased by the author, who didn't want it there. I suppose it could have been an accident? Anyway, I added the template again, which hasn't been removed since.

My question has several parts to it, please bear with me!

  • CAN the creator of a new article remove a speedy delete, or a template, or anything else pointing out some fault in their article?
  • If so, and they do remove it, is it reasonable to leave them a warning on their talk page - say, if they remove it more than once? Is there a template for this kind of warning? If they ignore that, too, would I report them?
  • Should I have assumed that the user knew what they were doing and that my issue with the notability was incorrect? Was I wrong to persist and put it back?
  • I've been checking on lots of articles that are already patrolled to see what generally gets thrown out and what doesn't (where things aren't blatantly obvious) and this one really has me thinking. I'm quite convinced that this article isn't notable, but would love to find out if I am wrong, so please tell me what you think! What is the point of view of the admins and other more experienced users? I'm not sure if I'm just being picky or - even worse - prejudiced!
  • Am I allowed to make specific and disparaging references to an article I'm not the author of? Like this whole question on Reek Da Villian?

Thank you very much for any help! Maedin (talk) 20:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

    • It depends on the type of template. Speedy templates should not be removed by the involved party at all, they should remain in place until acted upon, including being declined or removed by an experienced editor with a rationale provided; see {{uw-speedy1}}, {{uw-speedy2}}, etc. For maintenance templates, such as {{unreferenced}}, there's {{uw-tdel1}}, {{uw-tdel2}}, etc. and for lots of other templates you might find useful and instructive, see WP:UTM. Removal of the notability template is trickier. It's not exactly a maintenance template and it serves more the role of a heads up warning than asking for any specific task to be done. I would not replace it again, but simply take the article to AfD if the article isn't sufficiently improved and a bit of research leads you to the conclusion the article is indeed not-notable. If, on the other hand, your research leads you to believe the subject is or is likely to be notable, but the article fails to show that, you can add {{Importance}} instead. I wouldn't say you were wrong to place it back, as it wasn't clear its removal was calculated, but as I said, it's not the same as a maintenance template. As for whether you are allowed to make "disparaging references", I'm not sure of what you mean. I don't think you mean adding negative content to the article itself, but just in case, see WP:BLP. But saying something is not notable is not disparaging—at least not how we use that word here. It simply means it doesn't meet our standards for writing a tertiary source article which is a requirement of an encyclopedia, because independent reliable sources haven't already published substantive material about the subject. If your truly think the subject is not notable, take it to AfD. I didn't repond to your laundry list seriatim, but I hope I covered most of the bases. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Fuhghettaboutit, I think you answered most of my questions! I must be careful not to think that there is a magic solution to these things, which probably, in my naivety, I was hoping to get out of my question, lol. But there aren't absolutes, so, as I'm convinced that the article should simply be merged, I will instigate AfD and wait and see what other people think. In grey areas, that's the best that a new user can do, I suppose, is read every piece of guidance and policy they can, and if it still isn't clear, then submit it to the more experienced and learn from their response. On a side note, my comment about disparaging comments is that I was fairly outrightly stating in my question that a certain rapper wasn't notable, and even linking to the article. I wondered if that constituted "bad press" - perhaps I should not have given the name of the article and instead made the reference more hypothetical than specific. Anyway, thank you again, and sorry it took me so long to respond! :))) Cheers, Maedin (talk) 17:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


NiteMedia S.A. (Sociedad Anonima) is a Central American based solutions company, currently owns online properties like LasNite.Com, ClickforFlick.Com and —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhbernheim (talkcontribs) 16:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a specific question regarding Wikipedia, perhaps about an article (with the above subject) you wish to create? If not, your comments can be construed as WP:SPAM. Wisdom89 (T / C) 06:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest???

Hi, I hope I am in the right place for this question. I have just joined Wikipedia. I was hoping to write an article about a band (two people, they play a mix of Irish/Scottish Music). Anyway, from what I can gather, since one of the guys in the band is my brother, I can't write this, as it would constitute a conflict of Interest. Is this correct? If I have posted this in the wrong place, forgive me. Dermiek (talk) 20:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it would technically be a conflict of interest. However, I would be willing to help you make an article about the band, assuming that they are notable. Are there independent sources about the band? Have they had a song chart on a recognized chart or have they released a couple of albums on a significant label? Let me know on my talk page and we'll see what we can do. Cheers! TNX-Man 21:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

User Masamage deleted my page

This week, I began a page for my company (NMS Labs). It is a work-in-progress, but we do expect to edit it to be quite informative and very relevant. User Masamage deleted it yesterday citing that it "Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/company/etc." I included links to our company website and blog. We are, in fact, a very well known and very well respected toxicology lab - known not only nationally but globally. I am quite offended that this user can just delete our page without notice. What do I have to do to ensure this does not happen again? Thank you. Nittany87 (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

What Masamage was alluding to was that you need to show why your company is important within the article. One of the things that we need to be wary of is allowing Wikipedia to be used as a vehicle for advertising, rather than an encyclopedia, so users such as Masamage check to make sure that new articles are about topics - and companies, in this case - which warrant an entry. NMS Labs does seem to be a significant toxicology lab, so what you'll need to do is make it clear in the article why it is important, as someone (such as myself) unaware of the toxicology field would probably not be in a position to judge. There are some general guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) which should help cover the sorts of information which you can use, but the easiest method is to show that the company has had good coverage in secondary sources, such as referencing discussions about NMS Labs in newspapers, books or journals. You might also want to consider developing the article as a subpage of your userspace, which will give you time to find sources before making it live. When it is ready to go it can be moved into the main space. This also gives you a chance to have other editors look at it before it goes live. One thing to be wary of, though, is a conflict of interest - as you are connected to the company there would seem to be a conflict. This doesn't stop you from creating or working on the page, but it would be wise to check the guidelines. - Bilby (talk) 13:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
The page Wikipedia:Reliable Sources explains what sort of sources qualify as significant coverage of your lab: find a few of those, include them in the article (see Citing sources for how to format them) and it shouldn't be summarily deleted again. Hope that helps! Best, Olaf Davis | Talk 23:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

External Links

I am confused about Wikipedia's policy on multiple submission of external references. I see where other organizations have have links on several pages and this is not considered promoting your website or spaming. My specific concerns relate to including my links on several American Civil War pages. I have a collection of over 3,400 digital photographs of battlefields and re-enactments that I would like to share with Wiki readers. Readers are free to download the pictures. My additions have been removed. I don't see any consistency with this policy. I have written to one of the editors and have not received a reply. (talk) 12:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you give an example of an addition that was removed? (A diff would be best, but if you don't know what a "diff" is, just give the name of the article concerned and the date/time when it was removed.) That would help us to answer your question. Also, Wikipedia:Copyrights has got general information on Wikipedia copyright policy (in case the concern was possible copyright violations), and Wikipedia:External links is a guideline on what external links are suitable. Oh, and welcome to Wikipedia. Cheers, -- (talk) 07:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

lost italics in copy/paste move

instructions say to create new page on my own user page, then use copy/paste to move text to "create page here" when search sez "no page with that title exists." I lost all my italics in the move. Page in question is Carroll Watson Rankin, now out there sans italics. What shall I do next? How do I ask to be notified on my talk page? And how do I scrub clean my user page?Pilobola (talk) 00:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see much problem with italics at Carroll Watson Rankin, although I've begun formatting the references in the WP style and removed a slight "review"-like statement. Does that help? Thanks for contributing. Mjpresson (talk) 02:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any italics on the version of your article on your user page. Perhaps you created the article on your own computer first, in a WORD file for example, and tried to copy it to Wikipedia? You would lose the formatting if you tried that. Italics at WP are created by using 2 single quotation marks.
Looking at the article, I see the first of your 4 references is formatted correctly, but the other 3 need to be changed. Look at the article in "edit" mode, and see how the first one is done within the edit box, then change the others to match.
References, done. Mjpresson (talk) 07:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I added an infobox, persondata template and changed to a more appropriate stub. – ukexpat (talk) 19:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
To "scrub" your user page, edit it and remove everything in the edit box. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 05:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

getting started

Thanx Mjpression for work on Carroll Watson Rankin. By the time you got there I had recreated my italics but had trouble with refs and cits. Anyway it looks good now and I have added the button you recommended to my toolbar. I see two pages (Chirikif Island and Charles McIlvaine the mushroomer) that I could do much to improve but having succeeded once, I am now terrified to try again. How could I do an edit and submit it for approval before I apply it to the page?Pilobola (talk) 18:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

You could do a couple of different things. You could use the preview button to see what your edit will look like before you submit it. Or you could discuss your edit on the talk page of the article to see what other editors think. I hope this helps! TNX-Man 18:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
And always remember: You are encouraged to be bold!. Every mistake can be easily fixed. Mjpresson (talk) 20:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


Hope that helps. MikP (wots all this, then?) 03:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Mike P, I would like to add a reference in an existing {{reflist}}, but I am unable to find an example of how. When I click the [edit] for the two existing references, only {{reflist}} appears. Do I simply add my new reference below the {{reflist}} ? [edit: ah, I read further down in GREEN BEGINNER and it looks as though I should create a refTool in "Mypreferences/gadgets" and use that tool for simplicity, yes? No. It does not do what I had in mind. I, too, would like to place a footnote number at the end of a sentence which will then drop down to the specified reference object which will be listed in the "List of References". So, my question is twofold: how do you place the footnote number, and how do you list a corresponding reference for that footnote number? Using the refTool gadget merely seems to provide a user with the expression <ref>Insert Text</>.] Hag2 15:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Please see {{Refref}} for exhaustive detail. In summary, you add a footnote to the References section containing the {{Reflist}} template by placing <ref>citation</ref> in the body of the article, next to the text where you want the numbered footnote to appear. The text between the tags then appears in the the references section and it is automatically numbered by the software.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Place <ref>Insert Text</ref> where you want the reference number to be displayed in the article. Then the reference text and numbers will automatically be displayed in the reference section (assuming it contains {{reflist}} or similar). See Wikipedia:Footnotes. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. "See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners", and using the "test example" in a Sandbox did the trick. Hag2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


I recently created a page about someone. But the name of the page has their name spelled in lower case. I tried to change it back to upper case but can't find where I could do that. I can edit the body of the page but don't know how to edit the title of the page. Please help!

Polokokta (talk) 04:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I moved the article to the correct name. Accounts under four days old cannot move pages. Once the account is old enough, you should see a "move" tab on the top of the page. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 05:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
The OP's account is four days old. The reason it lacks autoconfirmed status is that it's two short of the required ten edits. Algebraist 12:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

My article disapeared

My article that I worked on for several hours last night completely disapeared this morning. Last night I could still view the page, and my "my contributions" page still showed my history of the article, but when I went back to modify the article, the box was completely blank. This morning when I checked again, all history of the article had completely disapeared. What happened? All the informtion was directly off of an information website that am shutting down (I did briefly mention that website in the first-paragraph-overview of the article, is that that problem?), and I hadn't gotten a chance to cite my other sources for the information yet. So is it back to the drawing board? Davidvogel (talk) 15:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Your article was probably deleted. I don't see any articles you have edited in your contributions. Do you remember its title? In future, you should create articles in your own user space, and move or copy/paste them to a live article when it's completed. See here for instructions on creating a user sub-page. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 15:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
See also: WP:DEL#Access to deleted pages --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 15:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Ty Peace Bear was deleted because it looked like your last edit blanked the page. The blanking was actually caused by a software bug and I have restored the page. Sorry about this problem. Note that the aticle could still risk being deleted for another reason, lack of sources showing notability. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Chirikof Island

I once knew how to contact Mjpression on his/her talk page, who was very helpful to me yesterday, but I can't see today how I did it. The Chirikof Island page as of a few minutes ago was rife with errors and misperceptions, as is so much info on Alaska. I just edited it with only a small amount of the voluminous lore I have on that island. Appears I unintentionally edited out the coordinates and other geographical data, which I had no quarrel with. I must leave the office now and will miss any immediate feedback. No time to test the web references or do other cleanup. If I have committed editing sins, I will find out Monday I guess.Pilobola (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Left my contact link on their talk page. Mjpresson (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

tree well page edit and link to sfgate article

i added the following in january 2008 but my edit is not appearing on the 'tree well' wiki page. i am writing to ask why my edit is not appearing on the page. can you please let me know why it does not appear?

this was my edit:

01:31, 30 January 2008 (hist) (diff) Tree well‎ (added a news story about a man that died from falling into a tree well on 1/27/08 at Homewood in Lake Tahoe, CA)

The link to the story was also added in my edit:

There are two other references on the page that describe tree well deaths. This edit and link are a third example from a different ski area.

At minimum, can you please post this article in the reference section (I do not understand how to post to the 'references' section of the page).

Thank you.


Kovinsky (talk) 21:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Will reply on user's talk page --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

cited source contradicts personal knowledge of a subject

I am wondering what is an acceptable way to edit an article to point out that information from a quoted source seems to be wrong, but I only have my personal recollection to back this up.

To give a specific example, the article about Frenchs Forest states (using a cited reference) that this place underwent a transformation from farmland to residential building starting in the 1960s. However I lived there in the 1960s and I am sure the transformation from farmland to residential building began many years earlier and was actually drawing to a close by the 1960s.

Maybe the cited reference was wrong. Or maybe someone has misinterpreted it. I don't feel I can just edit the statement out based on my own recollections. But is there a polite way of leaving the citation in, but pointing out that there is reason to doubt its accuracy?

I have not seen examples of this dilemma in other articles I have read, so am uncertain what is the acceptable way of editing in this situation.

Tesseract72 (talk) 15:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

You could add a {{disputed}} or {{dubious}} tag to that part of the article and then explain the situation (a copy-paste of your explanation here would do). But if I were you, I would politely request confirmation from the person who connected that citation with that fact, J Bar (talk · contribs). However, given our verifiability policy, (correctly) cited informaion always tops an editor's recollection (this being the internet, and no one knowing each other).--chaser - t 16:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Wiki URL to my page not what I expected...

My Wiki page URL is but what we want is .../wiki/DigitalDirect.

Not sure what we did incorrectly, but would appreciate instructinos on how to change it.

Nbedworth (talk) 03:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a much deeper problem that the article constitutes spam, and it has been tagged for speedy deletion. Every article topic on Wikipedia must adhere to our notability guideline (has received commentary from reliable sources). People associated with a company are also strongly discouraged from writing about that company. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

actors not listed from Arkansas

Andrew Moore and Pamelia Moore two actors from Hot Springs Arkansas now living in Hollywood, Calif. Both are involved in the business. Check out web site The Felties .com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dandrew54 (talkcontribs) 02:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Can we delete this? Mjpresson (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure what your question is. Did you want to know something relating to using Wikipedia? TNX-Man 15:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you want Wikipedia:Requested articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Message on page which reads "This article or section is missing citations or needs footnotes"

I have created a page called Ray Liversidge. When the page comes up it has a window saying "This article or section is missing citations or needs footnotes." I am confused as to why this should be as I believe I have referenced third party sources and done everything else correctly. If you have a look at other poets who are on Wikipedia (for eg. Jordie Albiston or Jaya Savige) you will see that my page is similar to theirs and their pages do not display this warning. Any advice would be most welcome.

Arkayel (talk) 03:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, one problem is that there is only one citation - that on the last sentence. Everything else is unsourced. For example, how do we know where or when he was born? Another problem is that the citation you have used does not seem to be a reliable source. Blogs are usually not acceptable because they are self published. Also, to demonstrate notability you really need references to independent third party reliable sources. For example, newspaper articles or reviews (from a reliable source, not a blog). Without these, the article may end up being deleted. Unfortunately there are many articles on Wikipedia that fall short of the policies & guidelines. Editors are working to gradually fix them all, but the fact that one article does not measure up is not an excuse for another article not to measure up. --BelovedFreak 19:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

submitting articles to wikipedia

i amjust asking question about on how to submit articles in wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Renuj p (talkcontribs) 07:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You will need to be autoconfirmed to create an article. Please also take a look at this guidance for your first article. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You actually don't have to be autoconfirmed to create articles, but it's needed for some other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Doh! I should have read past the first sentence of the section I linked to... – ukexpat (talk) 17:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


I have never seen like in the article Munich - is it nonsense because it is applied to ALL categories? -- (talk) 16:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I have removed it. It caused sorting under a % character for no reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Fapla (Frente Amplio Progresista de Los Angeles)

Fapla es un organisacion de Mexicanos en el exterior, que se formo despues del fraude electoral en Mexico en el ano 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepebenavides (talkcontribs)

You might be more interested in contributing to the Spanish Wikipedia, which is all in Spanish. The English Wikipedia is only in English. -- Natalya 03:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Two basic questions

I posted an article for an author, Diana M. Raab. I'm trying to make it look like the article about one of her collegues, Philip Deaver.

  1. How do I insert her photo to her article?
  2. She would prefer to leave off her middle do I remove that, from the article heading? It should read only Diana Raab.

Thanks! Kateschwab (talk) 19:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, to remove the middle initial, look at the top of the page. You'll see a "move" tab. Click on that to move the article to the desired title. The only requirements are that a)you've made at least ten edits and b) you've been a member for more than four days. Cheers! TNX-Man 19:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
As for uploading pictures and images, this guide should provide some answers. I hope this helps! TNX-Man 20:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I moved the article to Diana Raab, cleaned it up a little, added a stub template, category and an infobox. – ukexpat (talk) 14:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

lost in wikipedia; where's the yellow brick road?

I might be complaining I'm more asking how things work here. This is the most convoluted maze of use help pages I have ever encountered. They are mostly articles within articles saturated with hundreds of links each which just brings up another article with another two dozen links. It took me ten minutes to figure out I had to create an account to access help when any other site has a very simple board you can view messages then create an account then post.

One of the help pages lists three of someone's notes from 2007 then a comment from 2008 at the bottom with nothing that I saw to go look at a recent history of comments, unless I missed it, which means it should be more obvious. It took me awhile to finally find this page. And here people's comments are awkwardly inserted into a encyclopedia-article format... it looks like an article when you skim it then finally I saw these were actually posts.

Anyway my big question is that I've never understood how anyone can just edit articles. The articles are excellent and expert-written, though there must be twenty people who'd like to change them. How do you resolve the fighting? How can there be no main editor? Do my edits just appear immediately? If so they'd just be taken down immediately wouldn't they 'cause most of the articles are near perfect and who the heck am I out of seven million users to fool around with them? I simply want to argue about a single article, the movie CUBE, and this is the strangest ordeal to do so. Any other site in existence is two clicks: contact page, fill comment field, send. Or help board, create account, post, check back.

It's only my mania that's keeping me going on my quest to argue about the math of CUBE. Please help. Thanks a lot.

Squish7 Squish7 (talk) 02:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that you're so lost - I hope that we can help you to find your proverbial way, as it were!
To start as an introduction, there are a couple of (hopefully not too confusing) links that could be helpful to you - Wikipedia:Introduction is a good introduction to how Wikipedia works, and Wikipedia:Tutorial gives some of the basics of actually editing.
To attempt to address the points you've brought up, here goes. Many editors collaborate on articles, especially those that are the most detailed. Yes, anyone can make an edit to an article. If it's vandalism, someone watching the page will almost certainly remove it, which helps to keep a lot of the nonsense out of articles. When there are more contentious topics to be discussed, talk pages of articles are used. Talk pages are used for editors working on an article to discuss issues with the article, so that people aren't just warring back and forth over the article. Although there are always people who choose to make contentious edits rather than discuss first, most people strive to achieve consensus on touchy issues before making changes. If you want to discuss something about an article, just click on the "Discussion" link on the tabs at the top of the page, and you'll be brought to the talk page!
I hope that helps - feel free to ask as many questions as you have! -- Natalya 02:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
The "ultimate" page for understanding Wikipedia is probably the Editors' index, a listing of just about all the important policies, guidelines, essays and other miscellanea that detail the many facets of contributing to the project. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Your statements "The articles are excellent and expert-written" and "most of the articles are near perfect" are the most positive I have ever heard about Wikipedia. Thanks! But beware that some users add vandalism or unreliable claims to articles and it isn't always discovered and fixed within a reasonable time. You don't need an account to access help. All pages have a Help link in the interaction box to the left. You need an account to create pages but not to edit existing pages. Which page has "three of someone's notes from 2007 then a comment from 2008 at the bottom"? Wikipedia is a freaking huge place and I agree that finding the right place for something can be challenging. But having found this page, you can ask here where to find other things! You are right that Wikipedia uses the same software and interface system to write articles and to discuss things. Users only have to learn one system but some day we may get a new system Liquid Threads designed for discussions. You can discuss the article Cube (film) with other users by clicking the "discussion" tab at top which leads to Talk:Cube (film). Click the "new section" tab to start a new section, or the "edit" link to the right of an existing section you want to edit. You can edit the article directly and your edits will appear immediately. But note that article content should be based on verifiable published reliable sources and not your own original research. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Also, these charts may be helpful: Wikipedia:How to edit a page. Mjpresson (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for the responses, looks like a super and active community! -Squish7

--Squish7 (talk) 21:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

in luigi,s mansion how the light turn on

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. (talk) 19:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Did you have a question relating to using Wikipedia? You may want to look at the Luigi's Mansion article for other assistance. Cheers! TNX-Man 20:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. (talk) 20:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Page/url to be removed as new page is already there

I want this page/url to be deleted as it contains SogoInvest in the url. And as I have already made the page, I don't want SogoInvest to be there as SogoTrade is the new name of the business.Moreover, the previous name is already being given in the article. How can I do it?

In the page, on the right hand side Key People's name Kevin Chen, CTO is being given. And that link is going to Kevin Nai Chia Chen - a Taiwanese racing driver. As the article's Kevin Chen is not a racing driver, I don't want the hyperlink to be there like William Yeh and Dave D. Whitmore. Please help !

When I type in the url, in the browser, no page is shown.t is only then when I type, the actual page appears.How can I correct it? Stocksfan (talk) 05:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

You lost me. First, instead of giving the entire url, just type the article name like this [[Article]] which produces Article.
SogoInvest redirects to SogoTrade. So what is the name of the company? SogoInvest, SogoTrade, or Sogotrade? -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 05:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Fonts, tables without borders, available bgcolors

I want to include a table as a box which has a quotation within. I want to use an old English type font. I want the box to be indented 1 inch from the left and the right with the copy within centered. I could prepare in in photo format, but would rather not.

I have searched and searched and cannot find a listing of usable "bgcolors" or fonts. Argee (talk) 02:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Give this code a try:
Doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles doodles
Do note, however, that "bgcolor" is short for "background color" which, in (X)HTML terms, refers to something like this. x42bn6 Talk Mess 09:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

You can not have Old English type font. A web browser can only display those fonts each viewer have in their computer. Most people don't have Old Englis font or anything similar. --PauliKL (talk) 23:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The simpler way would be to use {{quote box2}}. You can specify the alignment for the box and the text and the background colors. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Proposed New Article

I drafted a proposed new article, on the actor Robin Hunter, quite notable in films, TV etc. The information was collated from various sources, and is reliable. The article appears when I go through the process again, but has not appeared on the net. Is there a stage I am missing out? I have edited other, similar, articles perfectly successfully, but have not written a new one before. I have searched the instructions for some stage I have missed!

Best (talk) 06:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Robin Hunter appears to have an article. I'm guessing you are User:Rogersansom but didn't log in? -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 07:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Since that article exists as noted above, are you possibly asking, when you say it "has not appeared on the net", why you don't find that article yet through search engines such as Google? If so, that's because they take their own time (nothing we can do to help) to index Wikipedia pages.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hyperlink to be deleted

In the SogoTradepage, on the right hand side Key People's name Kevin Chen, CTO is being given. And that link is going to Kevin Nai Chia Chen - a Taiwanese racing driver. As the article's Kevin Chen is not a racing driver, I don't want the hyperlink to be there like William Yeh and Dave D. Whitmore. Appreciate all responses. Thanks Stocksfan (talk) 07:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

For now, I'm just going to delink it to avoid confusion. Wisdom89 (T / C) 08:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

is banana flower usefull in menopause

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. (talk) 09:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Please fill in the subject box above, then REPLACE ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS with your question, and don't forget to sign by leaving the following four tildes (~'s) in place which automatically formats to your signature once you click "save page" below. (talk) 09:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

This question belongs at the reference desk. Wisdom89 (T / C) 09:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Uploading images

Hi there, I am currently working on Deus Ex 3 and would like to edit the current wiki page and also add our logo. When I try and upload an image I am told I can't because I am not an established user. Would it be possbile to get edit rights for this page?

Many thanks

Tomwaine (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This means at the time you tried to edit your were not yet autoconfirmed, meaning either you hadn't yet made ten edits, your account wasn't yet 4 days old, or both. Once both conditions obtain, the uploading restriction will be removed. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


hey i just got a message saying i was being a vandal i have not edited any of these sites and no one in my home has either... not sure what is going on there Bec221.133.204.4 (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You are currently listed and recognized here under your ip address. Ip addresses switch around and can be in ranges so you can sometimes see messages left for other people who operated under the same ip address. So if you've never vandalized, ignore the message. However, this will not happen if you create an account. An account is actually more anonymous than operating under an ip address, and has many benefits. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Superscript note numbers appear but no Notes section

I recently wrote a Wikipedia article on Thomas Pamphlett and have noticed that a Notes section has not appeared. I used 'Insert a reference' and typed the actual footnote between the ref markers. However, there is no Notes section to the article, despite the superscript numbers appearing in the text. I've been unable to work out what I need to do. At the moment, the article can be found by going to the Wikipedia article on History of Brisbane. This person is mentioned early in this article. Chrispy52 (talk) 11:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Chrispy52. You have to tell the software where to display the footnotes. This is done by placing any of <references/>, {{reflist}}, {{reflist|2}} or {{reflist|3}} (the last two are used to split long listings into columns) under a section usually called references. I have done so for you (see this diff) and they are working fine. {{Refref}} has visual examples of how it all works; Wikipedia:Citing sources has lots more info. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Wrong title for page

In summary the page entitled 135Luigi needs to be renamed Jonathan Cole Hi when I signed up for Wikipedia and put up my page the title of the page has come out as my username (135LUIGI) instead of the title of the person the page is about (Jonathan Cole). I would be very grateful if you could instruct me on how to change this or change it on my behalf. Many thanks --135LUIGI (talk) 14:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The page needs to be moved to the correct title. You can do that yourself if you are autoconfirmed. If you are you will see a 'move' tab at the top center of the page. I'll go ahead an move this for you incase you are not autoconfirmed. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 14:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, your article is already there. See Jonathan Cole. -CWY2190(talkcontributions) 14:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


can i ask for help please194.59.172.128 (talk) 17:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You sure can. What would you like help with? TNX-Man 17:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Lost page

I just wrote and then I made up a user page that I have already gotten feedback on although I am not sure the page is set up to my account. The info I can provide is ( (talk) 22:18,31 July 2008 (UTC). I am very interested in getting feedback and from what i recieved it is very intellectually inspired. Can you help me get the (talk) and my account connected? Disregard this message if you have already connected the two. JulieAnnnn JulieAnnnn (talk) 23:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you wanting the writing moved to your userpage? Mjpresson (talk) 23:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I created a sandbox for you with a link on your userpage and copied the text to that page. Hope that's what you wanted, if not I can revert it. Mjpresson (talk) 23:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)