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Campaign boxes.

Editing in campaign boxes. How should the articles be listed chronologically? Should an event be listed chronologically at the beginning or end of the event? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChristiaandeWet (talkcontribs) 21:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I notice that nobody has answered you so far. It may be that other people, like me, have no idea what you are asking about. Perhaps it would be helpful if you clarified your question, or supplied a link to a particular page that it relates to. --ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
If you're talking about elections, it is customary to list them in chronological order (first to last), by the date of the election itself. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Good to know thank you.. how about something like this? ie when a battle or siege starts? When a battle starts after a siege has started but ends before the siege finishes. Here is an example of a layout in question Template:Campaignbox Barbarossa: the Siege of Leningrad and then the First Battle of Kharkov. Or should Kharkov battle be before Leningrad siege? Chronologically is this the proper procedure for laying out a timeline of events? ChristiaandeWet (talk) 19:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
You would probably do better to enquire at WT:MILHIST, our very active military history unit.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

March 29

March 30

James-Younger Gang

This article has several instances where information is repeated in the same paragraphs. There is a short bibliography but almost no cites to pronouncements in the article. There are links to people who don't have Wikepedia pages while the article is missing links to relevant terms and place names, especially the section titled "1876." In fact, "1876" reads like a popular biography with weasel words (terrorist, infamous, brutally violent), not like an objective encyclopedia article. It also refers twice in the same paragraph to "Frank James and his accomplice," by which I think the author means Jesse James, the more famous of the two brothers.

I don't know how to flag this article for rewriting with a notice that it doesn't provide enough footnotes. Thank you.Risssa (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. --ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

April 1

how do i write an article

how do i write an article i cant find anything on the self thinking interface ie vogelsang sti device and i want to make one (cmarct)

Cmarct (talk) 17:58, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2

creating a new paragrapha

How to create a new paragraph. I want to replace Rangpur University by begum Rokeya University. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Please clarify what you are trying to do. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
You must leave a line between paragraphs. A single new line is ignored, it will be rendered as one paragraph. SpinningSpark 23:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

March 31

Featured Articles

can I get a featured article prompt sent to my email account (talk) 09:10, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Did you want a specific featured article? See WP:RSS for how to get a feed of it. If you are looking for the featured article currently on the front page, you can subscribe to the daily article mailing list. SpinningSpark 01:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


While editing a substance on your site, how can i also add into it my article (as the matter relate to the substance i am editing) which i have already written on another website so that it doesn't become copying? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

It depends. If the other website explicitly releases the material into the public domain, or under a licence acceptable to Wikipedia, there is no problem. But if the other website explicitly claims copyright, or does not say anything about copyright, then you (or the copyright holder, if it is not you) would need to release it explicitly: see WP:Donating copyright materials.
All this applies if the text you add to Wikipedia is copied directly, or changed only trivially. If you rewrite it substantially, then there is no problem with copyright. And in fact it is very likely that you need to rewrite it, because the kind of writing that Wikipedia requires (neutral summary of already-published material, with no original research) is rare on other sites. --ColinFine (talk) 12:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

finger nails

did you know, that if you lick a gummy bear and put it on your finger nails they will grow within two days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:39, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? TNXMan 17:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

April 3

Protect for open place in Ghatkopar (West) area.

  Hall sir, 
  Good Evening, I am a comman man in in our residential area Ghatkopar (West).
  Last from 45 years where i am staying,our neighbour place had open.No Till as on no any        
  constuction on that place, But now some peoples are trying on that place to build staircase 
  for theirs sarvajanik office.
  Please tell me sir, That peoples can build staircase on that open place ?
  Please give me a advice  — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:41, 3 April 2012 (UTC) 
I'm sorry, you are asking at the wrong place. This is the help desk for using and editing Wikipedia, the encyclopaedia that anybody can edit. We have no particular information about building regulations in your country. We do have a reference desk, but they will not answer requests for legal advice, which your question appears to be. You should consult a lawyer in your area. --ColinFine (talk) 18:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Deleted references by mistake

I am a newcomer. I tried to add a refrence but ended up deleting all the refrences that was on the page. How do i put them back? Will an editor do it? Tao1994 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:19, 3 April 2012 (UTC).

No problem, this has already been fixed. You might like Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

April 4

Dubuque, Iowa/famous citizens

Edward Albee, the writer of "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf?", is listed as a citizen of Dubuque, Iowa. This is incorrect. Perhaps confused with David Rabe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

True, thank you. I've removed him (you could have done this yourself).
--ColinFine (talk) 09:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

How to hyper link a name

i wish to hyper link a name on a wikipedia page which shall automatically give more details of that name with a new page opening in that hyperlinked name .08:48, 4 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

To link to an existing article on Wikipedia, you put the name of article in double square brackets, for example [[Spencer Tracy]] displays as Spencer Tracy. (Note that you must get the name of the page exactly correct, including punctuation and capitalisation.) To link to an article that does not yet exist, you do exactly the same, and it will display as a redlink, for example Henry Wallawarra-Splong: but you should only do that if you believe that the name linked to is notable by Wikipedia's criteria, and so there could be an article about them. --ColinFine (talk) 09:11, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Need to change logo on page


I maintain the page The_Voice_(North_Devon) for a friend, but I want to change the logo as the one currently there is an older version of the current logo but can't seem to upload it as it's a different file type to the one in the destination filename (new logo is a PNG, old one is a JPEG). Tried changing file type of new image to jpeg but didn't work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jver10 (talkcontribs) 09:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Upload the new logo as File:NWND.png (or hopefully something more descriptive), copying the tag and non-free use rationale from File:NWND.jpg. Then edit the infobox of The Voice (North Devon) to use the new file. —teb728 t c 09:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - I've uploaded the new file at File:The_Voice_North_Devon_logo.png but I have two Summary boxes on there at the moment as I'm not sure which bits of code I need to copy over for the new file. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jver10 (talkcontribs) 10:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I know it's not what you asked, Jver10, but your phraseology ("I maintain the page ... for a friend") suggests that you possibly ought to read WP:OWN and WP:COI. Apologies if you are already aware of these, or if I'm wrong and they don't apply. --ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Colin, I work with the manager of the radio station which this article is about. He asked me to set up the page as I told him I have a Wikipedia account (He doesn't, and as the manager of the station doesn't really have time to maintain the page himself). He tells me what to put in the page. This is what I meant by maintaining it for a friend. Hope this clarifies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jver10 (talkcontribs) 10:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
In that case you certainly ought to read the pages I linked to, and also WP:CORP. Wikipedia articles neither want nor need approval from their subjects, and their subjects (and friends) need to be very circumspect about editing such articles. Neither you nor he should "maintain" the article. --ColinFine (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

how save edited material?

I made an edit to the units operating the Douglas C-124C Globemaster II. I did not see an icon or button to save the new material. ~ ~ ~ ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

There is a "Save page" button below the edit box, same as when you posted here. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

April 5

How do I upload an article

I have tried through the Upload file link but can only get as far uploading to Wiki Commons, but this is an article, not a jpg file.Whitehousee (talk) 01:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Articles must be written in an edit box like your post here and not uploaded as files. See Wikipedia:Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:10, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


sri simandhar swami - this name and data is available under the heading of tirthankaras in wikipedia. i wish the name sri simandhar swami be given hyper link and shall lead to new page with his detailed information. please advise how to do it08:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

For reference, this is about Tirthankaras#Shri Simandhar Swami. —teb728 t c 10:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


The standard advice is at Wikipedia:Your first article. Once the new article is in place, you can convert the existing name into a hyperlink by adding two square brackets on either side - for example [[David Gower]] displays as the blue link David Gower. See Help:Link for more on that. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:01, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


2)-- SAGAR   ROADLINES : NISHAR  AKBAR  — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:50, 5 April 2012 (UTC) 
Do you have a questions about editing and finding your way around Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 09:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


MInseeredian College mangalore was established in 1996 and is affiliated to Mangalore University. The College presntly offers BBM., BCA, B Com, MSW, MCom, MIB (International Business). This is the only college to offer MIB course under Mangalore University. Apart from the regular academic activities, the college promotes sports and cultural activities. The college is managed by Jyothis India Education Trust under the leadership of Dr. Jincy Jacob. The principal is Dr. Joby E C. The address of the college is Meredian College, Ullala, Mangalore - 575 020. [phone numbers removed] www.merediancollege. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

This isn't a good place to submit content for the encyclopedia. I suggest you look at Wikipedia:Your first article and perhaps use the "Article wizard". -- John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

garage music

i didnt find your article true - Not a genre of elctronic music - i first described garage as soul with a beat - there were other influences later - was originaly `after hours for hardcore, club owners and industry workers - hence sunday. - paradise club was one of the original garge crew nights. - for many years there was a small hardcore following - later jungle people wanted to come to garage - which was 1st resisted - arches club - as jungle crew thought to be not a good vibe. - so solid crew and craig david are strictly managed and not stictly underground - when they came along it went mainstream — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

This isn't the complaints department. Do you need any actual help with editing something? SpinningSpark 13:16, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

April 6


Mahendra Mohan Choudhury, former Chief Minister of Assam & also Governor of Punjab was belong to Nagaon, 10 KM east of Barpeta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:53, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

You did not a say what you wanted help with. Perhaps you want to request an article. SpinningSpark 13:11, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Do you want this information added to Mahendra Mohan Choudhury, or to Nagaon? In either case, we need a reference source verifying this assertion. Unfortunately, at this point we don't even have an article on Choudhury, although we very clearly should!!!! --Orange Mike | Talk 17:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

April 7

Is making a good faith edit then several minor edits (to correct the details) in succession okay?

I just added something to the article Largest photographs in the world and I forgot to add a few marks (with citing), which I corrected, then marked as minor edits. I want to know if editing an article several times in a few minutes is okay.


Boogie314 (talk) 11:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Three times in eight minutes is not a problem. I have sometimes given a user {{Uw-preview}} when they make dozens of edits in a row. See Help:Minor edit for what to mark as minor. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Adding a Citation

How do I add an citation to a Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. There are more details at Wikipedia:Citing sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Timothy Moxon - Wikipedia Biography

Timothy Moxon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Wikipedia Editor:

As Timothy Moxon's eldest daughter I was surprised and delighted to find this very well written biography on your site Wikipedia. Just want to point out that my father had THREE daughters not two as stated.

Also, I was wondering who the individual is that contacted Wikipedia and submitted this information on Timothy's life story? It may be an old friend, the family appreciates the effort and would like to contact them. Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

Sincerely, Judith -- (talk) 17:43, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry, but we cannot include information in a biography on Wikipedia that comes directly from family or friends. We use sources such as biographies in books and newspaper obituaries. The source for two daughters apparently comes from an obituary in the Jamaica Observer, although the article does not cite it inline. Before we could update it we would need a better source.
Wikipedia does not give out, indeed, we have no knowledge of, the personal details of our editors. The main editor of the article is User:Sealman. You can leave a message for them on their user talk page. SpinningSpark 18:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
The Jamaica Observer says he left behind two daughters when he died. Later it says a different daughter drowned long ago. I will correct the article. Thanks for notifying us. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


During the 2012 Presidential campaign, Hubbard served as the Economic Adviser for Republican Mitt Romney[1]— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Interesting, but do you have a question that you need help with?--ukexpat (talk) 21:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

April 8

April 9

User:KingOfCrime/Miss Perry

I don't know how to get the right lay-out for this page. And I also can't add pictures. I hope some of you can of be some help. Thanks a lot in advance! Best wishes, Ralf (The Netherlands). — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingOfCrime (talkcontribs) 15:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

With only one reference, if this is moved to article space it may be challenged, likely resulting in a merge & redirect to Agatha Christie bibliography#Plays; you might try including the material there directly. Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, as the manuscript's owner is reportedly coincidentally a Dutch gentleman named Ralf. Dru of Id (talk) 17:22, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Changing title of Wikipedia entry

Hi, I would like to correct the capitalization of the page for High school for Health Professions and Human Services. The "S" in school should obviously be capitalized. However, since this is the title of the page, I do not know how to change it by using the wiki edit feature. Help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to list this as my place of work on facebook but, as an English teacher, am currently too embarrassed by the error to do so. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

I have moved it to High School for Health Professions and Human Services but the article may be deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:45, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

April 10

publishing my sandbox page to the main content page

I have checked the FAQ's and I don't see a straight answer for this question. I see it asked but not answered. We are encouraged to first write on our sandbox page but I don't see how to move info from my sandbox page to a published encyclopedia page. Can anyone answer that directly? Thank you, Flyrlh (talk) 03:32, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The article James Rest already exists. You cannot therefore move your draft article into that space. You must edit the existing article in mainspace. Please make sure that anything you add is your own work and not copied from elsewhere.
To answer your direct question, articles are moved from sandbox to mainspace by using the move tab at the top of the page. However, you do not yet have this function because your account is too new so you would need administrator help to do it. If you are the only editor (and only if) of the sandbox page, it is permissable to create the page directly and paste the information in, but you do not have this abiliity either until you are a confirmed user. SpinningSpark 11:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I would have gladly moved it to James Rest (psychologist); but the draft in its present form is not ready for mainspace. The citations are not in any of the forms recommended at WP:CITE; there are no wikilinks; and the tone is promotional, verging on the hagiographical. You should read Wikipedia:My first article more carefully. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
James Rest and User:Flyrlh/sandbox are about the same person. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
By Jove, they are! Boy, is my face red. Flyrlh, the thing to do in this case is to use the material you have to improve the existing content. Keep in mind the points I made about citations, about wiki-linking, and about the requisite neutral point of view. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:48, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
In particular, please read WP:PEACOCK. --ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Manchester Central Grammar School for Boys - Alumni

I should like to add two former students at the school.

Brian Statham. Lancashire and England fast bowler.

David Griffin. Disc jockey, Radio and television presenter under the name of "Dave Lee Travis".— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Neither of the articles Brian Statham nor Dave Lee Travis contains this information, so I have not added it to Manchester Academy (Moss Side). If you have reliable sources that say that they went there, then you are welcome to add the information to their respective articles (with proper citation), and you may then add them to the alumni list. --ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Newbie Ask

Hello thank you for making me a contributor on this awesome encyclopedia, I'm very new but very willing to share my efforts in making Wikipedia better currently I'm following your guidelines on how to make edits on certain "minor errors" that I encounter. Also I'm practicing on making my very first article. However I would like to know if its possible to link a name from a disambiguation page to an that is being work upon in the practice page (sand box) or (Talk page).Lenoski (talk) 07:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

You should not add links targeted to userspace articles on disambiguation pages. In fact, it is a general rule not to create links anywhere in the mainspace to userspace. You should also not create entries on disambiguation pages where an article does not already exist. This is why you entry at David Watson has been removed. I noticed your draft sandbox article has actually been moved to Talk:Dave Watson Freerider Mountain Biking. This is a mistake so I have moved it back to your sandbox. I think probably from what you said above that you did not even realise this had happened, but in case it was deliberate please note that talk pages should not be created where no article exists.
The name you chose for the page is not compatible with WP:TITLE and MOS:DAB. The disambiguation part of the title should be as short as possible - only what is necessary to distinguish other pages of the same name. Only the first word and proper names are capitalised in titles. Something like Dave Watson (mountain biker) would be better. SpinningSpark 09:15, 10 April 2012 (UTC) modified 16:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for your quick response and the pointers as well. I was trying to get in touch with an expert but I don't know how, yes things are quite different with Wikipedia and regarding this issue I felt I was doing the advance type of editing but I was just compelled to make the change not intentional of course. Now I am confident to make the change with your guidance.Lenoski (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

If you are looking for a subject expert, you could try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cycling. They even have a Mountain biking task force, although most of its members have not been active recently. You could try asking a member directly on their talk page (check the edit history in the list of members to find someone recently active). SpinningSpark 12:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected articles

I am a autoconfirmed user, authorized to edit semi-protected Portal pages. How do I get started? Pendright (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Same way you edited this page. Hit the [edit] link. Edit, preview, and save. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, the routine procedures do not allow access to edit. Pendright (talk) 22:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Which procedures? Which page do you not have access to edit? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Portal Biography Pendright (talk) 22:58, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Portal:Biography is only semi-protected, so as a confirmed user you should be able to edit it. What message exactly are you getting? Is the edit window opening? SpinningSpark 23:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
What happens when you try to edit that portal? Please note that that page is made up of other pages transcluded into it. Although I could be completely off base, I thought maybe the problem you were having was that when you clicked edit on that page, all you were seeing was code like {{Portal:Biography/Intro}} rather than text to edit. Is that it? If so, instead of clicking edit this page at the top, click on the little white edit links in the blue borders of the frames of the portal, which will open up the pages for editing that are transcluded into it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:17, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
That did it! Thank you both. Pendright (talk) 23:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

April 11

April 12


Would anyone please be so kind and explain it to me how I can get my page show in "Search"? It does not. Very frustrating. Are there people out there? Inessaprc (talk)inessaprc —Preceding undated comment added 01:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC).

Well, you moved it to Wikipedia:Inessaprc/Sandbox (which would be a project page like the Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/questions page you're on), rather than an article, Global Humanitarian Technology Conference. Once it's moved, it would take some time for the servers to update and show in the search box, just like external search engines. As of yet, however, it is unreferenced and would quickly be challenged and probably deleted. See Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. Dru of Id (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
It's also very spammy in tone, which would also be a reason for speedy deletion.--ukexpat (talk) 13:31, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Redirects on Homepage


We are trying to figure out why the copy (Redirected from Gill foundation) appears at the top of our Wikipedia page sometimes but not other times? I have a feeling it's based on using uppper or lowercase letters but I'm not 100% on that. My other question is if there are two Gill Foundation pages out there - can we delete the one with this url: and keep the one located here: - so lose the page that has the lowercase f in Foundation? I've attached a screen grab of the copy I'm talking about.

Thank you for your help.

Will — Preceding unsigned comment added by Market2215 (talkcontribs) 17:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

The article was originally created at ~foundation, and moved to the correct ~Foundation. As the initial title is part of the editing history for licensing, it needs to remain. Any pageview may see a less-than-current copy, that's unrelated server update lag; see Wikipedia:Purge. Dru of Id (talk) 18:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that you refer to yourself as "we". Please note that for licensing purposes a Wikipedia account must only be used by one user and must not be shared, please see WP:NOSHARE. If you are connected in some way with the organisation, please also read WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI. Finally, please also note that it is not "your" Wikipedia page. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Adding an Image

How do I add our League's current logo to the page? (talk) 18:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

  • If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy.
  • If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, add [[File:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.--ukexpat (talk) 18:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

pest controll

how can i be managed to control house lizards as these creatures make my room dirty everyday

Arjya Roy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tumupucchi.roy (talkcontribs) 22:10, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia. You might get some suggestions if you ask at the Reference desk - but you have a better chance of a helpful answer if you provide more information, such as what part of the world you are in, what kind of lizards they are, and what "controlling" them would look like to you. --ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Articles for creation/Society of Esseans International

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Society of Esseans International (edit | project page | history | links | watch | logs)

I was asked for "sources" for my article on the Society of Esseans Internation, an organization of which I am the chairman of the board (as stated in the article). I do not understand why I should submit "sources". Sources of what? About what? The article should be its own source. The only relevant "source" is our organizational web site, also cited in the article. Anthony Dias Souza Chairman of the Board Society of Esseans International Souzaad (talk) 22:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Souzaad (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

You need sources primarily to establish notability. This is the basic requirement for inclusion in Wikipedia. These sources must be reliable and independant of you or your organisation. Secondly, sources are needed for verification of the facts in the article. These are fundamental content policies on Wikipedia and are not optional. I am afraid that if your ideas have not been discussed in reliable sources outside of your group then you will need to find somewhere else to post this material. SpinningSpark 00:06, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

April 13 (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you need help with something? SpinningSpark 12:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Citing a reference to someone else's article

I came across an article that had no references - Montour Railroad - and a message about improving the article by citing references, etc. I did find a website that describes a passage mentioned in the article.

While I can follow the directions to add various citations, I didn't come across something that described the policy-related stuff - such as: Am I allowed to provide a citation to the article I didn't create or materially provide content? Do "we" need to get permission from the other website first before referencing to them in Wikipedia?

Any guidance is appreciated. Thank you very much in advance.

--16:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)RobWar17 (talk)

Yes please be bold and add references to improve the article. Referencing for beginners will help with the formatting.--ukexpat (talk) 18:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

trying to correct a birthplace

I am totally new to this and I am not an accomplished internet user. I am attempting to correct and possibly add to the entry for "Mean Mike Miller". He was/is a professional wrestler, primarily in the Pacific NW. My submission to correct his real last name ( from "Millman" to "Hillman") was immediately accepted but not the correction to his birthplace, which was Bolivar, Tennessee and not Portland, Oregon. Apparently they want verification but I don't know how to do this, nor do I know how the original wrong info was accepted in the first place. I am a close personal friend of Mr. Hillman and we have shared an apt. a couple of times. Any help would be appreciated. I would also like to add new information that would be both interesting and useful to fans of Mean Mike Miller. Thank you,Robert G. Seeley (talk) 19:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Personal knowledge and recollections are nor reliable sources for Wikipedia purposes. Please take a look at WP:RS for guidance as to the kind of sources that we consider reliable.--ukexpat (talk) 19:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
If you click on the first link in the references section of the article you will see the source of most of the information. The article agrees with this source for name and birth date. There is also a book source which is not available online. SpinningSpark 20:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Just created and saved a new page, but it's not showing up on Wikipedia. Also cannot upload image.

I just tried to post a new article entitled Anne Shaw. I think it saved. I told it to save, then it had me type in a wiggly word and click Save again.

I don't see the article online.

Also, I tried to upload an image and it said I didn't have the right user level. What can I do about that?


Jerryhimself (talk) 21:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It's currently at User:Jerryhimself/sandbox; it's upload and your post here are your only two edits. Dru of Id (talk) 21:55, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
To upload an image to Wikipedia you need to be confirmed or autoconfirmed. Autoconfirmed takes 4 days and 10 edits so you will be autoconfirmed in a little under 4 days if you make 8 more edits. But if you are looking at uploading an image of Anne Shaw who you are creating an article about, the best place to upload it would be at the Commons. That is our free image repository and an image of a living person are almost always replaceable so per our rules that must be a free image. GB fan 22:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
The article is sadly lacking in references to reliable sources and reads more like a resumé than an encyclopedia article. It is littered with phrases like "Ms. Shaw is continually researching, and makes every effort to keep her workshops as up to date as possible" and "Anne Shaw is proud of her prominent, international Advisory Board members for 21st Century Schools" which are definitely not encyclopedic. In short, it is nowhere near ready for mainspace and I strongly advise not trying to post it there. SpinningSpark 00:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

April 14

What kind of disambiguation to use

I am attempting to create my first article on a musician. There is a politician with the same name who already has a wikipedia article published. I'm unsure what kind of disambiguation to use; should one of them should be the primary article or something different...?
Thanks and cheers,
Rainiara (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

It depends whether one of them is particular well-known or famous. For instance Jack the Ripper goes straight to the article about the serial killer with other meanings in a disambiguation page indicated by a hatnote. If there were only one other meaning then the disambiguation page would not have been needed - only the hatnote. You have not said who you are writing about, but it is unlikely to be such a clear-cut example. The safest thing to do if there is doubt (for fear of annoying other editors) is to leave the existing article at the main title and add a hatnote to it leading to the new article. If there are more than two or three people with the same name and none have a decent claim to the main title, then the main title should be the disambiguation page. Just think about what is most useful for a reader trying to find the right article. SpinningSpark 08:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response! The current article Eric Stern is a stub and most of its links are broken. It seems as though this would be a case for making the main title the disambiguation page? Rainiara (talk) 08:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

That would be fine, although hatnotes are probably more common for just two articles. Be sure to read the guideline WP:MUSIC before creating an article on a musician. A very large number of such articles get deleted for insufficient notability. SpinningSpark 08:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Trial paper

I want to ask for reading and critiques... "Nullspeeds in General Relativity" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncutssss (talkcontribs) 18:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Your version in Articles for Creation has no inline references; in your sandbox, you've placed them inline, but could format them better by following Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. Dru of Id (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Your formatting also needs some work. Take a look at Wikipedia:Cheatsheet, especially the bit about indenting. Help:Displaying a formula will probably also interest you. SpinningSpark 23:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

April 15

Creating a template

Is there anything special you need to do in order to create a new template? Or is it just as simple as creating the template page and hope nobody puts it up for deletion? Face-blush.svg -Laniala (talk) 12:51, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

No there is nothing special about creating it, it is just another page. The only thing special about the template namespace is that, when transcluding pages, the template namespace will be assumed if no namespace is specified. We can advise you better on whether it is likely to be deleted if you tell us exactly what you are trying to do. SpinningSpark 13:23, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the answer Face-smile.svg. The template I'm wanting to create is this btw: User:Laniala/Image label marker. Some usage experimenting here. -Laniala (talk) 14:17, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't think that is a problem, but have you considered instead improving {{Image label}} which seems to do much the same thing. You would, of course, have to consider any effect that might have on legacy uses. SpinningSpark 01:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed that there`is an incorrect photo on a page

I have noticed that there`is an incorrect photo on a page. I am no expert or experienced computer user i just wanted to report it to someone. The page is 'Jasminum polyanthum' ( - the photo beside the title is a different plant 'Carissa macrocarpa' ( I tried to find a simple link to somewhere to report this and no where does it simply say who/where/how to notify someone if you see an error. So I will send this and hope please that you will pass it onto the right place (talk) 16:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

The usual place to discuss improvements to an article is the talk page of the article itself. I have copied your comments there. Hopefully, an editor of the page will pick it up. Otherwise, mention it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants. SpinningSpark 17:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

April 16

I created an article on " Stefan Pichler"

Stefan Pichler (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

But I don t know what to do to get it published ? It is now under review because of missing copyrights, but I don t know how to get rid of the reference which might violate the copyrights ? Can anyone pls help me to get my article released/published ?

Sorry, I am a Wikipedia dummy...

Michael Stoll — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelstoll (talkcontribs) 12:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The page has been blanked because of suspected copyright violations. You must not copy the text from other websites, but rather write in your own words. The page will be reviewed by an administrator with experience of copyright problems in due course, and they will make a decision on whether or not to permanently delete it. It has nothing to do with referencing as you seem to think - copying the works of others is still copyright violation whether or not you cite it in the references. In the meantime, you can help your case by rewriting the suspect passages. SpinningSpark 15:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

O Canada - first performance

Please note that was first performed by the regimental band of 'Les Voltigeurs de Quebec', a unit of the Canadian Armed Forces Army Reserve. Thank you, John W. Richmond67.68.36.251 (talk) 13:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[2]

Do you have a more specific citation for that - better details of the book, page number etc?--ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

April 17

Richest TV personality

who are the richest TV personality in the world?07:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. —teb728 t c 07:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
This article [1] is your most likely answer. Dru of Id (talk) 12:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Oprah! :D HanhRs (talk) 14:25, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Seafarers' Trust

Hello I need some help. I have edited my first wikipedia page. The address is'_Trust. Unfortunately this is my old page that has not been updated. My updated page is this If I seek for the page in google(itf seafrers trust) the first one appears, if I check it on wiki the second one. Anyway once I log in both became the same, like the updated one. I need just the updated page, the one with the logo. Please help me Luca1777 (talk) 10:59, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

ITF Seafarers' Trust (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
You could try bypassing your browser cache - that's Ctrl-F5 in several browsers - to see if that fixes the problem. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:40, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Any other suggestion, can i simply cancel the first page version and just keep the second one? (talk) 09:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

There aren't two different pages (so when you tried to blank the page your edit was reverted as possible vandalism). The problem of seeing old versions of a page while not logged in is a known one; did you try clearing the cache as suggested above? - David Biddulph (talk) 10:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Translating an existing article

When embarking on translating an existing article into another language, should a separate article be created or should the translation be included as part of 'editing' the existing article? Notification in talk page would be appreciated Ranaaziz (talk) 11:56, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The translated article should be created in the Wikipedia for the target language. See this list for all the available language versions.--ukexpat (talk) 13:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
There is a guideline at WP:TRANSLATE. SpinningSpark 08:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Help on putting pictures on wikipedia

Carl Barbier (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I want to put a picture on my grandfather's wikipedia (Judge Carl Barbier) but I don't know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

The first thing you will need to do is to create an account and edit for awhile. Anonymous and brand-new registered users cannot upload pictures. You'll need to register and then have at least 10 edits over a period of not less than 4 days. The second thing that will need to be resolved is the question of the source of the photo. Who took it? Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
If the photo has already been published and is available online, you could consider posting a link to the reference on the article talk page, where a user who is already autoconfirmed may assist you. Dru of Id (talk) 23:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Another issue is the licensing of the photo: The photographer needs to license it under a license that permits reuse by anyone for anything. And if you did not take the photo yourself, you need to document the license as described at WP:COPYREQ. Since such a free license is required for photo of a living person, you can upload to Commons, where the 10 edit, 4 day restriction does not apply. —teb728 t c 23:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Here is a link to the Commons upload form. Just follow the instructions there. SpinningSpark 00:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

April 18

Submission help

How do I delete a submission and resubmit it without having to write all the code which I do not understand? Souzaad (talk) 03:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to delete it. You can edit the page at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Society of Esseans International, then when it is ready to submit you can use the link in the box at the top of the page where it says:
  • When the submission is ready to be re-submitted, click here and press the Save page button to request a new review.
You don't, however, seem to have done anything in response to the reply you had to the question you asked here several days ago, nor to the similar question you asked at the AFC help desk. David Biddulph (talk) 04:02, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Of the nine pages currently available online, two involve your submission on Wikipedia, two are your own website, and the remainder are blog posts, none of which establish notability as they do not constitute indepth coverage by independent reliable sources; if such coverage exists offline, at least two references would need to be included to establish notability for your organizaton. Dru of Id (talk) 04:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

April 19

corrections to existing article

Dear Editors,

We are public relations team with Mongolian Stock Exchange. As a part of our effort to increase public awareness of MSE on international stage, we are reviewing all information available on WWW. We would like to edit Wiki MSE article, but it gets deleted everytime we update it. Could you please provide us with a guideline how to complete this task.

Thank you!

MSEPMD (talk) 03:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Please read WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI. In brief, please use the article's talk page to discuss your proposed changes to the article, providing reliable sources that can be reviewed by other users. Please also note that a user account cannot be used by more than one person.--ukexpat (talk) 03:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

April 20

Commons login

I can login to Wikipedia, but Commons doesn't recognize my username/password. Keeps telling I have an invalid username/password. Is there some secret handshake that I am missing? I use Firefox and cookies are enabled. Hmarin (talk) 03:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

You asked this at this Help Desk thread, but I suggest we continue here because the other thread will disappear into the archives soon.
Each Wikipedia project, such as Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, has its own list of account names. Usually this isn't a problem, because as soon as new user XYZ visits project ABC for the first time, account XYZ is automatically created on project ABC - new users won't normally realise that there are separate user lists.
Accounts that have been registered for a while don't benefit from this automatically, until the user visits the page Special:MergeAccount and follows the instructions there. Do this now. Once done, whenever you vist a new project the "Hmarin" account will be created there for you.
BUT this won't work for you when you vist Wikimedia Commons or the Spanish Wikipedia. If you look at this "sulinfo" report, you'll see that someone created accounts named "Hmarin" on those projects years ago, but never made an edit. This stops the software transferring your account on to those projects.
Because the "Hmarin" account on Commons is old and inactive, a "bureaucrat" will be happy to rename that account so that you can use the name instead. This is called "usurpation". The page to request this is at Commons, Commons:Commons:Changing username.
That's not a page or process that I am familiar with, so I'll stop writing at this point. If you have trouble using Special:MergeAccount or with the "Changing username" process, post back here and someone will give you more advice. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Making a Stand Alone Page and Linked from another Page

To Whom It May Concern,

I am hoping to make a stand alone Wikipedia page for Series 8 X Factor Contestant Janet Devlin. I am aware of the notability criteria but would put forward that the millions of youtube hits amongst other things would make a Janet Devlin page most appropriate. I am currently in the process of making the article in my sandbox. I would really appreciate any help from other editors on this. Many thanks for your time. Gortinsheep (talk) 11:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Youtube is not generally considered a reliable source for the purposes of establishing notability. Popularity does not necessarily equate to notability. You need to find newspaper and magazine sources for this - try google news. You should also read WP:ONEEVENT, which might apply in this case, before creating an article. SpinningSpark 12:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for your informative response. I read the article you suggested and there does appear to be quite grey areas. I believe that Janet Devlin does satisfy the notability requirement. She is also due to enter the recording studios and is on the verge of signing a recording deal. She also has appeared in a number of Newspaper/Magazine articles, finished 5th in XFactor, leading the public vote on most weeks. and more. In the meantime, i will collate all the resources and build the article in my sandbox. I would really appreciate your feedback once its finished, so that I can post the standalone Janet Devlin page live if it satisfies all the necessary requirements. thanks again and would appreciate some help with this,as I am a novice. Gortinsheep (talk) 13:42, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

When you think you have an acceptable article, you can ask for someone at WP:EAR to look it over for you. Another Wikipedia guideline (we have lots of them) which is relevant to you is WP:MUSIC. There are many things that need addressing in your sandbox article, but the most serious of them, which stops it being moved to mainspace, is the lack of citations. When you find find some, WP:CITE will help you to format them. SpinningSpark 16:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your very informative response. I shall read carefully the directions you mentioned and have taken on board what you have said. Once again, many thanks for your kind and very helpful advice. Gortinsheep (talk) 20:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

missing a new created article

In year 2011 i have translated and created the new englisch version "LeRoy and Pictet" of german article "LeRoy und Pictet" at new user on english site of wikipedia. But after creating i have not more find this article. Would you please help me find this article and switch on it in the wikipedia? Tahnk you very mutch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess you refer to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/LeRoy and Pictet. You had another IP address at the time and was notified at User talk: PrimeHunter (talk) 20:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Frankly, the "translation" is so poor as to make the text incomprehensible. It looks like a bad machine translation. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

April 21

high calorific value

HCV = LCV + 0.9 x% weight of hydrogen x latent heat of water — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

This page is for help with using or editing Wikipedia. What is it that you want help with? --ColinFine (talk) 08:41, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

how can I edit an article of wikipedia

I want to edit an article entitled "calorific value" present in Wikipedia. But I am enable so please guide me for the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

"Calorific value" has been redirected to Heat of combustion. Dru of Id (talk) 07:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
See Help:Editing. It should make no difference whether or not you arrived at the page through a redirect. SpinningSpark 09:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


For a woman after marge which is the surname husband name — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

If you mean how to write her name in Wikipedia articles then see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies. If you mean something else then please clarify. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

April 22

Ryhor Baradulin

Hello, I am new to editing Wikipedia. So, today I translated an article about a living person into English, which also exists in several other languages. Later on I received a notification saying my article will be deleted because it does not have any references. Why references if I only translated the article, I did not write it myself? PearCloud (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Because the English language Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy requires that BLP articles be sourced; not 'Someone said so (in another language). I read it online, it must be true.', but published coverage by independent reliable sources which any reader can verify for themselves. Dru of Id (talk) 02:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

April 23

How to add links to the soundtracks.

I wish to add soundcloud links to the soundtracks. how can i do this ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

This is the page for helping Wikipedia editors to write the encyclopedia. However, we do have an article on SoundCloud and there is a link to their site at the bottom. SpinningSpark 19:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Chloritis vanbruggeni --- Stolen by Maassen

Chloritis vanbruggeni W. J. M. Maassen, 2009 was not the agreeded name.It was snet to Maassen to be written up and Maassen changed the name, so in reality Maassen is a "THIEF " — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:19, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

If you can provide reliable sources to support this assertion, then please feel free to add the information the the article Chloritis vanbruggeni. However, please avoid using non-neutral words such as "THIEF"; since Wim Maassen is still alive, this would be in breach of our policy on materials concerning living people. Yunshui  12:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a question? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Public Sector Banks in India

why not IDBI is included under the heading public sector banks in India? Tirthankar Mukhopadhyay — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

IDBI Bank is not only included on the list of Public sector banks in India but also has its own article. SpinningSpark 19:35, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

April 24

Deleting History

Hi! I am brand new to Wikipedia and wan t to know how to erase the search history after I've searched for info so anyone else logging into Wikipedia from the same computer cannot see what was previously searched for/viewed.

Thanks (talk) 01:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not record your search history in any way. Any search history retained by your web browser would need to be cleared in the standard manner for that web browser. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
You can ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Remember to say which browser it is. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

A PHP download gets in the way

After a long absence from editing Wikipedia pages, I am looking for an answer to an access problem to editing. Specifically when I click on "Edit This Page" the action downloads a PHP file called "Index.php". I was expecting to see the editing process demonstrated on this page. I'm on a Mac (10.7.3) and have no expertise in PHP. How can I get access to the "normal" editing routines as demonstrated on this page? If there's something on this Mac that needs to be disabled in order to do that, I'd appreciate appropriate tips.

Thank you.

Morley Chalmers (talk) 00:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

How did you edit this page? Someguy1221 (talk) 00:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I found a form which allowed the posting of my comment above. However, when I click on any "edit this page" link, the Article tab remains in place and a PHP file titled "Index.php" is downloaded. Sorry if I did not make that explicitly clear.

Other than adding these comments, I am not able to gain access to editing functions for any Wikipedia page.

Morley Chalmers (talk) 20:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

"index.php" is one of the files that is sent to your computer when you click the edit button, but I have no idea why your browser would stop there. I'm going to ask this at WP:VPT. Hopefully someone there will know the answer. Someguy1221 (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Also, you said you're using a mac, but what browser are you using? Someguy1221 (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Does the same problem affect you when you're logged out? - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 22:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
It's probably the preference "Use external editor by default (for experts only, needs special settings on your computer", as mentioned below in #This is infuriating. It gives exactly this error if the browser is not configured for it. There is no reason for WP:VPT unless Morley Chalmers says the preference is disabled. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

As noted below in "This is infuriating" by going to Wikipedia's Special:Preferences — Editing pane, then unchecking the "external editor" option that instantly renders direct access to "normal" editing functions. Much thanks.

Morley Chalmers (talk) 17:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

This is infuriating

Any and all Wikipedia pages behave in the same odd way for me. Click on "Edit This Page" and a PHP file is downloaded. I do not go into Edit mode! I've tried various modification keys when clicking on the "edit this page" tab. Same result, a tiny PHP file is downloaded, every time.

I'm on a Mac (10.7.3). The download files are all called "Index.php" and absolutely nothing happens when I double click them. All I know is that this behaviour is not what's described in Wikipedia's editing tutorial.

A few years ago I performed various edits successfully. Could it be my account has been blocked from editing? Or perhaps some PHP oddity is in this Mac to trigger this effect?

(And if you're wondering how I got to post what's here, I did it by clicking a link to post a question. The above is my question.)

Help to resolve this issue gratefully requested.

Morley Chalmers (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I searched the technical section of the village pump, and found this section...does that look similar to the problem you are experiencing? If so, go to Special:Preferences and click on "Editing" to see if the "Use an external editor" option is activated, like it was for this user. Let me know if this fixed your problem or not. Robert Skyhawk (T C) 03:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

That solved it. Took me a moment or two to realize you meant Wikipedia's Special:Preferences — Editing panel, not Safari's Preferences. Unchecking that field had instant positive results. Much thanks. That solved it.

Morley Chalmers (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, I'm glad I was able to help. Robert Skyhawk (T C) 02:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Definitions and copywrite.

Hello, i am from Estonian wikipedia. In there has been several discussions and it seems to be generally agreed, that it is agreeable to write definition word by word, when its 1-2 sentences. Since definitions are special case (it fallows certain rules, rewording might be impossible without lessening its quality etc). Thou it is suggested to avoid it, its still often not considered copywriting in Estonian wiki (ofcourse there is allways arguing). I did it in english wikipedia since i did not find answer to this question. I would like to know it, and probably foward the answer to Estonian wiki.--MärgRätik (talk) 09:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I looked at Biomanipulation. English language Wikipedia tries not to have separate articles that are just the definition of a word. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Dru of Id (talk) 09:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Hydrobiology is suprisingly weak in English wiki, not to say shockingly weak (for its size) and you have to start somewhere. The question is, what is the policy of definition copying word by word when it is short. Can you copy paste definition from anywhere, or does it have to bee free source? Since some definitions cant be made short etc. I see what you mean by not a dictionary. Estonian wikipedia has ALOT of one sentence articles, since its much smaller and only about 20 people who are reguraly active. I retract my plan to do anything in english wiki outside from discussions anyways.--MärgRätik (talk) 09:46, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
There is no minimum number of words that can be copyright. You would probably be ok with a definition which has a generally accepted set-phrase form, or if there is really no other way of simply expressing the idea in English. It is also ok if it comes from a public domain source such as US federal government documents, as long as the source is clear in the article. We have special templates for such cases such as Template:FS1037C. In other cases it is best to use your own words. SpinningSpark 11:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
There was an interesting article in The Register on this. I was going to link it in my previous post but couldn't immediately find it. SpinningSpark 12:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

April 25

Adding a Photo


How do you edit a page and add a photo to it?

18:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

First, you have to upload the photograph. If it has a free licence you can upload it to Commons, the Commons upload wizard is here. If you took the photograph yourself you can licence it yourself. If it came from someone else or the internet, you need to first get their permission. Once you have uploaded it you write in the article [[File:<name of picture>|thumb|<description>]] at the place where you want it to appear. <name of picture> is the name you gave it on Commons and <description> is the caption you want to see underneath it. SpinningSpark 22:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

April 26

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chicken Boy

Hi. This page has a gray "Article Not Submitted for Review" box above my article. And a yellow "Review Waiting" box below my article. The gray ANSFR box is marking off the time correctly, but the yellow RW box is stuck on one day.

I do want my article to be submitted and reviewed. Is it in the queue?

Thanks. Marilyn Nix (talk) 07:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)marilyn

Oh it is ok - our bot which does the cleanup is sadly down, but your submission is still in queue waiting for a review. Sorry, this can take a bit longer because we are heavily backlogged. Regards, mabdul 09:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Mabdul replied before I finished typing, but here is my answer also.
You are on the third page of the queue which means there are about 400 articles in front of yours by date. There does seem to be a problem with the templates, but I don't know what it is. I have left a note on the Project talk page. Frankly, you should now be an autoconfirmed user so you have the ability to move the article into mainspace yourself. After it is moved, other editors may place templates on the article to guide you if they find problems, and if you still want a review you can ask at a relevant wikiproject such as Wikipedia:WikiProject California or Wikipedia:WikiProject Los Angeles. SpinningSpark 09:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the info! Marilyn Nix (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)marilyn

To follow up on the above question about reviewing: How do I move the article into the mainspace myself? Marilyn Nix (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)marilyn

Just click the "Move" tab at the top of your screen, and move it to Chicken Boy (but without the square brackets). --Orange Mike | Talk 19:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

So, Talk do i keep Wkipedia Talk in the pull-down menu or set it to something else? Thanks. Marilyn Nix (talk) 19:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)marilyn

When you move the article, you reset the title to simply Chicken Boy. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:55, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
You change "Wikipedia talk" to "(Article)" and "Articles for creation/Chicken Boy" to "Chicken Boy" without the quotes. The move form was changed not long ago and Orange Mike may not have gotten used to it yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

cyclamen persicum

Is it permissible to add a warning about a plant. I was given one cyclamen persicum plant a few years ago. Now my yard in Eugene, Oregon, has been taken over by this plant and crowded out other plants. I'd like to warn that cyclamen persicum can become invasive, particularly in shaded areas. This is based only on my experience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edeebr (talkcontribs) 21:19, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Only if you can find a reliable source that supports your experience.--ukexpat (talk) 21:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Omission in listing of schools

In the listing of Schools in CT, there is an omission of Christian Heritage School in Trumbull, CT. CHS has been around for 36 years and is fully accredited through the NEASC (New England Association of Schools and Colleges), and has a student population of around 500. It offers over 22 Honors and AP level courses. Is there any way to include this in the chart? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:32, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Checking... Christian Heritage School (Connecticut). Dru of Id (talk) 01:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
It's in List of high schools in Connecticut near the bottom; did you mean a different article? Dru of Id (talk) 01:05, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Wrong high school attributed in profile

My profile lists I graduated from John F. Kennedy HS in 1967; however, Facebook states this high school is in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. My "Kennedy" HS was, and still is, in Taylor, Michigan. This school was dedicated to President Kennedy in 1964, I believe. Verification would be through Taylor, Michigan's school district. How can I get this corrected on my profile page? Can I be notified on my talk page? (talk) 20:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Who are you, and what is the title of the article about you (it is not a profile)?--ukexpat (talk) 20:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
All of the listed alumni at John F. Kennedy High School (Cedar Rapids, Iowa) show residence there, with no obvious outstanding incoming links. I think your solution may lie with Facebook. Dru of Id (talk) 11:32, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit not appearing in article

I made an edit to an article yesterday. My changes are showing OK when I view the article after I have signed in but the changes are missing if I view the article without signing in. What do I need to do to get may changes to appear correctly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marosc9 (talkcontribs) 09:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

You did not say which edit to which article. All your edits from yesterday seem to be visible both logged-in and not logged-in as far as I can see. Try bypassing your browser's cache. SpinningSpark 09:55, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Or try purging the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

April 28

Creating a page for Eggbert

Frequently, when I search on Google, Wikipedia results appear for almost anything and everything that I care to think of, until recently.

When searching for the collectable item known as "Eggbert", the only Wikipedia result was for the PC CDROM game known as Speedy Eggbert. Even as a keen PC game player, I have never heard of this game- other than on ebay -and yet the Eggbert characters by Malcolm Bowmer consist of over 400 items- including a range intended exclusively for the USA- released over a period of around 10 years or more, before being discontinued.

I would like to consider creating a page for Eggbert, but having looked through the Wikipedia rules and guidance, it seems that this is not considered important enough for inclusion- and yet Speedy Eggbert is!

Also, I would note that much of the information to be included would be sourced- at first- from the Collectors' Club magazine, although I believe that it would be possible to verify at least some of the information from other sources not directly connected with the company or the item's creator, Malcolm.

Can someone please advise before I try to compile information from the sources I have available.


Mr Ed4010 (talk) 07:54, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

The policy at issue here would be WP:Notability which is the major criterion for the existence of an article on Wikipedia. To establish notability you must show that the subject has "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Here "significant" means more than a passing mention or listing, there must be some depth to the discussion. A quick gbooks search turned up only one result, which is a little light. However, the article does give another reference at the bottom and you may well have access to some more so I would say this has potential as an article.
On the question of using the manufacturer's material as a source, this should only be done with caution, and only after notability has already been established through indepenent sources. They can be used for uncontroversial factual material that they can be expected to be authoritative on, such as production figures. They should not be used for opinions (except where the article might be discussing the maker's opinion) and any hint of marketing hype should certainly be avoided.SpinningSpark 10:13, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

April 29

  1. ^ Weisman, Jonathan. "Romney's Economists: Brains but Also Controversy". Wall Street Journal. 
  2. ^ Regimental history of Les Voltigeurs de Quebec