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January 19[edit]

Rotating images[edit]

Hello, I uploaded an image to use in an article I am writing (the Evangelical Heritage Version), however when I uploaded it, it was sideways. I also uploaded another copy of the image (from a different camera, because I wasn't sure which would be better for quality, and I thought that the second one would have the correct orientation). I would appreciate it if someone would rotate one of them (whichever you think would be a better image), because I won't be able to for a few days. You can find the images here and here. Thanks! Jap2.0 (talk) 02:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I uploaded a new version at File:Evangelical Heritage Version, New Testament and Psalms.jpg. Note that I have also reduced the size. Non-free images should be below 0.1 megapixels. The other image will probably be deleted, since it will not be used. nagualdesign 02:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay, thanks a lot! Jap2.0 (talk) 03:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome. I also placed the image in the infobox at Evangelical Heritage Version. As an aside, you may find MOS:LINK useful. Happy editing! nagualdesign 03:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Editing while logged out[edit]

While there doesn't seem to be anything in the guidelines to prevent users from editing while logged out (WP:LOGGEDOUT says it's "not usually an egregious issue"), what are the rules on seemingly nice administrators signing out then getting all arsey with other users, Jekyll and Hyde style? And what sort of efforts can be made to combat this kind of behaviour, if necessary? As a non-admin I have only limited tools and unconfirmed suspicions, and I'm not sure if it's fair to even suggest a connection (I hesitated for several hours before deciding to post this), but if my suspicions turn out to be correct then I think it's only right that I report it. nagualdesign 02:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia was mostly written by IP editors. I hope you will come to understand; please read Wikipedia:IPs are human too. Anons are utterly vital to the health of the project.
There is nothing inherently wrong with anon editing. But if you think someone is abusing that - logging out to deceive - report them at WP:SPI. Especially if it's an admin. (talk) 03:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware that IP editors are human and provide a valuable contribution to the project (though I reject the claim that Wikipedia was mostly written by IP editors). This has nothing to do with that, nor does it have anything to do with sock puppetry, and WP:SPI requires clear evidence. nagualdesign 03:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
You reject a true claim then. You should do some research before making such incredibly wrong statements. Most of the edits to this project have been, and still are, made by anonymous IPs. As for your suspicions. This is certainly not the place to be casting such aspersions. Even if you don't name names. If you have proof of such things you can contact ArbCom. It is HIGHLY recommended that you do not take such a step with only vague suspicions. --Majora (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Calm down. First, I was expressing an opinion based on my own experience, and making such "incredibly wrong statements" isn't a big deal. As to the point of this, I didn't come here to cast aspersions, I came here seeking help. And as a non-admin it isn't within my power to prove anything. I just want to know whether it's worth raising a flag, and how I might do that. nagualdesign 03:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm perfectly calm. Reading emotions into words on a screen doesn't really work well. And again, if you have proof of such things WP:ARBCOM is where you would go. --Majora (talk) 03:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Extrapolating 248 edits to the entire project over 15+ years is both misleading and disingenuous. Nice, not pulling over the entire caption by the way. But IP/Registered editor edits was never really the purpose of this thread was it? Your question has been answered. --Majora (talk) 03:46, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm not really interested in discussing who does the most legwork here, to be honest. nagualdesign 03:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) First, it's not allowed to report an administrator to SPI. There are instruction at SPI telling you what to do if you want to report an administrator. Second, I'd like to see some actual statistics about how many edits are - or have been - made by IPs vs. registered accounts. Even if such stats exist, what's most important is how many of the edits by IPs have been constructive vs. how many by registered accounts. That would require a helluva lot more work because it would require more than the collection of numbers but someone making what can be a subjective determination. As an aside, a named account can be just as anonymous as an IP; however, they are more accountable.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:43, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay, that's kind of helpful. So, moving away from whether IP editors do more or less work than signed-in users, where can I report this? And if you don't think I should then please let me know. Cheers. nagualdesign 03:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
If you suspect sock puppetry by an administrator, or if you need to submit off-wiki evidence for some other reason, you must email the CheckUser team to open an investigation. Private information, emails, logs, and other sensitive evidence must not be posted on Wikipedia. All evidence related to a sockpuppet investigation must otherwise be posted on the designated page. (talk) 05:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

As I've already said, this doesn't have anything to do with sock puppetry. Anyway, I think I'll just leave it there for the time being as I suspect that it'll probably be more trouble than it's worth. nagualdesign 05:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Signing out and posting as an IP in the same area is a type of socking. (talk) 06:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I know it is. This isn't that. nagualdesign 06:21, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Ah - your original post actually mentioned "administrators signing out then getting all arsey with other users". Are we now on a different tack? (talk) 07:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
No. If an admin is nice and helpful when signed it (Dr Jekyll) then, when signed out, goes around being less than civil (Mr Hyde) without committing sock puppetry, I think that's problematic. One might assume that when this person doesn't feel like being civil he/she chooses not to sign in, as if that gives them a license to act all arsey because there will be no real repercussions. Anyhoo, like I said, I'm not going to push this any further. The inanity of WP:BOOMERANG, which fails to differentiate between good faith reporting and deliberate timewasting, leaves me reluctant to bother. nagualdesign 07:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
If they're editing in the same areas, that's sock puppetry. If they're not, who cares.
If you're worried about your own reputation, contact a CU/OS via email. If we can't trust them, then we're all fucked.
But personally, I do trust CU/OS'ers. (talk) 07:38, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
To answer a narrow question here, a user who does good edits while logged in and does bad edits while logged out is violating the sockpuppetry policy, regardless of if they're editing in the same area or not. See WP:GHBH. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • One alternative to the method in the SPI instructions is to e-mail ArbCom.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that's already been suggested, but I didn't think SPI applied until Ivan pointed out GHBH. Still, I have no concrete evidence anyway, to be fair. nagualdesign 20:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Layout weirdness[edit]

I'm an experienced editor, more accustomed to helping others than asking for help... but for the life of me I cannot figure out why the article Bangladeshi rock keeps all the section headers in order, but the body of the section "Popular bands of Bangladesh" appears underneath "References". I tried adding a {{clear}} tag on the end of the section, to no avail. What is causing this? ~Anachronist (talk) 03:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Fixed it. The table wasn't closed properly. I changed |-} to |} and it looks fine now. nagualdesign 03:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Ah. I missed the presence of one tiny hyphen. Thanks. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
It was pretty average-sized as hyphens go. Face-wink.svg nagualdesign 07:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Never forget, the great Mexican-American War vs Mexican–American War of 2011 (talk) 07:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Inform you about 4G joining with Wiki and my Company.[edit]

Dear, There My company is access 4G because 4G I have been created for along since 2014 and I have web for making it access, so I contact you for it and making it access become as company. It is ACS Cisco4G Co.,Ltd and It's website is for accessing Internetworking and Networking. There Kindly help us for making them access. Thank you. Best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarinyuok101200265 (talkcontribs) 09:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

You'll need to ask the question again in English, but if you are trying to write an article about your company the short answer is "No", but the long answer is at WP:Conflict of interest and WP:Paid editing (the latter including mandatory requirements). --David Biddulph (talk) 09:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Wrong Spelling and Location of my Town[edit]


Wrong Title: Abi, Cross River

Right Title: Abbi, Uzo-Uwani

While going through Google Map, I observed that my TOWN (Abbi) was misspelt. "Abi" was used in place of "Abbi" missing a "B". Also, the location it is located at is not Cross River (which is a state in Nigeria) but UZO-UWANI (a Local Government Area in ENUGU STATE). This wrong spelling and location has made it impossible to rightly locate some necessary things in my Town. I appreciate if the title can be changed from "Abi, Cross River" to "Abbi, Uzo-Uwani" which is a Town. Thank you.

These appear to be two separate towns, about 130km apart as the crow flies, or 215km by road. Abi, Cross River is about 130km ESE of Onitsha, whilst Abbi, Uzo-Uwani (which Google maps spells with just one b) is about 60km NNE of Onitsha. - Arjayay (talk) 14:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
The article was about Abi, Cross River until 16 July 2017, when someone hi-jacked the article by over-writing the content to cover Abbi, Uzo-Uwani. I have reverted to the version before it was over-written. An article about Abbi, Uzo-Uwani needs to be started from new. - Arjayay (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)‎
@Arjayay: instead of writing the article from new, we can history-split the existing article. See the history in a few minutes. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Okay, the two towns now have separate articles: see Abi, Cross River and Abi, Uzo-Uwani. If Abbi is a common spelling of the name, it would be proper to create redirects at Abbi, Cross River and Abbi, Uzo-Uwani. Let us know if you need help with that. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

What's up with wikibuff? That is, ? It looks like wikipedia but redirects to advertisements.[edit]

What's up with wikibuff? That is, ? It looks like wikipedia but on some clicks it redirects to advertisements. Is anyone in wikipedia "management" aware of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

So it does! That's really wierd. Even the "articles" still have their history- it's like the whole database has been lifted! >SerialNumber54129...speculates 13:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
It also tries to make you "log in" to Wikipedia by giving them your username and password. DuncanHill (talk) 13:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
It even has a helpdesk[1] with this very question... Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Except that it can't be edited.Access proxy is blocked. Winged BladesGodric 13:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I have reported the website as a phishing website using the feedback function on my browser. I have also emailed security AT to describe the problem to them. DuncanHill (talk) 14:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • If anyone has clicked on a link that redirected you to an advertisement, you might be infected with Malware or a virus, probably coinhive. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Sources for editing[edit]

What kind of sources can I use for editing articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyupant (talkcontribs) 13:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

WP:RELIABLE should help? Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Saving Drafts[edit]

Is there a way that I can save a draft?

Thanks Ellie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muzungusisters (talkcontribs) 16:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@Muzungusisters: Hello,if you have created a page in draftspace (I.e. the page name is something like Draft:Article name) then if you click 'publish' at the bottom of the draft this will save it. Do not worry that it will publish it to the encyclopedia, the publish button used to read 'save' but was changed recently which has caused some confusion. Good luck. Come back here if you need more help. Eagleash (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)



How do I change a logo on a football club page to the correct one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milliekinloch (talkcontribs) 16:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

It might help if you told us which football club and what you think the logo ought to be, but essentially you edit the page and where it says File:Rovers United FC logo.png (or whatever) you change it to File:Rovers United FC new logo.png (or whatever), assuming that the new logo is available on Commons (Try searching). nagualdesign 19:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
...Oh wait, I see. Gimme a few minutes and I can sort that out for you. nagualdesign 19:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Thar she blows. I cleaned up the logo and edited the markup. We don't use |thumb in infoboxes. Interesting how they've gone from what looked like a kangaroo to a rampant horse to a rampant.. some sort of big cat? They'll be changing it to a dragon next. nagualdesign 20:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Um, that's a non-free image. It'll get deleted from Commons. I'll move it to enwiki before that happens. Black Kite (talk) 23:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I've only just spotted this. Thanks, Black Kite. nagualdesign 00:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Bean to Bar Chocolate Manufacturers[edit]

Would a bean to bar chocolate manufacturing company in Mishawaka, Indiana be able to be added to this list? They craft their own chocolates and sell via their web site and on Amazon. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tme123 (talkcontribs) 18:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@Time123: If the company passes Wikipedia's rather stringent rules on notability and has sufficient in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources (see WP:GNG) then the company may qualify for an article. Please note that Wikipedia is not a place to advertise products etc. nor is it a directory. Eagleash (talk) 19:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

about references[edit]

Hi! Could you please tell me if we need to repeat the references in the article or if we mentioned a reference once it is enough?)Eugenialiutaya (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@Eugenialiutaya: Once is not enough, if there are multiple statements that need the reference. Check out WP:REFB for guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 22:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • When you do use the same reference more than once, you can (and usually should) tell the system to point both locations in the article to the same reference in the reflist. See the section on that same page, at WP:REFB#Same_reference_used_more_than_once. -Arch dude (talk) 01:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

clayton-le-moors lancashire[edit]

dear sir.

I attended MOUNT PLEASANT SCHOOL in Clayton between 1948 to 1958. One of the pupils was called JACK SIMMONS he went on to be o professional cricketer. WHEN HE RETIRED HE WAS MENTION IN THE PAPERS. He is the only person from our school to get mentioned and i think he has earned a place be mentioned in your in your history of Clayton. He is as good as the ones you have mentioned i think he is worth more then those .


John Brooke retired. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JOHN BROOKE (talkcontribs) 22:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Greetings from Earby! Face-smile.svg Thanks for your input. As you can see, Jack Simmons is already mentioned at the top of Clayton-le-Moors#Notable people, so you're right on the money there, John. Although he's perhaps more notable for being a professional cricket player and an MBE than being mentioned in the local paper! nagualdesign 22:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I've removed the reference to 'Dangerous Dave Taylor', non-notable. Eagleash (talk) 22:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
WHAT?!? Dangerous Dave's a full-time legend! (I've never heard of him either.) nagualdesign 23:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

NBC New Graphics For Super Bowl LII[edit]

I looked Up That NBC Sports Will Debut a New Graphics Package During Super Bowl LII. Which Will likely Include A New Score Bug. And does that mean it will likely Spread Into Other NBC And NBCSN Productions like they done in the past like the NHL coverage, Rugby coverage, Triple Crown Horse Racing, French Open, Priemer League Soccer, NASCAR racing coverage, Next Year's U.S. Army All American Football, Figure Skating Coverage, Skiing Coverage, Action Sports, Detriot Auto Show, College Football on NBCSN, College Basketball on NBCSN, Norte Dame Football, And even on NBC Sunday Night Football and many other NBC Sports and NBCSN Productions. And It Will Likely Be On the RSN's in the Fall If That is indeed True. (talk) 23:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

That's nice but has nothing to do with the Help Desk. Do you have an actual question? NZFC(talk) 23:35, 19 January 2018 (UTC) Yes Will The New Graphics Package On NBC Spread it into other NBC And NBCSN Productions Besides the Super Bowl LII is it true. (talk) 02:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Are you the guy from back when and the other day? Strange how Iggy Azalea gets the ad this time around and Papa John's doesn't. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:24, January 20, 2018 (UTC)
The frozen food Twitter beef has been reignited, if that's what you're asking. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:46, January 20, 2018 (UTC)
All NBC affiliates owned by Tegna will look a bit different in 2018, news and weather-wise. Hearst Television's WESH is going a bit straighter in Orlando, home of this year's Pro Bowl on ABC. No clue what's going on with NBCSN. Probably nothing. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:43, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

Your'e Wrong NBCSN Will likely use the new Graphics after super bowl LII on NBC and spread into other NBC And NBCSN productions. if I'm right. (talk) 04:09, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

You may be wrong, for all I know, but you may be right. I said I had no clue, I'll take your word for it. Do they look better than the old graphics? That's a pretty huge factor. This really isn't the place for wondering about the future, though, it's just for help on using Wikipedia. Nice seeing you again, in any case. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:25, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

January 20[edit]

I need a map[edit]


I need a map for the Mid-South (region) article. Not very difficult, jut need to colour some zones on a U.S. map. Where can I ask?


WhatsUpWorld (talk) 04:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! WhatsUpWorld (talk) 18:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Having a problem with Maps[edit]

I asked this at WP:EAR but a more general audience might be able to help. I am having problems adding a map on Mount Carmel East. I'm writing it out: | map_type = Columbus#Ohio#USA | relief = 1 | map_size = 225 | Coordinates = {{coord|39.583700|82.503520|format=dms|display=inline,title|type:landmark_region:US-OH}} The error I get is "Lua error in Module:Location_map at line 469: Unable to find the specified location map definition. Neither "Module:Location map/data/Columbus" nor "Template:Location map Columbus" exists.". I would try to work around this by using an OpenStreetMap but I can't seem to find one already uploaded for Ohio let alone Columbus. So I don't know how to work around this problem. Could a more experienced editor please help me out. Thank you in advance -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 07:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I have added the Ohio locator map, and corrected your coordinates as the ones above point to China. There is an OSM map of Columbus File:Map Columbus (Ohio).jpg, but only the French have a locator template for it. I will have a look at that next week, if I can remember how to template it correctly...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:23, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much. That OSM map is a great find, I wish I had come across it. I don't believe I know how to do locator template correctly though. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


Can somebody ban Special:Contributions/ he's vandalising wikipedia?? Niqabu (talk) 09:40, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

We don't normally ban someone for a single comment in an article, but advise them on their talk page that such edits are inappropriate. Perhaps you could do that? Dbfirs 09:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Copyright material[edit]

Looking through the Amina Figarova article I noticed that the main part of the text is just copied from this source: . What must be done is such case? Is it the situation, when copying is allowed? Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 12:06, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The identical text was added by User:Bartamina in [2] 20 January 2014. The user has only edited that article. Amina's husband is called Bart so it may have been him. The Internet Archive shows that added the text after Wikipedia. The latest archived version is from 4 March 2016 where they still did not have the text. Maybe they copied from us, or maybe Bartamina added the text in multiple places. A Google search found other copies including which is dated in 2013 so it appears we cannot use the text without evidence that Bartamina has the copyright. It's very promotional anyway and would need a rewrite. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I've speedy deleted the article. It's also a heavy promo, doesn't have independent third-party sources and doesn't say why she is notable, so fails on G12, G11 and A7 Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@Jimfbleak: That seems strict for a 12 year old article with many contributors. It wasn't so promotional before the 2014 copying. Would you consider to restore without the copied material and use WP:PROD or WP:AFD? I get 152 Google News hits on "Amina Figarova" but haven't examined their quality. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:54, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
PrimeHunter, I've restored the 2 September 2012 version, before Bartamina had really got going. It seems never to have had proper RS sources, and there is nothing i the article suggesting notability, so I've AfDed as suggested Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:33, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
It's only an assamption that it could be Amina's husband. Anyone can name his account like that. So, if the material is promotional, but not copirighted as you mentioned above (the source added the text after Wikipedia) and if it's also possible to get some new reliable sources why not to rewrite it sorting old info and adding new from RS? PrimeHunter (talk), could you please share new sources you found? Let's disscuss it. I would be very thankful for mutial work on the article. It would be a nice contribution to Wikipedia as all we are here for this purpose only Lidiia Kondratieva (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I mentioned above that I found another site which contained the material before it was added to Wikipedia. It would have to be rewritten to be used, both to avoid copyright violation and be less promotional. The "Find sources:" list at top of Amina Figarova and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amina Figarova looks for the type of sources Wikipedia often likes. The article should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (music) or Wikipedia:Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 21:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Help pinging users[edit]

I'm about to try starting a policy discussion and want to ping some users to contribute. I thought I could use {{Hidden ping|User A|User B}} but my attempt in my sandbox failed to ping me. Can anyone help? Thanks Martinp (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

The syntax looks right, but the software doesn't allow you to ping yourself. This post has a {{Hidden ping|Martinp}} here: so you should receive a ping from me. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, John. That makes sense (and I got pinged...) Martinp (talk) 16:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)t
Pings are caused by a wikilink to the userpage so your signature would ping yourself if it was possible. That would be pretty annoying. {{Hidden ping}} makes the link on a zero-width space so it can normally not be seen or clicked but it's still there in the html. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[edit]

Would be a reliable source when creating the article, Order Bursovaginoidea? The article would mostly contain a list of the species in that order, but before creating a draft for the article, I would like to make sure that it would be okay to use the website as a reference. If not, are there any other website recommendations that have taxonomy details in the Phylum Gnathostomulida?--SkyGazer 512 talk / contributions / subpages 16:56, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I think it is ok but I still advise you to use a scholarly article in addition to it. (For instance, this). Ruslik_Zero 19:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Ruslik, Thanks for the advice! I will create the draft.--SkyGazer 512 talk / contributions / subpages 19:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Good advice. There are other reliable sources you could also cite, too, such as the WoRMS database (see here) and the NHM (see here). It's always great to see new articles do more than just prove that a taxon exists, and actually say something about it. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Nick Moyes, those sources would be great for the article - I never realized they even existed!--SkyGazer 512 talk / contributions / subpages 22:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Glad to be of help, SkyGazer 512. There are plenty of other key sources you might want to be aware of, like the IUCN Red List, the International Plant Name Index (IPNI), Index Kewensis, and so on. Its often worth seeing what othere related article pages have used, or consider joining one of the WikiProjects relayed to a particular group. Be aware, too, that accepted classification systems for individual groups do also vary over time, so, especially amongst obscure taxa, you may find different naming systems, so be alert for synonyms, as well as redundant group names. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

January 21[edit] - commercial?[edit]

Hello, sorry to use this way of contacting you - writing a review about her book "The pale rider" for a German radio-station, I wanted to know a bit more about Laura Spinney and found this link:

It reads as if it would have been written to promote the book - is this possible?

Cheers and all the best

Dagmar — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Dagmar, I have removed 'positively' from the mention of newspaper reviews as it was unsourced. The article was begun in mid-2017 so the publication of the book may have 'sparked' its creation. However, it was written by an editor with several years experience and a large edit history. IMO It is reasonably factual and neutral. Eagleash (talk) 17:01, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I have to ask, is Dagmar your real name? Apart from the pub in EastEnders (famously torched by Dirty Den in the late '80s) and other real-world hotels and bars, the only time I've heard the name applied to a person is in Frank Zappa's "Broken Hearts Are For Assholes" from Sheik Yerbouti (one of the best albums ever made). I can't help picturing you with whiskers sticking out from underneath of your pancake make-up. Face-grin.svg nagualdesign 02:10, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Language translate.[edit]

Hello, I'm a french user and I want to translate some page which have not been translate in my language. For exemple: " Hopeless Fountain Kingdom " an album by Halsey is only in english and a few other languages. I want to translate this page in french but I can't. Can I have help? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unwayy (talkcontribs) 13:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Unwayy. You are welcome to translate Wikipedia articles into other languages for other Wikipedias: WP:translate us is a guide to how to do it. I can't help beyond that, because you have not said what kind of problems you are having. --ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
@ColinFine: As far as I can understand, Unwayy wants to translate enwiki article Hopeless Fountain Kingdom to frwiki. Alas I can't help in translation (I don't speak French). What concerns technical aspects of translation and publishing a translated article at frwiki, I think fr:Projet:Traduction/Traduire des articles du Wikipédia anglais (in French: Project:Translation/Translating articles of English Wikipedia) could be useful. --CiaPan (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

American or British spelling[edit]

I saw an article that had the word "realise" in it, and I changed it to "realize," before I remembered that the spelling in British English is different than that of Americans. Most articles, I've noticed, use American spelling. Does this mean that American English spelling should be used rather than British English spelling?--SkyGazer 512 talk / contributions / subpages 16:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

The policy is at WP:ENGVAR. Spelling should be consistent within any one article, and articles on American topics will normally have American spelling (and similar fro British), but otherwise it is best to leave the spelling as it is. In cases of disagreement, the first use of a variety of spelling should be retained. In the case of your last edit, American spelling was appropriate for consistency within the article. Dbfirs 16:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, that's helpful.--SkyGazer 512 talk / contributions / subpages 16:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
@SkyGazer 512: I'd like to add that in British English that word can actually be spelled (or spelt) realise or realize, with the latter being much more prevalent. I personally prefer using -ize, known as Oxford spelling. Most Brits who shun such things, in my experience, do so only because they assume -ize is an Americanism (and it's fashionable to think we're somehow better than "the yanks" when it comes to language, notwithstanding the fact that most of us have never heard of Oxford spelling). nagualdesign 18:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm a Brit, I've heard of Oxford spelling and I still prefer ise, as do the setters of my daily crosswords... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I suppose zeds aren't very helpful when you're trying to set a crossword. nagualdesign 19:33, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I learnt the rules of Oxford spellings many years ago, but they are falling out of fashion. Most schools now teach the "ise" endings in the UK (though I expect someone will know of exceptions). Dbfirs 23:05, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm surprized that our schools would be so prescriptive. nagualdesign 23:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC) (That was a joke. I know how to spell surprised, nor am I really surprised.)

Where is the list of words used on WP not defined in Wiktionary[edit]

At one point, there was a project on this wiki to find words that were used in Wikipedia articles but that did not exist as Wiktionary entries, on the theory that such words were likely to be either misspellings to be changed here, or valid words that Wiktionary would want to add. Is this project still ongoing, and where is/was it? (Apologies if I should have asked this in a different forum.) -sche (talk) 18:42, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused you such pericombobulation. nagualdesign 18:53, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Note to the humourless: In case you think I'm being unhelpful here, I've spent the last 10 minutes searching for this list of words. Unfortunately I've failed to find it, but not for lack of trying. nagualdesign 19:21, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't have time to punch you. Here´s my fist, kindly run into it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:21, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I have to say in my 10 years here I have never heard of such a project. Is it possible it was hosted at Wiktionary and not here? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you both for trying to help. I hoped someone might just know what/where it was, to save me from doing this, but I just paged through every month of Wiktionary's announcement page until I found the announcement of it: it's Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss. It seems it hasn't been updated in a while, which is a shame, since it seems like the sort of endeavor that benefits both projects, but I'll take that on up the Typo Team talk page. :) Thanks! -sche (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Damn, I was so close! I chanced upon Wikipedia:Typo Team/Wiktionary cheat sheet at one point (by searching for WP:words not in Wiktionary). A miss is as good as a mile. nagualdesign 20:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

How to ensure other Wikipedians are notified?[edit]

Hi, how can I make sure other Wikipedians get a notification when I reply to a message they have left on my talk page? Or if I want to mention & notify them on a different page like an article's talk page?

I played around using {{ping|paulmarsy}} whilst not being logged in on my sandbox but didn't get any notification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulmarsy (talkcontribs) 18:54, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

  • You need to sign the comment, or it doesn't work. The format is {{ping|Username}} <optional message text> ~~~~. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
You can also use the colon in front of your text to notify someone. Ramesty (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Colons are used for indentation. The question was about notification, which is when you link to someone's user page in your comment and they subsequently receive a message letting them know about it. nagualdesign 00:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Spelling Error[edit]

Link: Abi, Uzo-Uwani

The correct spelling of this Town is Abbi (with two B's) and NOT Abi (with one "B").

Please make necessary corrections. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AglowRaph (talkcontribs) 21:16, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Help desk#Wrong Spelling and Location of my Town above. Eagleash (talk) 21:30, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes: ~~~~ nagualdesign 21:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


Why are there so many pedias? I've heard of Wikipedia, Simple English Wikipedia, a Mario Pedia, and some others?Ramesty (talk) 23:36, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

The suffix -pedia means related to learning and is known from encyclopedia. Many online encyclopedias and similar websites have chosen a name with suffix -pedia. But your example "Mario Pedia" is not actually called Mariopedia so I wonder whether your question was serious. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) I think you mean "wikis", as in In answer to your question, I suspect it's because the MediaWiki software is free and has become the de facto standard for collaborative web building, and using wiki or -pedia in the title helps people to understand how the website is likely to function. nagualdesign 00:02, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Maybe a better question would be, are all of these affiliated with Wikipedia? Ramesty (talk) 00:57, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
No. Many websites have wiki or pedia in the name without being affiliated with Wikipedia. A wiki is just a type of website, and "pedia" in a name just hints that a site may be an encyclopedia or other learning resource. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:26, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
"Wikipedia" is a registered trademark so a site with Wikipedia in the name is either the official website Wikipedia (or a part of it), or the site is violating the trademark. No notable sites do that. There are around 300 language editions of Wikipedia. The simple English Wikipedia is one of them. The English Wikipedia (this site is another. When people say "Wikipedia" while speaking English, they often mean the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
300? Wow, I had no idea there were so many! That's more Wikipedias than there are countries in the world, isn't it? I've never really thought about it before but I would have guessed that there are more countries than languages. It's amazing the things I learn around here. nagualdesign 01:49, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
You'll find the list at meta:List of Wikipedias. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:25, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Some of those statistics are incredible. The English Wikipedia has over 125k active users and 5.555 million articles. The Cebuano language, which I've never even heard of, has 5.383 million articles, and they managed that with just 1/48th the number of edits we took... Great link. nagualdesign 02:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
The Cebuano Wikipedia has few readers and almost no editors. Nearly all articles were made by Lsjbot and have never been edited by a human. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:51, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
I would have guessed that many of them were made via machine translation, otherwise the 150 active users must have been incredibly busy. The Lsjbot article is interesting too. Johansson's wife is called Smiley. Trust a computer programmer to marry a woman called Smiley, eh? I wonder if she looks like this → Face-smile.svg ? nagualdesign 03:03, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Wasn't there a "pedia" that was supposed to be the opposite of Wikipedia or something? I do remember that the symbol wasn't completely circular and that it was brown instead of white. Ramesty (talk) 03:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Uncyclopedia? {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

January 22[edit]

About Global IPBE unable to edit via Tor Browser[edit]

Hi everyone, I am 1233. I want to have a quick question about the problem which occurs over me: I am currently holding a global IPBE, which enables me to bypass TOR lock. However, I am unable to do so, which makes me be restricted to contribute to this wiki. I want to know if Tor exit nodes are double banned locally in English Wikipedia? --1233Talk 05:13, 22 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1233 (talkcontribs)

Editing the Film page for STILL (film)[edit]

Hi there,

I work for the production company that made STILL (film).

I wanted to add some film festivals and additional reviews and also to possibly replace the synopsis which at the moment is far too long.

Over the weekend we had someone add some of the festivals that our film had been to, but these were deleted, why is that?

Blunt Stuff Blunt stuff (talk) 06:41, 22 January 2018 (UTC)