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Category:Populated places in Layyah District[edit]

The pagees in the category are substubs. Please add references and some text.Xx236 (talk) 14:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Result of the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War[edit]

Please comment at Talk:Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts#RfC: Result of the 1965 Indo-Pakistani War. Thanks, Kautilya3 (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Daulatana[edit]

An unsourced claim that it possibly is. This Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Please correct or remove.Xx236 (talk) 09:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


Shafqat Emmanuel and Shagfuta Kausar blasphemy case[edit]

Shafqat Emmanuel and Shagfuta Kausar blasphemy case - Significant improvement is needed to this article, on a likely notable topic, which is currently written as an essay. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated AusLondonder (talk) 05:25, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Addition of sourced content about violence against Biharis and different points of view about figures of people killed and women raped / Removal of unsourced content[edit]

Please comment at Talk:1971 Bangladesh genocide#RfC: Addition of content about Biharis and different figures regarding people killed and women raped. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 16:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Doubtful notability[edit]

I recently came across the article "Amb Jogi," which seems to me to be of doubtful notability. However, if somebody could do a check for non-English sources, I would appreciate it. Also, how useful is an article in the Encyclopedia Sindhiana? I am unfamiliar with it. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Kot Hara[edit]

Town or village?
Please prove the famous personalities are notable.Xx236 (talk) 11:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Town or village? Both words are used.
Unsourced.Xx236 (talk) 07:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Burewala[edit]

Please explain the text to a foreigner. This WIkipedia isn't for local people, it's for the others who don't understand.Xx236 (talk) 07:41, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes[edit]

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Talk:Faisalabad/GA1[edit]

Could someone please help in addressing the comments at this GA review? The nominator, SRandaall, appears to be away since April 2016. This article is in a pretty good shape but needs some work before it can become a GA, which I believe it deserves to be. Thanks in advance. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:06, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Mazhabi Sikhs[edit]

Hi, I've got the impression that this project may be fairly dormant nowadays but I wonder if anyone could point me in the direction of sources relating to Mazhabi Sikhs in Pakistan? Our article did say that they are still present there but I have my doubts, especially given the 1947 migrations of communities both to and from Pakistan/India. Might there be modern census data that could help, for example? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Anyone? Or should this project be marked as dormant? - Sitush (talk) 09:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Can't find any mention of Mazhabi Sikhs or even Sikhs at least in the 1998 census report of Punjab. I guess they (Sikhs in general) were counted among "Others" because of their few numbers.
However this source says that there is a Mazhabi Sikh gurdwara at Karachi , which I figure is in Narayan Pura and still functional according to this. So I suppose Sikhs going to this gurdwara might be Mazhabi Sikhs but I am not sure how good this is for inclusion in the article. --SMS Talk 19:46, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Brilliant, thanks. I will see if I can chase anything up from that. Call me surprised! - Sitush (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

RfC Balochistan conflict[edit]

Please comment at RfC at Balochistan conflictTripWire ︢ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︢ ︡ ︡ ︢ ︡  ʞlɐʇ 22:18, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

IP user removing links to "Indo-Canadian" articles from Pakistani diaspora templates[edit]

There is a Pakistani IP user removing links to "Indo-Canadian" articles from Pakistani diaspora templates. He objects to the term "Indo-Canadian" (which actually means all Canadians of south Asian origin) and therefore is removing links to Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver and Indo-Canadians in the Greater Toronto Area (which have information on people of Pakistani origins living in those cities)

His edits are grossly inappropriate. After the last revert I am notifying this project. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:22, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: I can see that Indo-Canadian might perhaps translate to South Asians. However, I can also see there is a comprehensive article on South Asian Canadians. While the Indo-Canadians article discusses Canadians of descent from the Republic of India, rather than South Asia. How about renaming these articles to South Asian Canadians (if that is the group they are subjecting) as a way to circumvent this terminology issue? That is how Wikipedia seems to go about in identifying the distinction. Just a suggestion. Mar4d (talk) 04:35, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like a very good idea to me. YBG (talk) 04:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@Mar4d: I don't mind if the articles are named "South Asians of..." - Indo-Canadian is synonymous with South Asian Canadian (the term for people from post-partition India is essentially "East Indian Canadian" although the terms "Indo-Canadian"/"East Indian"/"South Asian" are also loosely used in a synonymous fashion). See my research at Indo-Canadians#Terminology (Book citation showing that "East Indian" is the specific term for people coming from India)
While I don't mind if the associated articles are renamed I also think Pakistani editors should be educated on what "Indo-Canadian" means and that they should understand if a Pakistani Canadian is described as an "Indo-Canadian"
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:44, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Just took a look at the article section. Yes, it appears the two are used interchangeably. In that case, a page move becomes more easy as we can establish 'South Asian' is an accepted term and what Wikipedia seems to use on the main article to identify people from that region. If doing that would end the nationalist edit war, the merrier. Your point about educating users of the interchangeability is valid. I would not mind a sentence or two on Pakistani Canadians discussing the synonymous use of 'Indo-Canadians' and 'South Asian-Canadians' subsuming the group. Mar4d (talk) 05:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

List of members of the 14th Parliament of Pakistan[edit]

I have nominated this list for featured list because I think it meets all of the FL criteria and so has great potential to become a Featured List. could someone please try to improve the lead and prose and ce the text. Thank you.--Saqib (talk) 17:43, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate article[edit]

Hi, I've come across 2 essentially identical articles, Totalai and the newer Totalai Tehsil. The latter was created recently by Wisalahmad523 with the notation correct a huge mistake in a name of tehsil. I'm posting here to check which version of the article name is preferred; I do note that most articles omit "Tehsil". If the longer name is preferred in this case, a history merge will be required due to the content being copied from the other article. Thanks! CrowCaw 22:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

After checking a few articles, it does seem that none of them use the "Tehsil" suffix in the title, and so the original title can be used. However, there is another issue: the templates, and the two articles, are not consistent about whether it is a "tehsil" or a "union council," which as I understand are two different levels of organization. Is there any clarity on which this actually is? Vanamonde (talk) 04:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
I expect there has been lots of reorganization over the years and what was once a tehsil might now be a union council or vice versa. YBG (talk) 06:51, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
A tehsil is a subdivision of a district (which itself is a subdivision of a province), and usually districts and tehsils are named after the city or town they contain. For example, the city of Jacobabad is located inside Jacobabad Tehsil which itself is a division of Jacobabad District. Union councils come in later in the tier system (so Jacobabad for example would be divided into further union councils). So the two articles above are likely to be seperate, where Totalai is part of the Totalai Tehsil. Mar4d (talk) 09:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Agree with Mar4d. It is a good idea to use "Tehsil" and "District" suffixes in all cases so that we have a uniform naming convention. The corresponding towns of course need have no such suffix. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Hina Rabbani Khar[edit]

Hina Rabbani Khar, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Mariam Mukhtar page move request[edit]

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Mariam_Mukhtar#Requested_move_23_August_2016, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, jcc (tea and biscuits) 21:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Article title problem - Nishan-e-Pakistan[edit]

The title refers to a particular award (the Nishan-e-Pakistan), which is the highest award possible, but the article content covers all the <x>-e-Pakistan awards (Nishan Hilal, Sitara and Tamgha). Normally there are different levels of orders, but in this case, there's only one level actually called Order (nishan). Therefore, the article title is a bit confusing, and I'd like to change it to something clearer, but I don't know what that would be. It is also possible that the Civil decorations of Pakistan article is organized incorrectly in the table, but I am not sure there either. Can someone help me sort this out? MSJapan (talk) 19:31, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

MSJapan: how about going in the other direction, and splitting the other awards into separate articles? "Third highest civilian award" would most certainly deserve and article, in my book. Vanamonde (talk) 04:54, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
I believe the rest of the awards are lower in hierarchy (i.e. second, third, fourth order), that's why they are listed below the Nishan-e-Pakistan. Though I agree with the assessment that each of them are notable to have their own articles. Mar4d (talk) 09:46, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
I'd bet they were separate at one point and then combined because of lack of length of the individual sections. Also, just because they're individually notable doesn't mean they should get an article if we can't come up with anything meaningful to say. What I'd like to do for the moment is come up with a correct blanket term to cover everything, and then see what can be found - I know for sure we need pictures of the various awards, as well as a history (which seems to be pretty standard - they were all created at the same time), and a list of recipients, some of which we have and some of which we don't. The other issue is that I'm not sure how to break it up - should it be by Nishan, Hilal, Sitara, etc. (class), or should it be by Pakistan, Shujaat, Imtiaz, etc. (type)? MSJapan (talk) 17:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
@MSJapan: I just went over the order of civil decorations again and I see where the confusion lies. There are four award classes; the most prestigious is Nishan (symbol), followed by Hilal (crescent), Sitara (star), and Tamgha (medal). What's apparent at Nishan-e-Pakistan is that all the other awards have been listed because they're part of the "Order of Pakistan" (e-Pakistan) and they are lower in terms of their hierarchy (the Nishan is followed by the Hilal, Sitara and Tamgha classes). So the article has lumped together these awards because they belong to the same Order, not because of their Class (each of those awards are in fact the highest in their respective classes as the table shows). I believe awards are usually defined by the Order they belong to, not the class (the class is just for hierarchy purposes). So to answer your question, it'd probably make sense to break it up as Order of Pakistan, Order of Shujaat, Order of Imtiaz, Order of Quaid-i-Azam and Order of Khidmat, with each of these having classes from Nishan to Tamgha in descending order. Mar4d (talk) 19:18, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
OK, got it. I'll try to work on that. MSJapan (talk) 02:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Or if the problem of insufficient content remains, rename the original to "civil decorations of Pakistan" or something of that sort. Vanamonde (talk) 05:12, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

List of members of the 14th National Assembly of Pakistan[edit]

The list has has been promoted to FL status. But If you guys can update or improve it, please do so. --Saqib (talk) 08:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)