Wikipedia:Peer review/List of Oregon State University people/archive1

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List of Oregon State University people[edit]

I've been working on this article since January and it's currently at good article status. I think it's getting close to being a featured list but there are some issues I'd like cleared up before nominating. The primary things in my view holding this back is that there are a good amount of red links, which I am slowly getting rid of by making articles, and that it needs more images towards the top. Unfortunately this is going to be harder as I'd like to only use free images. Anyway, the formatting issues I had a question about is repeated wikilinking to the same article. The MOS says this shouldn't happen (at least in the same section) but I was under the impression lists were different, I asked a question about this here but didn't have it answered. Basically I want to know if:

  1. We should only link the first instance of MLB, NFL, NBA, etc. or if the way it is now is good.
  2. The "Please" in "Please note that the people listed may have only attended the university at one point and have not necessarily graduated" seems a little like we are asking the reader a favor, I was tempted to get rid of it but I originally copied that from another list of people by university, any thoughts on removing that?
  3. After each baseball player I list the position they played, but ones that played multiple positions I left simply as player. Any ideas on what to do about that, or just leave it? I don't know which positions the unlabeled players were best known for.
  4. The basketball player position of guard links to essentially a disambiguation page between the 2 types of guards, unfortunately I don't know which type each player was. I could guess but that would be original research, the source only states guard in general and not the specific type they were.
  5. What do we do about people notable enough for the list, but not enough for their own article? (For example, noting that Bobby Henderson, the creator of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is an OSU alum seems appropriate for the list, but Bobby Henderson (FSM) redirects to Flying Spaghetti Monster, showing he isn't notable enough for an article). Do we remove a link alltogether? Right now clicking on his name brings you to Flying Spaghetti Monster, but it is repeated right after that.
  6. Right now general references follow the inline references and notes. Is this correct? Also the first inline citation is a repeat of the first general reference, I didn't know what to do about that since it fits both as a general reference as as a citation for the statistic in the lead.
  7. I wasn't sure about how to signify someone who is both an alumni and a former or current faculty member, so I simply added a note to each person that applied to, does this look good?

That's about it. Some other things worth noting is the football alumni isn't complete, there are still a lot of players I need to copy over from the football database, but they would all be redlinks so I figured I would do that after the current players listed all had articles (other than the free agents who I don't consider notable enough to have a page). VegaDark 08:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

  1. i would only link the first instance, but like you i dont know how it is different for lists
  2. The please thing could go either way. i would take it out as it is just one more word that does not have to be there.
  3. baseball players without a usual position are often referred to as utility players.
  4. just because there is no article for henderson doesnt mean he isnt notable enough, just that it hasnt been done. i would either delink him or redlink if he meets WP:BIO. either way there does not need to be two links to FSM.

Sosobra 00:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

A completely unreferenced article should not be GA, and would not make featured without inline citations: the notables need to be referenced. We can't ask readers to take our word for it. Sandy 23:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I'm not sure if you looked at the bottom or not but there are plenty of references. Having an inline citation after each name all pointing to the same reference seems kind of...ludicrous. I haven't seen any such lists of people done that way, having general references at the bottom like it is now makes more sense. VegaDark 23:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
If you're saying they all come from one reference, then that can be noted. The problem with your logic is that articles on Wiki are not static: long after you stop tending the article, other editors will be inserting names that come from different sources. How do we know if future insertions are legitimate? Yes, every line should be sourced, and yes I've seen lists where they are. Featured articles require inline citations: of course, you're free to ignore the requirements. Sandy 21:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.

  • Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at WP:LEAD. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.
  • Consider removing links that add little to the article or that have been repeated in close proximity to other links to the same article, as per WP:MOS-L and WP:CONTEXT.
  • See if possible if there is a free use image that can go on the top right corner of this article.[1]
  • Per WP:WIAFA, Images should have concise captions.[2]
  • There may be an applicable infobox for this article. For example, see Template:Infobox Biography, Template:Infobox School, or Template:Infobox City. (Note that there might not be an applicable infobox; remember that these suggestions are not generated manually)
  • Per WP:MOSNUM, please spell out source units of measurements in text; for example, "the Moon is 380,000 kilometres (240,000 mi) from Earth.[3]
  • Per WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) maybe too long- consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per WP:SS.[4]
  • As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space inbetween. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2]
  • Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that the it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 2a. [5]

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, Ruhrfisch 14:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

  • P.S. The footnotes can be found here for now. Ruhrfisch 14:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
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