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November 26[edit]

Titanic (1996 miniseries) - Questionable scene[edit]

In the 1996 miniseriesTitanic, why is there a brutal sexual assault scene?

Why does Simon Doonan rape Jamie Perse's girlfriend Aase Ludvigsen?

Rape is when you force someone to have sex with you against their will and sex is commonly/generally associated with love, not with hate.

If Doonan does not like Aase, why does he have sex with her?

Why does he not slap, punch, kick or beat her up?

When Doonan walks into her shower, he says that he's gonna beat her up, not rape her.

When a woman finds her, she says that she's been beaten, not raped.

Jamie tells the woman that he would never hurt her and tells a ship crew member that she's been hurt.

That is morally brutal and morally violet.

In common/general, violence dwells on pain or injury.

Not on sex.

And violence is commonly/generally associated with hate, not with love.

Also, why is the miniseries rated 12?

Brutal sexual violence is associated with rated 15 and 18 films, not with rated U, PG and 12 films.

That moral violence was not featured in other Titanic films, especially animated ones.

That scene was disturbing and hard to watch. (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

The motivations for rape have been the subject of much thought. There's some material here and here and here. You asked a very similar question about rape a little while ago; a lot of the replies to that question also apply to this current one. (talk) 04:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
And that sort of spacing is better for poetry than prose. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:26, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
I wonder why the OP, who found the thing "morally violent, disturbing and hard to watch", persisted regardless, and then came here to pass their judgment. As for "Why does he not slap, punch, kick or beat her up?", is he suggesting that that form of violence would have been perfectly fine? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:36, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Perfectly fine, from a character development point of view, if the viewer presumes rape is love and thinks the rapist doesn't like her. Moot point, anyway, since the article notes she was brutally raped and beaten. The OP should already know this. Here's some tranquil music. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:55, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

November 27[edit]

What was the first mainstream example of autostereoscopy (glasses-free 3D) being used in entertainment?[edit]

What was the first mainstream example of autostereoscopy (glasses-free 3D) being used in entertainment? Ebaillargeon82 (talk) 22:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

As usual, definitions matter. It depends on how you mean mainstream: if you mean readily-available and affordable consumer products, the Nintendo 3DS was released in 2011. There were TVs launched before that, but the cost was very high ($20,000+). There are certainly many examples before these products, but nothing mainstream and affordable. Various technologies to allow this have been around for over 100 years. See Autostereoscopy. Mingmingla (talk) 02:14, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I see. I just read an article about autostereoscopic cinema. According to the article, a glasses-free 3D cinema opened in Moscow in February 1941, then closed four months later due to WWII. Then: "On 20th February 1947 glasses-free 3D cinema reopened in Moscow with Ivanov et al. replacing the radial barrier with a radial lenticular optical arrangement. This paved the way for glasses-free cinemas in other Russian cities including Leningrad, Kiev and Odessa and enabled audiences to enjoy 3D films such as Robinson Crusoe, Machine 22-12, Crystals, May Night, Aleko, A Precious Gift, and the like.". The article can be found here:

Would this example of autostereoscopy be considered mainstream? Ebaillargeon82 (talk) 09:03, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

It certainly wasn't mainstream anywhere outside of Russia, and it wasn't in wide release even in Russia despite spreading to a few major cities. I'd be inclined to say no, but I would certainly agree that it wasn't a one-off either. Mingmingla (talk) 19:34, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

November 28[edit]

Why did they always muffle any adult voices on the Charlie Brown Peanuts TV shows?[edit]

Whenever an adult character speaks on any of the animated Charlie Brown Peanuts TV shows, their words are merely a garbled indecipherable "wah wah wah wah" or such. Has Charles M. Schultz ever explained what his reasoning was behind this? Or is there just speculation about it? Also, were any adults ever shown in the cartoons? Or were they always off screen? I believe, the latter. Did Schultz ever explain that, also? Thanks. 2602:252:D13:6D70:6CDA:3818:9566:48D4 (talk) 07:48, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

“I usually say that they [adults] do not appear because the daily strip is only an inch and a half high, and they wouldn’t have room to stand up. Actually, they have been left out because they would intrude in a world where they could only be uncomfortable. Adults are not needed in the Peanuts strip. In earlier days I experimented with off-stage voices, but soon abandoned this as it was not only impractical but actually clumsy. Instead, I have developed a cast of off-stage adults who are talked about but never seen or heard.” – Charles M. Schulz, 1975 [1] --Viennese Waltz 07:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. But, huh? Instead, I have developed a cast of off-stage adults who are talked about but never seen or heard. I distinctly remember adult character voices being the garbled "wah wah wah" sounds. No? 2602:252:D13:6D70:B1E6:724E:F659:80A9 (talk) 09:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
The quote is obviously about the comic strip. When carried over to the screen, the "wah wah wah" sound is used. I think it was created with a muffled trumpet or something like that. However, in some later TV shows, there are actually adults seen and heard, like the man at the Daisy Hill, where Charlie Brown bought Snoopy. In some very early comic strips too, there are adults seen, but only like the legs of them and they do not talk. Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 09:57, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
"wah wah wah" would fall under "not heard". We can't hear what they say. We can only hear what the children tell us they hear, and only after the children have filtered and interpreted it for us. We don't hear anything the children don't understand. We don't hear anything the children don't care about. We don't hear adult concerns, adult reasons, or adult explanations for anything. Adults are incidental aliens that occasionally intrude into their world.
We are forced to interpret the world through the children's eyes&ears. Alsee (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Alsee - Excellent points. We never "hear" what the adults say. But, rather, what the kids say that the adults say. (Hearsay?) So, yes, everything is filtered through the perspective of the kids. Intentionally so, of course. 2602:252:D13:6D70:A9B5:C9D6:AC6B:B57D (talk) 22:13, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
And considering how obedient kids are (not!), the muffled trombone could be said to represent how the kids actually hear those adults! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:26, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
"The Art and Making of Peanuts Animation" by Charles Solomon, p.53, quotes Lee Mendelson as saying "As there were no adults in the strip, Sparky [=Schulz] said 'How are you going to handle the teacher?' I asked Vince Guaraldi if there were some instrument that could sound like talking; he got the trombone out, which worked very effectively." -- BenRG (talk) 15:56, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. 2602:252:D13:6D70:9562:88E6:981C:9C76 (talk) 06:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Italian incest farce[edit]

(I suspect I may have asked this before, years ago, but got no answer.)

Looking for the title of an Italian (or just possibly French) movie that I saw probably thirty years ago. A wealthy young landowner (I'll arbitrarily call him Pietro for convenience) marries the daughter (whom I'll call Anna) of his father's favorite servant. On the day of the wedding, but too late to stop it, a priest(?) shows up and tells them, "You must not consummate the marriage!" Pietro's nominal father had been castrated by a lion in Africa, so he secretly deputized his servant to sire Pietro, in darkness; thus Pietro is Anna's half-brother. Pietro's mother knew the truth when, in daylight, she saw scratches on the servant's face that she had made in her passion.

The new couple announce that they are remaining chaste for spiritual reasons; but their frustration mounts. Eventually they agree to give in to lust and then take poison. In the nick of time, another priest appears, to warn them that (according to a deathbed confession) they are half-siblings: Anna was conceived in adultery with Pietro's (nominal) father. Pietro, absorbing this news, absent-mindedly drinks the "poisoned" wine; when Anna is horrified, he says, "This? A harmless aphrodisiac."

I remember no more. —Tamfang (talk) 08:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Category:Incest in film has 259 pages. The closest to your description I find is Till Marriage Do Us Part (IMDB plot summary here), but it doesn't quite match. Accidental incest does not have an "In popular culture" section. -- ToE 22:20, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
We do have Incest in popular culture, though I don't see anything promising there either. -- ToE 00:45, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
The American comedy My Chauffeur also has two twists which first suggest then resolve a possible brother-sister romance, but both revelations deal with the paternity of the woman. -- ToE 00:06, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Another list to scan is TV Tropes' "Surprise Incest", though no obvious match in the film or literature section. ---Sluzzelin talk 10:50, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Arenas in Kazan[edit]

Are Trudovye Rezervy Stadium and Raketa Stadium different names for the same arena or are they different arenas? They are both used for bandy in Kazan, Russia, as it seems. Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 09:49, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Football at the 2013 Summer Universiade – Men's tournament lists them separately, as does this Swedish news article. Tevildo (talk) 16:16, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
This Russian Wikipedia article on the 2011 bandy world championships says (if Google Translate has it right) that the tournament was held at both of these stadiums, and gives details of which games were played at each one. Apparently Trudovye Rezervy (Labor Reserves) Stadium is the smaller one, with only 5,000 seats. Combined with the Swedish article, I think that's sufficient evidence to close the suggestion that they are the same place. I'll do so. -- (talk) 17:09, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

November 29[edit]

Another identify song/clip...[edit]


Could you please help me identify a pop-rock-ish song from between 2000-2015 ? I didn't remember much, only the youtube clip was about a guy who dealt with the devil to obtain a magical guitar who make people love his song (maybe a guitar made from ivy or something like that i didn't remember). The lyrics contain "lord of lies" or maybe "lord of flies" and the song was something really mainstream but i didn't find out.

Thank you for your help.

Jack Black and Dave Grohl ruled the mainstream pop-rock world for a spell. Starred in Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny, dealing with the Devil and a magical guitar pick, made from his tooth. Not sure if the Devil's teeth are ivory, or if that's what you meant by ivy, but maybe that helps.
The guy with lasting fame from this sort of thing is still Robert Johnson. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:58, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
While The Devil Went Down to Georgia is rather earlier, I seem to remember it having a resurgence of popularity around the OP's timeframe, I think because it was included in one of the Guitar Hero/Rock Band games. MChesterMC (talk) 10:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
The song that immediately came to mind was Tribute by Tenacious D, though those lyrics don't match. Hack (talk) 02:34, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

song in a YT vid[edit]

can anyone tell me what song it is at 8:17 - 8:40 in this video ?

It's an american song, or at least in english!

Thanks :)

According to Shazam, it's "Papercut" by Zedd featuring Troye Sivan. Dismas|(talk) 17:18, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you SO MUCH! That's it! :D (talk) 20:28, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

November 30[edit]

Identifying a song[edit]

Asking for somebody else here, but could anybody identify this song? Inevitably attempts to use Google are rendered redundant by that Frozen song. Keresaspa (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

"Let It Go", from Let It Go, by Will Young. Tevildo (talk) 20:47, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm, his voice is a lot higher than the one in the link and I don't hear the instrumentation in Young's song. Thanks anyway though. Keresaspa (talk) 01:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Well, the sample in the link is compressed (digitally rather than acoustically) to the point of distortion - I'm basing the assessment mainly on timbre and rhythm, and on it not sounding like any of the other songs entitled "Let It Go" that I could find quickly. But there may be a better candidate out there. Tevildo (talk) 09:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

December 2[edit]