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Biographies

Talk:James Watson

How should the lead section describe the comments that lead to Watson's resignation from CSHL in 2007?

Background

The current stable version of the lead of James Watson describes certain controversial comments that led to Watson's resignation in 2007 thusly:

He was then appointed chancellor, serving until 2007[1] when he resigned his position after making controversial comments claiming a link between intelligence and geographical ancestry.[2][3][4][5][6]

Over the past months several editors (most recently myself) have attempted to change this wording to one which they argue more accurately represents third party coverage of Watson's comments (diffs: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]). Suggestions have included:

  • ...after making controversial comments claiming a link between race and intelligence.
  • ...after making controversial comments about the intelligence of Africans and people of African descent.
  • Watson resigned this position and was widely shunned after making comments implying black people are less intelligent than others.

These changes have been reverted by others who argue that they are not supported by the sources; or that they imply Watson is racist, and that this violates WP:NPOV, WP:BLP and/or WP:ARBR&I. Lengthy discussions on this talk page have failed to resolve the dispute, and we think a wider discussion amongst uninvolved editors is sorely needed. Joe Roe (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Jules Feiffer

I don't see this discussion resolving so I thought it best to start an RFC for which picture is preferred where in the article. Tduk (talk) 17:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump

Should Image C or E be used in the lead? To indicate less-than-strong support, feel free to divide six votes between C and E, as was instructed up to September 20. ~ Rob13Talk 13:49, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:AlMaghrib Institute

Should the "Controversy" section cite Yasir Qadhi's views on the Holocaust which he was quoted on in 2001? 08:59, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Vani Hari

Editors are discussing how to construct one paragraph on this page. Which of these two versions is better? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Elvis Presley

Related to above discussion, should this article include an infobox module about his "military career?"--Light show (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Cary Grant

In the Personal Section: propose the following be added: "In 1921 Grant moved into the Greenwich Village apartment of Australian Orry George Kelly, later to be known as the Hollywood designer Orry-Kelly: the apartment was also shared with a fellow Australian, Charles 'Spangles' Phelps, a cross-dressing performer. Kelly and Grant lived together for five years, and it has been speculated they were lovers, but Kelly lost respect for Grant: he was particularly incensed by Grant's subsequent avoidance of military duty during World War II, and their friendship ended badly." References are Kelly's own biography, recently discovered and published this year, and these additional sources:

Orry-Kelly Women I've Undressed: The Fabulous Life and Times of a Legendary Hollywood Designer, Allen & Unwin, 2016; [11]; [12]; [13]; Eliot, Mark Cary Grant: A Biography, Three Rivers Press, New York, 2004, pp42-63 Engleham (talk) 15:08, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction

So, in order to come to a consensus, let's discuss each one individually. The question to be answered here is "Who is considered an 'influential pioneer' in the field of science fiction?" The first three sections are to determine if we should keep the section or remove it, and then if we keep it, what subsections it should be divided into and the limit on the number of entries that should be in each section.···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Louis C.K.

Should the sexual harassment allegations about CK be mentioned in this page? --Jpcase (talk) 13:07, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography

I am being told that timeline sections are not allowed in biographies, does anyone know what !Wikilaw is being cited? Another editor added this to the timeline section, a tiny part of the article:

{{prose|section|date=September 2016}} The other editor wrote: "Timelines are allowed for year, century, decade, etc articles; biographies are appropriately presented as prose." Anyone have thoughts? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:24, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Mel Brooks

Should this article include an infobox module about his "military career?" --Light show (talk) 16:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Pavel Florensky

The way in which inclusion of information in this article about Florensky's alleged antisemitism is currently under dispute and attempts to seek consensus are not proving useful. I would appreciate responses from uninvolved editors and administrators on the relevant content policies and the consensus processes required to resolve matters. Afterwriting (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Michael Greger

Does the blog post by Harriet A. Hall referenced in this article violate WP:BLPSPS? Sammy1339 (talk 00:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Denial of the Holodomor

Should the "Douglas Tottle and Others" section contain the following?

According to Canadian historians, "Eventually Tottle’s book lost credibility in all but the fringe Stalinist circles, but in the late 1980s material from it appeared in the American “Village Voice”[7] and various student newspapers in Canada" [14]. According to Cathy Young, "the West has its own inglorious history with regard to the famine, starting with the deliberate cover-up by Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times correspondent Walter Duranty. In the late 1980s, the famine gained new visibility thanks to Robert Conquest's The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine (1987) and the TV documentary Harvest of Despair, aired in the United States and Canada. A backlash from the left was quick to follow. Revisionist Sovietologist J. Arch Getty accused Conquest of parroting the propaganda of "exiled nationalists." And in January 1988, the Village Voice ran a lengthy essay by Jeff Coplon (now a contributing editor at New York magazine) titled "In Search of a Soviet Holocaust: A 55-Year-Old Famine Feeds the Right." Coplon sneered at "the prevailing vogue of anti-Stalinism" and dismissed as absurd the idea that the famine had been created by the Communist regime. Such talk, he asserted, was meant to justify U.S. imperialism and whitewash Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazis."[8] In a letter to the editors, Robert Conquest dismissed the article by Coplon as "error and absurdity".[9]

Kingsindian   03:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


Economy, trade, and companies

Talk:University of Queensland

To avoid becoming involved in an editing war I'm asking for other opinion on statements that IP addresses keep adding. I have previously removed these.

UQ's main campus has been ranked as one of the most beautiful campuses in the world by New York's BuzzFeed.[10]

  1. ^ "Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory James D. Watson". cshl.edu. 2013. Archived from the original on May 24, 2013. Retrieved June 12, 2013. 
  2. ^ Crawford, Hayley. "Short Sharp Science:James Watson menaced by hoodies shouting 'racist!'". New Scientist. Retrieved 24 April 2014. ... he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really". 
  3. ^ Watson, J.D. "James Watson: To question genetic intelligence is not racism", Independent, October 19, 2007. Retrieved October 24, 2007
  4. ^ Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. October 18, 2007. Statement by Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Board of Trustees and President Bruce Stillman, PhD Regarding Dr. Watson’s Comments in The Sunday Times on October 14, 2007. Press release. Retrieved October 24, 2007. Archived September 10, 2010, at the Wayback Machine.
  5. ^ Wigglesworth, K.DNA pioneer quits after race comments, L.A. Times, October 26, 2007. Retrieved December 5, 2007
  6. ^ ""Nobel prize-winning biologist resigns."", CNN, October 25, 2007. Retrieved on October 25, 2007.
  7. ^ Jeff Coplon, "In Search of a Soviet Holocaust", The Village Voice, January 12, 1988.
  8. ^ Cathy Young (8 December 2008). "Remember the Holodomor: The Soviet starvation of Ukraine, 75 years later". The Weekly Standard. Retrieved 1 November 2015. 
  9. ^ Conquest, Robert (February 2, 1988). "Letters to the editors". New York: Village Voice. Archived from the original on 18 November 2016.  – Reprinted by the The Ukrainian Weekly, February 21, 1988
  10. ^ http://www.buzzfeed.com/spenceralthouse/most-beautiful-college-campuses-in-the-world
  • I removed this because I don't believe buzzfeed is a reliable source, this is just an editors opinion and drawing the conclusion that it is "one of the most beautiful" is subjective. Aloneinthewild (talk) 11:15, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Drury Hotels

Should the information in this diff be included in the article? Instaurare (talk) 05:56, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Gawker Media

All there in the title. Going forward should this article be renamed to Gizmodo Media Group or should we create a new article with that name as a continuation? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Onnit

Should this content covering Onnit Academy be restored to the page? I've restored the information and it has been reverted each time by Zefr noting it is trivial, minor, irrelevant, insignificant, and promotional. So, for the sake of preventing an edit war, I am requesting other users' input on whether the content warrants inclusion. Meatsgains (talk) 01:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles

This RFC covers two automotive articles with similar disputed material. Please comment on either or both additions (please indicate an article if comments don't apply to both).

The specific addition to the Ford F-650 intro section page is below [[15]]:

A 1993 Ford F-700 was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The truck's key code and axle serial number became significant evidence in the trial of Timothy McVeigh.

The specific addition to the Chevrolet Caprice page as a section titled Famous Owners is below [[16]]:

The Beltway sniper attacks used a 1990 blue Caprice as a mobile snipers' nest. The car had been modified with a special opening for the rifle to shoot out the back of the trunk, and the back seat had been altered to allow entry to the trunk from within the passenger compartment. The snipers were abducted by the FBI while they slept in it. The events inspired a 2013 motion picture, Blue Caprice.

Springee (talk) 19:29, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Ethereum

Hello, I created two different discussions (maybe should have made one in retrospect) over on the noticeboards relating to a long standing (ad nauseam) discussion on this talk page (and archives) relating to if this page is WP:FRINGE (as is claimed by @David Gerard: and thus higher standards WP:FRIND sources must be used (largely excluding industry rag publications such as CoinDesk and CoinTelegraph). This ongoing dispute relating to sources results in possibly biased editors (see above talk page comments) such as @Earl King Jr.: deleting all sorts of content, down even to the the launch date of Ethereum (a non-controversial fact). Please comment on these noticeboards, or here Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Ethereum and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#CoinDesk_and_CoinTelegraph_on_the_article_Ethereum Thank you Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:37, 2 September 2016 (UTC)


History and geography

Talk:2014 Oso mudslide

Should the article contain material about the property dispute and murder following the landslide?— Gorthian (talk) 23:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Harvard University

Does Harvard University's expansion plan warrant its own section, or subsection, in the article on the university? X4n6 (talk) 08:49, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Leninism

I think this section gives as it stands doesn't really clarify what Leninism is nor concerns around the theory. It reads like one side of a debate, when the observer isn't even here for it. I think that the section doesn't belong on this article and instead this should be redirected to criticism of another page or within the page. Furthermore, it doesn't really provide insights into the theory, Leninism, but rather a somewhat non-relevant historical account of what Stalin did wrong. While no doubt an important area of scholarship in its own right doesn't fit when discussing political philosophy of Lenin. It might be good under a page on Stalinism. The Philosophical successor component should be merged, but the exact mentions of a couple smaller communist parties removed and replaced with mentions around Mao Zedong Thought(Maoism) and albeit somewhat fringe: Hoxhaism. I propose delete deleting the existing paragraphs ins in this section and replacing it with the following verbage in bold:

In post–Revolutionary Russia, Marxism-Leninism, which detractors at that time referred to as Stalinism, and Trotskyism were the immediate principal philosophies of Communism that claimed legitimate ideological descent from Leninism. This lead to different tendencies to develop as factions within the Communist Party, each ideological faction denied the political legitimacy of the opposing faction.[1] In the Soviet Union, Marxism-Leninism ended up winning authority. This political philosophy was likewise adopted internationally by Communist parties who belonged to the Comintern. Trotskyism found its voice through its own international forum, called the Forth International.

Internationally, in the decades after the death of Lenin other political philosophies claimed descendancy from Leninism, including Mao Zedong thought, otherwise known as Maoism, and Hoxhaism. In academic settings, various fields of international relation studies, such as Dependency theory and later on World System Theory, have been said to be inspired by Lenin's book Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism.

I think this would provide a much more concise section, remove issues around undue weight, remove mentions of small political parties(it would be impossible to provide a full list of every Lenin inspired political party), and allow for a better understanding of the topic. It would also upon up the topic for future expansion from academic fields that utilize Leninist philosophy instead of a debate around the vices and virtues of trotsky and stalin.

References

  1. ^ Chambers Dictionary of World History (2000) p. 837.

CrisisSandwich (talk) 01:30, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:AlMaghrib Institute

Should the "Controversy" section cite Yasir Qadhi's views on the Holocaust which he was quoted on in 2001? 08:59, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Han Chinese

Some numbers of Han people are unsourced, even after being tagged for citation needed for over a month. Examples are, as in this version, "15,722" in Finland, "ca 40,000" in Cuba, "144,928" in the Netherlands and "197,214" in Spain. Should we Keep them or Remove them? Please indicate which one you prefer. Lysimachi (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Han Chinese

Some numbers of Han people are actually those of Chinese people, where there is no reference to Han in the source and where non-Han Chinese are included. An example is "655,377" in Japan. There are three possible solutions:
Keep
Remove
Move to Chinese people

Please indicate which one you prefer. Lysimachi (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:David (Michelangelo)

Should the article include both of this and this photo? Please consider that this photo details genitals, waist and other parts well while this one seems excess and does not make further help for understanding the text. --Mhhossein talk 14:15, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:ISIL territorial claims

Should the article 'ISIL territorial claims' contain an infobox; and if so, which should be used? Muffled Pocketed 14:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction

So, in order to come to a consensus, let's discuss each one individually. The question to be answered here is "Who is considered an 'influential pioneer' in the field of science fiction?" The first three sections are to determine if we should keep the section or remove it, and then if we keep it, what subsections it should be divided into and the limit on the number of entries that should be in each section.···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Cedar Fire (2003)

I am in the process of cleaning up this article in hopes of getting it to WP:GA status. One of the last main things that needs to be addressed is the list of fatalities. Now lets get one thing clear, no one is suggesting the loss of life is not tragic. The question here is does a LIST of those killed warrant placement in this article? If so, how and in what format. I took a look at WP:USEPROSE (thanks David Eppstein (talk · contribs) for pointing me there!) and it states Prose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a simple list may not. Now I would like to point out the last 2 words may not. It is possible that a list is still the right format here. I am having a hard time seeing what would be gained by having a bunch of sequential sentences that give the name, age and location of death for each of the 15 people killed. I took a look at a couple of other articles that contain large lists of individuals killed: Yarnell Hill Fire, Charles Whitman and Virginia Tech shooting. Each of these use a box on the right side of the page to list the names (not sure what the technical name for this box is... Not an infobox and not a navbox...). I am very much leaning in this direction.

My proposal is to rewrite the fatalities section to have a paragraph or so about the causes of death, how the fire spread faster than predicted, how people thought they had time they didn't really have, etc. (All well referenced of course). Then to have a side box that contains a list of the killed to include Name, age and both date and location of death. Perhaps broken up by date. I welcome any and all feedback! --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Denial of the Holodomor

Should the "Douglas Tottle and Others" section contain the following?

According to Canadian historians, "Eventually Tottle’s book lost credibility in all but the fringe Stalinist circles, but in the late 1980s material from it appeared in the American “Village Voice”[1] and various student newspapers in Canada" [17]. According to Cathy Young, "the West has its own inglorious history with regard to the famine, starting with the deliberate cover-up by Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times correspondent Walter Duranty. In the late 1980s, the famine gained new visibility thanks to Robert Conquest's The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine (1987) and the TV documentary Harvest of Despair, aired in the United States and Canada. A backlash from the left was quick to follow. Revisionist Sovietologist J. Arch Getty accused Conquest of parroting the propaganda of "exiled nationalists." And in January 1988, the Village Voice ran a lengthy essay by Jeff Coplon (now a contributing editor at New York magazine) titled "In Search of a Soviet Holocaust: A 55-Year-Old Famine Feeds the Right." Coplon sneered at "the prevailing vogue of anti-Stalinism" and dismissed as absurd the idea that the famine had been created by the Communist regime. Such talk, he asserted, was meant to justify U.S. imperialism and whitewash Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazis."[2] In a letter to the editors, Robert Conquest dismissed the article by Coplon as "error and absurdity".[3]

Kingsindian   03:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


Language and linguistics

Talk:Turkish military intervention in the Syrian Civil War

Which one is the proper English term, "Turkey-backed rebels", or "Turkish-backed rebels", or both? If both are proper English, which one should better be used in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A1ZA (talkcontribs) 12:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


Maths, science, and technology

Talk:2014 Oso mudslide

Should the article contain material about the property dispute and murder following the landslide?— Gorthian (talk) 23:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:James Watson

How should the lead section describe the comments that lead to Watson's resignation from CSHL in 2007?

Background

The current stable version of the lead of James Watson describes certain controversial comments that led to Watson's resignation in 2007 thusly:

He was then appointed chancellor, serving until 2007[4] when he resigned his position after making controversial comments claiming a link between intelligence and geographical ancestry.[5][6][7][8][9]

Over the past months several editors (most recently myself) have attempted to change this wording to one which they argue more accurately represents third party coverage of Watson's comments (diffs: [18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27]). Suggestions have included:

  • ...after making controversial comments claiming a link between race and intelligence.
  • ...after making controversial comments about the intelligence of Africans and people of African descent.
  • Watson resigned this position and was widely shunned after making comments implying black people are less intelligent than others.

These changes have been reverted by others who argue that they are not supported by the sources; or that they imply Watson is racist, and that this violates WP:NPOV, WP:BLP and/or WP:ARBR&I. Lengthy discussions on this talk page have failed to resolve the dispute, and we think a wider discussion amongst uninvolved editors is sorely needed. Joe Roe (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox observatory

Does this "Infobox observatories" follow the letter, or spirit, of "Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikidata Phase 2", which discussed whether importing data from Wikidata (which is not a reliable source because it is based on data added by unvetted users, just as Wikipedia is not a reliable source because it is edited by unvetted users) adhered to the verifiability policy. The conclusion was "It is appropriate to modify existing infoboxes to permit Wikidata inclusion when there is no existing English Wikipedia data for a specific field in the infobox". This infobox displays all the telescopes that can be found either entered by Wikipedia editors, or contained in the Wikidata item for the observatory. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:33, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Twin paradox

I believe that the statement in the first paragraph of this article '... according to an incorrect naive application of time dilation and the principle of relativity ...' does not exhibit the neutrality expected from WP articles. Accordingly, I edited it to make it neutral. This edit has been reverted by the moderator. May I please have opinion, not on the correctness or otherwise of the application referred to, but on the appropriateness of such a biased statement in a WP article.Ed Addis (talk) 10:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:SIG MCX

Should a firearm article encourage shooters to try and "beat the record" with any particular firearm, exacting a larger death toll than already achieved by an earlier mass shooter, by mentioning that a particular firearm was used in the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history, or should it just say that the firearm was used in a particular mass shooting, without the added sensationalism of adding ", which is the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history."? Background: See for example, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/report-newtown-shooter-researched-several-mass-murderers/ where the shooter researched past mass shootings in an attempt to "beat the record." 18:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Category talk:Violence against men

Which version is better? version A or version B? diff.

See the above discussion. I contend that version B is a logical inconsistency.

jps (talk) 01:11, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Vani Hari

Editors are discussing how to construct one paragraph on this page. Which of these two versions is better? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Impact of the privatisation of British Rail

Recently, I strove to make this article more neutral by inserting a diagram which plainly shows state subsidy, instead of dividing out the passenger kilometers which is increased to help the operators gain more money, with the effect that passengers must travel in more crowded trains. In this way, it would become apparent that state subsidy for the railway (which is what the diagram says it measures) has actually increased by a dramatic amount; this fact is hidden in the way the current diagram is "normalized". I urge bypassers to remind the coauthors who have obstructed myself of the principles of wikipedia, in particular WP:NPOV, which indicates that diagrams should not be used to make a point for the privatisation by "massaging" them so that the increase in subsidy seems less severe. --Mathmensch (talk) 11:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles

This RFC covers two automotive articles with similar disputed material. Please comment on either or both additions (please indicate an article if comments don't apply to both).

The specific addition to the Ford F-650 intro section page is below [[28]]:

A 1993 Ford F-700 was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. The truck's key code and axle serial number became significant evidence in the trial of Timothy McVeigh.

The specific addition to the Chevrolet Caprice page as a section titled Famous Owners is below [[29]]:

The Beltway sniper attacks used a 1990 blue Caprice as a mobile snipers' nest. The car had been modified with a special opening for the rifle to shoot out the back of the trunk, and the back seat had been altered to allow entry to the trunk from within the passenger compartment. The snipers were abducted by the FBI while they slept in it. The events inspired a 2013 motion picture, Blue Caprice.

Springee (talk) 19:29, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Ethereum

Hello, I created two different discussions (maybe should have made one in retrospect) over on the noticeboards relating to a long standing (ad nauseam) discussion on this talk page (and archives) relating to if this page is WP:FRINGE (as is claimed by @David Gerard: and thus higher standards WP:FRIND sources must be used (largely excluding industry rag publications such as CoinDesk and CoinTelegraph). This ongoing dispute relating to sources results in possibly biased editors (see above talk page comments) such as @Earl King Jr.: deleting all sorts of content, down even to the the launch date of Ethereum (a non-controversial fact). Please comment on these noticeboards, or here Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Ethereum and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#CoinDesk_and_CoinTelegraph_on_the_article_Ethereum Thank you Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:37, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Michael Greger

Does the blog post by Harriet A. Hall referenced in this article violate WP:BLPSPS? Sammy1339 (talk 00:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


Art, architecture, literature, and media

Talk:Harvard University

Does Harvard University's expansion plan warrant its own section, or subsection, in the article on the university? X4n6 (talk) 08:49, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music)

The "Disambiguation" section in this page is outdated, as in recent months multiple discussions have occurred that affect it. Because of this, I am proposing a new rewording of the whole subsection of NCM. --Relisting. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 23:14, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Jules Feiffer

I don't see this discussion resolving so I thought it best to start an RFC for which picture is preferred where in the article. Tduk (talk) 17:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Gawker Media

All there in the title. Going forward should this article be renamed to Gizmodo Media Group or should we create a new article with that name as a continuation? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:35, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:The 100 (TV series)

As seen with this edit, what is essentially at dispute is the following sentence: "A national debate among writers and fans about the trope ensued, with Lexa emerging as an icon for perpetration of the trope." One editor feels that the current summary is enough and that the Lexa (The 100) article should cover the rest. The other editor feels that the fact that the character's death inspired a national debate, rather than simply a small, localized uproar, and that the character became the face of the "bury your gays" trope, should be relayed. The edit also shows that two references were removed, but the two references aren't really a deal-beaker in the dispute. More on the dispute is seen above this section on the talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:The Great British Bake Off (series 7)

Should information that this series would be the last to be broadcast on BBC and its presenters would leave be included here? Hzh (talk) 02:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:I Am... Sasha Fierce

The sentence in question, attributed to this article by News.com.au which said the album received "lukewarm reviews". Should it be removed? Dan56 (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:David (Michelangelo)

Should the article include both of this and this photo? Please consider that this photo details genitals, waist and other parts well while this one seems excess and does not make further help for understanding the text. --Mhhossein talk 14:15, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Kaine (disambiguation)

Should "Kaine" lead to this disambiguation page? To Senator and Vice-Presidential nominee Tim Kaine? Or to comic book character Kaine?E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Gamergate draft

Regarding the Gamergate controversy, is this draft an improvement relative to the existing article? Rhoark (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction

So, in order to come to a consensus, let's discuss each one individually. The question to be answered here is "Who is considered an 'influential pioneer' in the field of science fiction?" The first three sections are to determine if we should keep the section or remove it, and then if we keep it, what subsections it should be divided into and the limit on the number of entries that should be in each section.···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Louis C.K.

Should the sexual harassment allegations about CK be mentioned in this page? --Jpcase (talk) 13:07, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


Politics, government, and law

Talk:Breaking the Silence (non-governmental organization)

Should the Amos Harel opinion be included in this article? Is it significantly notable? Does it amount to OR?PPX (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Terry McAuliffe

Should the first sentence of the Voting rights sub-section include the words in bold?

"On April 22, 2016, McAuliffe signed an executive order restoring voting rights to more than 200,000 ex-felons in Virginia, including those convicted of violent crimes such as murder and rape. Instaurare (talk) 04:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump

Should Image C or E be used in the lead? To indicate less-than-strong support, feel free to divide six votes between C and E, as was instructed up to September 20. ~ Rob13Talk 13:49, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Han Chinese

Some numbers of Han people are unsourced, even after being tagged for citation needed for over a month. Examples are, as in this version, "15,722" in Finland, "ca 40,000" in Cuba, "144,928" in the Netherlands and "197,214" in Spain. Should we Keep them or Remove them? Please indicate which one you prefer. Lysimachi (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Han Chinese

Some numbers of Han people are actually those of Chinese people, where there is no reference to Han in the source and where non-Han Chinese are included. An example is "655,377" in Japan. There are three possible solutions:
Keep
Remove
Move to Chinese people

Please indicate which one you prefer. Lysimachi (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Kaine (disambiguation)

Should "Kaine" lead to this disambiguation page? To Senator and Vice-Presidential nominee Tim Kaine? Or to comic book character Kaine?E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016

Should the following statement be added to the "Controversies" section of this article:

At a fundraiser on September 9, 2016, Clinton stated "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it."[10] Clinton's comment was criticized by her opponents, and the following day she stated that she regretted saying 'half', and added "It’s deplorable that Trump has built his campaign largely on prejudice and paranoia and given a national platform to hateful views and voices, including by retweeting fringe bigots with a few dozen followers and spreading their message to 11 million people."[11][12][13]CFredkin (talk) 17:37, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Gamergate draft

Regarding the Gamergate controversy, is this draft an improvement relative to the existing article? Rhoark (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Murder of Milly Dowler

This RfC is a continuation of the above discussion, "Infobox title". What should the title of the infobox at the top of the article be? Linguist 111 Moi? Moi. 17:03, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:ISIL territorial claims

Should the article 'ISIL territorial claims' contain an infobox; and if so, which should be used? Muffled Pocketed 14:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Template talk:Democratic Party (United States)/meta/color

Should this template remain as #3333FF or should it be changed to #34AAE0? Note: the latter shade is officially used in the Democratic Party's logo.--Neveselbert 01:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Denial of the Holodomor

Should the "Douglas Tottle and Others" section contain the following?

According to Canadian historians, "Eventually Tottle’s book lost credibility in all but the fringe Stalinist circles, but in the late 1980s material from it appeared in the American “Village Voice”[1] and various student newspapers in Canada" [30]. According to Cathy Young, "the West has its own inglorious history with regard to the famine, starting with the deliberate cover-up by Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times correspondent Walter Duranty. In the late 1980s, the famine gained new visibility thanks to Robert Conquest's The Harvest of Sorrow: Soviet Collectivization and the Terror-Famine (1987) and the TV documentary Harvest of Despair, aired in the United States and Canada. A backlash from the left was quick to follow. Revisionist Sovietologist J. Arch Getty accused Conquest of parroting the propaganda of "exiled nationalists." And in January 1988, the Village Voice ran a lengthy essay by Jeff Coplon (now a contributing editor at New York magazine) titled "In Search of a Soviet Holocaust: A 55-Year-Old Famine Feeds the Right." Coplon sneered at "the prevailing vogue of anti-Stalinism" and dismissed as absurd the idea that the famine had been created by the Communist regime. Such talk, he asserted, was meant to justify U.S. imperialism and whitewash Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazis."[14] In a letter to the editors, Robert Conquest dismissed the article by Coplon as "error and absurdity".[15]

Kingsindian   03:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


Religion and philosophy

The following discussions are requested to have community-wide attention:

Category talk:People of Jewish descent

In 2014 there was a very long discussion on this same talkpage, should Category:People of Middle Eastern descent be added to this category. Obviously nobody disagrees that the Middle East is the cradle of Judaism and the Jewish people, but that is not the same. The conclusion of that discussion, in which both sides had several proponents, was that there is no consensus for the "Middle East" category. The category, that was added originally in 2012, was not removed at after that discussion, for reasons that do not matter much at this moment. The arguments against its inclusion remain the same, and are basically two-fold:
  1. Jews do not consider themselves to be of Middle Eastern descent.
  2. There have been many proselytes over the ages, making it doubtful (to a very high degree) that any person of Jewish descent is in fact of Middle Eastern descent.

The first point can benefit from some explanation. Jews who emigrated from Germany to, let's say, Israel or the United States, will call themselves German Jews. And the same for Jews from Syria, e.g., who call themselves Chalabi Jews wherever they are. But that is as far as it goes! Nobody knows in which countries their forefathers from more than a few generations ago lived, and nobody cares! Certainly, if you'd ask any Jew straightforward, if they are of Middle Eastern decent, nobody would say they are because of the mere fact of being a Jew alone.

To further illustrate this point I retold a known Jewish joke in the previous discussion, about two Jews, let's say both 100% Ashkenazic Jews, where one tells the other: "Do you know you are an Iraqi Jew?" and then when the other guy vehemently denies he says "All Jews are descended from Abraham who came from Ur which is in Iraq". A similar proof ad absurdum regards mankind as a whole: most scientific and genetic research agrees that man comes from Africa, and nevertheless, not all "of .. descent" categories are part of "People of African descent", and it would be ridiculous to impose that scientific fact on descent categories, and the same is true in this case. The more so that in this case, where it is not a sure fact at all, in view of the second point regarding proselytes.

I propose to reach a conclusion that there is no place for "Middle East" categories, and per the same token "West Asian" or "Asian" categories, on any of the "Jewish descent" categories. There is at present no conformity on this issue in all of the "Jewish descent" categories, and of the many "Jewish descent" categories, some have one or more of the above. This Rfc strives to reach a conclusion that would be binding for all of them, and in my opinion that conclusion should be that those categories are out of place on all "Jewish descent" categories. Debresser (talk) 13:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Daniel (biblical figure)

Should the words "According to the prominent biblical scholar Michael Coogan" go in front of the statement "the Book of Daniel, like Ruth and Esther, is historical fiction"? StAnselm (talk) 03:45, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


Society, sports, and culture

Talk:James Watson

How should the lead section describe the comments that lead to Watson's resignation from CSHL in 2007?

Background

The current stable version of the lead of James Watson describes certain controversial comments that led to Watson's resignation in 2007 thusly:

He was then appointed chancellor, serving until 2007[4] when he resigned his position after making controversial comments claiming a link between intelligence and geographical ancestry.[16][6][7][8][9]

Over the past months several editors (most recently myself) have attempted to change this wording to one which they argue more accurately represents third party coverage of Watson's comments (diffs: [31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40]). Suggestions have included:

  • ...after making controversial comments claiming a link between race and intelligence.
  • ...after making controversial comments about the intelligence of Africans and people of African descent.
  • Watson resigned this position and was widely shunned after making comments implying black people are less intelligent than others.

These changes have been reverted by others who argue that they are not supported by the sources; or that they imply Watson is racist, and that this violates WP:NPOV, WP:BLP and/or WP:ARBR&I. Lengthy discussions on this talk page have failed to resolve the dispute, and we think a wider discussion amongst uninvolved editors is sorely needed. Joe Roe (talk) 21:10, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Category talk:People of Jewish descent

In 2014 there was a very long discussion on this same talkpage, should Category:People of Middle Eastern descent be added to this category. Obviously nobody disagrees that the Middle East is the cradle of Judaism and the Jewish people, but that is not the same. The conclusion of that discussion, in which both sides had several proponents, was that there is no consensus for the "Middle East" category. The category, that was added originally in 2012, was not removed at after that discussion, for reasons that do not matter much at this moment. The arguments against its inclusion remain the same, and are basically two-fold:
  1. Jews do not consider themselves to be of Middle Eastern descent.
  2. There have been many proselytes over the ages, making it doubtful (to a very high degree) that any person of Jewish descent is in fact of Middle Eastern descent.

The first point can benefit from some explanation. Jews who emigrated from Germany to, let's say, Israel or the United States, will call themselves German Jews. And the same for Jews from Syria, e.g., who call themselves Chalabi Jews wherever they are. But that is as far as it goes! Nobody knows in which countries their forefathers from more than a few generations ago lived, and nobody cares! Certainly, if you'd ask any Jew straightforward, if they are of Middle Eastern decent, nobody would say they are because of the mere fact of being a Jew alone.

To further illustrate this point I retold a known Jewish joke in the previous discussion, about two Jews, let's say both 100% Ashkenazic Jews, where one tells the other: "Do you know you are an Iraqi Jew?" and then when the other guy vehemently denies he says "All Jews are descended from Abraham who came from Ur which is in Iraq". A similar proof ad absurdum regards mankind as a whole: most scientific and genetic research agrees that man comes from Africa, and nevertheless, not all "of .. descent" categories are part of "People of African descent", and it would be ridiculous to impose that scientific fact on descent categories, and the same is true in this case. The more so that in this case, where it is not a sure fact at all, in view of the second point regarding proselytes.

I propose to reach a conclusion that there is no place for "Middle East" categories, and per the same token "West Asian" or "Asian" categories, on any of the "Jewish descent" categories. There is at present no conformity on this issue in all of the "Jewish descent" categories, and of the many "Jewish descent" categories, some have one or more of the above. This Rfc strives to reach a conclusion that would be binding for all of them, and in my opinion that conclusion should be that those categories are out of place on all "Jewish descent" categories. Debresser (talk) 13:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Imperial College London

At risk of violating the 3RR, I'm asking whether other edits believe we should have this statement in the lead.

"Imperial is consistently ranked as one of the world's top ten universities". To me, this is misleading as only 2 rankings put the university in the top ten worldwide. In the ARWU it is ranked 22nd and this information is presented further down the article. Aloneinthewild (talk) 11:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Jules Feiffer

I don't see this discussion resolving so I thought it best to start an RFC for which picture is preferred where in the article. Tduk (talk) 17:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:European Open (snooker)

It is proposed by Creepy pasta to create a European Masters (snooker) article to house the 2016 entry, on the basis that he believes it belongs to a different family of tournaments to the European Open/Malta Cup. This is a retrospective application because the article has already been created via a bold edit. The two options are:

  1. Split this article, resulting in retaining European Masters (snooker) and removing the 2016 content from European Open (snooker)
  2. Retain European Open (snooker) in its pre-split form and redirecting European Masters (snooker) to European Open (snooker).

Betty Logan (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:The 100 (TV series)

As seen with this edit, what is essentially at dispute is the following sentence: "A national debate among writers and fans about the trope ensued, with Lexa emerging as an icon for perpetration of the trope." One editor feels that the current summary is enough and that the Lexa (The 100) article should cover the rest. The other editor feels that the fact that the character's death inspired a national debate, rather than simply a small, localized uproar, and that the character became the face of the "bury your gays" trope, should be relayed. The edit also shows that two references were removed, but the two references aren't really a deal-beaker in the dispute. More on the dispute is seen above this section on the talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Han Chinese

Some numbers of Han people are unsourced, even after being tagged for citation needed for over a month. Examples are, as in this version, "15,722" in Finland, "ca 40,000" in Cuba, "144,928" in the Netherlands and "197,214" in Spain. Should we Keep them or Remove them? Please indicate which one you prefer. Lysimachi (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Han Chinese

Some numbers of Han people are actually those of Chinese people, where there is no reference to Han in the source and where non-Han Chinese are included. An example is "655,377" in Japan. There are three possible solutions:
Keep
Remove
Move to Chinese people

Please indicate which one you prefer. Lysimachi (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:2016 World Cup of Hockey

*My proposition is to hide (collapse) the pre-tournament games. See [41] 95.133.211.190 (talk) 08:53, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Onnit

Should this content covering Onnit Academy be restored to the page? I've restored the information and it has been reverted each time by Zefr noting it is trivial, minor, irrelevant, insignificant, and promotional. So, for the sake of preventing an edit war, I am requesting other users' input on whether the content warrants inclusion. Meatsgains (talk) 01:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Vani Hari

Editors are discussing how to construct one paragraph on this page. Which of these two versions is better? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Gamergate draft

Regarding the Gamergate controversy, is this draft an improvement relative to the existing article? Rhoark (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:List of awareness ribbons

This list contains many entries which are plainly not in the least bit significant, large numbers sourced only to the organisation promoting the ribbon, a fair number sourced to blogs or other unreliable sources, and quite a few that have no source at all.

I think that as a matter of curating this content we need to adopt a firm and straightforward rule for inclusion: I propose that the following criterion is used:

Each entry must be supported by one or more reliable independent sources establishing the significance and context of the ribbon campaign. Unsourced entries will be removed.

In fact this should be true of all content in Wikipedia but the issue here is the constant addition of poorly sourced content by well-meaning newcomers so I think we need to establish a precedent of removing unsourced or poorly sourced content. Guy (Help!) 09:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Science Fiction

So, in order to come to a consensus, let's discuss each one individually. The question to be answered here is "Who is considered an 'influential pioneer' in the field of science fiction?" The first three sections are to determine if we should keep the section or remove it, and then if we keep it, what subsections it should be divided into and the limit on the number of entries that should be in each section.···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Galway United F.C.

Should the merger of Galway United F.C. (1937–2011) and Galway United F.C. (originally Galway United F.C. (2013) be reverted to provide for a separate article on each? There is currently a dispute (I have now copied the discussion here), about whether the current Galway United club is a new club or a continuation of the original club. Mooretwin (talk) 13:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)


Wikipedia style and naming

Talk:List of bus routes in London

Should the list of bus routes in London be colour coded to show which routes are 24 hours or weekend only? Comments made above were before the RfC was opened; but I feel that this requires further input from more editors. jcc (tea and biscuits) 15:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


Wikipedia policies and guidelines

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music)

The "Disambiguation" section in this page is outdated, as in recent months multiple discussions have occurred that affect it. Because of this, I am proposing a new rewording of the whole subsection of NCM. --Relisting. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 23:14, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Harassment

Is it appropriate to make an exception to WP:NOTPUNITIVE for blocks made for violations of WP:OUTING? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:45, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation

Proposal: Change Disambiguation and Deletion policy pages to eliminate deletion of two-item disambiguation pages.

IMO, deletion of disambiguation pages based on wp:TWODABS NEVER makes sense. If neither of two exact match items is primary, all should agree the dab is needed. If one of two is primary, the dab page is not absolutely required, but if it is created, it should be kept. Why?

  • 1. Readers seeking the primary use meaning get to it immediately, are unaffected by the dab.
  • 2. Avoid wasting editors' time in monitoring Category:Disambiguation pages containing one non-primary topic to find dabs which can be eliminated, and time wasted by other editors in AFDs and other deletion processes.
  • 3. Disambiguation pages are glorified redirects, and wp:Redirects are cheap Like the essay wp:redirects are cheap says about redirects, disambiguation pages also "take up minimal disk space and use very little bandwidth. Thus, it doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around." (Restated per comments.)
  • 4. Another exact match may turn up soon, or eventually, and can be added.
  • 5. A disambiguation page can hold other items useful to readers that are not exact matches, in the list of items being disambiguation or in "See also". Readers don't necessarily know their target is not an exact match; partial matches are helpful.
  • 6. Technically, we violate Wikipedia's promise to contributors that they will receive credit, each time a two-dabs page is deleted and then recreated later with two or more items.
  • 7. Deletions of two-dab pages are, like all other deletion actions, a negative that contributors often experience as an insult or dismissal or otherwise as a turnoff. People need 7 or 8 positives to counter a negative experience. Negativity drives down participation.

Why not?

  • 1. Readers seeking the non-primary use meaning will arrive at the primary use topic and, instead of seeing hatnote taking them directly to the non-primary use, they might be directed to the disambiguation page instead, requiring one more step. But:
    • a) If the non-primary use name is long and would make the hatnote unwieldy, readers might already be directed to the disambiguation page, under current policy.
    • b) We can simply choose not to require the hatnote to go to the disambiguation page. Change wp:TWODABS to allow it explicity: "If there is only one non-primary use on the dab page, the hatnote can go directly to that."

The current process described in wp:Disambiguation's wp:TWODABS section involves tagging TWODABS disambiguation pages with {{Only-two-dabs}}, and allowing deletion if, after some non-defined length of time, other items are not added. Let's stop the bureaucracy, reduce slightly the pipeline of articles into AFD, stop the slow churning that goes on here, and get rid of one small component of Wikipedia's negativity. --doncram 16:22, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs

It is unclear how the addition of "cover versions" and "alt Artist" fields is supposed to benefit song articles. There are now 15 new fields for "covers": 5 for "alt Artist", 5 for "Recorded by", and 5 for "Performed by". No guidance was provided and "alt Artist" seems to duplicate the "Recorded by" or "Performed by" fields. Besides these overlaps, "cover songs" (even the use of the term) is a problem area in song articles. WP:SONGCOVER, which provides guidelines for the addition of song renditions to articles, is routinely ignored. Large numbers of "covers", regardless of suitability and lacking sources, are added to articles. Providing fields for cover versions in the infobox would compound the problem.

Except regarding the merger of Infobox standard with Infobox song,[42] the addition of cover versions was not discussed. On March 16, 2015, "Cover versions" and "alt Artist" were added, along with the infobox standard parameters "Recorded by" and "Performed by".[43][44] On July 18, 2016, these were expanded to include "alt Artist2–5", "Recorded by2–5", and "Performed by2–5", with the edit note "Support up to 5 cover versions".[45] Since this is a relatively new addition, it may have seen little or no use, so removing these parameters should not be disruptive and may be cleaned up easily. Please indicate Support to remove or Oppose to retain "Cover versions"/"alt Artists" from {{infobox song}}. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:25, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion

Should the instructions for listing a template for discussion be changed to allow noincluding the TfD tag in more cases? Pppery (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Protect user pages by default

Shall user pages be protected by default from editing by anonymous and new users? Funcrunch (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


WikiProjects and collaborations



Wikipedia technical issues and templates

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs

It is unclear how the addition of "cover versions" and "alt Artist" fields is supposed to benefit song articles. There are now 15 new fields for "covers": 5 for "alt Artist", 5 for "Recorded by", and 5 for "Performed by". No guidance was provided and "alt Artist" seems to duplicate the "Recorded by" or "Performed by" fields. Besides these overlaps, "cover songs" (even the use of the term) is a problem area in song articles. WP:SONGCOVER, which provides guidelines for the addition of song renditions to articles, is routinely ignored. Large numbers of "covers", regardless of suitability and lacking sources, are added to articles. Providing fields for cover versions in the infobox would compound the problem.

Except regarding the merger of Infobox standard with Infobox song,[46] the addition of cover versions was not discussed. On March 16, 2015, "Cover versions" and "alt Artist" were added, along with the infobox standard parameters "Recorded by" and "Performed by".[47][48] On July 18, 2016, these were expanded to include "alt Artist2–5", "Recorded by2–5", and "Performed by2–5", with the edit note "Support up to 5 cover versions".[49] Since this is a relatively new addition, it may have seen little or no use, so removing these parameters should not be disruptive and may be cleaned up easily. Please indicate Support to remove or Oppose to retain "Cover versions"/"alt Artists" from {{infobox song}}. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:25, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Template talk:Democratic Party (United States)/meta/color

Should this template remain as #3333FF or should it be changed to #34AAE0? Note: the latter shade is officially used in the Democratic Party's logo.--Neveselbert 01:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion

Should the instructions for listing a template for discussion be changed to allow noincluding the TfD tag in more cases? Pppery (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Special:UnusedCategories

Should the special page exclude categories that are solely redirects? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 22:26, 30 August 2016 (UTC)


Wikipedia proposals

Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion

Should the instructions for listing a template for discussion be changed to allow noincluding the TfD tag in more cases? Pppery (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Protect user pages by default

Shall user pages be protected by default from editing by anonymous and new users? Funcrunch (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


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Veltechuniv

Veltechuniv (talk · contribs)

The account was created about a week ago and made edits to Vel Tech Dr.RR & Dr.SR Technical University. I left a warning on their userpage at that time. They came back again a couple of days ago and added more to the same article. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:58, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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JosepStalin

JosepStalin (talk · contribs)

Taking into account the fact usernames are now global, I'd like to know your opinion on this username discussed at ruwiki ru:ВП:ВУ#JosepStalin. How would it be seen outside the Russian wiki community? Acceptable? Provocative or offensive? Thank you. Volkov (?!) 20:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Formal notes: I notified the user, in case you forgot to do so. On en-WP, the account has recent edits about Russian politics, including potentially contentious areas. I have not checked deep for behavioral problems, but as usual, the username can be an aggravating factor. I cannot read Russian, so no comment about the ru-WP thread. I am not sure about what happens if the two discussions have diverging results; I would assume if either community wants a name change they will get it even if the other sees no problem.
Disallow. I tend to think WP:REALNAME does not apply - Joseph Stalin is long dead already, and in all likelihood editors on Russian topics will be aware of that.
However, I also think WP:ATTACKNAME does apply. A username inspired by Adolf Hitler would be (I think) an instant block. Stalin has less emotional charge in the "West" (defined in Cold War terms), but that is partly due to the facts that (1) communist parties in various countries engaged in revisionism for a long time and (2) they were not directly affected by the mass-murders. If the en-WP community was restricted to the "West" I would say to allow; but en-Wiki is not West-Wiki. A Ukrainian editor, for instance, would probably have strong feelings on this. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:24, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
For me the nickname JosepStalin is definitely defiant and very provocative. — Nikolai (talk) 19:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Disallow I feel it could be an attempt at trolling to try to rile up users here and on other wikis. RegistryKey(RegEdit) 17:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

LGBTmovement

LGBTmovement (talk · contribs)

User has attempted to promote just that. Revoke talk page access to prevent further abuse. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 01:46, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
@Some Gadget Geek: I see no contributions from user after the block, so I doubt there is good reason to revoke TP access. If you have good reason to suspect so, do not post it here, but try your luck at WP:AIV or WP:ANI. TigraanClick here to contact me 13:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


Bollywood Nude


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Notes

  1. ^ a b Jeff Coplon, "In Search of a Soviet Holocaust", The Village Voice, January 12, 1988.
  2. ^ Cathy Young (8 December 2008). "Remember the Holodomor: The Soviet starvation of Ukraine, 75 years later". The Weekly Standard. Retrieved 1 November 2015. 
  3. ^ Conquest, Robert (February 2, 1988). "Letters to the editors". New York: Village Voice. Archived from the original on 18 November 2016.  – Reprinted by the The Ukrainian Weekly, February 21, 1988
  4. ^ a b "Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory James D. Watson". cshl.edu. 2013. Archived from the original on May 24, 2013. Retrieved June 12, 2013. 
  5. ^ Crawford, Hayley. "Short Sharp Science:James Watson menaced by hoodies shouting 'racist!'". New Scientist. Retrieved 24 April 2014. ... he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really". 
  6. ^ a b Watson, J.D. "James Watson: To question genetic intelligence is not racism", Independent, October 19, 2007. Retrieved October 24, 2007
  7. ^ a b Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. October 18, 2007. Statement by Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Board of Trustees and President Bruce Stillman, PhD Regarding Dr. Watson’s Comments in The Sunday Times on October 14, 2007. Press release. Retrieved October 24, 2007. Archived September 10, 2010, at the Wayback Machine.
  8. ^ a b Wigglesworth, K.DNA pioneer quits after race comments, L.A. Times, October 26, 2007. Retrieved December 5, 2007
  9. ^ a b ""Nobel prize-winning biologist resigns."", CNN, October 25, 2007. Retrieved on October 25, 2007.
  10. ^ "Hillary Clinton's 'Basket Of Deplorables,' In Full Context Of This Ugly Campaign". NPR. September 10, 2016. Retrieved September 12, 2016. 
  11. ^ "Hillary Clinton Says She Regrets Part of Her 'Deplorables' Comment". Time. September 10, 2016. Retrieved September 12, 2016. 
  12. ^ "Hillary Clinton Calls Many Trump Backers 'Deplorables,' and GOP Pounces". New York Times. September 10, 2016. Retrieved September 12, 2016. 
  13. ^ "Conservatives, progressives battle over 'deplorables,' leaving quote itself behind". Washington Post. September 10, 2016. Retrieved September 12, 2016. 
  14. ^ Cathy Young (8 December 2008). "Remember the Holodomor: The Soviet starvation of Ukraine, 75 years later". The Weekly Standard. Retrieved 1 November 2015. 
  15. ^ Conquest, Robert (February 2, 1988). "Letters to the editors". New York: Village Voice. Archived from the original on 18 November 2016.  – Reprinted by the The Ukrainian Weekly, February 21, 1988
  16. ^ Crawford, Hayley. "Short Sharp Science:James Watson menaced by hoodies shouting 'racist!'". New Scientist. Retrieved 24 April 2014. ... he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really".