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March 20[edit]

Metaquestion: Is there a way to look up all answers on Ref Desk?[edit]

Maybe I'm completely missing a feature, but is there a simple way to find the latest version of a question before it was removed from the page? I usually browse the history of a RD page until I find the version where the question disappeared but that's not the most efficient way is it?

If it's not on WP itself, I hope someone already made a website with all the questions ever together with the full discussion. Joepnl (talk) 01:07, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Your best bet is to search the archives. There is no other website. --Viennese Waltz 07:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Searching in the archives for specific content with an unknown date is a very tedious process. However, if it was a recent question, just go to the most recent archive and work your way backward until you find it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:42, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
There's a keyword archive search box at the top of every RD page, although I agree it's not very user-friendly. There's no way to narrow it down by date nor (as far as I can see, anyway) by desk. An alternative is to use Google i.e. something like "search term" site:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives. --Viennese Waltz 09:52, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
If it's easier to do a Wikipedia archive search via Google than via Wikipedia itself, then maybe those highly-paid WMF developers could do something useful and enhance Wikipedia's search functions. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:14, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
One thing that can be a bit confusing about searching the archives is that questions are listed by date posted, not date archived. So, if it just disappeared from here yesterday, it could be in the archives with a date a week ago or more. SinisterLefty (talk) 10:48, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
You can search by individual desk here. Matt Deres (talk) 15:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Hey, I never knew that page existed. Thanks. --Viennese Waltz 15:29, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Either way, the items come back in random date order. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Pavement Ends road sign[edit]

MUTCD W8-3a.svg

Road signs in the United States says that the sign at right is superseded, but some signs still in use. It doesn't mention any other signs (whether national MUTCD or otherwise official in one or more states) that serve roughly the same purpose. Are there any, and if so, what do they look like? It's easy to find online images of these signs and of signs saying simply "Pavement Ends", but I'm unclear whether they're statewide official, or if they're just put there unofficially (e.g. by a local government that just made up a sign). I've often seen this superseded sign in Virginia, but I don't remember seeing it elsewhere. Nyttend backup (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

The MUTCD is available here (30 megabyte PDF). It specifies that the "Pavement Ends" sign (sign W8-3) is the one with the words "PAVEMENT ENDS". Presumably the graphical sign illustrated was allowed as an alternative, but no longer is. -- (talk) 18:45, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
For pure anecdote, I've never seen that sign before. Here in California I've only ever seen signs consisting of text on the standard yellow diamond or rectangle: "PAVEMENT ENDS 500 FEET", "UNPAVED ROAD", "GRAVEL ROAD", etc. As to "who puts up the signs", here, on surface streets I'm fairly sure it's either city (in incorporated cities) or county government. Caltrans only maintains state and federal highways. -- (talk) 23:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the illustrated sign is used in Caanda. The Canadian equivalent of the MUTCD doesn't seem to be available online, but this provincial document from British Columbia from 2000 shows the sign as W-49 (with no textual alternative). -- (talk) 08:51, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I often have trouble understanding what these graphic representations mean. Does this one mean the road ends in a wall of honeycomb? HiLo48 (talk) 00:25, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it was introduced after this 1978 documentary raised concerns. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 03:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

March 21[edit]

Biggest large agricultural estate in the world of all time[edit]

What is the biggest large agricultural estate in the world of all time?--2001:B07:6463:31EE:5D9:BA2F:A14E:7789 (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

well given the Italian nature of your link, I am not sure what you want, but see Anna Creek Station at 23,677 km2. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 14:04, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
If non-contiguous: It seems the RC Church holds some 70 million hectares. Excluding Heaven which is infinite but not necessarily agricultural. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 16:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
According to [1] there are two very large farms in China, one at 22 million acres and the other at 11 million. RudolfRed (talk) 22:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh dear, can't you folk standardise your units? For one thing, I know for certain the Chinese don't use acres. Nor does at least 90% of the world. HiLo48 (talk) 00:27, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
The cited source specifically says acres and makes no mention of hectares. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
"You folk"?! HiLo48, you've been editing on Wikipedia with a User account for more than 9 years, long enough to (a) be counted as one of "us folk" and (b) to know that we quote sources but do not engage in Synthesis. The OP did not ask for measurements in any particular units, and converting between units when using a computer on the Internet is a trivially easy operation. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 03:56, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
No Chinese source would have mentioned acres. Somebody did some "synthesis". What did the Chinese source for that source say? HiLo48 (talk) 06:38, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
What, you're asking for a primary source? —Tamfang (talk) 04:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
The metrics slaves hate non-conformity. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:17, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Non-conformity makes things harder for readers. Is that your goal? HiLo48 (talk) 06:38, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
There's nothing stopping you from posting a converted figure, nor is there anything compelling you to lecture the part of the audience that dislikes the metric system. However, mathematically speaking, the units don't matter. The OP asked what the largest farm is. Whether the units are acres, hectares, or square parsecs, the qualitative answer remains the same. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
Bugs, this wasn't just about you. I was also having a go at the two people who had used metric units. One used km2 and the other used hectares. HiLo48 (talk) 02:46, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, clearly square furlongs are the only logical choice. :) SinisterLefty (talk) 03:35, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Sure, the square furlong, i.e. 10 acres. As to the source in question, maybe someone should write to them and complain about them using only non-metric units. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

what website I can look up this tracking number from Spain on[edit]

Hi. I ordered something off of ebay from Spain and its being sent to Canada. The person gave me this tracking number: RF167849468ES. What website should I look up the number? Thank you! (talk) 23:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Tracking codes of the form XX (two letters) especially RX with R generally being registered, followed by a bunch of numbers followed by a two letter ISO county code are normally national postal service codes delivered using Universal Postal Union agreements in the foreign country via their postal service. Therefore it generally makes sense to check the sending postal service [2] and especially after it's been sent to the country, the destination one [3]. You can also try some generic ones which often can link into these systems eg [4] [5][6] [7] Nil Einne (talk) 23:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
eBay has for some time, at least for me in the U.S., allowed you to pull up tracking information from the order entry in "My eBay". Otherwise, just doing a Web search with the tracking number will often work these days. I believe at least Google and Bing try to automatically recognize tracking numbers, also using geolocation to try to guess the relevant carrier. -- (talk) 01:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I should note that for eBay, this requires the seller to enter the tracking information into eBay. If shipping is purchased through eBay, this happens automatically. -- (talk) 02:26, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
What did you buy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Are you asking me or the questioner? I've bought a lot of stuff, and I also sell some things on eBay. -- (talk) 05:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

March 22[edit]

Barry Ronge[edit]

Hi All, my Matric English exam paper was a comprehension piece exerted from a book by Barry Ronge where he explains the etymology of various phrases such as: "To eat humble pie". Please can someone name the book for me and if possible direct me to where it can be bought or better yet where it can be read online. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:59, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

We have an article on Barry Ronge which lists one book by him, Spit 'n Polish (Penguin 2006) This is a collection of work from his Sunday Times column and (from a description on a vending website page here) covers "some of Ronge's favourite topics such as . . . the peculiarities of the English language . . . [my italics]. He has also written More Spit 'n More Polish (mentioned at the foot of this article), which from its ISBN is evidently also published by Penguin.
It is likely that the extract came from one of these two books. Since they are recent Penguin publications, it is unlikely that they can legally be read online. You should be able to purchase either online via Penguin Books (whose most convenient website for you may depend on your location), or via new or second-hand booksellers of your choice. (I suspect the earlier volume may be out of print.) {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 14:40, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your help but I am fairly confident that it was neither of these books as he had published before this. I Matriculated in 2001, before the books listed were published. Also the article is less then complete as in the late 1990's he also used to write a weekly column on K9 psychology which I used to read, and which is not mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Various sites, including World cat, only list the two books mentioned by the poster formerly known as etc. But Ronge wrote lots of articles before the two books, so it's likely the OP ran across one of those. Xuxl (talk) 17:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
A valid suggestion, which I might have made had the OP mentioned the date he read the piece at the outset. It's quite likely that the article quoted in the exam, presumably directly from the Sunday Times, is contained in one or other of the two books, which will likely be easier to obtain that an isolated article and will contain other similar articles which the OP will likely also find of interest. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 04:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

how do I close this page?[edit]

how do I close this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:30, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

You don't. MarnetteD|Talk 16:34, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Or, try the [X] button on top. —2606:A000:1126:28D:3873:46A8:372F:FD65 (talk) 19:49, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

March 23[edit]

Florida 2000 election (results in Miami)[edit]

Hello, a curiosity, if possible: I have never been able to find the final totals of the city of Miami, only of the city and not of the county, as regards the presidential elections of 2000. Can you help me? I imagine that in Miami, only in Miami, it was the vice president Gore of the alliance, who won and also with a good margin. I thank you in advance, a happy greeting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:00, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Is How Miami-Dade voted in the last five presidential elections any good? Alansplodge (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

March 24[edit]

Looking for remote-controlled car horn[edit]

Background: My car horn went nuts, going off at random. The mechanic wants $1500 to fix it, but only charged $200 to pull the fuse (what a bargain !). After I recovered from my heart attack, I began looking for cheaper after-market options.

I am trying to find this item for sale online. Features I would like:

  • Small. Needs to fit in tight engine compartment.
  • Waterproof.
  • Wireless remote. Key fob shape best.
  • Normal car horn beep sound. Not too loud. Volume setting a plus.
  • Horn power wires should have clips to hook onto car battery pos and neg terminals.

So, far, this is the closest I've found, but it makes siren sounds, not regular horn beep:

This one makes 7 tones, but I have no idea what those "tones" are:

Can anyone help me find what I need ? Thanks for your help ! SinisterLefty (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Not wanting to sidetrack but, is it actually a legal requirement where you are? I use mine around once a year, and if I had a better temper I'd probably never use it at all. Might be more economical to hang fire until you trade in for a newer car. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 04:39, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Our relevant article is Vehicle horn. Is there a reason not to fix your car's own horn circuit which is probably like this?
                     /                           \
                    /                       horn  \
                   /                       switch  \
   _______________/               fuse        /     |________________________
  /                         +-----OXO-------o/  o------------------------+   \
 |                          |                                            |    \
==                       +_____                                        __|___  \
                            -                                          |    |/
                  battery   :                                     horn |     
                          _____                                        |____|\
                            -                                            |
DroneB (talk) 14:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC
Unfortunately, it's far more complex than that. It's a Jeep Compass, with the infamous TIPM (Totally Integrated Power Module), which controls not only the horn but just about everything else, and frequently fails, and can't be serviced, and is extremely expensive to replace. Why did they do this ? Well, the horn also is tied in to the panic button on the key fob, which causes it to play a sequence of alarms until the key is placed in the ignition to stop it. I don't need this, but I do need a horn, mainly just to nudge the guy in front of me who hasn't noticed the light has changed (unless he's like the guy in the Beatles song, then there's not much hope). Still, I just want a friendly little honk, not something that will require him to change his shorts. SinisterLefty (talk) 15:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Rick Muscoplat is of the same opinion and suggests sending a note to Chrysler telling them how much you appreciate their incredibly stupid engineering. There is a repair service for the TIPM which looks like it can be opened and possibly be cleaned of corrosion with a Brake cleaner or Acetone, but I can't guarantee this will help. DroneB (talk) 17:44, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Google "Beatles lyrics He didn't notice that the lights had changed". In this one, the BBC objected to the drug ref ("I'd love to turn you on") and censored it.SinisterLefty (talk) 18:46, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

March 26[edit]


Does Wikipedia have a publisher?2600:6C67:517F:F5E2:C972:A76E:E87D:762F (talk) 01:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

For the purpose of citations, the articles are the publications, and Wikipedia is the publisher. If you're asking if someone owns Wikipedia, the web domain and trademarks are owned by the Wikimedia Foundation. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)