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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read our article titling policy and our guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move, such as when a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or if the page to be moved is protected from moves. In these circumstances, administrator help is required to move a page, see below: § Requesting technical moves.
  • A title may be subject to dispute, and discussion may be necessary in order to reach consensus, see below: § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. It is not always necessary to use the requested move process in these circumstances: one option is to start an informal discussion at the article's talk page instead.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users do not have the capability to move pages. They must request moves using this process.

Most move requests are processed by a group of regular contributors who are familiar with Wikipedia naming conventions, non-binding precedents, and page moving procedures. Requests are generally processed after seven days, although backlogs often develop. If there is a clear consensus after this time, or if the requested move is uncontroversial or technical, the request will be closed and acted upon. If not, the closer may choose to re-list the request to allow more time for consensus to develop, or close it as "no consensus". For the processes involved in closing requests, performing moves, and cleaning up after moves, see Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions. For a list of all processed moves, see Special:Log/move.

To contest a close, the Move review process is designed to evaluate a contested close of a move discussion to determine if the close was reasonable, or whether it was inconsistent with the spirit and intent of Wikipedia common practice, policies, or guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit]

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Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit]

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Anyone can be bold and move a page without discussing it first and gaining an explicit consensus on the talk page. If you consider such a move to be controversial, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit]

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The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. If any of the following apply to a desired move, treat it as potentially controversial:

  • There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title;
  • There has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • Someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

If a desired move is uncontroversial and technical in nature (e.g. spelling), please feel free to move the page yourself. If the page has recently been moved without discussion, you may revert the move and initiate a discussion on its talk page. In either case, if you are unable to complete the move, request it below.

  • To list a technical request, go to the bottom of this section that you are reading right now; edit the subsection Uncontroversial technical requests; insert the following code at the top:
{{subst:RMassist|<!--old page name, without brackets-->|<!--requested name, without brackets-->|reason= <!--reason for move-->}}
This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move it to the Contested technical requests section.

  • Alternatively, if the only obstacle to an uncontroversial move is another page in the way, you can ask for the deletion of the other page. This may apply, for example, if the other page is currently a redirect to the article to be moved, a redirect with no incoming links, or an unnecessary disambiguation page with a minor edit history. To request the other page be deleted, add the following code to the top of the page that is in the way:
{{db-move|<!--page to be moved here-->|<!--reason for move-->}}
This will list the undesired page for deletion under criterion for speedy deletion G6. If the page is a redirect, place the code above the redirection. For a list of articles being considered for uncontroversial speedy deletion, see Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion.

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit]

Contested technical requests[edit]

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit]

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves[edit]

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Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same article talk page, as this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move[edit]

(To propose moving more than one page—for example, moving a disambiguation page in order to move another page to that title—see "Requesting multiple page moves" below.)

To request a single page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, using this format:

{{subst:Requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). Leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template automatically creates the heading "Requested move 28 May 2015". Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. The template must be substituted.

Use the code |talk=yes to add separate locations for survey and discussion.

Note: Unlike certain other request processes on Wikipedia, nominations need not be neutral. Strive to make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and make reference to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topic. After the nomination has been made, nominators may nevertheless add a separate bullet point to support their nomination, but should add "as nominator" (for example,  * '''Rename, as nominator''': ...). Most nominators, however, simply allow the nomination itself to indicate what their opinion is. Nominators may also participate in the discussion along with everyone else, and often should.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please default to Google Books or Google News Archive before providing any web results. Do not sign this.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Closing instructions[edit]

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request, and more closers of move requests are needed, but there are certain procedures that need to be followed. Please read our closing instructions for information on how to close a move request.

Relisting[edit]

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. Preferably, a reason for the relist will be given. When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions.

To relist a move request discussion, simply type <small>'''Relisted'''. ~~~~</small> before the initial requester's first timestamp (see this diff for an example). This can also be done by using {{subst:Relisting}}, which signs the relisting automatically. The RMCD bot uses the new timestamp to relist the entry on this page.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion. One option is to notify relevant WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Applicable WikiProjects can often be determined by means of the banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request.

Current discussions[edit]

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format.

May 28, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)South Coast railway line, New South WalesIllawarra railway line – There has been a discussion that has been started recently regarding the proper name of the railway line between Redfern and Bomaderry. The official name is the South Coast railway line, though the line is more commonly referred to as the Illawarra railway line. Mo7838 has also pointed out that some official documents still call this stretch of track the Illawarra line. I think it's only appropriate that there be a discussion, with as many people involved, preferably from WikiProject Sydney and Australian editors at WikiProject Trains, on deciding what this railway be referred to, at the very least, on Wikipedia. --Relisted. PhilipTerryGraham ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 00:14, 28 May 2015 (UTC) PhilipTerryGraham ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 07:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

May 27, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Tamid GroupTAMID Group – TAMID Israel Investment Group changed their name to TAMID Group this past January, see their website at tamidgroup.org. I attempted to redirect the TAMID Israel Investment Group page to TAMID Group but this required me to do a copy-paste move, which wasn't ideal Tamidgroup123 (talk) 21:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SIGGSigg – Capital letters are not necessary because it is not an abbreviation but the name of the founder, Ferdinand Sigg. Heamo Wacko (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Art Pavilion in ZagrebArt Pavilion, Zagreb – The building's official name is Umjetnički paviljon u Zagrebu. This does indeed literally mean "Art Pavilion in Zagreb". However, although this is normal naming practice in many Eastern European languages, it is not normal naming practice in English, where we would usually replace the "in" with an "of" or simply with a comma (I personally believe the latter is more appropriate here) to specify which city it's in. I have now moved it twice and it has been moved back twice by the same editor, and I can't seem to make him see that this is not normal or intuitive English and that just because it's an official name in the native language doesn't mean we should translate literally into English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pillar (car)Pillar(automobile) – Was changed without dicussion, as "parent article" is Car. EXACTLY the same rationale was put forth to move Motorcycle Tyre to Motorcycle Tire and was shot down by a vocal british English contingent, thus, this is not an uncontroversial move, though, I completely agree it should be at "Pillar(car)", it should be changed back, and discussed first. 90.198.209.24 (talk) 08:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

May 26, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Schwarzlose M07/12Schwarzlose M.7 – The official Austro-Hungarian Army designation of the first (M.1907) model was Maschinengewehr Schwarzlose M.7 (Source - army manual). Shouldn't this article be named Schwarzlose M.7 and not by one of its variations, the M.7/12? I understand that more M.7/12s were made because of WWI, but anyway. M11rtinb (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Chip EstenCharles Esten – He only went by Chip on Whose Line, which is no longer his most notable role. Everywhere else, he goes by Charles, including Nashville, which is currently his most famous role. JDDJS (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Li GongLi Gong (computer scientist) – Most people searching for "Li Gong" want Gong Li the actress, who is listed as "Li Gong" on sites like IMDB or rotten tomatoes. This is obvious if you Google "Li Gong". "Li Gong" should redirect to "Gong Li" with a hatnote. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 08:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 22:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Harun ar-Rashid → ? – Following undiscussed move and this discussion. Both "Harun al-Rashid" and "Harun ar-Rashid" are perfectly fine alternatives for transliterating the same name, with the latter favoured by our WP:MOSAR guideline on Arabic names because it is closer to actual phonetic pronunciation. The problem is that the former form is overwhelmingly the more common in relevant literature (GBooks Ngram, 480 GBooks hits vs 112 hits, 4,120 GScholar hits vs 1,210 hits (all contain a few irrelevant hits of works by a modern biologist and other modern people with the name), and is used by the premier reference works on medieval Islam such as the Encyclopaedia of Islam ([1]), the Cambridge History of Islam ([2]), the Cambridge History of Iran ([3]), the Oxford History of Islam ([4]), the collective translation of al-Tabari ([5]), etc., by scholars like C. E. Bosworth, Hugh N. Kennedy, et al. In short, we have two equally correct forms, one of which is about four times more common in scholarly literature and clearly more common in the major English-language reference works. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 08:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC) Constantine 21:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Iraqi insurgency (2011–present)Iraq War (2011-present) – The war can not be really called an insurgency in any sense of the word anymore, It's mainly between two conventional militaries and various paramilitary allies (the Iraqi Government and ISIL; the latter of which functions at this point at a state-like structure with a conventional military force using conventional tactics) and the article name should reflect that. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC) 97.96.33.181 (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)La Gazelle trainLa Gazelle – The name of the service is La Gazelle, so the suffix train is not required at all. If a suffix is required, it should be La Gazelle (train) to show it is not a part of the name of the service. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:54, 26 May 2015 (UTC) 85.23.92.126 (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Isle of MullMull – Per the above discussion and Mull (disambiguation), it is now clear that the island is, indeed, the primary topic for "Mull". Therefore, "Isle of" is unnecessary and the article should be under the plain name of the island, as in the case of Lewis. This will make the step of the additional redirect obsolete. It is true that there are specific situations when a term redirects to its primary meaning under a different title, which are described in WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT; but as far as I can discern, this situation is not comparable to any of those. Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

May 25, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Paraguayan WarWar of the Triple Alliance (South America) – Google Books: [6] 196,000 results for War of the Triple Alliance, [7] 35,000 results for Paraguayan War. As has been pointed out previously, in the English language, this conflict is predominantly known as the War of the Triple Alliance. As one commentator in the last time said, "Jeez is titles so important?", well yes actually, since an analysis I did of traffic a couple of years ago showed this article is usually hit from the redirect 3 times more often than directly. In my experience, the only place it is predominantly known as the Paraguayan War is in Brazillian textbooks. This should be a simple straightforward and uncontroversial technical move and it is illogical that it remains under what is a fringe term in the English language. WP:COMMON NAME is clear as to what the choice should be. Previously it was suggested this could be confused with other mentions of a Triple Alliance, hence I have added a moniker to denote South American history. The suggestion that Paraguayan War is less ambiguous is somewhat of a red herring, since there have been a number of conflicts involving Paraguay. WCMemail 22:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)BloggerBlogger (disambiguation) – I have been fixing incoming links to blogger for a while, and they virtually always intend the person who blogs. I would move this page so that "Blogger" can redirect to Blog, as "Bloggers" and "Blogging" already do. bd2412 T 22:03, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Fayetteville–Springdale–Rogers metropolitan areaNorthwest Arkansas – This is an attempt to move the page from its almost-never-used official Census name to its widely recognized name, officially adopted by the region itself. This is evident in a variety of ways, perhaps most notably by the Northwest Arkansas Council, the nonprofit organization tasked with promoting the region, the Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport (XNA) which serves the entire region, the Northwest Arkansas Naturals, the local minor league baseball team, the Northwest Arkansas Tourism Association, the Northwest Arkansas Regional Planning Commission (regional MPO), etc etc. This name is how the region identifies itself. The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, the state's #1 newspaper, is based in Little Rock. Searching for "Northwest Arkansas" brings up 27k results, where searching for "Fayetteville metro" brings 1k results, with "Fayetteville Metro Area" bringing 5 results. The two main population centers in Arkansas are Central Arkansas and Northwest Arkansas. No one living in Springdale, Bentonville or Rogers says they live in "the Fayetteville metro" and they sure don't say they live in the "Fayetteville–Springdale–Rogers metropolitan area". What they all say is they live in "Northwest Arkansas". In the state and surrounding states, "Northwest Arkansas" has a distinct meaning, which is mostly understood as Benton and Washington counties. No one from these parts interprets it as "the northwestern 1/4 of the state", including the State of Arkansas itself. For example, Clarksville and Russellville do not refer to themselves as being "northwest Arkansas" although a strict geographical description may put them there. The current naming conventions are cumbersome, to say the least, as well as largely being official for the sake of being official. A similar discussion recently was closed in favor of the move at Talk:Central Arkansas#Requested move 13 January 2015. Thanks, and I appreciate all of y'all's consideration. Brandonrush (talk) 17:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)David SilvermanDavid Silverman (animator) – No primary topic or even a clear front runner. The page views of the animator and the atheist activist are very close (9504 v. 8814) and I expect the activist would come out on top once the misdirected hits are taken care of. I also suspect there are a few other David Silvermans, including the author mentioned above, that would be notable enough to have articles. I checked the New York Times and there are about twice as many articles about the activist as the Simpsons animator. I will replace this page with a disambiguation page after the move. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Islam and antisemitismIslam and Judeophobia – The term antisemitism has its origins in German eugenics (a thoroughly out-of-favor science), and is grammatically inaccurate because Judaism is a religion. Also, semite (שם) has an older history and is clearly established as more inclusive. Also, religious arguments inside Judaism for classification as a race should be acknowledged as romantic. Scientus (talk) 16:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Brodie Smith (Ultimate Frisbee)Brodie Smith (flying disc player) – Numerous reasons: 1) "Frisbee" is a trademark of one manufacturer (see Talk:Guts (game)#Wham-O for an alleged representative of the trademark owner objecting to its usage in this way). 2) The name of the sport is simply "ultimate", or when it needs disambiguation "ultimate disc" or in long form "ultimate flying disc". 3) We do not capitalize the names of sports. 4) The subject is not an "Ultimate Frisbee" or a brand name of one, but a player of a sport. 5) He's actually notable for two distinct flying disc disciplines, trick competition and ultimate, so even something like "Brodie Smith (ultimate player)" is overly specific, even misleading. 5) Use of "ultimate" in the disambiguation at all is confusing to anyone not already steeped in flying disc sports, since it's an odd use of the word to most readers, who will interpret it as a laudatory adjective referring to the bio subject; a disambiguation that introduces another ambiguity is a failure. Ergo, "(flying disc player)" seems the most obvious solution.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  14:31, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)JägermeisterJägermeister (drink) – "Jägermeister" is foremost a historic title and position of significance in German game and forest management; Jägermeister the liqueur is named after it. Presently the the Jägermeister page is an overly commercial paen to the liqueur. A page should be created for the latter (by moving the existing), and the original subject (archived in stub form here) expanded in its own context Wikiuser100 (talk) 14:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

May 24, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)FriezaFreeza – More a technical move, but given the previous discussion on this topic, this is potentially controversial. In Wikipeida's coverage of DBZ characters it uses the English rominziation of names that came form the original manga, as translated by Viz Media. In this cases, the character's name is Freeza. Frieza is the English rominization used by Funimation, which dubbed the anime adaptation. Having the article name (Frieza) in one location while using the another (Freeza) throughout the article will just confuse the reader. Per WP:LEAST, the article's name should reflect the name used in the article. Given that there is already a preference to the rominzation of names used in the original media, that name should be Freeza. —Farix (t | c) 20:58, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

May 23, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)WhitsundayWhitsunday (disambiguation) – Globaly, the primary usage of "Whitsunday" is to refer to Pentecost Sunday. It is WP:PRIMARYUSAGE of Whitsunday. Whitsunday is used by both Anglican Churches and English speakers in every country of the world. Whitsunday leads to Whit Monday, a widespread holiday across Europe. Outside of Australia, when people refer to Whitsunday they are primarily referring to the Christian holy day, one of four Embertides. All the other uses listed here derive from that original usage. Why is Whitsunday, Queensland called Whitsunday? Because of the Christian holy day. Much like Easter Island, Christmas Island, and Michaelmas Island were named after their respective Embertides. Therefore this page's information should be moved to Whitsunday (disambiguation) and then this page should be redirected to Whitsun. (Perhaps we should discuss renaming "Whitsun" to "Whitsunday" or merging Whitsun into Pentacost but that is a separate discussion. First let's resolve the WP:PRIMARYUSAGE question before tackling WP:CommonName and WP:Merging discussions.) Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 13:03, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

May 22, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)RAM MagazineRock Australia Magazine – The full name of the acronym, RAM, along the lines of Automated teller machine for ATM. The move avoids the awkward RAM Magazine, which unnecessarily duplicates the word, "magazine", similar to people who write/say ATM machine. shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Schtick (disc game)Schtick – Redirects here already, and appears to be the primary topic. The word meaning "a characteristic trait, theme, or gimmick" is usually spelled "shtick", and is too nebulous for us to have an article about anyway (WP:NOT#DICT).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  15:42, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Moscone–Milk assassinationsMoscone–Milk killings – Incorrect use of the word assassination (which means politically motivated). These killings were done by one man acting on his own - as revenge for a perceived wrong. AFAIK, there is no evidence that there was political motivation. If there is, it needs to be provided to warrant the current naming. Rebroad (talk) 06:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

May 21, 2015[edit]

  • (Discuss)Politics of Rhode IslandElections in Rhode Island – This will follow current structure of most state articles which have "Elections/Campaigning, etc." under "Elections in..." A "Politics in Rhode Island" article is desirable when such material is assembled. But "politics," contained in this article is merely elections, campaigning, results of campaigning, history of voting, voting, composition of the legislature, etc. None of this is actually "politics," per se. Student7 (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hard ScrabbleHard Scrabble and Snow Town – The proposed title better fits the scope of the article. A split would also be a possibility, but the topics seem similar and related enough, and the article is short enough that a split doesn't seem like the best option. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC) --BDD (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Michael J. Jackson (actor)Michael J. JacksonMichael J. Jackson currently redirects to the singer, Michael Jackson (whose middle name was "Joseph"); however, the overwhelming common name of the singer is "Michael Jackson", and he was rarely ever known as "Michael J. Jackson" (this variation appears only in some legal documents). The actor is known fairly exclusively as "Michael J. Jackson", and I propose that the actor is the primary topic for this variation, and does not need a disambiguator at all. The rare person who looks for the singer at a title including the "J." can be directed there by a modification to the hatnote. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC) bd2412 T 15:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Serpent (Bible)Serpents in the Bible – As noted in a previous section, this article discusses serpents throughout the Bible. Some of them could certainly be interpreted as the same character, but surely not all of them. The proposed title better reflects the scope of the article, and uses WP:NATURAL disambiguation. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC) --BDD (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)RER → ? – RER is an abbreviation used by many things from video games to existing and proposed commuter rail services similar to this one. It is bad practice to give priority to this and not to the other pages listed in the RER (disambiguation) page. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC) SegataSanshiro1 (talk) 10:57, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)BBCNBBCN Bancorp Inc. – Not to be confused with BBC News or "BBCNI" (a redirect to BBC Northern Ireland). Also, per WP:NATURAL: "If it exists, choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title." According to Bing News or Google News, many news articles use the proposed name. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 05:51, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Xu Liang (ROC)Xu Liang – The politician as a historical person who was born in the Qing dynasty, educated in Japan and the USA, became an official under the nationalist government and then defected to the Japan-friendly government, arrested and sentenced to death by the nationalist government and eventually executed by the communist government, has more long-term significance than the footballer. Even if it's not considered a primary topic, it should be moved to Xu Liang (politician), because first of all ROC as a disambiguator is quite ambiguous, and secondly this man's career is more notable for working for the Japan-friendly government for 5 years when ROC was warring with Japan. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 18:40, 21 May 2015 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 00:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hamlet (legend)Amleth – Per WP:NATURAL and WP:CONCISE. Though "Hamlet' is more familiar to modern readers than "Amleth", the latter is used more often in the article, including the opening sentence. Because essentially, we're talking about a legendary figure named Amleth who is known in later stories as Hamlet. As long as we have the old title as a redirect, I think this move makes sense. --BDD (talk) 14:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Phylicia RashādPhylicia Rashad – Per WP:COMMONNAME. The only rationale given for the current spelling is the opening credits of seasons 3 and 4 of The Cosby Show, ignoring the four subsequent seasons where the diacritical mark does not appear. You would be hard-pressed to find this mark anywhere else on the Internet or in print, not even on autographs signed by the subject herself.relisted--Mike Cline (talk) 12:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC) Krychek (talk) 16:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sama languageSinama – For reasons given higher up this page. I have (as yet) no opinion either way, but there's been a lot of to-ing and fro-ing here and this should be discussed. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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  • (Discuss)Athletics (British)Sport of athletics – Following the lack of consensus above on the broader issue of the multiple meanings and pages for the concepts named athletics, I propose a narrower interim solution to move this article to sport of athletics, which appeared to get multiple supports and no criticism in the above conversation. My main arguments for would be (a) it's an improvement on Athletics (British) (which garnered only opposition above), (b) it is plain-terms descriptive of the subject and avoids handles which may limit the actual interpretation of the phrase, (c) it leaves open the option to build a broad-based article at athletics (covering all possible interpretations of that word), and finally (d) it is a phrasing that entirely disambiguates from the athletics (physical culture) idea (which the former athletics (sport) did not). SFB 16:29, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)TowerDataRapLeaf – Per the above, it appears that the earlier move was incorrect and that these are in fact two separate companies, one that bought the other. Wikidemon (talk) 15:45, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Dark Circle ComicsRed Circle Comics – The Red Circle name has become the common name for MLJ/Archies' superhero line. As the article encompasses MLJ's superhero period, Archie Adventure Series, Mighty Comics, Red Circle Comics, Spectrum Comics, DC's Impact imprint & Red Circle line, Red Circle digital imprint and Dark Circle. Dark Circle hasn't supplanted Red Circle as the primary use for Archie's superheroes. I submit that the article should be returned to Red Circle Comics. Spshu (talk) 13:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hemi engineHemispherical combustion chamber – This is what the article is about. "Hemispherical combustion chamber" would be a more accurate and more general title, while remaining perfectly understandable. Hemi is a Chrysler trademark and closely associated with Chrysler engines; hemispherical combustion chamber engines were used a wealth of different manufacturers. Cloverleaf II (talk) 11:58, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Dominican people (Dominican Republic)Dominicans (Dominican Republic) – The demonym describing a person or thing from the Dominican Republic is Dominican and the plural form is used to describe its natives (nothing meant by word choice, its just less nationalistic than nationals. Note: following other moves I should have put this through manually but had originally thought to RM move to * * * * * * – And many similar articles ..." Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC) GregKaye 19:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)G.D.F.R. (song)G.D.F.R. – I don't think anyone is going to search for the format (which didn't even have an article until March) with full stops. And we could also just redirect GDFR here and put a hatnote at the top. Unreal7 (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Nation of DominationNation of Domination – This is something of a test case. I thought it would be straightforward and uncontroversial, until I noticed that many members of Category:WWE teams and stables have titles including "The". I haven't reviewed other articles, but certainly this topic doesn't seem to meet any of the criteria at WP:THE. Also, "The" is omitted in the infobox, and the group is referred to by the abbreviation NOD, not TNOD. Am I overlooking something? --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 22:48, 16 May 2015 (UTC) --BDD (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mary Parker (disambiguation)Mary Parker – There is a natural disambiguation for the article currently at Mary Parker by including her maiden/middle (not sure which it is) name. Even with no natural disambiguation, I don't see any evidence that this particular Mary Parker is more searched for, or more notable than the others listed at the dab page. Mary Parker should be the title for the dab page and allow the reader to choose the appropriate article. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2015 (UTC) -War wizard90 (talk) 03:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Striker (disambiguation)Striker – Apparently this has gone back and forth over the past few days, with an editor and some IPs trying to redirect Striker to the disambiguation page, but in reviewing the topic, I can't see how the sports position is the primary topic for this term. bd2412 T 15:49, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)HeretaungaHeretaunga, Wellington – Heretaunga refers to two geographic features in New Zealand, and this one isn't the primary topic. In fact, Place Names of New Zealand states that the Upper Hutt name was probably borrowed from the Hawke's Bay (which could be used as an argument that the primary use lies there, but I'm not advancing that argument; however, it does support my view that the Upper Hutt suburb isn't the primary topic). Since first making the move request, I have changed the proposal from 'Heretaunga, New Zealand' to 'Heretaunga, Wellington' in compliance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (New Zealand), as we are trying to achieve disambiguation with an area in the Hawke's Bay. As such, the official region name needs to be used. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 03:35, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Schwede66 21:02, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wikipedia:Requests for history mergeWikipedia:Requested history merges – Sorry for bringing up another RM within less than a month of the earlier one being closed. But I feel that the existing page name is a bit too botched. The word "for" is unnecessary. Also, "history merges" rather than "history merge" sounds much better to the ears. This name was proposed by Anne Delong in the above RM discussion as well as by AmiDaniel in an older discussion. It is easy to see from the above RM that a consensus existed for a change of name, but nobody seems to have paid much attention to the exact name proposed by EdJohnston. The new name is a parallel to Wikipedia:Requested moves, which is more closely connected to this page than the ones using Requests for xxxx naming scheme, as well to a number of other pages like Wikipedia:Requested templates and Wikipedia:Requested articles. Also, almost all of the pages using that naming scheme would sound odd if changed Requested xxxx format, but this page is a clear exception. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:35, 13 May 2015 (UTC) 103.6.156.167 (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)ECW Arena2300 Arena – Common names only apply to defunct venues. Candlestick Park is titled as such since it's defunct - if it was still in operation, the current venue name would be the name of the article (3Com Park if it was 2002, for instance). 2300 Arena is still an active and popular venue - calling it ECW Arena at this point creates confusion for those wishing to visit the venue. They are one and the same. --Relisted. Steel1943 (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2015 (UTC) TheNewMinistry (talk) 04:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)German dialectsVarieties of German – The German "dialects" are a very diverse group, with Low German not more closely related to High German than to other West Germanic branches. In terms of abstand, these are several groups of languages. Like the varieties of Chinese and varieties of Arabic, these are often imprecisely called "dialects", but that does not mean we should follow suit. Instead, this article's title should use the same structure as those articles. JorisvS (talk) 09:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anaconda (film series)Anaconda (franchise) – "Film series" is a messy and unnecessary title, and "franchise" is a much better, simpler and more appropriate wording. The definition of "franchise" (film/media) is "an entire series of the film (multiple movies): the original and all its subsequent sequels thereafter (ie, James Bond/007 films, Star Wars movies, Rocky series, etc.) or a collection of different media" as can be easily looked up on Google. And a franchise is a franchise no matter how big or small. TurokSwe (talk) 09:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Bai Fan (actor)Bai Fan – "Bai Fan" currently directs to Kim Koo, for no good reason. Kim Koo is a Korean and his pen name should be romanized as "Baekbeom", "Baek Beom", "Paekpŏm" etc., not "Bai Fan" using the Chinese pinyin system. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 04:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC) Timmyshin (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wikipedia:WikiProject New York TheatreWP:WikiProject New York City/Theatre – This project is about theatre in New York City, per the description of the project linking to NYC and not NYS. As it is an inactive project concerning NYC, and WP:NYC is an active project concerning NYC, this project should be subsumed as a task force of the active project. This would do the same thing as how many other inactive projects have been converted to taskforces of active projects of the same geographic scope or greater topical scope --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 04:17, 11 May 2015 (UTC) 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Abu Talib ibn Abdul-MuttalibAbu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib – Per WP:MOSAR, the strict transliteration is "Abū Ṭālib ibn ‘Abd al-Muṭṭalib", so the standard transliteration is "Abu Talib ibn `Abd al-Muttalib." Since diacritics are generally avoided in article names, the best choice would be "Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib". The current title, "Abu Talib ibn Abdul-Muttalib," is actually grammatically incorrect, since "Abdu l-Muttalib" is in the nominative case when here it should be in the genitive case, "Abdi l-Muttalib" (It's the same reason we say "Ali ibn Abi Talib," not "Ali ibn Abu Talib"). But in the standard transliteration, case endings are not preserved and the definite article is just translated as "al-". Therefore: "Abu Talib ibn Abd al-Muttalib." --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 04:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC) Axiom292 (talk) 03:19, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Al-Aaimmah bridgeAa'mah bridge – or Imam's Bridge. There are a variety of transliterations that can be used as presented by Cam above. google maps presents Aa'mah bridge. The translation of the Arabic is Imam's bridge but I haven't seen a source use the translation. At present the article begins "The Al-Aaimmah bridge'..." which, in the context that we have guidelines on WP:THE, basically reads "The the xxxx bridge...". --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC) GregKaye 20:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Suggested retail priceList price – Previously I proposed a different move of this page to 'recommended retail price'; this was rejected by the citation of WP:RETAIN. This proposal is based on the argument of WP:ENGVAR: WP:COMMONALITY which states that "words that are common to all varieties of English" should be favoured over regional terms. Suggested retail price is only used in the United States, while a variety of other terms are used across other English speaking countries. List price however is a term used generically across all English speaking countries. A move to 'list price' therefore would be a neutral term, which is used in all varieties of English including the United States and the United Kingdom. List price is also significantly the WP:COMMONNAME, as demonstrated by this ngram, and also satisfies WP:CONCISE. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 09:51, 8 May 2015 (UTC) Ebonelm (talk) 21:38, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Nevus sebaceousNevus sebaceus – The article is currently misnamed with a combination of the Latin and English names; it should either be "Nevus sebaceus" or "Sebaceous nevus". The current title is incorrect in both languages. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 19:13, 7 May 2015 (UTC) Pinnerup (talk) 16:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Optimus UILG UX – LG no longer uses the Optimus branding in either their product or software naming conventions. And in recent press statements regarding the newly released LG G4, the company uses the LG UX name for their current and past user interfaces. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 19:13, 7 May 2015 (UTC) Janus657 (talk) 16:20, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Koreana (disambiguation)Koreana – It appears that the original baseline was what is baseline on Koreana wikipedia, namely the very well known Korean-language band of the 70s and 80s which did the official Seoul Olympics song. The band was deleted (how is not clear, there doesn't appear to have been an AfD) and a Philippines TV series moved over the baseline slot. Have reverted the move of the Philippines TV series, but instead of the band suggest the dab page should move to the baseline in this case. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 19:12, 7 May 2015 (UTC) In ictu oculi (talk) 05:51, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Insurgency in the Maghreb (2002–present)List of Conflicts and Terrorist Incidents in the Sahara and Sahel – the current article is nothing more than a hodgepodge list of terrorist incidents largely around Algeria, Mali and the Sahel - with the dubious implicit assertion of some wider connection. The Name "in the Maghreb" is now entirely fallacious as the list cum article covers the Sahel (not part of the Maghreb) as in fact reflected in the map. There is no proper substantiation of the analytical framework (i.e. that this laundry list of unconnected incidents is seen by any proper analytical source as an insurgency or insurgencies "in the Magheb" or any reason to connect incidents in Chad with isolated incidents in Morocco or Tunisia.... It has remained problematic now for over 5 years. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 19:11, 7 May 2015 (UTC) collounsbury (talk) 08:41, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)State of Florida v. George ZimmermanState v. Zimmerman – The short names of all court cases in the United States consist only of the parties' last names, never their full names. Since it is not a federal case, the prosecution is referred to as 'State', not 'Florida'. This is also the consensus with regard to naming American case articles throughout Wikipedia without exception. All previous discussions resulted in "no consensus" lacking quorum. The style guideline Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Legal#Article_titles is clear (and is the result of consensus), we follow Bluebook format. And the Bluebook formatted name is 'State v. Zimmerman'. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2015 (UTC) Padenton|   05:42, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)MaotaiMoutaiWP:UE, WP:UCN; the English language name of this product is "Moutai", it is what is written on the label in English, [28] the company is called Moutai in the USA -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 07:03, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)KOI-1686.01KOI-1686 – Information about nonexistent planet is not particularly notable per se. But we can feature it in the corresponding star system article instead. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 05:32, 6 May 2015 (UTC) --4th-otaku (talk) 14:17, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Romanian subdialectsRomanian dialects – A subdialect is a division of a dialect, which is a variety of a language irrespective of the differences between dialects. All subdialects are dialects, but not the other way around. "Romanian subdialects" implies that Romanian is a dialect of some larger language, not that the differences between the dialects are relatively minor. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 05:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC) JorisvS (talk) 09:31, 28 April 2015 (UTC) --JorisvS (talk) 09:31, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pac (wrestler) → ? – Was named Pac on the independent scene and not too well known in the mainstream, went to NXT and became Adrian Neville and became more famous. He now has the ringname Neville in the WWE, the biggest wrestling company in the world by far. This is his current and most notable name. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 02:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC) 78.148.234.205 (talk) 21:22, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Islamic economic jurisprudenceIslamic economics – The name of the article was changed from Islamic economics to Islamic economic jurisprudence back in 2007 here. But most of the content in the article is on the ideology of "Islamic Economics" with virtually nothing on "jurisprudence", i.e. fatwas (fatawa) by Islamic scholars (fuqaha). This is not surprising and not likely to change. I consulted with another editor (MezzoMezzo) on this issue and here is what he said: "we don't have the reliable sources or written text ready for an actual article on jurisprudence. Like you said, most authors are not fuqaha in the classical sense and aside from a few schools in Pakistan and Malaysia, much of the proper juristic work isn't in English. That would be a separate (and huge) undertaking." A search for "Islamic economic jurisprudence" in Google Scholar gets 53 hits. In contrast, a search of "Islamic economics" gets 12000 hits! --Relisted. George Ho away from home (talk) 20:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC) BoogaLouie (talk) 20:28, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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