Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions

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This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 34 (Discuss)ions have been relisted.

December 11, 2017[edit]

  • (Discuss)Lewinsky scandalClinton–Lewinsky scandal – "Clinton–Lewinsky scandal" is a more descriptive and accurate (yet still concise) title. As mentioned by others, "as time passes, the less notable person involved will become more and more obscure to new readers." "For people not from that era or not from the US, Lewinsky doesn't mean much. The scandal didn't just involve her; it was Clinton that makes it all noteworthy." Also, if moved, the dash should be this one: "–", per WP's guidelines. Paintspot Infez (talk) 14:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Computer securityCybersecurity – "Cybersecurity" or "cyber security" is a much more commonly used name to refer to this field, compared to "computer security". Perhaps 10 years ago, this wasn't the case, but it's different now. I did a quick survey of the article's references, and the results were: 3 sources (1, 4, 21) used the term "computer security", 18 sources (6, 94, 104, 143, 149, 150, 151, 153, 155, 156, 157, 158, 163, 165, 170, 171, 193, 199) used the term "cyber security", and 16 sources (29, 36, 44, 71, 84, 85, 93, 172, 181, 182, 183, 184, 190, 191, 192, 194, 198) used the term "cybersecurity". 3 more sources also used "cybersecurity" (under "Further reading" section), while 2 more sources also used "computer security" (under "External links" section). This gives a total of 5 sources using "computer security", 18 sources using "cyber security", and 19 sources using "cybersecurity". Additionally, several government agencies use the term "cyber security" instead of "computer security", such as the Cyber Security Agency of Singapore, the National Cyber Security Centre of the United Kingdom, the Australian Cyber Security Centre, the National Cyber Security Centre of Ireland, and the National Cybersecurity Center of Excellence of the United States. Furthermore, a quick search reveals that countless different companies and organisations such as BAE Systems, Oxford University, Coursera, Horangi, Ernst & Young, the Institute of Systems Science, the United States Department of Homeland Security, the University of Maryland University College, and Raytheon, all use the term "cybersecurity" or "cyber security". However, very few use "computer security" instead. Therefore, I believe it is reasonable to suggest that either "cybersecurity" or "cyber security" would be a much better article title than "computer security", given their much more widespread usage as compared to the latter. Note: Even if WP:SNOW consensus is reached on moving the page, please don't move this page until consensus is also reached on whether "cybersecurity" or "cyber security" should be used as the new article title. Weslam123 (talk • contrib) 14:20, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

December 10, 2017[edit]

  • (Discuss)Yoandry LealYoandy Leal – Yoandy Leal (without the 'r' before 'y') is Leal's correct name. The results in Google, including his official profiles on social media (instagram and facebook) and on the FIVB website credits it as Yoandy Leal as well. Even in the aforementioned article the subject is refered as Yoandy with sources who back the lack of an 'r' in his name. Arielslytherin (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anonymouse (collective)Anonymouse – The existing title Anonymouse has been a redirect to Open proxy since 2009. It is ostensibly about, however that isn't mentioned anywhere in the article it redirects to so I doubt that keeping it as a redirect and disambiguating the article about the art collective is the best solution. I think this topic here should be moved to Anonymouse and the redirect's history can be moved to (and then listed at RfD maybe, since not mentioned at the target?); perhaps a hatnote can be added here paraphrasing "this ia about the Swedish art collective, not about the open proxy service" (although I'm not sure if even that is justified...) Ben · Salvidrim!  08:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)--Relisting.usernamekiran(talk) 13:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

December 9, 2017[edit]

  • (Discuss)Council of State (Finland)Finnish Government – The currently-separate pages "Council of State (Finland)" and "Government of Finland" should be combined under one title, as they cover the same realm of content. There is no proof on that "Council of State" is an official version of the governemnt's name in English, but there are numerous mentions of "Finnish Government" and even "Government of Finland" on the page. Pessimistipasta (talk) 19:31, 2 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 20:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC) bd2412 T 20:21, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)1 BC1 BCE – I propose that all the years, decades, centuries, and millennia should use the BCE/CE system instead of the BC/AD system. I don't want to do a move request for every single date because it is time consuming. The reson why I think the BCE/CE system should be used on Wikipedia is because the BC/AD system hold religious implications and more people use the non-religious BCE/CE system. This article supports my claim on why I think this change should occur. 2601:183:101:58D0:F48C:6B05:C8BB:CDA7 (talk) 18:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Madonna (Madonna album)Madonna (album) – The repeated "Madonna" in the disambiguation of this title is clearly redundant, serves no purpose, is totally unnecessary and is, frankly, stupid looking. WP:PDAB was rejected as a guideline; it's an essay, and rightfully so. Yes, I'm aware of the previous discussion and outcome, as well as dearth of policy-based arguments favoring the current embarrassing title in that discussion. The blind-following of short-sighted rules and conventions that obviously should not apply in this case and miss the big picture is no excuse. That discussion was over a year ago, and even it established that this topic is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Madonna (album) (it is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article). This time, let's not ignore WP:COMMONSENSE ("Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule") and fix this abomination, once and for all. Shall we? В²C 18:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 01:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

December 8, 2017[edit]

  • (Discuss)Template:DmozTemplate:Curlie – is, in fact, the successor to DMOZ with access to non-public information from DMOZ and the same editor community. The template has been repurposed to point to curlie. The only objections I can see are (1) there is no reliable proof that is the actual successor to DMOZ, and (2) {{}} may be a better location than {{Curlie}}. The latter is the primary reason I didn't do the move, myself. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sarah TownsendSarah McGuinness – Sarah McGuinness is the stage name of Sarah Townsend and the professional name she now uses. It's prudent for artists to have a Wikipedia page under their stage name, as they are most likely to be found using this name. For example, Yusuf Islam has his own page under his stage name Cat Stevens. I realise Sarah, as Sarah Townsend, has a history of her own and this would need to be reflected in the moved/merged page. Beetree (talk) 16:59, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ajahn Maha BuaLuangta Maha Bua – The subject is overwhelmingly referred to with the honorific "Luangta" (or "Luang Ta"), both by the public and generic sources. Paul_012 (talk) 04:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 05:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 15:54, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Richard B. SpencerRichard Spencer (white supremacist) – Per WP:INITS and previous discussion, Richard B. Spencer is unnacceptable according to established Wikipedia policy, as the subject is rarely referred to with a middle initial. A parenthetical is the next obvious choice, and "white supremacist" is entire reason the subject has a Wikipedia article in the first place, it is how he is described in the first sentence of the article, on the Richard Spencer disambiguation page, it is well sourced, and was the topic of an exhaustive RfC in which overwhelming consensus agreed that the primary descriptor should be "white supremacist." Rockypedia (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sir Robert FenwickRobert Fenwick (New Zealand environmentalist) – Despite among the entries in Robert Fenwick (disambiguation), the New Zealander was the only one called Robert Fenwick as common name, however, the incoming link of the disambiguation page shown there was a MP of the United Kingdom in the 1650s, was also called Robert Fenwick, while also likely a noble the have the prefix Sir, the New Zealander may need a new disambiguater, or drop it entirely and just required to clean up the incoming link of the disambiguation page Matthew_hk tc 10:24, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Génération.s, le mouvementGénérations Mouvement – Per WP:COMMONNAME, MOS:TM, and their own website (WP:ABOUTSELF); it will also satisfy WP:RECOGNIZABLE and WP:PRECISE, while also keeping with the spirit of WP:CONCISE (adding extraneous characters to be cute does not). It's basically immaterial that various and rather random "we're not sure what to do" symbol-laden renderings have appeared (apparently in response to marketing the party no longer even uses), including "Génération·s Mouvement", "Génération•s Mouvement", and "Génération(s) Mouvement" (with "le" versions being rare) is immaterial. We do not apply unusual stylization unless it is consistently used in the majority of reliable, independent sources (with preference given to English-language ones). And this version with "." is virtually unattested. I moved this stuff around yesterday in an attempt to get all the mangled names (there were some earlier move errors) and their redirects pointing to a single, non-confusing place. After this new unduscussed move, I'm not sure what the status of things is. Anyway, this is basically the same case as Macy's versus "macys", except Macy's actually asserts that stylization as their official logo, and Générations Mouvement seems to do no such thing with any of these strange renderings.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  08:26, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SpiresSpires (disambiguation) – The clear primary topic of "spires" is spire. Other topics on the disambiguation page are comparatively obscure. SPIRES is distinguished by being an all-caps acronym; Speyer is a different spelling; The Spires (besides having a leading "The") merely redirects to Church House (Presbyterian Church in Ireland). There are, of course, topics missing from the page, namely a handful of buildings, and some people with the surname Spires, but those are equally obscure. Move this page to redirect "spires" to spire. bd2412 T 04:13, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)NRE N-ViroMotive SeriesNRE 3GS21B – This article was originally about the NRE 3GS21B locomotive model. In March 2017, @Bacon BMW: tried to make this into what I believe is a listicle on all of the models in this series, and apparently copied the contents of NRE 2GS14B into the page without attribution. Later, @Loco2018: added content which can easily be seen as improper advertising. A few minutes ago, I boldly reverted all edits to this article (except for one, which was a valid category swap) back to Onward2's version, which I saw as the last "good" version about this specific model. However, I could not move the page back because it was moved twice and the original title has had a double-redirect fix. The move would not normally be controversial, but the refocus back to the model may be. -happy5214 03:44, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pullman StrikePullman strike – It's been three years, and all the other articles discussed in the batch above have since had their over-capitalization fixed by consensus. The evidence is not changed, and the 6–4 in favor of following MOS:CAPS is probably about where we are, but maybe we can get a consensus to fix it this time. Dicklyon (talk) 02:56, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

December 7, 2017[edit]

  • (Discuss)The Burmese HarpThe Burmese Harp (novel) – The novel stub is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in the English-speaking world. In the event of insistence upon a primary topic, it would have to be the 1956 film version which had been acclaimed as one of the great antiwar films and received a Best Foreign-Language Film nomination at that year's Academy Awards. The base title should be at The Burmese Harp disambiguation page. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 22:52, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The AvalonAvalon Ballroom – This is the name used by most (all?) of the cited sources. Apparently this page was moved back in 2013 to the current name after a discussion, but I can't figure out from that discussion why it's not called Avalon Ballroom. Kendall-K1 (talk) 20:05, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Samantha ChapmanPixiwoo – Samantha Chapman has limited name recognition outside of the context of Pixiwoo, the branding used by her and her sister Nicola Haste Chapman for their YouTube channel. See this article and this article for examples of how the media refers to the duo. The name Pixiwoo is also incorporated into their branding for their makeup brush brand, Real Techniques. See their website, as well as the links above. Therefore, I propose renaming this page 'Pixiwoo' and rewriting it to incorporate information about both sisters. Lenoresm (talk) 15:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)--Relisting.usernamekiran(talk) 18:28, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Seto Car-waiCarwai SetoCarwai Seto is the spelling & order used in all English sources cited in the article besides Sports Reference, the only name that gets any hits in Google News or Google Books, and the name that appears on her current employer's homepage and on her social media pages. (talk) 13:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Showtime!Showtime (The J. Geils Band album) – decorative "!". WP:COMMONNAME; this article has no sources, but a GBooks search shows COMMONNAME in Billboard and Musician mentioning the album without the "!" as straight "Showtime" no exclamation, Musician 1987 "J. Geils Band ... when Showtime, a live set that was Wolfs pet project, stiffed commercially right after the band had hit the top with Freeze Frame.. Therefore ! isn't likely to recognizable as = (The J. Geils Band album) when the result Showtime! pops up in autocomplete searches. NB we have 11 other Showtime (album) articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:14, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kobanî CantonEuphrates Region – The cantons have been organized into regions. No longer referred to Kobanî Canton in DFNS media. Keeping name here creates confusion as the subordinate provinces are also sometimes referred to as cantons. AntonSamuel (talk) 11:31, 28 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 04:23, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jazira CantonJazira Region – The cantons have been organized into regions. No longer referred to Jazira Canton in DFNS media. Keeping name here creates confusion as the subordinate provinces are also sometimes referred to as cantons. AntonSamuel (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 04:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Cantons of RojavaRegions of Rojava – The cantons have been organized into regions. No longer referred to as cantons in DFNS media. Keeping name here creates confusion as the subordinate provinces are also sometimes referred to as cantons. AntonSamuel (talk) 11:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 04:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Afrin CantonAfrin Region – The cantons have been organized into regions. No longer referred to Afrin Canton in DFNS media. Keeping name here creates confusion as the subordinate provinces are also sometimes referred to as cantons. AntonSamuel (talk) 11:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 04:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

December 6, 2017[edit]

  • (Discuss)Milano (disambiguation)Milano – Upon reviewing the page views of Milano vs. Milano (disambiguation), I fail to see how it can be assumed without a doubt that most readers who look up the term "Milano" are intending to locate the city of Milan. In addition, the top results for Google books for "Milano" contain next to no results for the city of Milan. For English readers, readers are probably trying to locate pages like Alyssa Milano or Milano (cookie), for example. It would probably be best to move the disambiguation page to the ambiguous title so that readers can figure out which page they are trying to locate. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)The Disaster Artist (film)The Disaster Artist – The name of the book is The Disaster Artist: My Life Inside The Room, the Greatest Bad Movie Ever Made; however, the article is simply named The Disaster Artist. Since "The Disaster Artist" is only an unofficial shortened version of the actual name, but is the actual official name of the movie, it seems logical to rename the article about the book The Disaster Artist: My Life Inside The Room, the Greatest Bad Movie Ever Made, and to rename the article for the movie simply The Disaster Artist, while adding a {for} at the top of the article to say For the book the film is based on, see The Disaster Artist: My Life Inside The Room, the Greatest Bad Movie Ever Made. Hyliad (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

December 5, 2017[edit]

  • (Discuss)Moctezuma IIMontezuma II – This is the name that is more commonly used in English for this man, so WP:COMMONNAME dictates that it be moved there. Indeed, the only reason the title is at its current location is due to the Spanish version of his native name. Spanish Wikipedia can use Spanish, we use English, and poor old Montezuma (of course) spoke neither. I give you no other motive for the move besides WP:USEENGLISH, WP:RECOGNIZABLE, WP:COMMONNAME, and of course an ngram to prove what I said here. [17] Red Slash 13:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Mahveotm (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)KéwelHarnessed bushbuck – According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section (alternative names), English common names should be prioritized over non-English names. This is especially relevant in this case, where the non-English name is rarely used internationally in comparison to the English one. Luke Beall (talk) 06:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 23:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Short-range devicesShort Range Devices – Rename to how it was before November 23. The article was about the standard, and of course consequently devices that adhere to it. Not the other way around, because then it could have been called "low-power transceivers" or something similar, and it would not have started with a link to the standard. There is nothing specific to tell about short-range devices anyway, it completely depends on their purpose (and there are many, as mentioned in the article). The person that moved it didn't understand the concept. Who was that anyway, to do this without dicussing it? The standard starts with the following titling:
      ERC Recommendation  70-03    Relating to the use of Short Range Devices (SRD)  
    So my suggestion is to rename it back to how it was, before November 23, including an S at the end. Robijn (talk) 16:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 23:05, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)FSUFSU (disambiguation) – The page FSU should redirect to the page FSU (disabiguation). There was a discusion that didn't reach a consensus on whether FSU should redirect towards Florida State University which currently averages more page views than any of the other links on the disambiguation combined. I do believe that should be discussed again seiing as the previous discussion is almost 8 years old and dates back to 2010. I believed that a reasonable way to go about it is to move the contents of the page FSU to the proper FSU (disambiguation) page. We should have that as the main disambiguation page with a link to at the top saying the the generally understood abbreviation by the general population is for Florida State University to better help people coming by the disambiguation page seeing as that it the number one link that people are looking for. Then having the other terms that it could mean below.--SeminoleNation (talk) 20:00, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SS Irish Pine (1919)West Hematite – The ship spent most of her career under the name West Hematite, under US flag. She was built in the US, under well-known US shipbuilding program in 1918-1920. The ship was barely a year under Irish flag. The guidelines for ship-naming are quite vague - best known name. Known to who? I've never heard of SS Irish Pine, but definitely know about "West" ships built in the US. The length of service in cases like that should outweigh any torpedo attacks, and the ship should be listed under her original name. Crook1 (talk) 18:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jeffrey C. MateerJeff Mateer – I've learnt my lesson after making some reckless moves and now will mostly stick to requesting moves. I think the subject is more commonly referred to as Jeff Mateer in the news and that this move would better direct users to the article. – JocularJellyfish TalkContribs 01:23, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Banishing RacerVanishing Racer – Goodness, not even a redirect for it... Alright, this should be good. What do you do when you encounter a mistranslation on the part of the internet? The publisher of this game never bothered to write a transliteration in print, so the English-speaking internet came up with Banishing Racer. Either sounds fine, right? with that, and there are likely more out there. Suddenly, "banishing" no longer makes sense; although both are technically guesses due to the complete lack of an official transliteration (to my knowledge), one has actual backing behind it. This is not even COMMONNAME because we're dealing with a complete mistranslation here. COMMONNAME even has "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources.", which seems to cover outright mistranslations pretty well. Aside from all of this, I would like to stress that, again, COMMONNAME doesn't have real suggestions for the names of creative works (especially not when they involve other languages and *especially* not with a lack of localizations) and we're applying adhoc "traditional" rules that are meant to be applied to totally different things. I truly don't understand how people can read COMMONNAME and come out of it with this clear understanding of dealing with foreign creative works. There's perception and consensus, sure, but there's also making things up out of thin air. But yes, this is an aside and not really relevant to the topic at hand, and was really just a comment on my previous move requests, which really need to be reopened and reexamined by people willing to take the topic seriously. Fun fact: there's actually a Japanese release of a more recent German (?) film that was renamed バニシングレーサー with a "Vanishing Racer" transliteration, adding to the two examples above. I don't know what the original name was, but it does not appear to be "Vanishing Racer", at least not in English. Despatche (talk) 01:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

December 4, 2017[edit]

Elapsed listings[edit]

  • (Discuss)Kanayama Station (Nagoya)Kanayama Station (Aichi) – The long-established MOS relating to article names for Japanese station articles recommends that the prefecture name (Aichi in this case) be preferentially used for disambiguation when more than one station exists with the same name. The article was moved without discussion in contravention of the MoS guidelines. DAJF (talk) 10:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Malformed requests[edit]


  1. ^ "Don't use 'university' in institute names, UGC directs deemed-to-be varsities". The Indian Express. 15 November 2017. Retrieved 1 December 2017. 
  2. ^ "KIIT | Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology Bhubaneswar". Retrieved 7 December 2017. 
  3. ^ "KIIT logo". Retrieved 7 December 2017.