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December 9, 2016[edit]

  • (Discuss)Food Future, Inc.FoodFutureCo – Brand refresh occurred in fall 2016 and company name was changed permanently from Food Future Inc to FoodFutureCo as evidenced by all social media and company website. FFC 2017 (talk) 12:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC) ====
  • (Discuss)FvlgvresFulgures (album) – Opening this for discussion, as I'm not entirely convinced "Fulgures" is not WP:OR. Yes, it's a reasonable assumption that this is what the title means due to the Roman V standing in for "u", and I fully admit it is a stylism, but this feels tantamount to spelling profanity out on Wikipedia when a source censors them because "we know what they mean". Most sources I have seen from a simple Google search use "Fvlgvres" (whether in lower or upper case). Wanting to know what other editors think about the rename. Ss112 03:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Tracey WiggintonMurder of Edward Baldock – Article is presently about just one of the four accused. TW was not notable prior to this incident. Present article has large chunks about the others and their fate. More on trial and sentencing needed for all participants. Dmol (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2016 (UTC)--Dmol (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

December 8, 2016[edit]

  • (Discuss)High-energy visible lightBlue light hazard – I propose a rename of this article to Blue Light Hazard or something similar (the name of the main section of this article). I can't find much reliable evidence that high-energy visible light is a widespread and accepted term for blue light (I can find no sources with a precise definition), it is used as a general term in some scientific publications I have come across but rarely as a specific term worthy of its own article (or as the initialism HEV) Two of the three sources in the lead refer to blue light rather than high energy visible light. I would argue the current title is therefore not recognisable, natural or precise Beevil (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sainte-Marguerite RiverSainte-Marguerite River (Saguenay River) – It appears that this article is for the Sainte-Marguerite River in the Mont-Valin territory of the Saguenay–Lac-Saint-Jean region of Quebec that flows into the Saguenay River. However, there seems to be another Sainte-Marguerite River just west of Sept-Îles, Quebec and the Moïse River in the Côte-Nord region of Quebec. I'm having a hard time corroborating this because I'm not literate in French, don't live anywhere near Quebec, and there are indications that both rivers have embayments but the latter one near Sept-Îles flows directly into the Saint Lawrence River west of the 7-island chain fronting the town. I found references to a dam or barrage, which I believe is this one: Denis-Perron Dam shown as Barrage-Sainte-Marguerite in Google Maps. This all means that this article needs to be moved to another page indicating its parent river (Saguenay River) and a second river page needs to be created with the appropriate parent river (Saint Lawrence River) (or new page may just be called Saint-Marguerite River as with this article since it appears to be larger and flows into a larger river similarly to disambiguation with the Snake River). Curoi (talk) 07:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

December 7, 2016[edit]

  • (Discuss)Charles DeanKilling of Neil Sharman and Charles Dean – Dean and Sharman were killed while young, and are remembered for the manner of their death; the two were traveling together in Thailand in 1974 when they were captured and killed by the Communist Pathet Lao guerrillas. Coverage of their deaths, which has continued in American and Australian press in the decades since the killing, tends to cover their deaths as a single event. Neither is notable outside this event. material to support this was presented in the AFD, and also on the page, where the lede will need to bee rejiggered to accommodate this shift. Covering Dean, but not Sharman, in the lede is awfully Yank-centric, imho, downunder, it's Shaman in the headlines, with Dean mentioned later in the articles; visa versa in the U.S. Oh, also, I moved it thinking it was uncontroversial, but it was reverted. E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)AF2af2 – The name of the organization was af2, not AF2. It is only spelled as AF2 due to people apparently not knowing you can make the first letter of a title lowercase. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Fake news websiteFake news – The ultimate subject is "fake news"; Fake news originate/propagate not only via dedicated websites. They may also be generated via social networks - üser:Altenmann >t 20:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)WataMoteNo Matter How I Look at It, It's You Guys' Fault I'm Not Popular – This is the official English title of the original work, which this article primarily covers.[7] The anime series is the only part that uses the title WataMote, but it is an adaptation of the manga and it is not the primary topic. Also, as indicated by the discussion about, there is another manga series that uses the short title of WataMote, thus requiring disambiguation between the two. —Farix (t | c) 11:53, 30 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kansas City (disambiguation)Kansas City – "Kansas City" now redirects to Kansas City metropolitan area per RM three years ago. While the metro area might fit the criteria of a broad-concept article, being a "broad concept" may not be a fitting description of the primary topic, which is decided by us consensus, not the tools or any other, though the tools influence us to decide which is the primary topic. Also, the metro area fails the criteria to be the "Kansas City" that readers are looking for, which I explain in the Discussion section. Statistics prove that the metro area has less hits than the one in Kansas and in Missouri, the most popular of all. Those typing just "Kansas City" are not easy to examine or analyze as the statistics reveal that they may not be looking for the metro area at all. George Ho (talk) 08:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Cuban revolutionary propagandaPropaganda in Cuba – Propaganda in Foo country rather than Fooian propaganda is the standard name for articles in Category:Propaganda by country. This is the only odd duck in that category tree. Now, granted, this article focuses on propaganda in Cuba from the revolutionary times onward, but when most people think "Propaganda in Cuba", they reasonably think of the communist/Castro regimes, not of the now-mostly-forgotten pre-Castro government. I think this article would be much better as Propaganda in Cuba, and if someone wants I am sure it can have the lead slightly changed and a section on pre-revolutionary propaganda added eventually. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)What a Man (song)Whatta Man – The cover version by Salt-n-Peppa and En Vogue was the most successful out of three versions. Also, the proposed title was used for the most notable version. Even the cover version has more Google results than other versions, especially with the proposed title used. George Ho (talk) 07:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 03:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)TranscaucasiaSouth Caucasus – South Caucasus has 1,820,000 results but Transcaucasia — 394,000 results in Google search. It is clear that Transcaucasia is an obsolete term. Also, we use a similar connected term - North Caucasus. g. balaxaZe 08:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Bradv 01:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

December 6, 2016[edit]

  • (Discuss)Assyrian Music → ? – I'm not entirely sure where this should end up, but the article is currently not compliant with WP:LOWERCASE. At present, the lowercase version of this title is a disambiguation page at Assyrian music. Suggestions are welcome. Izno (talk) 17:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

December 5, 2016[edit]

  • (Discuss)Government of the Republic of ChinaGovernment of Taiwan – "Taiwan" is the common name. The use of "Taiwan" instead of "Republic of China" has increased over the years to the point that the phrase "Republic of China" is confusing to an average reader. It has been objected that "Taiwan" is not the official name of the country, but Wikipedia:Article_titles#Common_names is clear that the common name should take precedence over the official name where they differ and the official name does not approach the common name in wider usage. Coco977 (talk) 13:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Indian Tamil diasporaTamil Nadu diaspora – I would like to propose to change this page name to Tamil Nadu diaspora as it more specifically deal with Tamil Nadu diaspora rather than Indian Tamil diaspora. Term Indian Tamil not just refers to Tamil people of India but also Tamil people living in Sri Lanka (Indian Tamils), Malaysia (Malaysian Indian) and Singapore(Indian Singaporean). It confuses the readers whether it is just Tamil people of India or else. Also, there is word as such as Indian Tamil used for Tamil people living in India, because Tamils itself refers mostly people coming from Tamil Nadu, it is some what equates with English refers to someone from England, no one says British English people or British English diaspora. Likewise, we can't say Indian Tamil, either it should be merged with Tamil diaspora main article or just change the name to Tamil Nadu diaspora, because 99% of Tamil speakers living in India are descent from Tamil Nadu, almost 90% of Tamils in India living just in Tamil Nadu alone. Winnan Tirunallur (talk) 01:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

December 4, 2016[edit]

  • (Discuss)Ernst & YoungEY (company) – Three years ago Ernst & Young changed its name to EY. EY was a nickname for Ernst & Young for many years and now it's the official name so the article name needs to reflect that. Thunderbolt.wiki (talk) 19:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)0 (number)0 – This is another attempt to gain consensus for making zero, the number. primary topic for 0, following the failed request of April. I'm framing this request as an amendment to the request for comment Talk:AD 1#What should the articles from 1 to 100 be moved to?, which has been open since October 6 and is still pending closure. I would like to get a consensus here to add 0 (number) to the scope of the RfC, contingent on the RfC moving at minimum the adjacent page 1 (number) to 1. −1, the number is primary topic. 09 are currently disambiguations, after bold moves I've made which have not been contested. It seems appropriate to me that if we move 1 (number) through 9 (number) to the base titles, then it would only be appropriate to also move 0 (number) to primary status, rather than leave 0 as an island of ambiguity surrounded by primary topic numbers. - wbm1058 (talk) 18:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)South Indian diasporaSouth Indian Tamil diaspora – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this. Winnan Tirunallur (talk) 06:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mary Anne MacLeod TrumpMary MacLeod Trump – per WP:COMMONNAME – Mrs. Trump (née MacLeod), mother of U.S. President-elect Donald Trump is not known by her full name (including her maiden name) as most subjects are not. Per Wikipedia guidelines, we use the subject's common name. She is known as Mary MacLeod Trump in multiple news sources (DailyMailExpress UKUS WeeklyIrish Central) with 276,000 results on Google Search. The reason to move to the proposed title is that Mary Trump and Mary Anne Trump, though also common name for his mother, is easily ambiguous as her daughter is also named Maryanne Trump, thus the proposed title is the best title for the subject and most common. CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 23:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)--Relisting.UY Scuti Talk 03:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)VeronikaVeronika (singer) – A search on prefix=Veronika gives 119 pages. Article currently at ‘Veronika’ is clearly not the primary topic desired by incoming visitors. Convert ‘Veronika’ to a page similar to Veronica, to allow proper disambiguation. C679 00:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

December 3, 2016[edit]

  • (Discuss)New Nationalism (Theodore Roosevelt)New Nationalism – I don't see why it was moved the other way around in the first place. Most links to "New Nationalism" are currently about Roosvelt related topic (nearly 200 links), which indicates that this topic is more important and new topic should not take precedence. Or if the previous move really was somehow justified, then please do fix all links that currently refer to wrong article. PS. This new topic shouln't be defined as something which "rose in the mid-2010s" if some links to it are also from contexts that are about earlier times. 90.191.109.9 (talk) 16:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC))

December 2, 2016[edit]

Elapsed listings[edit]

The 7-day listing period has elapsed. Items below may be closed if there's a consensus, or if discussion has run its course and consensus could not be achieved.
  • (Discuss)J. J. WattJ.J. WattMOS:INITIALS states "An initial is followed by a full stop (period) and a space unless an overwhelming majority of reliable sources do otherwise for that person." (My emphasis). It's abundantly clear just by looking at the reference section that nearly every source excludes a space between each J. This also includes NFL.com, ESPN, Pro-Football-Reference, and the Texans. Lizard (talk) 12:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Lü JiaminJiang RongWP:COMMONNAME is the pen name not real name, just look at all the references. The article says: "Until 2006, only five people even knew his true identity; he never revealed his real name to the media... His identity finally became widely known in November 2007, after he won the first Man Asian Literary Prize; a photograph he had submitted to the jury, along with his real name, were published by newspapers all over the world." As for Jiang Rong (sport shooter), that article averages <0.25 page views/day, since it's a WP:TWODABS the author should occupy the primary topic with a hatnote for the sport shooter. Timmyshin (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Backlog[edit]

Elapsed listings fall into the backlog after 24 hours. Consider relisting 8-day-old discussions with minimal participation.
  • (Discuss)Historia Regum BritanniaeThe History of the Kings of Britain – Wikipedia articles generally use the translated name for works and authors (e.g. Geoffrey of Monmouth, not Galfridus Monemutensis; The City of God, not De ciuitate Dei). Further, the Latin title has now been demonstrated to have been De gestis Britonum in the earliest manuscripts, and is not a stable point of reference. AndrewNJ (talk) 16:56, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)GladstoneGladstone (disambiguation) – Redirect Gladstone to William Ewart Gladstone. Widely referred to as just "Gladstone", similar to how Richard Nixon is usually just referenced to as Nixon (which is a redirect to his article, by the way). As a four-time Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, I am confident that the majority of readers searching for Gladstone are most likely looking for the 19th-century British statesman. Others with the surname pale in long-term significance to one of the foremost Victorians in history. --Nevéselbert 21:40, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Chan Chi-chuenRaymond Chan Chi-chuen – The article was renamed as result of the multi-page move. However, that discussion lacked participants. I was unaware of the moves. I propose reinsertion of "Raymond" into the title. Other sources still use "Raymond". Besides sources, criteria, to which WP:COMMONNAMES refers, have not been discussed. Also, we put ourselves or sources before "general audience"/"readers". This needs proper discussion. More will be explained at the Discussion section. George Ho (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2004 Orange Prokom Open – Men's Singles2004 Idea Prokom Open – Men's Singles – I already move this article to fit the title with its Infobox and didn't notice that the name of the sponsor was different, so I'm asking another onw that can move articles to do it. Instead of "2004 Orange Prokom Open – Men's Singles", it should be called "2004 Idea Prokom Open – Men's Singles" in order to fit this article entirely with its Infobox. I apologize for my mistake. Pablito064 (talk) 22:11, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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