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August 24, 2016[edit]

  • Death of Syed Hamid HussainHamid Hussain – (Discuss) – This article is not just about his death. You can see it contains information about his life, education and the aftermath of his death with strong reliable sources. This is a complete biographical article not just about his death (talk) 09:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Infiniti MInfiniti Q70 – (Discuss) – The name of the vehicle has changed and for some reason it was changed to a completely different name which is not used in any market even though the correct name was being used already – AquilaXIII (talk) 07:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

August 23, 2016[edit]

  • 4-2-4T4-2-4 – (Discuss) – Not all these engines were 4-2-4T. Most of the UK engines were well-and-back tank engines while the SA engine was a converted steam tractor which, at times, was fitted with a water tank tender. The present name is also out of step with all other steam locomotive wheel arrangement articles. I would have done the move by myself, but there's a redirect page named 4-2-4 in the way. André Kritzinger (talk) 23:04, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

August 22, 2016[edit]

  • Habits (Tove Lo song)Habits (Stay High) – (Discuss) –
    #WP:NATURAL: Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. #First, this single has been released twice: the first time, as "Habits", and the second one, as "Habits (Stay High)". As "Habits", the song failed to chart anywhere, while as "Habits (Stay High)" was a commercial success, which could indicate that the second title is better known. #The track is titled "Habits (Stay High)" in Truth Serum's and Queen of the Clouds' booklets. #The music video on YouTube is titled "Habits (Stay High)". Paparazzzi (talk) 20:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Ed Gallagher (American football) → ? – (Discuss) – Both of these players had a WP:COMMONNAME of "Ed Gallagher," both played American football, and both were Tackles. I can see three different ways to disambiguate these guys, so I'd like more input as to which one is "best." 1. Using year of birth to distinguish (which I dislike since no one would know their birthyear, but it's probably the cleanest). 2. One of the Ed Gallaghers seems to be more notable for his off the field work, so we could use author/motivational speaker/activist as his disambiguator and hatnote to the other one, who would use "American football" since he is soley known as a football player. 3. One of them was both an offensive tackle and defensive tackle, while the other one was solely an offensive tackle. We could use that difference to distinguish (eg: offensive lineman or offensive tackle vs. tackle). Thoughts? -- Tavix (talk) 16:18, 28 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting for lack of participation — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 02:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC) --Relisting because there's nearly a consensus, but it's not quite there yet. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Astoria, AmsterdamAstoria (Amsterdam) – (Discuss) – Kindly note that the building itself is named "Astoria" as we can see on the street view of the address. Another reason of updating the name is to distinguish this article and property, from another, which appears to be connected by Google with the Astoria office building - Waldorf Astoria Amsterdam. Here we can see how the two properties are merged into one result. Updating the name will hopefully separate them. Also all the other connected articles in different languages in Russian, Nederlands and French include the name of the building itself - Astoria and the name of the city in brackets.Valgetova (talk) 13:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Jaeckel HotelStatesboro City Hall and Drummers' Building – (Discuss) – I suggest moving the article to "Statesboro City Hall and Drummers' Building" for reasons that a) this reflects the fact that the article (and the NRHP nomination) cover the Drummers' Building as well as the Jaeckel Hotel building, and b) this reflects the "City Hall" common current name for the Jaeckel Hotel building.
    The city hall/former hotel building is labelled "Statesboro City Hall" on its front, as can be seen in this photo.
    The lede would be revised to include a bolded "Jaeckel Hotel"; Jaeckel Hotel would remain as a redirect. Common usage of both "City Hall" and "Drummers' Building" is shown in the City of Statesboro's webpage "Boards & Commissions" and "City Council", which are both now used as sources in the article. The "History" source does use "Jaeckel Hotel", I acknowledge, but in that context it is given as a historical name. For where to go to a meeting, citizens are directed to go to the City Hall or to the Drummers' Building, which is technically on a separate property. Note this naming would parallel naming of a separate article Statesboro City Hall and Fire Station that covers a former city hall. doncram 09:55, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Euclid of MegaraEuclides of Megara – (Discuss) – This move was previously done as a cut-and-paste move which I have reverted. Opening this dicussion here so that those expert in the names of Greek philosophers can discuss it appropriately. It has been stated that "According to published references, Euclid needs to be "Euclid", and Euclides needs to be "Euclides". In current English usage they have been disambiguated by the scholars to be Euclid the mathematician and Euclides the philosopher." PamD 08:05, 8 August 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Theme AquariumAquarium (1998 video game) – (Discuss) – Not sure about this, as it creates a disambiguation, but look at the above. If it's correct, then this isn't a Bullfrog Theme game at all, and it would be misleading to present it as such even if it uses the branding. Aquarium is also the title used in English speaking countries; it was only called Theme Aquarium in Japan. There is already an article called Aquarium (video game) about a different game of the same name. Adam9007 (talk) 02:05, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Cameron (wrestler)Cameron Lynn – (Discuss) – False rational was given in April to move it. "Lynn" was described as if it were only an FCW name, which is untrue. As can be seen at she was referred to as "Cameron Lynn" in her Raw debut, which means "Lynn" still existed as her surname on the main roster according to Even if WWE begins to act in brevity by omitting surnames later on does not rip them from the character, it still exists as a NATDAB. Also I object to holding a vote to move Naomi's page here, that should have been held separately on Naomi's page. At least in her case there's Night/Knight confusion and some basis for not settling on one or the other. Ranze (talk) 02:00, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • List of sects in the Latter Day Saint movementList of denominations in the Latter Day Saint movement – (Discuss) – The word "sect" in the title violates Wikipedia's policy on Article titles, particularly the policy on neutrality in article titles. The policy states that non-neutral titles must be commonly used in the popular media. The word "sect" is not neutral (it is negative, see below) and the word is not seen in the popular press with respect to the Latter Day Saint Movement, except and only when describing the polygamous branches of the church. These polygamous branches form only a small part of the churches mentioned in this list. Also, of the 5 criteria of a good title, this title lacks precision, consistency and naturalness. By including all the non-polygamous churches on the list, the title is not precise. Also "denomination" (not "sect") is always used within other Wikipedia articles as well as in the popular press. The word denomination is more consistent and natural. --A more detailed explanation of the above points follows-- The word sect is not neutral. The article on Sects says that the term has been used " a malicious way to suggest the broken-off group follows a more negative path than the original. The historical usage of the term sect in Christendom has had pejorative connotations and refers to a group or movement with heretical beliefs or practices that deviate from those of groups considered orthodox." The word "sect" is rare and only appears when referring to the polygamous branches of Christianity (for LDS movement, as well as protestant). For example Rulon_C._Allred, List of religious leaders convicted of crimes, Münster Rebellion, etc. The word "denomination" is more neutral and would seem more precise, natural, and consistent. Searching both the popular press and Wikipedia shows that the use of "denomination" is common and widespread throughout many Wikipedia articles on Later Day Saints churches(eg. the article on Christian denominations, Amboy_Conference, Church of Christ (Temple Lot), the Latter day saint movement template, etc). The article Christian denomination defines a Christian denomination and shows the word denomination is appropriate for the title. Denomination- a distinct religious body identified by traits such as a common name, structure, leadership and doctrine. Individual bodies, however, may use alternative terms to describe themselves, such as church or sometimes fellowship. Divisions between one group and another are defined by doctrine and by church authority; issues such as the nature of Jesus, the authority of apostolic succession, eschatology, and papal primacy may separate one denomination from another. Dig Deeper (talk) 01:34, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

August 21, 2016[edit]

  • EvangelicEvangelical – (Discuss) – "Evangelical" is the commonly used English name, not "Evangelic". That's what the Websters entry is under. That's the term used in Church names. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • FonckFonck (disambiguation) – (Discuss) – This enables us to treat the French aviator as the primary meaning. He was the highest-ranking French air ace of WW1, the highest-ranking allied ace, and the highest-ranking ace to survive the war. The other two look relatively obscure. PatGallacher (talk) 13:34, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • The dress (viral phenomenon)The dress – (Discuss) – per WP:SMALLDETAILS. The internet phenomenon is simply The dress (lowercase d) while the movies are titled The Dress (capital d), so per small details, Ambiguity may arise when typographically near-identical expressions have distinct meanings. Also, the internet phenomenon has 3,032 views per day, the 1961 film has 1 per day, and the 1996 film has 4 per day, with the disambiguation page having 5 views per day. The internet phenomenon is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A hatnote should solve confusion. Ḉɱ̍ 2nd anniv. 03:08, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Thyroid hormoneThyroid hormones – (Discuss) – Two hormones (T3 and T4) are referred to as the thyroid hormones, and this even features in the lead of the article. It would make sense to move this article to a more logical title. Tom (LT) (talk) 02:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

August 20, 2016[edit]

  • Sour soupList of sour soups – (Discuss) – Compare: List of soups. The only thing in common is that their distinctive feature is being sour. Otherwise there is no encyclopedic content. An alternative would be disambiguation page, but I am not sure. - üser:Altenmann >t 17:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC) - üser:Altenmann >t 17:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife RefugeMalheur Refuge Standoff – (Discuss) – Typically, such armed actions as described in this article eventually are remembered historically using brief and concise titles, such as "Shay's Rebellion," "Whiskey Rebellion," or "Fries Rebellion." Usage of such complicated and difficult to remember titles as "Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge" are never remembered or used over the long term. History classes are hard enough as it is. Can you imagine how much harder it would have been if history teachers had to try to force us all to have to learn complex titles like "Daniel Shays Rebellion Against Perceived Economic Injustice" instead of just "Shays' Rebellion"? I've searched Google for the most commonly used title within the press for this incident, and have come up with the "Malheur Refuge Standoff," which has 9300 Google hits. I have not been able to find any other more popular title for this article. After attempting to move this article to the new more concise and popular title, the article was moved back with the rationale that "Google counts don't say everything." I agree with this statement, they do not say everything, but still I would like to hear a rationale as to specifically why anyone might believe that the current title is specifically better than the proposed title of "Malheur Refuge Standoff" which the press has already found to be preferred. Based on your argument that "Google counts don't say everything, the next logical step of that argument would have to be that you must have some greater rationale than the Google count that more clearly "does say everything." If you could please clarify your rationale that you hold "trumps" the Google rationale, and the rationales listed below, and more clearly represents "everything," I would certainly like to know it. My specific rationale for the Malheur Refuge Standoff title is three fold: #Preferred by the press. #Easier to remember. #Easier to refer to. If anyone could please give me any positive specific rationale for the superior value of the Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge title, aside from the negative rationale that Google shows it as more popular, I would be happy to consider that here. Thanks, Scott P. (talk) 14:44, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • A.S.D. Sambenedettese CalcioS.S. Sambenedettese Calcio – (Discuss) – After the promotion to Lega Pro, the club chose a new name, dropping the D (Italian word for amateur start with D) in the title. Despite the company known as S.S. Sambenedettese S.r.l. (s.r.l. stand for limited liabilities society), the club called themselves S.S. Sambenedettese Calcio, also one of the historical name of the predecessor club. Matthew_hk tc 14:13, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Villa MontalvoMontalvo Arts Center – (Discuss) – The name of the property is Montalvo Arts Center. Villa Montalvo is a historic building located on the site, but this article references the entire estate. The estate's website at is titled Montalvo Arts Center (and redirects here), and it lists "historic Villa Montalvo" as a venue, describing the building itself ( ). In "The mansion and grounds" section on the current article, the "historic Villa Montalvo" is also described as a building located on the property, not the property as a whole. While some members of the community often refer to the entire property as Villa Montalvo, this is not actually correct. The title should be Montalvo Arts Center, with a section titled Villa Montalvo, and not the other way around. (talk) 01:12, 12 August 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Ḉɱ̍ 2nd anniv. 02:08, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

August 19, 2016[edit]

  • AnabaptistsAnabaptism – (Discuss) – As has been indicated by the bold text in the first sentence of the lead for over a year, this article is not primarily about Anabaptist people(s), but rather is about Anabaptism, their theology and religious tradition (and the history thereof). This usage is in line with all other articles about Protestant denominations (e.g, Lutheranism, Adventism, Methodism, Anglicanism) with only one exception that I know of: Baptists. That is a unique case as the term Baptism is not generally used (in or outside of Wikipedia) to refer to the Baptists' religious tradition because it is easily confused with the sacramental rite from which they derive their name. The term Anabaptism, however, does not have the same issue, hence its widespread use to refer to the subject of this article. While the word is derived from the Greek ἀναβαπτισμός (ἀνά- meaning "re-" and βαπτισμός meaning "baptism"), in modern English, the term Anabaptism does not normally refer to the practice of believer's baptism (or credobaptism or adult baptism) more generally. I should also note that this move will bring the name in line with that of the corresponding portal. Graham (talk) 20:54, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Scott Walker (disambiguation)Scott Walker – (Discuss) – After one year of the current setup, it has become very clear that there is no primary topic. Much of what the nominator says is no longer true today - "the politician is the primary topic with respect to usage, because the politician is much more likely than all the other topics combined to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." & "with respect to long-term significance, either no one is the primary topic or else the politician is the primary topic, and it makes no difference because the politician is the primary topic as to usage". The 90-day usage stats presented in the previous discussion were probably heavily inflated because of recentism - back then, the nominator notes 35476 pageviews for the singer and 179616 for the politician. Now, the politician has dropped to 78977, while the singer has remained consistent with 54421. This is not a very impressive difference, and it shows the politician's pageviews are dropping steadily and will likely only continue to do so. The margin (when solely comparing the politician and singer) is only 59.2% for the politician, so he is not "highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." Systemic bias plays a role, too; right now I'm in Canada and Google results favor the singer, who has more worldwide prominence than the politician who would likely be unknown here. MelanieLamont (talk) 19:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC) --Appears that consensus for the move is fading, but give another week — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 20:16, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Guggenheim MuseumList of Guggenheim Museums – (Discuss) – Per WP:DABCONCEPT, this is really not a collection of unrelated ambiguous topics (like "Mercury" the planet and "Mercury" the car), but a list of museums connected to the Guggenheim family. A more informative article can be created by putting this in a list format and describing the relationship between the entities. bd2412 T 14:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • LGBTI rights in NepalLGBT rights in Nepal – (Discuss) – This page was moved to LGBTI rights in Nepal, breaking consistency with similar titles, allegedly because the Nepali constitution now extends to intersex persons. This seems to me to suggest that other countries do not give their intersex citizens equal rights, and that Nepal is unique in this regard. I'm requesting this move because the previous one was done seemingly without a consensus. MediaKill13 (talk) 12:37, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Tom RogićTom Rogic – (Discuss) – Moved without discussion. Very few articles spell his name with the diacritic. It sort of reminds me of the numerous move requests that have gone on at Ana Ivanovic in the past. Unreal7 (talk) 11:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Historical revisionism (negationism)Negationism – (Discuss) – this redirects here already but it's the proper term for what this actually is, a sub-group of revisionism which is negating, so why put the main title in parenthesis? Seems like obvious POV-pushing to imply all revisionism is negationism. Ranze (talk) 01:10, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Gold Star Mothers ClubAmerican Gold Star Mothers – (Discuss) – The suggested name is the official name of the organization (minus the "Inc." per WP:NCCORP). There is no indication that the organization is more commonly known as "Gold Star Mothers Club". Note that someone saying they are the webmaster of the organization said previously on the Talk page that the article is named incorrectly, saying "There are no references indicating where the author found the name Gold Star Mothers Club (GSMC). All Google references lead back to the Wiki page. What was the original source of the name GSMC?". No one has responded with any indication that this person was wrong, and that comment was made more than seven years ago. Although the article title is "Gold Star Mothers Club", this term is not used inside the article itself, and I believe it has not been used in the article for a long time – specifically, since this edit seven years ago. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:47, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

August 18, 2016[edit]

  • Syrian civil warSyrian Civil War – (Discuss) – This was the last title to have consensus. For that reason alone it should be immediately moved back. It could then be returned to lowercase provided that consensus is reached to do so in a future discussion that isn't closed prematurely like the last two. Charles Essie (talk) 22:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Gonzalo CurielGonzalo Curiel (film composer) – (Discuss) – Objections to the above RM were based on this Gonzalo Curiel not going by his full name. Page views strongly suggest the judge is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. He's certainly been in the news recently, so I understand the attempt to call recentism, but being a US federal judge is no small position. And I was surprised to see that this article wasn't created until May of this year, around the time the judge started appearing in headlines (really, when we only had one person by this name, "Gonzalo Curiel" should've been redirecting there). Ever since, the judge is getting a great magnitude of views more than this page. I propose we move this article and retarget "Gonzalo Curiel" to Gonzalo P. Curiel. --BDD (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
  • The Last SamuraiThe Last Samurai (film) – (Discuss) – I'll go with whatever the consensus is, but I do want to put forward the argument that there is no primary topic for the term "The Last Samurai," and therefore a disambiguation page is appropriate. The book "The Last Samurai," which shares a title with but otherwise bears no relationship with the movie released three years later, is considered a masterpiece of contemporary literary fiction.[1][2][3][4] I do wonder if this might be a case of a topic being important in film being granted a prejudiced precedence from the Wikipedia community vs. a topic being important in literature. I don't mean to suggest that the book should take its place as the primary topic, but simply that the threshold "there are two topics to which a given title might refer" applies in this case. What does everyone think? Countercouper (talk) 15:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Michael Morris, 1st Baron KillaninMichael Morris, Baron Morris – (Discuss) – According to WP:NCPEER, the main rule is that the most senior title of a peer should be used in the article title. Michael Morris was created a life peer as Baron Morris in 1889 and a hereditary peer as Baron Killanin in 1900. Both titles have the same rank, but Baron Morris is senior, because it was created earlier. He also continued to be known as Lord Morris in the House of Lords after the creation of his hereditary barony (on 15 June 1900) as can be seen on Hansards: [9], [10]. Editor FIN (talk) 12:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Peruvian solPeruvian sol (former) – (Discuss) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, I suggest redirecting "Peruvian sol" to the "Peruvian nuevo sol" article, since I suspect that the vast majority of such searches are for the modern currency (even if it is officially called the "nuevo sol"). The existing "Peruvian sol" article could be renamed as "Peruvian sol (former)", or similar. Archon 2488 (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Jewish ChristianFirst Christians – (Discuss) – The current title "Jewish Christian" is somewhat correct, but is also confusing and might not be correct per be WP:COMMONNAME. Since the topic is early sects of Christianity (such as Nazorenes, Abionites, etc), we do find much references to "First Christians" and "Early Christians" in the academic debate in order to refer to those initial Christian communities in Roman Judaea and Syria ([11] and [12]), while "Jewish Christian" is both referring to modern Messianic Jews or Judaizing Christian sects and First/Early Christians (see [13]). GreyShark (dibra) 06:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

August 17, 2016[edit]

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The 7-day listing period has elapsed. Items below may be closed if there's a consensus, or if discussion has run its course and consensus could not be achieved.
  • George Spafford RichardsonGeorge Richardson (New Zealand military leader) – (Discuss) – As mentioned above and since researched further by reading contemporary newspapers, he was not generally known by his middle name; "George Richardson" was his WP:COMMONNAME. As explained above, middle names cannot be used for disambiguation according to WP:NCPDAB. "military leader" would be a suitable dab, but there's also an Indian military leader of this name so I suggest that we add "New Zealand" to the dab, too. Schwede66 08:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


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