Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography

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The following discussions are requested to have community-wide attention:

Talk:Treaty of Versailles

Should Britain go first and the US below in infobox based on the discussion-section above? N0n3up (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration

Please comment on three related proposals below which are intended to fix a long running structural problem. Currently we have two primary articles on this conflict which (a) cover two separate strands of the conflict, so neither provides a thorough overview, (b) begin in 1948 on the creation of Israel as opposed to the actual beginning of the conflict in 1917-1920, and (c) exclude certain facets of the conflict such as the Iranian involvement. The three proposals below will solve this problem for good. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Muhammad

Should the very first sentence of the article Which now reads "Muhammad is the central figure of Islam and widely regarded as its founder.[1][2]" Be Changed to include a referenced note at the end which says something like "He is considered by some Muslims to be the founder Islam, while according to other Muslims he should not be called the founder as in their view Islam is the first primordial faith given by God and has no human founder. Non-Muslims, however, consider him to be the founder of Islam". The note should contain at least three references, one for each viewpoint. Similar note technique has been used to give various viewpoints on his station as the "Last Prophet". I propose using Amina Adil's book Muhammad as the source for opinion that he is founder, this history book as a source for the opinion that he is not considered the founder and Esposito as the non-muslim source FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 12:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Laksa

The claim that Laksa originated only from Malaysia can be traced back to the September 21, 2009 claim by then Malaysian Minister of Tourism Ng Yen Yen's attempt to brand those foods as of Malaysian origin. The most recent update to the issue was the public statement on September 23, 2009 that the minister claimed that she wanted to do a study to verify that claim, but up to the point that she stepped down from her post in 2013, that study still has not been made, or at least the results were not published[1]. Recently an editor has been pushing Ng's claim by removing other countries [2] and reverting information/context about the case [3], even claiming that no relevant source had been provided to show that there Malaysia is not the sole claimant of origin for the dish. [4]. Hope to get more eyes on this. Zhanzhao (talk) 06:34, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:ExxonMobil

This article used to have a heading "Support for climate change denialism" which was removed or changed in this extensive edit. Should a heading called "Support for climate change denialism" be restored in the article?

Note that there has been discussion of this issue with involved editors above on this talk page. Note also that we're not looking so much for votes here, as for in-depth comments on the content issues, and possible proposals of how the content should read. The RfC is posed as a question, but we welcome comments and new ideas as per the above section.

SageRad (talk) 15:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:January 8

NOTE: "January 8 is the eight day of the year" SHOULD BE "January 8 is the eighth day of the year". Quis separabit? 16:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Josip Broz Tito

Sourced references to violation of human rights during Tito's regime have been added in the article but constantly removed by two users. Wider input from the community is requested to assess if the proposed edit is correctly sourced. The contested edit (and the relevant sourced) is "and several concerns raised about the respect of human rights" in the following sentence:
While his presidency has been criticized as authoritarian[3][4] and several concerns raised about the respect of human rights[5][6][7][8] Tito was "seen by most as a benevolent dictator". --Silvio1973 (talk) 20:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:"Polish death camp" controversy

Request for comments on the paragraph "Notably, the tenets of those operations attempting to make Poles, not Germans, responsible for the genocide, still live in the hearts of some politicians including John Mann, the recipient of the Jan Karski Award, who in his interview for the Jewish Chronicle.com proclaimed, without mentioning the 3 million Polish Jews murdered by the Germans in Poland, that Poles were the perpetrators of the Holocaust, and that claiming victimhood by Poland is a "revisionist angle" similar to that of Lithuania and Latvia.", or similar ones, being added by user:Poeticbent with a citation link to an article by John Mann in the Jewish Chronicle [5] called "Europe must focus on Baltic hate". The "operations" referred to are those by ex-Nazi secret service police after WWII mentioned in the section "Operations to whitewash German responsibility for WWII". To me this paragraph seems like original research, POV and are not in the cited source. Rapido (talk) 20:34, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Royal Tunbridge Wells

Should the article include the slang term "Tunny Wells" ? (I personally don't think it should but as we're not reaching any agreements above I think it's best to seek opinions from outsiders), Thanks, –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:11, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Socialism

Should the topic of this article be:
  • One A socio-economic system where there is social ownership of the means of production and the ideologies and movements supporting it,[6] or
  • Two The ideology and movement generally called socialist, which supports some degree of social ownership and/or control of the means of production.[7]

TFD (talk) 08:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50)

Regarding second half of the second paragraph of lede as of RfC posting; (was third paragraph prior to recent edits; see history):
  • A): Is it 'on topic' and appropriate for the lede of Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50)—an article which covers the relocation of ethnic Germans in the years immediately following WWII—to contain text explicitly noting Generalplan Ost—a plan formed in the years 1939–1942 by Nazis to relocate various non-German ethnicities in the event Germany won the war?
i.e. Is text regarding an unrealized plan by Germans to relocate people topical to the lede of an article which aims to cover relocation of Germans by others?

The post-war expulsions of the Germans were part of the geopolitical and ethnic reconfiguration of postwar Europe that attempted to create ethnically homogeneous nations.

beside which it was placed as a reference? Does reading the book excerpt in context of its surrounding paragraphs indicate that it's intended to be taken to regard broader "geopolitical and ethnic reconfiguration of postwar Europe" or does it instead cover specifically German expulsions after WWII?
  • B.1): If the cited passage is found not to be directly supportive, it would leave

The post-war expulsions of the Germans were part of the geopolitical and ethnic reconfiguration of postwar Europe that attempted to create ethnically homogeneous nations.

as an unsourced assertion. Might it be preferable to replace it with

The post-war expulsions of the Germans took place amongst other geopolitical and ethnic reconfigurations in postwar Europe.

as a more neutral lead in sentence for "Between 1944 and 1948 about 31 million people, including ethnic Germans, were permanently or temporarily moved from Central and Eastern Europe." which follows?

--Kevjonesin (talk) 15:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Aloysius Stepinac

Should the honorific-prefix field of the infobox of this article include the prefix "Supreme Vicar of the Croatian Army, including genocidal Ustaše forces" as well as "His Eminence Blessed Dr."? Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 08:45, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Poland

Should Poland be described as existing in "Central and Eastern Europe"? --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 22:24, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Syro-Palestinian archaeology

There is a proposal to move from Syro-Palestinian archaeology to Levantine archaeology here and to create separate pages for Archaeology of Syria and Archaeology of Palestine. Your opinions would be welcome, thanks Drsmoo (talk) 13:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Canada-related articles

Should use of all of |name=, |official name=, and |settlement type= be required for all Canadian cities? Nikkimaria (talk) 12:57, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Bijeljina massacre

Question: Should this article make reference to the Bosnian Serb politician Biljana Plavšić stepping over the body of a dead Bosniak to kiss the Serb paramilitary leader Željko Ražnatović (aka Arkan)?

The current version of the article makes reference to a photograph in the following terms: A photograph, described as "widely-circulated" and "notorious", reportedly shows Plavšić stepping over the body of a dead Bosniak civilian during the kiss. The kiss between Plavšić and Arkan is not at issue here, there are many reliable sources that mention it, and it has been accepted as an agreed fact in several prosecutions at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. The question of this RfC is whether Plavšić stepping over the body of a dead Bosniak, or words to that effect, should be mentioned in the article, given that a significant number of sources mention this detail while a significant number of sources do not. If you consider it should be mentioned in the article, please indicate what wording you consider should be used. Plavšić is still alive, so WP:BLP obviously applies. The table below lists sources/quotes that mention the "Plavšić stepping over the body of a dead Bosniak to kiss Arkan" detail in some form, as well as a list of sources/quotes that don't mention any dead body during "the kiss". This is a bit of a contentious and complex RfC, so it would be appreciated if interested editors would do a bit of fact-checking/reading before placing a comment either way. I suggest editors use the terms Include or Do not include along with their comments and/or suggested wording. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 00:47, 18 December 2015 (UTC)


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  1. ^ Cyril Glassé; Huston Smith (January 2003). The New Encyclopedia of Islam. Rowman Altamira. p. 320. ISBN 978-0-7591-0190-6. 
  2. ^ Morgan, Diane (2009). Essential Islam: A Comprehensive Guide to Belief and Practice. p. 101. ISBN 978-0-313-36025-1. Retrieved 4 July 2012. 
  3. ^ Cohen, Bertram D.; Ettin, Mark F.; Fidler, Jay W. (2002). Group Psychotherapy and Political Reality: A Two-Way Mirror. International Universities Press. p. 193. ISBN 0-8236-2228-2. 
  4. ^ Andjelic, Neven (2003). Bosnia-Herzegovina: The End of a Legacy. Frank Cass. p. 36. ISBN 0-7146-5485-X. 
  5. ^ Tierney, Stephen (2000). Accomodating National Identity: New Approaches in International and Domestic Law - Page 17. Martinus Nijhoff Publishers. p. 17. ISBN 90-411-1400-9. 
    "Human rights were routinely suppressed..."
  6. ^ No More: The Battle Against Human Rights Violations - Page 37, D. Matas, Canada, 1994. 
    "Human rights violations were observed in silence... It was not only that the wide list of verbal crimes flouted international human rights law and international obligations Yugoslavia had undertaken. Yugoslavia, a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, paid scant regard to some of its provisions."
  7. ^ Rights Before Courts - Page 183, W. Sadurski. Springer. ISBN 978-94-017-8934-9. 
    "The name Tito does not only symbolize the liberation of the territory of present-day Slovenia... it also symbolizes the post-war totalitarian communist regime, which was marked by extensive and gross violations of human rights and fundamentals freedoms."
  8. ^ Café Europa: Life After Communism, Slavenka Drakulic. Hachette. 
    "He was responsible for the massacre of war prisoners at Bleiburg and forced labour camps such as Goli Otok, for political prisoners and the violation of human rights"