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Darrin Gray - Author & Speaker

Hello,

I'm attempting to write a page on an author. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&title=Darrin+Gray&create=Create+page

Will this pass as notable? If not what do I need to do to fix.

Thank you for your help.

Renee Renee530 (talk) 23:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Renee530, as you have not clicked 'publish changes', nobody else can see the work. In addition, please create the article (not page) first as a draft, probably Draft:Darrin Gray. That will prevent it from getting tagged and speedy deleted immediately by the more aggressive new page patrollers. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I've published the changes and added additional news articles. Renee530 (talk) 16:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Renee530, it would have been a much better idea to create a draft, as suggested above. The article you created is not ready for main space - it is full of inline external links instead of references, and many important bits are unsourced. Since this is a biography of a living person, you must be even more careful than usual about good sourcing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I see it has now been moved to draft space. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I've added external "news" links will this work now? Renee530 (talk) 00:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Renee530 No -- you need to do what 199.208.172.35 and David notMD have explained. See Referencing for Beginners for more info. This will explain what the external links are. You need to change those into inline citations before you submit your draft for reconsideration. David10244 (talk) 06:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added what you have suggested. Thanks for the input. Is is ready to be submitted with the changes. Renee530 (talk) 00:05, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I've added 18 citations Renee530 (talk) 00:08, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Before submitting, remove all hyperlinks from Draft:Darrin Gray. Some of those may be appropriate as references. See Help:Referencing for beginners. You may want to use your own Sandbox to format refs correctly before copy/pasting into the draft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 21:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Citing sources

Hello! On Draft:Thunkable, I don't know how to cite sources. I do know how to add a reference, but I can't find any reliable sources about thunkable. If I use EveryBody Wiki and Bios as a source/external link, it's blocked. I don't know how to cite the article, and if I submit it, it's declined. What can I do about this? Sincerely, WPchanger2011 (talk) 00:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@WPchanger2011: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you can't find reliable sources that are independent from the subject, it's probably not notable as Wikipedia defines it. You've already cited sources as one would expect on Wikipedia, so I don't know what you mean by you not knowing how to cite sources. I'll also say that using wikis (including Wikipedia itself) is a bad idea; user-generated content almost always lacks the editorial oversight for a source to be considered reliable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, so it means there's nothing I can do about it? WPchanger2011 (talk) 20:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@WPchanger2011, unless you can find reliable sources, that is, indeed, the end of the line - for now. It doesn't mean the subject will never be notable, just that it isn't at the moment. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

@WPchanger2011 A draft is supposed to be written with you collecting the independent, reliable sources first, then writing the draft using what those sources say. Most authors, especially new ones, do this backwards. David10244 (talk) 08:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Multiple, Related Articles 'Speedily Deleted'

This morning I added an album listing to the article List of 2023 albums. Afterwards, the user User:QuietHere deleted the album listing -and- went on to unilaterally delete (via redirection) several very longstanding pages for the band and their albums, arguably citing non-notability. I think the pages should be restored pending a more thorough consideration of their importance. Given the breadth of the sudden changes and my relative ignorance of how Wikipedia operates, I don't think my trying to directly discuss this with User:QuietHere is feasible. Rather, I'd hope this could be escalated to staff a/o an administrator of some sort.

Pages deleted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peach_(band)&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Almost_the_Right_People&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giving_Birth_to_a_Stone&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flow_with_the_Tide&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Don%27t_Make_Me_Your_God&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Disappear_Here_(EP)&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burn_(Peach_album)&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spasm_(song)&redirect=no
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suns_of_the_Tundra_(album)&redirect=no
Isomega (talk) 21:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Isomega, don't worry, the pages weren't "speedily deleted" and all the prior content is still in the edit histories for those pages. Just discuss the matter with the other user, and if you can come to an agreement about notability the pages are quite easy to restore without help from admins! Larataguera (talk) 21:36, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

The (longstanding) pages were never proposed for deletion, etc., they were just summarily redirected (which was tantamount to deletion). At the very least it seems like they should be immediately reinstated and, if necessary, a formal process for the consideration of their deletion started. I don't think the existence of the articles/information should merely hinge on an agreement between myself and another user. Rather, it should be opened to a wider request for feedback and settled after due deliberation. Isomega (talk) 21:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

It does appear that User:QuietHere deleted the content of all of those articles (all content still visible via View History) and created a redirect to Justin Chancellor, who was a member of the band, and therefore musician on those album and song articles. The most efficient next step might be to start a discussion on QuietHere's Talk page rather than on the Talk pages of the articles in question. I did see that one thing in common for all the disputed articles is that there were no references, and were template tagged at the top, but that does not justify these redirects. David notMD (talk) 22:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

The Chancellor article mentions that he was in the band Peach, but provides no details about the band, its albums or songs, so the redirect is 100% useless. David notMD (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

@Isomega apologies for the confusion. I did the background research into the band and the coverage I found was far from sufficient for an article for the band or any of their albums so I decided a bold redirect was the best option. I almost put it to an AfD but I was confident enough in the move and figured the result would be the same nonetheless so I skipped that step. If you disagree then you can restore the articles and I will launch the AfD so we can have a formal discussion about it, but I still don't expect it'll make a difference. As for @David notMD's point above, the reason there are so little details about the band in the Chancellor article is because the details in the band article were mostly unsourced and what is already in the Chancellor article is about all the reliably sourced info that exists already. QuietHere (talk) 03:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

And for the record, you could've contacted me on my talk page about this. I promise I don't bite! QuietHere (talk) 03:49, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

As a retired American biochemist, I have no skin in this game. My recommendation - and this will take work! - is restore all the articles, start AfDs on all but Peach (band), then change the name of that one to Suns of the Tundra (band), with a Redirect from Peach (band). Revise accordingly. Find and add valid, reliable-source references for the band. If there appears to be sufficient referencing, copy any content worth salvaging from the AfD'd articles before those are deleted. The other eight had a history of only a few views per day, so no great loss. And then (housekeeping), leave comments at the AfDs that any useful information was copied into the band article. Each AfD decision will be made by an Admin. David notMD (talk) 08:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Which would be a great plan if the coverage for the band existed, but what I'm saying is there's not enough for a standalone article. Most of the search results I found were just about Justin Chancellor with his career with Peach as a footnote. This band's notability rests solely in their connection and I can't imagine that would hold up to scrutiny in an AfD setting. The most there is left to do that I can see is add the band's very brief AllMusic bio to Chancellor (which I will do momentarily) and maybe expand that section a bit. The redirect could change to the early life section since that's where all the info on the band already resides. QuietHere (talk) 10:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I generally agree with this approach: essentially distilling all information into a single article. The band suffers from a lack of obvious search results, not actual notability. Given the band's timeline, non-trivial coverage should exist in print media. Isomega (talk) 16:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Print media, not avail online, are valid as refs. Decide whether the article will be about Peach (band) or Suns of the Tundra (band). Such an attempt would not preclude adding band history to the Chancellor article; possible there are refs that would be useful for both. If QuietHere is adamant that this single article concept is still not worthy, can start an AfD and leave a decision to an Administrator. David notMD (talk) 19:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Why are place boundaries not showing?

Why is it that when using Wikidata in articles, the place boundary shows up for this for (Q790094) Avalon Beach but not for (Q5395442) Erowal Bay? As far as I can tell both have the OSM Relation data linked. Avalon Beach (2918144) and Erowal Bay (6076612). These are just two specific examples but the question applies more generally.

What's going on here? Ceyx azureus (talk) 03:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ceyx azureus. The Teahouse answers questions about editing the English Wikipedia. Wikidata, on the other hand, is an entirely separate Wikimedia project that many or most Wikipedia editors know little or nothing about. For questions about Wikidata, I recommend that you go ask at Wikidata. You should be able to find their help functions on their home page. Cullen328 (talk) 09:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Ceyx azureus: Look at the template in the |image2= field in the infobox of the Avalon Beach, New South Wales article. That appears to be what's adding the map in that article's infobox. The Erowal Bay infobox lacks such a template. Deor (talk) 15:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

How to remove a clarification needed

I am new to Wikipedia and am working on an existing article "Mark Bly - American Dramaturg": Mark_Bly. In the second paragraph, the tag "clarification needed" has been inserted by an editor. I have attempted to provide clarification with a parenthetical note and have added an additional citation: #18. I'm wondering if someone could take a look and if the clarification is sufficient remove the tag. If not, I'd appreciate any suggestion as to how to address the request and eliminate the tag. Thank you for your help on this and in the past. - Geoffproehl970 Geoffproehl970 (talk) 03:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Geoffproehl970: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for improving the article.

@Quisqualis: Since you asked for the clarification in this edit, would you like to weigh in? GoingBatty (talk) 05:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @GoingBatty and @Geoffproehl970; I requested clarification of the term “The Questioning Spirit”, which Geoff provided, nicely. Hence, I've removed the tag. Nice article! Thanks.-- Quisqualis (talk) 15:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

As a creator of show , I want to add my name

I am the creator , I started this show from scratch as creative Director and my name come on tittle montage also …so I need to update it on Wikipedia also 103.233.141.74 (talk) 04:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

if you want to create an article about yourself, here's why you should not do that. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

IP, you should not create an article about yourself, but you can. It is quite hard to remain neutral, and to only include information about yourself that appears in the sources that you have collected. David10244 (talk) 08:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Subject show AJOONI CREATOR …Trivendra Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.233.141.74 (talk) 05:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I think you're saying that you want to update the article Ajooni to include that you, Trivendra Singh, are the creator. It appears you tried to do this in this edit, which was reverted. Since you have a conflict of interest, you should not be editing the article directly. Instead, I suggest using the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to ask that the information be added. I also suggest you provide an independent published reliable source with your request, so another editor can verify the information. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 05:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I stop my article from getting moved back to draft or deleted?

I've been working on my article for rapper Cobra Maltase and It keeps getting deleted even though it has a lot information, high criteria and notablility, It got deleted 10 times today and I'm new to this. Please look into this and please fix it. Thank you.

Link: Cobra Maltase JVMoneyMan (talk) 07:01, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

The draft is actually at Draft:Cobra Maltase, and it is certainly not ready for article space. It was deleted because you kept moving it to article space even though it has no proper sourcing, and no indication of notability. Cobra Maltase has now been salted (protected from creation) by user:Liz to prevent you from moving it to article space again. If you can create a properly sourced article that shows the subject's notability it can be moved back to article space (but not by you). Please read WP:N, WP:MUSIC and WP:RS. Note that statements such as "James Antonio Vasquez was born on June 7, 2005 in Brooklyn, New York" and "Moved out when he was four years old and started growing up in Houston, Texas." are not sources. Meters (talk) 07:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Please pay particular attention to the WP:MUSICBIO portion of WP:MUSIC. It does not appear to me that the subject meets any of the notability requirements for musicians. If that is the case then this article will not be approved, and you should stop spending time on it. Meters (talk) 07:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I deleted all the non-refs and content that made no contribution to establishing his notability, i.e., video games he played, music he listened to. If you cannot find and add valid, reliable source references, there is no hope. (See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to format refs.) David notMD (talk) 09:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

UPDATE: JVMoneyMan blocked as sockpuppet of User:CobraMaltase (also blocked) and the draft nominated for Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 14:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Rename image file

Hello I uploaded a non free image and then realised that there is an obvious mistake in the file name. How do I change/move it? Thanks (File:Ziggy Shipper.jpg) Fieryninja (talk) 09:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Fieryninja. Please take a look at Wikipedia:File mover for reference, but only certain users can move a file. You will need to request the file be moved using Template:Rename media. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done. I've moved the file to the correct spelling. Deor (talk) 15:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing the References section

Hi, I noticed on the Methaqualone (quaaludes) page, one of the references used is actually for a Frontline documentary about methamphetamine. It appears someone added the reference with good intention but either missed the second half of the word or was unaware the two drugs were different chemical substances.

I tried to delete the reference (#16 on the methaqualone page) but it seems that references are the one part of the page that cannot be edited like the other sections. This could be my inexperience too, I've only made 2 edits before, I think, so I'd appreciate any guidance that anyone could provide. Thanks. Nmetkn (talk) 10:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

You'll find advice at Help:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse, @Nmetkn. I think your helpful observation could be left at the talk page of the article, and you can leave it to another editor to act on it, if you wish. You are quite right - the references sections cannot generally be edited directly. They are built up from the 'inline citations' added to text in the article, and then automatically compiled and displayed in the references section. This lets you refer to just one source many times over, whilst still only having one citation appearing in the references section.

I will leave you a welcome message on your talk page and invite you to take a look around at making small edits to Wikipedia to get you going. It's not for everyone, but we welcome everyone who is willing to help make improvements. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nmetkn I checked the .pdfs of the references and both are fine. Haislip / DEA worked to reduce supplies of both methaqualone and methamphetamine and both are mentioned in ref #17, whereas ref #16 only mentions the former, which is correct for that article. Whether that was included in the Frontline documentary, I can't say: the documentary is mentioned but not cited. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Neuroonkologija

Where to start an article in Lithuanian? Wname1 (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Wname1, are you looking for Lithuanian Wikipedia? English Wikipedia does not accept articles in Lithuanian. Justiyaya 14:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Wname1 An article in Lithuanian on Neuro-oncology actually already exists. You can find and improve it here. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Wname1 If you had already tried and failed to find that language version, I'm not surprised. I just checked and found that the Lithuanian article had been assigned its own unique identity on Wikidata back in 2013. I managed to remove its entry and reassign it to the other identity which already had 18 language versions showing up. So now there are 19 language versions showing for the single topic, and so it's much easier to find via the 'language' link for an article, now helpfully re-located at the top right of your screen in desktop mode.

Should you wish to take the English version of Neuro-oncology as a starting point, you may find helpful guidance on how to translate into other language at Wikipedia:Translate us, with more general information and help at Wikipedia:Translate Hope this helps you - and good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 14:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Thanks for your interesting information's. Wname1 (talk) 17:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

No worries. It's a pleasure to help. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Chanda dynasty

Now can I move this page to the main space? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

After your draft was declined you resubmitted it. The box on the draft says: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,431 pending submissions waiting for review." - David Biddulph (talk) 14:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

You should continue to improve your draft. For example, you need to ensure that your list of "notable people" includes only notable people by Wikipedia's definition, per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Please verify the sources given by me in this article. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 07:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda I created proper wikilinks for all the names listed in your draft. They all appear as WP:redlinks, indicating that none has a Wikipedia article. Accordingly, none are "notable" as defined here for a list. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:17, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Arthur William Groom (children's author)

Hello, can anyone help please? My draft for the above author has been declined apparently owing to a lack of reliable references to the authors works? My only real reference evidence is through a book written and researched by Anne Commire editor for reference books for Gale Group. There is a site of which you can gain access electronically to a book she wrote titled All About The Author Vol 10, which includes Arthur William Groom's history and works. I have attached a reference link to my draft page, but apparently this is not enough evidence to prove his works? What am I doing wrong please? This article took me a lot of hors and effort. Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Commire Buryman49 (talk) 14:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

The text of your draft doesn't have inline citations. You need to put the references with the text that they support, see Help:Referencing for beginners. That way, future reviewers will see which of the text is sourced & which is unsourced. If you haven't already done so, you ought to read the notability requirements at WP:AUTHOR. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, so if I edit the draft and put in the inline citations this should be ok. The trouble is much of the reference needed to support the text is via a link that is only visible via electronic resource which the site requires logging in to gain access to the information, would this still be acceptable for Wikipedia? Thank you again. Buryman49 (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, some of the best sources are often behind paywalls or not available online, Buryman49. See WP:SOURCEACCESS on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:07, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

If this is the only source, you might have trouble writing an entire article on them. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Just to be clear, this is about Draft:Arthur William Groom (children's author). No idea why the Wikilink to Anne. David notMD (talk) 18:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

What happened to my Wikipedia page?

For over a decade, there existed a Wikipedia page dedicated to my work and achievements. Suddenly, it has disappeared. The page was titled: Laurence Galian. Laurence Galian is the pseudonym of Laurence J. Gagliano (b. 1954). I am surprised that it is possible to take the draconian action of removing an entire Wikipedia page without contacting myself (or others) to determine if I have additional material to justify my having a Wikipedia page dedicated to me. I feel I should have been contacted, and asked if I had any new achievements that would justify the continuance of the page. In point of fact, since the last update of my page, I have been able to find sources to substantiate new information that should justify the existence of a "Laurence Galian" Wikipedia page. The page that was removed lacked a large amount of information directly related to my career and achievements. For example, the article lacked all information about music albums of my original musical compositions. Also missing, was information regarding the airing of my original music on National Public Radio, an award from the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, information regarding my large number of guest appearances on various podcasts, more than a million views my videocasts/podcasts/music videos I have received on YouTube, numerous articles published on internet sites, Worldcat data on the most widely held works by Laurence Galian, recent papers delivered at international conferences, and so forth. Please explain to me how a Wikipedia editor can single-handedly delete a page devoted to me and my work? And please explain to me how I might proffer a new "Laurence Galian" Wikipedia page. Thank you for you help in this regard. DazanMushin (talk) 15:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

This page ?[1] Timur9008 (talk) 15:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

DazanMushin Three Wikipedians (Wikipedia editors) agreed to delete the article, four if you count the deleting administrator. You can contact Wikipedia administrators to see if they are willing to provide a copy of the article so you can improve it, or you can start anew by creating a draft.

Remember that you are expected to write in an encyclopedic, neutral tone, that you have a conflict of interest and will find it difficult to not promote yourself, and that in order to demonstrate notability you need to meet WP:NAUTHOR, WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Since the article was deleted only one year ago, I find this not worth your time. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, they did reach out to you at your own talk page - User talk:DazanMushin. And it doesn't appear that you responded over the course of the last 2 years. Not sure how long you're expecting people to wait for a response from you, but deletion discussions generally run for a week or two. Sergecross73 msg me 16:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Although Wikipedia frowns on attempts at autobiographical articles (see WP:AUTO), it does not forbid such attempts. You can start anew using WP:YFA as a guide to how to create andsubmit a draft, although wise to first review the links that Sungoodtemple provided. As mentioned, you can ask for a copy of the article as it existed before the deletion. Content from that can be copy/pasted into your new draft. David notMD (talk) 19:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

A suggestion - leave out all things musical and instead focus on having reliable source references that identify you as an expert on the paranormal. David notMD (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the article will not be yours. Anyone can edit it, and anyone can add anything, that is if it has a reliable source. Read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Redirect pages

Do redirect pages ever get deleted after their content has been moved or merged to a new page? If not I feel like they should after a set period of time to save space. Wareno (talk) 17:05, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wareno, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sometimes, but not often. The space taken up by redirects is really not an issue (especially given that deleted pages are in most cases still in the database). See WP:R#CRD ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Wareno (talk) 23:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Party Color Codes

Hello :)

I have created Tønder Listen as a page about a local party in Denmark. I made it mostly for making 2021 Tønder municipal election more "beautiful". However unlike the other parties in that page, Tønder Listen is shown as having no color, and I don't understand how I can get it show the colors from the Tønder Listen page when writing about the party in 2021 Tønder municipal election. I want it to be like e.g. the display for Social Democrats.

Thanks, thomediter. Thomediter (talk) 17:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Thomeditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe this is because the party is not listed in Module:Political party. See Module:Political party#Requesting an addition or a change. ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks :) Thomediter (talk) 18:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Thomediter I'm afraid that in my view, the article you created about a local political party does not appear to be Notable, and two of your three sources are primarily to the party's own website. Whilst it may be appropriate to mention this brand new political party at the article about Tønder Municipality, I can't see it meriting a page of its own. I note there is not an article about it on Danish Wikipedia, which tends to suggest it is not very notable there either. Or have I got something wrong, and do you have many, better national sources still to be added? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Ciations

What factors are put in to decide if a citation "From a good source" and "Not a good sources" Jackatwentyone (talk) 18:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

The feedback which you mistakenly deleted from your draft (despite the rubric "Do not remove this line!") includes a number of useful links, including to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. David Biddulph (talk) 19:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks :) Jackatwentyone (talk) 19:06, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I see that you have yet again tried to delete the previous feedback despite what it clearly says: "Do not remove this line!". The feedback is there to help you and to help subsequent reviewers. If you continue to resubmit without addressing the points raised this is liable to be regarded as tendentious editing. In particular the feedback tells you that reliable sources need to be (inter alia) "strictly independent of the subject" - David Biddulph (talk) 07:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I go about creating a new page

I would like to add a new page in honor of a legend, Dr. Vithal C. Prabhu whose life's work was to address the taboo in India related to sex education. He was a great friend and peer to Dr. Mahindra Watsa because of the common interest in educating the masses with accurate sex education information. Dr. Prabhu's audience were mostly in Maharashtra because his first sex education book was written in Marathi, a local language of Maharashtra State in India.

One of his biggest achievements was his Marathi book on Human Sexuality publication in 1982, “Niramay Kaamjeevan” which has marked approximately 40 editions and has been translated in multiple Indian languages, and also referenced for a digital sex education app.

He wrote 17 books on General Health. In addition, he authored over 18 books on Human Sexuality, presented over 50 scientific papers at various National and International Conferences, wrote over 750 articles in newspapers and periodicals, lectured over 800 public and professional speeches, including the first human sexuality talk given on the All India Radio in 1985.

Dr Prabhu was the Founder Member and Chairperson of the Council of Sex Education & Parenthood International (CSEPI). For his distinguished work in Sexology and other health areas, he received multiple awards and recognitions, several are missing in this list: · “Golden Lamp” Award, the highest honor by CSEPI · Lifetime Achievement Award at a National Conference of Sexology · Award at the First Asia Pacific Conference of Sexology · Chainakaar Arvind Raut Award · Shalayushi Medical Journalism Award · P.C.I. Trophy at the General Practitioner Association Conference · Maharashtra State – Best Literature Award, three times recipient · 7th World Congress of Sexology – Award in 1985 · Other

Please guide me on how I may start working on his page that could be very similar to the one created for Dr. Mahider Watsa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahinder_Watsa

Although I don't have all the information, I am hoping to start one and update it as more information gets gathered by his followers, or have them request the owner of copy rights to grant permission to the Majestic Book publishers to release the wealth of information that could share about all his publications.

Looking forward to a response. Thank you. Regards, Leena Mehta 98.26.64.29 (talk) 19:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Leena, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Please note that creating a new article is one of the most challenging tasks there are for new editors, and I always advise new editors to spend a few months making improvements to some of our six million existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works, before trying it.

When you think you are ready, your first article is the place to start. Some pointers I will give you, though:

1. Wikipedia articles are not "in honor of" anybody. We have articles on very virtuous people and organisations, and on the most villanous people and organisations. Every article should be neutral in tone. An article should contain not one word of praise (or condemnation) of the subject, in Wikipedia's voice. (It may contain such things in quotations from independent sources). When somebody has a passion for a subject, as it sounds as if you have, this can be difficult.
2. What the subject did, said, or published, is not relevant to an article except where independent sources have written about it. This is key: almost the entire article should be based on what independent published sources have said about the subject, not on what the subject said or did that has not been written about independently. You need to start by finding suitable sources to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. See WP:BACKWARD.
3. A small amount of factual information from non-independent sources may be used if there is enough independent material. But unpublished information may should never be included in an article. It is unlikely that you will gain anything by contacting the publishers: reliably published information may be included, and unpublished information may not. Their permission would be relevant only if you were intending to incorporate significant amounts of text from somewhere (which would be very unlikely to be sutable); or if you wanted to use images to which they hold the copyright. This is more likely; but only if the publishers demonstrably hold the copyright (which is often not the case), and they are willing to release it under a licence acceptable to Wikipedia. See Image use policy.
4. You are not required to create an account in order to create and submit a draft, but doing so makes it easier for other editors to communicate with you, and has some other advantages.

ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

If you create an account you will have a Sandbox. That is a useful space to draft content and references which once satisfactory, can be copy/pasted into your draft. As mentioned above, WP:YFA explains how to start a draft, Help:Referencing for beginners on how to create references. Note that Publish changes at the bottom really means same changes (that confuses many new editors). A question: did you have a personal connection to Prabhu? If so, see WP:COI for how to state that on your User page. David notMD (talk) 20:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Mister Vertigo

or (Mr. Vertigo) are a Boston MA based alternative/indie rock band formed in the year 2000. I am a fan of the band and feel they should have a Wikipedia page. They have been on several labels. Have been an integral part of the New England music scene for years. Have put out 5 LP's and 3 EP's. They have also worked with many other notable artists throughout the years. Mister Vertigo has also had songs in movies and on TV. I wanted to know if they are notable enough to write an article on. [2]https://www.google.com/search?q=mister+vertigo&rlz=1C2SQJL_enUS891US895&ei=jbDeY-aAHYzY5NoP98iukAs&gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TIk3TcrOSi4yYPTiy80sLkktUihLLSrJTM8HAJuPCoA&oq=mister+vertigo&gs_lcp=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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp Please send a reply If6was9iwouldbe15 (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

It's worth reading the notability criteria at WP:NBAND. If you think that there are independent reliable sources to demonstrate their notability, try reading the guidance at WP:Your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, If6was9, and welcome to the Teahouse. As well as David Biddulph's answer, I suggest you read my reply to the question immediately before this. Not all of it may be relevant to you, but most of it is. ColinFine (talk) 19:57, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

smalljim

is there account hacked? there used to be a "this wikipedian is deceaced" thing on his page and now hes editing again?? HUH???! 50.109.155.222 (talk) 19:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Smalljim professes to be less Wikipedia-active, but on current User page and Talk page has no statement about being dead (or undead). David notMD (talk) 20:37, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I can confidently report that at no time have I been "deceaced", or anything similar :)  —Smalljim  21:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

And we are enormously happy that's the case. Live long and prosper, friend. BusterD (talk) 03:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia hacked

Today at 15:23 approximately, I was checking old "Did you know?" facts and suddenly, there was a very long text from a user with this title: "THIS SITE HAS BEEN HACKED". After going to see other Wikipedia pages and refreshed the window several times, it was gone. What happened? Sété40 (talk) 20:57, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Sété40 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You likely encountered an act of vandalism, that was subsequently removed. 331dot (talk) 20:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. This is true, but the text was on all Wikipedia pages. That's weird... Sété40 (talk) 21:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes somebody manages to vandalize a template that is transcluded on many pages. It usually does not stay there long.

Mitch199811, Sete didn't say they wer on the main page, but checking through old DYKs. ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

It was even on the French version of Wikipedia. And by 15:23, I meant 20:23 UTC. Sété40 (talk) 15:44, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Sété40 It's possible that it was part of a coordinated activity. The point is that no matter the scale, it was vandalism not an act of "hacking". 331dot (talk) 18:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe, but I couldn't find any related edit on the website. Sété40 (talk) 22:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't cascade protection guard everything on the front page? ✶Mitch199811✶ 22:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mitch199811: The creator of this section states they were checking old DYKs, which are not protected. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 17:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

No Edit Suggestions on iPad OS app

It's there on other platforms, a small button on the menu bar with a pencil. When clicked it gives you edit suggestions within the app. Why was it removed for iPadOS? Thanks 72.14.99.86 (talk) 22:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. Few serious editors use the Wikipedia app for editing, so I doubt we can give you much help with that. I use an old iPhone running iOS 12.5.7 and just access Wikipedia via Safari in desktop mode (Note: you can switch between desktop view and mobile view via a teeny-tiny link hidden right at the very bottom of every page.)

In desktop view, click on your username and look for the tab next to it called 'Homepage'. This will give you various suggested edits you can make to improve Wikipedia. I'm not aware of any pencil icon that performs the function you describe, though our editing tools on the web do use two pencil icons - one for switching on and off 'syntax highlighting' whilst using our WP:Source editor, plus a different-looking pencil icon for switching between that editor and Visual Editor. I hope this makes some sense for your editing situation. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Dr. Manhattan and other articles

How can I improve the following articles:

• Dr. Manhattan
• Hamster cage
• Greenskeeper
• Badlands

What can I improve on? IAmTheGinger (talk) 22:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

(Host comment: I merged four questions into one for brevity) Nick Moyes (talk) 23:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

IAmTheGinger: you could improve Hamster cage by converting all the section headers to "sentence case", with words capitalised only if they are proper names or the first word of the title. Maproom (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@IAmTheGinger: Welcome to the Teahouse. All four articles have 'templates' either at the top or in the body of the article suggesting that wording could be improved to make it more neutral and encyclopaedic in tone. Copy editing to do this comes quite easily to some people, but not to others - so it depends on how you feel about your Engliosh writing abilities and your skills in summarising content in a clear, factual and non POV manner.

Some paragraphs have no supporting citations, so you could search for sources that support the statements and insert the reference and edit the content accordingly.

Dr Manhattan is regarded as a B-class article, which means it could be better, but is fairly well constructed already, and the others are also all quite detailed. So these might all be quite challenging tasks to work on for a new user. By way of example, the first sentence of Hamster cage is incredibly clumsy, stating: A hamster cage is a cage designed to house a hamster or several different hamsters. This really grates on me, and could be far better worded in the voice of an encylopaedia as A hamster cage is an enclosure designed to house one or more hamsters. Repeated use of the same words in one or more consecutive sentences are not at all pleasant to read, and should be fixed. One trick I find useful is to read sentences out loud and see how they sound when you speak them. Do you trip over them? Does repetitive use of the same word make it sound dull or clumsy? Is the punctuation in the right, place, for example?

Making small changes that increases comprehension are important. Just ensure you don't add anything in that is either misleading or that adds uncited factual statements. If in doubt - leave it alone.

If you want to look for easier first tasks, try clicking on your 'Homepage' tab and take a look at some suggested first edits. Hope some of this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

IAmTheGinger All of your edits to those four articles were reverted. You scattered new sentences and grammatically improper sentence fragments into the existing text that were unnecessary descriptions, and provided no references for the new content. David notMD (talk) 23:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes I see that the phrasing at the start of the Hamster cage article was OK until it was made awkward by the OP, @IAmTheGinger. David10244 (talk) 07:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Good spot. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:48, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

List of names inside Memorial Hall to serve as link back point for individual Wikipedia pages

Hello. Memorial Hall (Harvard University) Contains marble tablets of Harvard students and alumni who died fighting for the Union in the Civil War. Harvard has provided a list of these names here: https://websites.harvard.edu/memhall/home-2/buildings/memorial-transept/names-listed-in-the-memorial-hall-transept/ many of these individuals have their own Wikipedia pages. Fletcher Webster’s Wikipedia page mentions memorials to him around Boston. Memorial Hall is not listed. MemHallUsher (talk) 23:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

How do I update the Wikipedia page for memorial hall to best include this list of names that are inside Memorial Hall? MemHallUsher (talk) 23:23, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MemHallUsher. The best way to present the information depends on how many of the 136 have Wikipedia biographies. I assume that number is significantly smaller. Please clarify. Cullen328 (talk) 23:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I have located 4 pages so far and am only on tablet 3. Out of 136 what might be the minimum threshold? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MemHallUsher (talk • contribs) 23:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

MemHallUsher, I do not think that there is any minimum. If it is roughly ten people or so, I would just mention the names in running prose. If the number is larger, it could be presented as a bulleted list. Cullen328 (talk) 00:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Feldenkrais

the descriptions under this entry are false: Feldenkrais Method is not a therapy and has never presented itself as such. Also, a vascular surgeon's ideas about the Feldenkrais Method are described as valid, just because this person published an article. That article is not researched, is not based in the neuroscience that the Feldenkrais Method is based on. The entire entry on Feldenkrais Method, a method of learning, based in neuroscience, reads like a gossip page, sprinkled with selective citations of which many are not valid since they mis-define the method as a medical therapy method to begin with. Yet, Wikipedia continues to obstruct valid adjustments to the entry, as a long history of attempts does show. Who exactly is behind this entry? What is their agenda?? Maybe this person knows how to lock in what they wrote, but what they wrote is in error. What then is the process to make changes, if the originator of the entry somehow knows how to by-pass peer review and correction by those in the field of neuro-transformative learning. It makes a joke of Wikipedia, to keep deeply flawed entries in place. Durgaval (talk) 02:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Durgaval Feldenkrais Method has existed as an article since 2003, undergoing more than 1500 edits by scores of editors. If you disagree with parts of it, you are welcome to continue to edit, either adding or subtracting content, as long as reliable source referencing is maintained. However, I see that you have edited the article and all of your edits reverted. When being reverted, the proper next step is to start a discussion on the Talk page, and also read previous discussions there, including the more recent archive #2, to understand what previous edits have been disputed. There, there have been prolonged and heated debates over the quality of evidence for effects of Feldenkrais Method. David notMD (talk) 04:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

P.S. The 'originator' is long gone, and there is no concept of peer review in Wikipedia. "BRD" calls for editors to be Bold in their edits, but if Reverted, Dicuss at the article Talk page. People may profess to be experts on a topic, but all that matters is verification via references. Health/medicine topics are held to a high reference standard described at WP:MEDRS. David notMD (talk) 19:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Being an expert on a topic does not matter here. If you say that the sun is actually red, but every reliable source says it's blue, we say it's blue. An expert's opinion means nothing to us. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Help with notability creating a new page

Hi! I'm attempting to create a page for a music artist known as Nurko: Draft:Nurko

After this current rejection, I'm unsure of how the "topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia" as there is plenty of independent reliable sources citied and it also satisfies the condition: Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart with his collaboration with Illenium titled 'Sideways', as referenced in this Billboard article: https://www.billboard.com/pro/illenium-valerie-broussard-nurko-sideways-hot-dance-electronic-songs-debut/ which was also referenced.

Any help/advice on where to improve the page would be greatly appreciated! Lightless1 (talk) 02:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Multiple reviewers have declined the draft, and one has rejected it, as failing to establish the subject as notable. After all the work you've done, it seems you've been unable to find reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. The best advice I can give is: give up, and find a better use for your time. Maproom (talk) 09:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

London-Sydney Kangaroo Route

Many airlines use the wrong term so the public can easily be forgiven for using the term "DIRECT" thinking they are flying on a NON-STOP flight. They are two totally different things! The chart on the above webpage should be edited to read NON-STOP but there must be numerous other pages in Wiki that have the same wrong information. A DIRECT flight has one flight number but can have multiple stops on route. Shortsolent (talk) 02:48, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Shortsolent. There is no Wikipedia article called London-Sydney Kangaroo Route although we have an article Kangaroo Route that does a good job describing this type of flight. We have articles Direct flight and Non-stop flight. You can raise your concerns at Talk: Kangaroo Route. Cullen328 (talk) 03:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Internet Archive Bot

Hello. I was trying to use the Internet Archive Bot in meta wiki. So, I clicked the run bot on a single page option but it shows that the action I request to perform needs the analyzepage permission. Can you help me please? The Abnormal Guy (talk) 09:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like a question for meta:User talk:InternetArchiveBot. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

what is the meaning of Wikipedia

Wikipedia is a free, open content online encyclopedia created through the collaborative effort of a community of users known as Wikipedians. Anyone registered on the site can create an article for publication; registration is not required to edit articles. 117.196.9.153 (talk) 12:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

The article Wikipedia has more info. Did you have a question about using Wikipedia? That's what this help desk is for. RudolfRed (talk) 12:50, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Parameter

The last time I put two sources in Root of unity was the part of integer power and inverse of root of unity, with its complex conjugate. The problem is that the Joseph Rotman 3rd edition has two part. For complex conjugate, I used the part one

Rotman, Joseph J. (2015). Advanced Modern Algebra (3rd ed.). American Mathematical Society. p. 129.

However, there is no such parameter that could featured the part of the book as well. Should I write its part on the title book? Regards, Dedhert.Jr (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Dedhert.Jr I would say "yes". It is a similar situation to using Volume numbers described at {{cite book}}. I note that Part one and Part two have different ISBN, which you should also include in the citation (1=9781470427313, 2=9781470423117). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:22, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will put it on the parameter volume=, as you say before. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 17:43, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

TOC is missing when printing a wikipedia article

I have notice that the Wikipedia has changed its look. The main change I am concerned with is that the Table of Content (TOC) is on the side. If you wish to print a page using the print/export tool, the TOC is not included. Is there a way to include the TOC in the print/pdf? Theophilius (talk) 14:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Theophil789 I think that this behaviour has changed even more recently than the change to Vector 2022. I'm pretty sure that up to a couple of days ago printouts included TOC's. That might of course upset some people as with long articles the TOC could "waste" a lot of paper. Hence the current state. To revert to having the TOC you could go back to Vector 2010 via your preferences. You could do that permanently or just for a printing session. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:05, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Merge BBC Worldwide and it's exact text, infobox, and history into BBC Studios

I know I said this in Talk:BBC Studios, but it seems like they never merged anything and all they did was change the name, so we might as well. Sirhewlett (talk) 15:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

It is not clear to me why you think these two articles should be merged, but the place to suggest it, with a thorough and reasoned rationale, would be on the article talk pages. And who is "they" and "we"? Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira I believe @Sirhewlett was talking about Wikipedia when they said "we" and "they" Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Can other editors simply change the title of my requested move when the discussion is still in progress?

I have made a formal request to move a page. While the discussion is still in progress, a different editor, without ever formally participating in the discussion or at least checking with me, changed the target page. Is that even allowed? It seems like a very sneaky move. What is the whole point of the discussion in the talk page when the other editors are allowed to change the title however they want to? Bostonite01310 ^talk 19:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Is it possible that this editor didn't know about your proposal and the discussion, independently decided to move the article, and acted boldly.? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.221.194.253 (talk) 17:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe that the article has yet been moved. The complaint, if I understand it correctly, was that another editor had changed the target specified in the move proposal. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Editor David Biddulph precisely re-stated my question. Any information on this would be appreciated. Thanks -- Bostonite01310 ^talk 19:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Generally that sort of talk page edit is inappropriate, but there could potentially be exceptions (WP:NOTBURO). I would suggest that you politely ask the editor that made the change for an explanation, as there's a decent chance that the change could have occurred by accident while adjusting page formatting. If that doesn't resolve the issue, it should be mentioned in the move discussion itself, and if there isn't a consensus for how to handle it there, it can be taken to WP:ANI. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Living Painter profile

Hello,

I would like to create an article as living painter profile but I am not sure if it is considered "notable" in Wikipedia standars. I am registered to N. Y. Museum of Contemporary Art - Manhattan. I am present on several on-line galleries and present on all major socials directly or on galleries. For the professional side I have bee writing and publishing articles for specialized magazines in the past while I see a former business partners (Gucci family) has a dedicated article. Would You be so kind to give me some info and advice?

Best regards Sunze19 (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Sunze19 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best advice I can give is that you should go on about your career as if you had never heard of Wikipedia, and allow independent editors to taken note of your career in independent sources and choose on their own to write about you. There are good reasons to not want an article about yourself. If you truly meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable artist, someone will eventually write about you. Trying to force the issue yourself will be hard, as you would need to set aside what you know about yourself and only write based on what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to say about you. Please read the autobiography policy. If you still want to attempt to write an article, please read WP:YFA and go to Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sunze19. Conceptually, it is important to understand that Wikipedia does not have "profiles". Instead, we have encyclopedia articles about notable topics. Please read the notability guideline for artists. Cullen328 (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

See List of contemporary artists for examples. Modeling a draft about yourself on those is not a guarantee that when submitted it would be accepted (some of what is listed there may be deletion worthy), but those articles should give you an idea of what it means to have reliable source references that are about you as an artist, not just confirming your work exists. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Finding a Userspace draft submission

Hi all, I submitted a draft article in the Userspace before Christmas to obtain some editor feedback before full submission. I have a couple of things to look at and then would like to submit the article fully. However, I cannot find the draft article anywhere now. Please could someone advise? I thought the link was Leecullen14/sandbox/Perivoli Foundation but this does not seem to work. Thank you in advance. Leecullen14 (talk) 22:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Leecullen14: It looks like it is at User:Leecullen14/sandbox/Perivoli_Foundation RudolfRed (talk) 22:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much, I couldn't find it anywhere! Leecullen14 (talk) 09:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Leecullen14. There's a really link on every user page and talk page to show the entirety of that user's contributions. So that would have been the place to look had RudolfRed not given you the link. You can see all of yours here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! Leecullen14 (talk) 09:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Signature fix

Hello, I have been manually adding my signature to talk pages, as I can not seem to add my signature to my preferences without it 'running out' of characters... here is the mess I have found myself in, thank you ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 22:48, 05 Febuery 2023 (UTC) [[User:The Emperor of Byzantium|<span style="background-color:green; color:white;"><span style="font-size:100%">&maltese; Emperor of Byzantium &maltese;</span></span>]] (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi The Emperor of Byzantium. Spans can be combined, spaces are optional between styles, Unicode characters can be saved directly, font-size:100% is implied. [[User:The Emperor of Byzantium|<span style="background-color:green;color:white">✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠</span>]] [[User talk:The Emperor of Byzantium|<span style="color:black;font-size:80%;">(talk)</span>]] produces: ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk). There is room for more code now. Don't break the limit by copying code instead of signing normally. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Don't forget to check "treat the above as wiki markup" when inserting wiki markup in the signature input. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 01:35, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion for merging two articles

Hello. I don't know where is the best forum on which I can suggest a merging : Vida Akoto Bamfo and Vida Akoto-Bamfo. I know where and how to do that on the French WP and on wikidata but here, I'm lost... best regards. Cbyd (talk) 22:53, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Cbyd. You can find detailed guidance at Wikipedia:Merging. It should be fairly straightforward. The article entitled Vida Akoto Bamfo was created prior to that entitled Vida Akoto-Bamfo (created by User:Natsubee three years later), and I would imagine that content found in the newer article could simply be copied over with appropriate attribution in an edit summary. I have not checked which version of their name is the most commonly used one, however. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Zippy Kid

Hey wiki contributors, please check Zippy Kids discography at musicbrainz and make article about him here 188.163.60.251 (talk) 00:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You can place a request at WP:RA, or you can be bold and create the article yourself by following the guidance at WP:YFA RudolfRed (talk) 00:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Maps

What software are the svg picture files of maps of countries and subdivisions made? Like how can I highlight specific borders on a map of the Earth for Wikipedia articles? 2600:6C50:487F:FAF6:B401:ED3F:23B5:5B44 (talk) 01:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

As mentioned at WP:Graphics Lab, Inkscape is the general standard for SVG editing. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Feminine surname

Hi, I had created the surname list Abbasova, and it was later merged into Abbasov because it is the feminine version of the surname. I was looking for help regarding the WP policies related to this. I saw we have a Category:Feminine surnames. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 02:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if this belongs in the teahouse, but asking once is better than not asking at all, right?

Why does the previews in SVGs on WikiCommons (and most likely, Wikipedia too) get glitched out? I have a example here.

What in the world is happening in the first place for some SVG previews. I also saw that the preview on the Qing flag also got glitched. For the second time, why in the world is this happening?????

Kxeon (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Kxeon, if it's about Commons, it doesn't belong here. If you can't be bothered to check whether something happens in Wikipedia, I wonder why you think people in Wikipedia would bother to answer you. Asking once may be better; asking twice perhaps not. One "?" is enough. Oh, and if you have a problem such as this, then either (a) try a different browser, or (b) say that you've tried an array of different browsers. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with the SVGs. meta:Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons/Improve_SVG_rendering and its phab tickets may be related. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 03:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Using Firefox, Safari and Opera, I'm not seeing a problem in any of them. This may be happening in the user's browser as suggested above. BusterD (talk) 03:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm on Linux. Using Firefox and Safari on my iPad, and they still don't render properly. (It's in the history if you don't see it.) Kxeon (talk) 03:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@Kxeon: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the File history section, I see that some of the images don't display properly. I suggest asking in the Wikimedia Commons help desk: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents - good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah. So that's where I go. Thanks for telling me where I was supposed to go! I'll go here with my question now. Thanks! Kxeon (talk) 03:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Notifying interested editors of disruptive editing

Hello -- the page Ferdinand II of Aragon appears to have been turned into a hagiography by a tendentious(?) editor (for once I was expecting the spanish inquisition and didn't see it) -- as a casual editor, I was wondering what is the best way to alert other editors interested in keeping the content neutral/encyclopedic (from the history, it appears reverting has already been tried), e.g. does posting a new topic to the talk page alert members of associated wikiprojects? -- thanks! Random fixer upper (talk) 05:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Posting on a talk page doesn't alert Wikiprojects.

Behavioral issues should be reported to WP:CESSPIT.

If there is vandalism going on, or obvious bad-faith editing, you could also report it at WP:AIV.

If there's a neutrality issue, tag the top of the article with {{npov}} and start a discussion on the talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

This escalating food fight dates back to 20 November 2021, when TheLastTrastamara began adding content, ultimately increasing the length of the article three-fold. There was some edit warring back in April 2022. In January 2023 Vami IV took the radical action of restoring the 2021 version existing before TheLastTrastamara began editing, and in doing so, eliminating more than 100 of what appear to be good-faith additions and 3/4 of the references. TLT reverted that edit and Anachronist reverted that. Patience, and starting a discussion on the article's Talk page is probably a good next step. As all content is preserved in View history, perhaps TLT could propose one section at a time from that as being a valid contribution to the article. Personally, I disagree strongly with the massive revert actions by Vami IV and Anachronist. David notMD (talk) 11:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

THAT SAID, I agree that what TheLastTrastamara has added over time is far too bloated, full of minutia, and chunks of history not directly about Ferdinand. The article certainly does not need >1600 words about his appearance and personality in the form of quotes from contemporaries. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Articles Marked as promotion

I am a new writer in Wikipedia, i am trying to write articles about companies, artists and other important topics but marked as promotion, how do i avoid this, i don't have any relation with the companies Dancunmurage (talk) 12:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

This appears to be about Draft:Vifav. Content can be tagged as promotional even if you have no personal or financial connection to the topic. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Example: "Overall, vifav.com is a comprehensive and user-friendly platform that provides a wide range of features and services to help users make the most of the web. Whether you are a student, professional, or simply someone who loves to explore and learn, vifav.com is the perfect place to start your journey." is clearly promotional.David notMD (talk) 13:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Your draft article reads like promotional material, hence it was marked as such. Examples: "...features a wide range of content" - positive opinion. "...and more." What does 'more' mean here? Be specific, or leave it out. "This section is regularly updated with new articles and features" How often? Who says so? "...providing users with fresh and engaging content to explore and enjoy." Seriously, you don't see that as pure promotion?!

"Vifav.com also offers a range of social media integration features, allowing users to connect and share information with friends and followers across multiple platforms. Whether you prefer Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or any other popular social media site, vifav.com provides a simple and convenient way to stay connected and up-to-date with the latest news and trends."... is all pure meaningless marketing-speak.

"In addition to these core features" - er, no unique "core features" have been identified, there's nothing to single this site out as anything notable - "...offers" (things offered by many, many websites) "and much more." is general, unspecific, unencyclopedic and reads like promotion. "Whether you are looking to find information, stay connected with others, or simply explore the web, vifav.com has something to offer." Well, I'm unimpressed with this advert - which is what it reads like. What is actually WP:NOTABLE or WP:DUE about this website? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, please read WP:YOU. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:35, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

And WP:NCORP for companies. David notMD (talk) 15:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Permanently deleting information

Hey I decided to post a message here, cause recently I’ve noticed something that bothers me. Every time I edited a page Will(TV series) in its english form soon after it the edit is deleted and the page is restored to original without the made changes and I received a message from an editor (MrOllie) on that page quoting: “pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia.” It is also said in the same message that I shall be blocked from editing. First i wanna say i do not have multiple accounts. I have only one and that is the account that I’m writing . Does anyone of you here who is editing this page experience the same problem as me? I guess the rules in Wikipedia are the same for all of us, so that users can be blocked aswell. Every one of us here is adding information that he knows and maybe other editors don’t know. The information which was added is true and it is backed up with a reliable sources which Wikipedia requires. As I know Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia, so anyone may edit this or other articles. Also i have no idea if this article content is or isn’t controlled by a central authority. In light of this I would be happy to hear your opinion about that case and hopefully together we are able to fix this. Vessyray (talk) 12:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I checked to see if your edits do actully contain useful cited information. As of right now you have 5 total edits with this account, none of them to Will (TV series). You also have no talk page yet, so no messages have been left for you. But there is an account User:Vesyray which has been editing it. So you do in fact have at least 2 accounts. That violates WP:SOCK. Good luck with that when admins notice it and begin looking for your sockdrawer. Heiro 12:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

You also seem to be User:Veganpurplefox, as you both made edits to Draft:Edward Hayter. Heiro 13:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps I can jump in here, and say that Vessyray/Vesyray is the same person, while any checkuser will tell you that the other account appears to be technically unrelated. Some other relation? who knows. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Possibly meat? 207.253.67.127 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is also a good contender for either Vezy or Veganpurplefox as they also edit quite a few of the same articles, including that draft. In fact, between the 2 Vezys, Veganpurplefox, and at least one IP editing the same articles, I would have suspected a sock drawer just like the one who dropped a sock warning on thier talkpage. Heiro 13:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I think you'll find an adequate explanation below, and/or elsewhere, and Vessyray is now known only as Vesyray. I couldn't possibly comment on the IP. Multiple accounts aside, which I think has been dealt with, back to the topic in hand... -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, the topic at hand was Mr Ollie reverted the OPs alternate account for suspected sockpuppetry/off wiki coordinating (the one that actually edited Will (TV series) and is now the only Vesy acct) here. Probably because Veganpurplefox has made a similar edit multiple times. (just one example) And then OP posted here to ask how to get around it with the Vessy acct? Mr Ollie only warned one of the Vesy accts, may not have known about the other Vessy that actually posted here, so they must have suspected the account of being someones sock/meat puppet. Vesy, Veganpurplefox and the IP all editing the same draft and all adding the same edit to Will (TV series) made them the obvious choice. If you're sure there's no way that is the case, I guess we can leave it at that. Heiro 14:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Isn't wiki supposed to be welcome for anyone to edit? I have shared the link in a fan page so anyone can find the link of the draft and clearly there are others that found it cause I only have made 1 account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veganpurplefox (talk • contribs) 13:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC) There is the fan account ,there a many followers and the wiki draft is in the bio, in no way i would have 2 accounts. Anyone is free too add information right? Its not because someone is underated that means thats 1 pers9n create more accounts. There are big misunderstanding here. https://instagram.com/fansofedhayter?igshid=ZDdkNTZiNTM= — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veganpurplefox (talk • contribs) 13:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

There is no misunderstanding. Read the warning on your talk page or be blocked. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Vesyray has asked that account User:Vessyray be blocked. It's blocked. Veganpurplefox has been trying to create several article about Brit actors, one of whom was in Will (TV series), hence this suspicion of being another sock. The Vessyray account had made three edits to one of those actor drafts, and Vesyray two edits to Will, but if we allow that is because of common interests, Vesyray and Veganpurplefox can be allowed to go their separate ways. David notMD (talk) 16:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

P.S. IP 207.253.67.127 was VPF, having forgotten to log in. That has been resolved on VPF's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Guta Moura Guedes

I have am a complete amateur wikipedia editor and have been working on the above page as a hobby for the last few weeks. I would really appreciate any help with alterations that improve the chances of publication. Thank you!! RichardDehn (talk) 15:35, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

You did not properly Wikilink the draft. Press "Insert link" and enter your draft Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:51, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Richard, and welcome to the Teahouse. On a quick look, you have done a better job than many people's first try at writing an article. But the text is nevertheless pretty promotional. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

Evaluative text such as it was widely regarded as one of Portugal's leading cultural events should never appear in Wikipedia's voice: such statements should occur only as a direct quotation from an indepedent reliable source. You have cited it to ArtDaily, but that piece does not look like an evaluation by an indepedent critic, but simply a press release, so it simply does not belong in an article.

Also, Wikipedia's style says that you should refer to her as Moura Guedes rather than Guta.

You can continue to improve your draft while it is waiting for review. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Guta Moura Guedes --ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity

Trying to make a connective path with others using the (talk) page, I am having trouble learning how to do this. I have limited understanding in binary two-point systemizing a talk page, my abilities are some what limited when it comes to operating a computer. I need a better way to... Two & "three-point" systemize a talk page. Is there a blog? Lmreva (talk) 17:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Lmreva, welcome to the Teahouse. Talk pages are not meant to be forums for discussion of article subjects - they are for discussing improvements to the articles. Also, Wikipedia's articles are based on what reliable sources have said about a subject, not on the opinions or research of Wikipedia editors. You appear to be seeking to discuss and include your own original research. This is best done on some other website - see a list of possibilities at WP:Alternative outlets. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

You have created Draft:Orbiting-particle system force that is pulled straight inwardly into infinity. without references. My guess is that is your original thinking. There is no potential for this to become an article. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that draft is fever dreams, the result of too many psychoactive plant experiences, or an alien from the future come back to save us with his method for time travel, but I'm pretty sure it needs to be deleted. Heiro 20:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Heironymous Rowe You can disagree with a topic and/or the content, but please never disparage the creating editor. David notMD (talk) 23:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Need help optimize draft

this is a politician biography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Em_Prasad_Sharma Prashantrajput6788 (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Prashantrajput6788! References should ideally be placed just after the piece of information they support, rather than in a big clump at the bottom. I made a tweak to turn the clump into proper footnotes, which I placed just after the first sentence. I'd encourage you to move them to more appropriate spots; you can just drag them around in VisualEditor mode. WP:REFB has further information on how to do so.

Courtesy pinging @Curb Safe Charmer, the AfC reviewer who declined the draft. Could you re-review in light of the change? Moving references to appropriate spots is nice but should not be a consideration when we're looking only at AFD survivability, so unless there is a different issue this looks fine to me. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Thanks for the ping. WP:AFCSTANDARDS require the criteria for inline citations to be met and the draft as I reviewed it had zero inline references. How to handle draft biographies of living persons at AfC that have no inline references has been discussed recently and there is some difference of opinion. However in this particular draft there were statements made about the person that I couldn't find supported in the general references. We try to have the draft's author do the work to improve the referencing as they are motivated to do so while a draft so that it gets accepted into mainspace, rather than a lesser likelihood that they'll do so if it was accepted as-is. I will re-review. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Nicola Bulley - normal draft article processing time

"Disappearance of Nicola Bulley" is a Wikipedia article. Bulley disappeared last week, has not yet been found and so the article reflects, literally, the latest news available at media outlets. How is it that an article relaying the latest media news has taken almost no time to clear draft status while other draft articles (not simply relaying news, see; WP:whatwikipediaisnot) take up to 6 months? Emmentalist (talk) 22:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC) Emmentalist (talk) 22:00, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

A premise of your question, Emmentalist, is that this came from a draft. Did it? It looks to me as if Thecheeseistalking99 instead created it as an article. How is it that Thecheeseistalking99 created it? Because they wanted to, I suppose. But however it came into being, if you believe that it violates Wikipedia policy, you're free to propose its deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 22:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons_for_deletion includes as #14 "Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia". This points to WP:What Wikipedia is not, which tells us that one of the things it is not is a newspaper. So there you go: what is, or anyway looks like, a policy that condemns this article. However, you should read it carefully before citing it for AfD, because it doesn't say quite what one might guess it would. -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

To answer a different part of your question, @Emmentalist: a draft gets reviewed as soon as a reviewer happens by with the time and interest to review it. How soon this happens depends on the reviewers available and the draft itself. Very bad drafts get declined quickly. Very good drafts get accepted quickly. Drafts which have many minor issues, or address niche subjects, or use foreign-language references, or are long and complex, will linger longer. And if there aren't many reviewers active, that'll also have an impact. So - it all depends. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

The issue is that there is a backlog of about 2,000 drafts and the system is not a queue. Reviewers choose what they want to review. So, can be hours (sometimes), days, weeks, or (sadly) months. Also, as mentioned above, this was never a draft submitted for review. Thecheeseistalking99 created it as an article. David notMD (talk) 23:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Turkey earthquake

I know this isn't the place to ask for article edits, but since Turkey is extended confirmed protected, I'm asking if someone can include the recently catastrophic earthquake that happened at the end of it's history section. Oscarjohnson1981 (talk) 22:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Oscarjohnson1981, welcome to the Teahouse. Talk:Turkey is not protected, so that's the best place to suggest updates to the article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:38, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Where to help

Where is a good place to find where I can help with certain kinds of articles? WikiProjects? Looking to do specific tasks. Thanks in advance Squeaksqueakn (talk) 22:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Squeaksqueakn. That sort of depends on what you're looking to do. The Community portal has a Help out section with many suggested ways to clean up variously tagged articles. If you're looking to do a specific kind of work, there's probably a tag and associated category we can point you to. If you're looking to work on specific types of articles instead, then yes, many WikiProjects have lists of articles in their area that need improvement. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@Squeaksqueakn: Needs to be bit more of a specific question so you can the find the right help, you can ask here, Wikipedia's Help Desk and the Community portal. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 23:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Multiple accounts on Wikipedia

Hello there
So I am currently using two accounts on Wikipedia, one is specifically for edits in science related topics and one is for general editing, so is this legal according to Wikipedia's policies?
103.36.80.253 (talk) 00:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See WP:LEGITSOCK for legitimate uses. This should be acceptable under #Privacy, make sure you publicly link the two accounts, probably on user pages. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Publicly declaring an account used for privacy is a bit of an oxymoron. I tend to recommend you always mainly look at the 'Inappropriate uses' section, rather than the examples of legitimate uses. The easy solution is indeed to declare the accounts. If they remain undeclared (and sometimes even if they are declared) you should be careful not to overlap edits, join the same discussions, get too controversial, edit policy discussions, or otherwise come across as 'avoiding scrutiny'. Otherwise, there's no real prohibition. But it's always easiest to declare the accounts so no one gets the wrong impression or feels misled. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)