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So-called review of my article Lorenz Kienzle[edit]

Hey there, I've written quite a few articles for the english wikipedia so far. Usually I'm more familiar with the german WP. What happened to my article Lorenz Kienzle (translation of german article I also wrote, but quite a few years ago) now in a so-called "review" is something I honestly would consider as vandalism. Anybody here who'd help me out? The vandalist in question added like 100 "citation needed" blocks, marked a source I actually possess as a real book (containing the pics in question) with a "failed verification" note and furthermore added those "citation needed" blocks in a way that the html shows in the reading mode. I have not seen any article on a living (or dead) artist that verifies every single exhibition the person has made and had with an extra source. Of course I included the person's website where these solo shows easily can be traced (apart from the books and catalogues that were published and are listed as well in the "publications" section). I'm quite pissed, but don't want to start an edit war by just reverting the edits. Anybody here who would take a look? Thanks a lot in advance ... Grizma (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Grizma. The edits to the article are most definitely not vandalism, which has a very specific meaning on English Wikipedia. False accusations of vandalism are disruptive so please stop. My suggestion to you is to provide a reference in each place where the "citation needed" tag has been added, and remove each tag as you add the reference. I have written several biographies of artists and photographers, and I provide a reference for each exhibition. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Grizma. I get that you're annoyed; please don't be. This is a collaborative project, and articles that you create are not your articles. You have not opened a discussion on either Talk:Lorenz Kienzle or User talk:Vexations. I agree that Vexations has added a lot of {{citation needed}} tags; but they have also improved some translation, attended to the formatting, and added at least one reference. That doesn't look like vandalism to me. The "failed verification" is on a citation that points only to a website (it doesn't mention a book). --ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
OK, I see. The publication is mentioned in the text. In that case the citation should contain useful bibliographic information (author, title, date, page) not a useless link to the publisher's site. If the text is not available online, don't provide a link in the citation. --ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

The "citation needed" has been inserted many times inside the brackets of the wikilinks, the excessive use of the "citation needed" makes the article unreadable. I think this is very bad style and it creates a lot of work for both of us, fixing the wikilinks etc. I have no problem with including more sources, I have a problem with the style here. Usually a note is left on the discussion page that you can deal with instead of this disruptive use of the citation stamp. I will get in touch with the user, but I wanted to hear more opinions before. Are you really telling me I should list every single catalogue and book which is already in the "publications" list again in the references? That's just blowing up the references without any meaningful content. Check out these article: Peter Keetman, Herlinde Koelbl, Toni Schneiders, Peter Thomann, Gottfried Jäger. Grizma (talk) 07:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The article is VERY poorly sourced, notability has not been established. The argument that other poor quality articles exist is not a good one. Theroadislong (talk) 08:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

creating a page for my nonprofit[edit]

I run a 501(c)(3) and I'd like to start a Wikipedia page on it. My org has third party references, a legit website, legit relationships with stakeholders. But I'm just not sure if *I* as the President can make the page without a conflict of interest... at the same time, I'm not sure who would want to create a Wikipedia page about a nonprofit OTHER THAN those involved with it. I also certainly don't want to do anything improper, especially now that I'm familiar with the concept of "advocacy" on Wikipedia. Please forgive my n00bery Bowleskimberlyb (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bowleskimberlyb, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've no idea what those letters and numbers mean, but I'm assuming you run a charity The bottom line is that if you aren't sure why anyone would want to write about your organisation (NPOAS?) then it probably isn't Notable enough yet to have an article about it on Wikipedia. We only include subjects which have been written about in detail and in depth by independent sources. The link I've just given you shows how we judge notability for organisations. That doesn't mean that non-notable organisations don't do amazing work, just that if news media and books/magazines haven't written about it then there's little chance. But maybe they have? If you found and linked to the three or four best sources that talk about your organisation, then maybe we could judge for you.
If you then decided to write (or get an employee/volunteer) to write about the company, you would not only have a clear Conflict of Interest, but would probably also need to declare paid editing, per this mandatory policy: WP:PAID. That's not to say you can't do it - just that we'll be pretty tough if you don't do it right! Because Wikipedia is not here to help companies or charities in their WP:PROMOTION, you may feel that other social media outlets are better places to raise awareness, and also far more control than you would ever get here. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Bowleskimberlyb (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a place to merely tell about something. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages, about subjects shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, in this case, the definition of a notable organization.(please review) Typically, an article is written by a Wikipedia editor that takes note of a subject in reliable sources and chooses to write about it. Articles are not typically written by editors with a conflict of interest with the subject. It is not forbidden to do so, but it is very difficult. In order for you to succeed in writing about your organization, you in essence need to forget everything you know about it, everything on its website or in press releases, and only write based on the content of independent sources that have chosen on their own to write about it. Most people in your position have great difficulty doing that. Press releases, brief mentions, routine announcements, staff interviews, or other primary sources do not establish notability. If you truly feel that you can write such an article, you may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft article for review by an independent editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia.
As the president of the organization, you will need to comply with the paid editing policy and formally declare that status. You don't have to be paid in cash money; unpaid volunteer positions count. 331dot (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Nick Moyes Those letters and numbers(501c3) refer to a provision in the United States tax code that allows for nonprofit organizations to pay reduced taxes. 331dot (talk) 23:25, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Ah, OK. Thanks. I guessed something like that, though it's a reflection that everyone in America thinks Wikipedia is written by Americans for Americans, and that everyone will naturally know what they're on about. (You know, I do think this Covid lockdown lark is turning me into a real grumpy old man!) Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Nick, keep in mind us folks on this side of the pond likely wouldn't know what an NGO is either. Viva la difference¡ John from Idegon (talk) 08:45, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, you can keep the French out of it, John! Sacrebleu! Good point - although I had always thought NGO was a worldwide term - is it not? I guess that demonstrates the inherent parochialism we all bring to this platform. I'd better collect my P45 and go fill in my UB40 now. 73s! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Gustav Klimt[edit]

1- Who were Klimt's friends?

2- What did the painting "Death and Life" look like in his inner-circle?

3- What commonalities/ differences are there between the kinds of symbols/ techniques they worked with (Klimt and his friends?

4- When did that painting (Death and Life) see its first large audience?

5- How did Klimt's work (in general) finally gain an audience?

6- How now has he been linked to the "Golden Age" of Austrian art and design? (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Are you setting us your homework to do? This is a forum to help people edit Wikipedia, not to do their work for them. I find Wikipedia a great source of information, so suggest you not only read the article on Gustav Klimt, but follow the many references at the bottom of the page, as these often reveal a lot more than is the article. Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:08, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

It is not homework, I am doing a comparative study since I am a visual arts students, I've already read the Wikipedia page about Klimt and of course many other sources, I've tried to reach curators to ask them directly but they simply don't answer, these are the questions that I haven't found an answer to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilysequeira (talkcontribs) 23:11, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, Emilysequeira, I'm sorry you haven't found the answers you need. You certainly won't find them here at this forum for the simple reason I explained above. Are there not specialised arts fora you could enquire at? I suspect that many art curators around the world (certainly here in the UK) have been furloughed and are not responding to emails, or are busy trying to get their institution covid-19 secure. You could try the arts subsection of our own WP:REFDESK, where someone might have a stab at giving you an answer. I am, however, surprised you say you couldn't find the answer to Question 4. It took me all of 45 seconds to follow links from Wikipedia to find out. Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thank you and really there is no need for passive aggressiveness, bye! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilysequeira (talkcontribs) 00:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

An editor telling you they were easily able to find an answer to your question is not passive aggressiveness, it's active aggressiveness. David notMD (talk) 02:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
It's also helpfulness! I was simply pointing out that the answer is there for you to find, and all you needed to do is go look for it. I'm certainly not going to provide an answer to a University student as I believe they should have already got the skillset to investigate and research for themselves, or learn to develop it. I gave up telling my kids where the Easter eggs were hidden when they reached 12.[sarcasm]. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
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Draft ready for publication[edit]

Dear fellow Wikipedians, My draft for "Alphabetical List of Districts of India", placed under User: Anupamdutta73/Gen A is ready for publication.
Please note this is a simple list and a subset of "List of districts in India." Adding links will only rob the table of its simplicity... Thank you dear reviewers in advance..... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 06:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Convenience link: User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020.   Maproom (talk) 08:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Maproom, Is it really necessary ? I had finally managed to finally finish the article.. With slow net connection it is very very difficult to work with such tables with so much data.... So please please tell me it is absolutely needed. Thanks & cheers .... Anupam Dutta (talk) 13:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Dear @Maproom, I have shifted the article as you had requested.. I still want to know was it necessary..... Thanks in advance Anupam Dutta (talk) 12:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Putting aside the question of whether a mysterious "it" was necessary, I see an enormous table of figures, and a sum of zero (0) sources cited for these figures. Exactly where do the figures come from? -- Hoary (talk) 12:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Hoary, The article started with the reason and source of all the data... Anupam Dutta (talk) 12:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

The article starts by promising "data of all the 739 Districts as per the List of districts of India arranged alphabetically (updated till June, 2020)", but that article seems to have data from 2011 and earlier (as I sleepily skimread it). -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Hoary, Now you have made progress, though small.... Actually In India, Census is taken in the year XXX1. Last census was on 2011 and next one will be in 2021 (if everything goes all right). So 2011 population ( and related data) are the most accurate and verifiable.... Hope my explanation clear all your doubts..... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 13:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Anupamdutta73. Firstly thanks for reaching out here. Secondly, I think this is definitely a lot of effort in getting this data written up on this article. I am sure as you say, this might not have been easy - particularly with slow internet connections, as your rightly note.
The question that I think Hoary has for you is - what is the source for this data? E.g. Did you end up digitizing some existing physical record, printed manual etc? Alternately, did you refer to a website of some form to generate this table? Noting of this source will be important as with all articles on Wikipedia. Good luck. Kaisertalk (talk) 05:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Kaisertalk, My article is a subpage of a main article... This is the list of 739 Districts arranged together.... The main article has the list state/Union Territory wise... Anupam Dutta (talk) 05:32, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


Draft:Rasulpur (village) — Preceding unsigned comment added by VIJAYSINH RANA 542 (talkcontribs) 07:50, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

VIJAYSINH RANA 542 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What help is it that you want? 331dot (talk) 07:54, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The article I created has been moved to Draft. So help me. VIJAYSINH RANA 542 (talk)

Hello, VIJAYSINH RANA 542. Mccapra moved it to draft because it lacks sources: Wikipedia articles should always be sourced, so that a reader has a way of checking the information. Add some reliable sources (for all the information), and you can submit it for review. --ColinFine (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

My RfA (Request for Advice)[edit]

What is the purpose of the "External links" section at the bottom of articles. In other words, what do I put in User:Chicdat/sandbox#External links? Thanks sooooooooo much, 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Chicdat: See WP:EL. In the case of the article you're working on, if you weren't already citing the Bureau of Meteorology page on Cyclone Owen, I'd recommend that (but you are, so don't put it in the external links).
You do not have to have external links in an article. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. 🐔 Chicdat ChickenDatabase 10:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Two user names/accounts?[edit]


I am not sure if I have two user ID's or accounts. WaleedAhmadAddas and wajaddas -- are they the same one account? Also is this subject visible in the public domain or is it a personal support question seen by Wikipedia only? thanks WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 11:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @WaleedAhmadAddas: It appears that is an account called wajaddas registered, as well as the account you are currently using (WaleedAhmadAddas). These are two separate accounts. Usually editors will use only one account, as using more than one account can be against Wikipedia's policies. You can read more about this here: WP:SOCK. This noticeboard is publicly visible. --Jack Frost (talk) 12:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello WaleedAhmadAddas and welcome to the Teahouse! User:WaleedAhmadAddas and User:Wajaddas are two different user accounts. If both are yours, please stop using one of them, in general editors should only use one account, more at WP:SOCKLEGIT.
Anyone on the internet who knows where this page is can see it. The same goes for any WP talkpages etc you find, including WP:Userspace drafts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for this tip. Can I delete one of them as both are mine? I thought they were one and the same (merged)!WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 13:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

WaleedAhmadAddas, no, can't be done, but you can of course delete the text from the user/usertalk page. Try to forget the password of the other one and don't use it anymore. If you want, you can write something like "I have previously used the User:Wajaddas username" on your userpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Done, pls confirm.WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 13:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

WaleedAhmadAddas Well, you mean to keep this account, right? So I meant put it at User:WaleedAhmadAddas. Just click that redlink, write and publish. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I have kept the WaleedAhmadAddas and as suggested will forget the wajaddas (also I deleted the text under wajaddas and wrote the sentence suggested by you)WaleedAhmadAddas (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@WaleedAhmadAddas: Actually, you put that declaration of your other username at User:Wajaddas. It should, instead, be at User:WaleedAhmadAddas. Please also see WP:INDENT regarding talk page indenting. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WaleedAhmadAddas (talkcontribs) 17:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


what is the most popular brand of bread in south africa Bdetfehigj (talk) 11:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

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Requesting an article[edit]

Hello, What are the steps to requesting an article on a topic where I have a conflict of interest? I followed Wikipedia's advice on its Requested Articles page and have found a general topic and sub-topic Wikipedia:Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Visual arts but I'm not sure what steps to take from here. If the proposed topic is about a notable art gallery, do I add the name and sources via Edit Source in alphabetical order and then {{request edit}}? Thank you! GALAMAC (talk) 12:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Symbol move vote.svg To create an article, follow these steps:

  1. Read Your first article carefully.
  2. If you don't have an account, consider creating one (it's not essential, but it makes some things easier, especially communicating with other editors) and logging in.
  3. Learn the basics of editing with the Wikipedia:Tutorial
  4. Make sure the subject is notable enough to warrant a stand-alone article
  5. Gather reliable sources to cite in the article
  6. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box and clicking 'Search'
  7. Use the Article Wizard to create a draft.
  8. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines. Base the article on what the references say, rather than on what you know.
  9. Once you believe that your draft meets Wikipedia's requirements, submit it for review by picking the "Submit your draft for review" button in the draft.
  10. Be aware that many drafts are not accepted the first time, or even the second time they are submitted for review, for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are particularly likely not to be accepted, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones.
This process includes when you have a conflict of interest to the article subject. You will need to make sure to disclose your conflict of interest to the article subject as well. You can see more how to do that here: WP:DISCLOSE. Good luck, --Jack Frost (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

A request to edit or creat an artcle in wikipedia[edit]

Firstly thank you for leaving a msg in my Talkspace Manith Dulnim I would like to request from you to make an article, a biography about which I was creating and was rejected. It's about me cuz I'm a famous and a public figure in Sri Lanka and a musician. Always many people are texting and calling me asking about my details, life and many more matters all the time and they also asked why my details are not in Wikipedia. so for the wellbeing and for the sake of the community, people and all the fans and other interested people, I would like to request you for making the Wikipedia article about myself. If you are eligible and need the price referring for making the article...pls contact me via wiki or any other social media network (Redacted)  Manith Dulnim (talk) 13:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:H.N.Manith Dulnim was declined, with reasons given. Your Youtube, Twitter and Instagram are not acceptable references. Teahouse is NOT a place to try to find an editor to pay to attempt to create an article about you. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Manith Dulnim: The people that ask you why you are not on Wikipedia have a common misunderstanding of its purpose. Wikipedia is not a social media platform where people can post profiles and information about themselves. It is an encyclopedia, like Encyclopædia Britannica, which discusses what reliable sources have written about various subjects. Please see WP:NOTSOCIAL and the other sections of that page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @David notMD and Manith Dulnim: It is emphatically not the case that Youtube and Twitter in general are not acceptable references although many specific items from those sites are not.
WP:YT says: While there is no blanket ban on linking to YouTube or other user-submitted video sites, the links must abide by the guidelines on this page. ... Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections, and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked, either in the article or in citations. Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis.
News videos uploaded via official channels, for example, are normally acceptable sources. WP:ABOUTSELF is often relevant.
However, the sizable majority of any article should be based on professionally published, independent, reliable sources, and that at least several of these should include significant coverage of the topic. Self-published content will not help establish notability. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


 Ganjijaikanth (talk) 15:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Note to hosts: Ganjijaikanth failed to add their question here, but later added one to their talk page addressed to the Teahouse. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Machinexa (talk) 06:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
What are you doing my friend— Preceding unsigned comment added by Machinexa (talkcontribs) 06:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Machinexa were you trying to add your own section, or attempting to reply to the editor who started this discussion? Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello Ganjijaikanth, the subject of your draft needs to meet the notability guidelines at either WP:GNG, or failing that, WP:ENT, before the draft can become an article. You need to demonstrate that the requirements are met, using reliable sources to support the claims in the draft. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

This page was from gajnikant topic was hi with no content as I remember. I just replied the hi to him. Machinexa (talk) 06:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Search Engine Results[edit]

Hello All,

I have a question regarding Search Engine indexing / results of some of the articles. Specifically, my question is about Ravi Venkatesan, who is a leading Indian Business Executive (Co-chairman Infosys, former chairman of Microsoft India, amongst other positions).I have a strange situation, where Google links the Wikipage on the knowledge panel on the RHS. But, the article doesn't come up in the search results. I am wondering if this is something at my end. Please can someone help me with this one.

Thanks. Kaisertalk (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Kaisertalk (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Kaisertalk. I'm quite surprised the Knowledge Panel actually contains a functional link to the page on Ravi Venkatesan that you created on 9 April 2020. The page hasn't passed through New Page Patrol yet, which normally means articles aren't allowed to get indexed by Google. But once they remain unreviewed for (I think) 90 days, Google then indexes them anyway. So, doing nothing, I suspect Google will be allowed to index and present the page in search results pretty soon. Does that make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 16:33, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Thanks Nick Moyes for this note. I am now in a conflicted state. Someone has now moved the article to a draft page. I absolutely agree that if this is the right thing to do - we should do that, and leave it in this state until it is moved by an Admin to the main space. However, someone has now declined saying that it doesn't meet the guidelines for Notability with not 'enough' independent sources. I would like some assistance in identifying 'enough' independent sources. The only reason I say this is that as a Business Executive, I have no doubt that someone who is the Chairman of the board of some of the leading companies in India (Infosys, Bank of Baroda, and formerly Cummins, and Microsoft India) should qualify as notable. If I am doing something wrong in identifying these independent sources, please let me know. For now, I have some leading newspaper articles, citations from foundations such as the Rockefeller foundation etc. But, will definitely work on your guidance.
@Nick Moyes: Pardon an addition in my note. I added a request for additional details / guidance on how best to remedy this note, and I received a one line reply "Not Interested". Link here. Appreciate any guidance that you can help with.
[Edit Conflict] Hi, Kaisertalk. You appear to have created the article directly in Article Space on 9th April, 6 days less than 90 days ago, and it has not yet been reviewed by the New Page Patrol.
As I understand it, when an article is first created as a Draft, a Reviewer carries out a review (naturally) on request, and if it meets Wikipedia's standards, moves it to Article space, which means it's marked as accessible to the webcrawlers of Google and other search engines. However, if it's created directly in Article space, it is not made visible to Google, etc., until either it's reviewed and passed by the NPP or after it's been in Article space for 90 days, whichever comes sooner. This is to ensure that articles which do not (yet) meet Wikipedia's standards are not searchable.
Since neither condition yet applies to this article, Google shouldn't be able to include it in search results. However, it may be that Google's knowledge panel was somehow able to find and use data from the article anyway.
Shortly, the article will reach the 90-day threshold, after which Google's webcrawlers will be able to see it on their next pass (Wikipedia has no control over when that will be). It may be that this exchange prompts a New Page Patrol review even before that happens, in which case they will either mark it as reviewed, or possibly move it to Draft status if they don't think it meets the required standards. (Not being a reviewer myself, I can't make a judgement on whether it does, but I think it may be borderline.) {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 16:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@ if anyone outside of the company knew how Google's search indexing worked, they would be a millionaire or even billionaire very quickly. It's largely opaque, for obvious reasons. I do know that the other day I created an article, and then I went searching for further sourcing. The new article then appeared in the google results, in less than a minute! However, I am autopatrolled, meaning my new articles aren't manually reviewed. I have the sense, and this is of course speculation, that Google is indexing Wikipedia very, very often. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:03, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Thanks much. Agree with your comments.
Subjects of Google knowledge panels can claim ownership of them, so it might be that the subject here has done so and manually added a link to the Wikipedia article. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:31, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Cordless Larry: - Thanks for your note. I think I figured out the reasoning. It came in from a backlink to an existing page. The article has quite a few backlinks. Kaisertalk (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft not reflecting changes made in sandbox[edit]

Hello! I am working on AFC on the subject K C Pandey which is in my sandbox & waiting for review but it was moved to Draft as subject name. All the changes I have made in sandbox is not reflecting in Draft. Please advice what am I supposed to do Thanks, Shekhar in (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Shekhar in (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Shekhar in and welcome to the Teahouse. You apparently started the draft at User:Shekhar in/sandbox/K C Pandey and moved it to Draft:K. C. Pandey which is a perfectly suitable place for it. You seem to have created a different version of this same draft at User:Shekhar in, which is not an acceptable location. It is a bad idea to have two versions o0f the same article at once in Wikipedia (with a few very limited excepotsuions which do not apply here). I strongly advise you to copy any information from User:Shekhar in to Draft:K. C. Pandey that you want in the draft, and then to blank the user page, and consider rewriting it.
There is no automated mechanism to copy edits from one page to another.
Your main user page, User:Shekhar in, should be a description of you, not of anyone else, but it should be a description of you as a Wikipedia editor, not in general. It may include such things as: articles or other pages worked on, to-do lists for Wikipedia, helpful links for Wikipedia editing, brief biographical content, lists of your skills and interests which may be relevant to Wikipedia editing, views on Wikipedia policies and philosophy, freely licensed images, brief quotes, and other content relates to Wikipedia. See our policy on user pages for more detail. It should not look like a Wikipedia article, not be used as a place to draft an article, see WP:FAKEARTICLE. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh I must add, Shekhar in, that as it currently stands, Draft:K. C. Pandey would not be accepted if submited for reveiw. It needs more cited reliable and independent sources, in my view, and does not (yet) demonstrate the WP:notability of Pandey. See WP:NPROF for details on the notability of academics. Also the version at User:Shekhar in has far too many external links -- I suspect some of these should be used as cited sources. See our policy on external links, but in general an external link should be to a site that offers useful information relevsnt to the topic, but which would not be appropriate for inclusion in the article, perhaps because of size. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Kind guidance is much appretiated. I will do all possible as adviced. Regards, Shekhar in (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible to use pictures that have been uploaded to another language section of Wikipedia in English Wikipedia?[edit]

Is it possible to use pictures that have been uploaded to another language section of Wikipedia in English Wikipedia? Sextus Caedicius (talk) 16:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Edit: the picture in this article is the one I want to use, thanks in advance!

Hello, Caedicius and welcome to the Teahouse.
Not without downloading them from the other Wikipedia, and then uploading back to en.,Wikipedia. That is the good thing about uploading to commons: images (and other files) on commons may be used on any edition o0f Wikipedia, and any other Wikimedia project. Also note that the rules and standards for images, like other things, may be different on different editions of Wikipedia. Just because an image was accepted elsewhere does not mean i9t is acceptable on en.Wikipedia -- the same checks must be run as it it was a new upload. That is another good thing about commons, an image acceptable there should be acceptable on all projects. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Sextus Caedicius: Are you sure the image that you want to use is actually on the local language Wikipedia, and not on Commons? If you could link to the article and tell us which image it is, we can better comment on the status. Is it maybe az:Çeçenlərin və inquşların deportasiyası or ka:ჩეჩნებისა და ინგუშების დეპორტაცია? Both have many images that reside on Commons, and so may be easily used on this wiki if they are suitable additions to the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
It appears the image in question is on Commons here. John from Idegon (talk) 19:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Genetics Discussion For Castes In South Asia[edit]

Hi Guys,

I am a new user to Wikipedia and recently added some information about a South Asian caste/ethnic group (Gujjars) with valid sources and references, however, another user has stated to me that WT:INB does not allow the discussion of genetics for individual castes which does not make sense to me, furthermore on WT:INB I did not find any discussion saying it is not allowed to add genetic information for individual castes. This article is within the scope of WT:INB as well as WikiProject Pakistan where the discussion of genetic information is allowed on articles. If there is a rule in Wikipedia that says such discussions are not allowed then I will remove the post otherwise if there is not then Wikipedia has to take some responsibility and acknowledge that they are suppressing the freedom of information which is the right of every human being.

My question is why are we not allowed to talk about genetics for individual castes as long as it is well referenced and without bias?

Talk Gujjar Page: Talk:Gurjar#Genetics

India WikiBoard: Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics

The user who stated genetics discussion is not allowed: User:Sitush


We do not do genetics in articles about individual castes. This has been discussed at WT:INB. Donnyexcellence (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I was a bit gruff with you, sorry. Was trying to do too much on too many articles. There are past discussions listed using this search for the noticeboard I mentioned (WT:INB), which is the central noticeboard for the Wikipedia India Project. - Sitush (talk) 18:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Sitush: if there is a Wikipedia policy that articles should not mention genetic information on individual castes, please provide an actual link to it. If you can't provide a link, you should withdraw your claim that there is such a policy. Maproom (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
you should withdraw your claim that there is such a policy Maybe I'm blind but I see no claim that there is a policy. That there is such a consensus is made pretty clear in this discussion from last year, for instance. --bonadea contributions talk 19:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, Bonadea. What's more, it is a consensus derived from discussions that include some contributors who have a pretty extensive knowledge of the caste topic area. I've no idea what you have been looking at, Maproom, but it doesn't appear to be anything I've said. - Sitush (talk) 19:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
What I would like to add is that this article is also part of the Pakistan Board and they have made no such objection to the discussion of genetics. If this article was solely an Indian Board article then I would understand however it is not. I think it is not fair for one board to have so much of an influence on certain articles. Again, please provide some evidence where board discussion decisions have to be fully implemented on all articles relating to India? Donnyexcellence (talk) 20:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
The Pakistan noticeboard/project is barely active, certainly by comparison with the India noticeboard/project. Since all of these genetics studies tend to be delving into deep history, when it was all India/before Pakistan even existed, I think the chances of a rational counter-argument from the Pakistan project are fairly slim. Have you actually read the discussions? Can you see what the issues are in relation to using such sources? All of the tribes of Pakistan will experience the same problems. - Sitush (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Think we are getting side tracked now. I read the discussion one of the main points was that the genetic studies are always changing but this is not really an issue more like an excuse. Again please give evidence where every single article relating to India on Wikipedia has to abdide by the 'rules' set by the India Wiki Board members. If you don't know then please don't say, we don't need to know what you think about what the Pakistan board will say. When they reply, they will reply and if you look at other articles e.g. Burusho People they have a genetics section on the page. Donnyexcellence (talk) 21:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:CONSENSUS. Given how familiar you are with formatting, projects etc, I should imagine you already know of it . - Sitush (talk) 21:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Donnyexcellence: No such thing as "rules being set by members of the India Board" exists. Discussions are open to all interested parties, many of whom are editors with a great deal of experience. As a user who just showed up yesterday, creating Draft:Genetics Of Gujjars after being advised of that consensus by Sitush at Talk:Gurjar#Genetics, bringing it here, and having it clarified by others, to me seems somewhere between a waste of time and disruptive. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Damn you guys sure responded fast to the article which I proposed (Genetics of Gujjars) , Wiki was saying it would take approximately 6 weeks to be reviewed, but you guys reviewed it overnight. Seems like there is an another agenda behind this. BJP IT Cell hard at work, well done guys! For anyone wondering think about it, why are they trying so hard to surpress this information in India about various castes genetics, its because they are trying to push this OIT (Out Of India Theory) which is garbage and they know it. Every single caste in India is unique and they are all different from eachother, but the Indian government is trying to push this 'We are all Indians' agenda. In the end the truth will prevail!!!! Donnyexcellence (talk) 08:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I would be surprised if anyone contributing to this thread or the draft review, other than you and me, even knows what you mean by BJP IT Cell and Out of India Theory. Your opinion that there is some sort of political shenanigans going on also does not align with the edit histories of those experienced contributors who commented in the WT:INB discussions mentioned above. - Sitush (talk) 08:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
hame ajadi miligee ! btw im Gujjar from Rajasthan where we are discrimintated by the Indian government !Donnyexcellence (talk) 08:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs. Bishonen | tålk 10:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC).
I apologise to Sitush. He did not claim that there was a Wikipedia policy on discussion of genetics for individual castes. (I formed that mistaken impression from reading the OP's posting with insufficient care). But there is a Wikipedia policy that discourages the use of primary sources, such as the research paper that the OP wanted to cite. Maproom (talk) 17:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

How to create new Categories[edit]

How to create new Categories like , etc. I want to create categories wikipedian with Instagram profile Zebuready (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Zebuready. That seems like an incredibly specific and not hugely sensible category. If anything, I'd have though Category: Wikipedians with social media accounts would be more logical. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
The how-to is at the help page that you linked in your own question. In short, just go to the address and create the page. Look at other similar categories for guidance on how to format it and what to include. The category will be populated when it's added to at least one userpage. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Zebuready: You can place {{User Instagram}} on your user page. It's listed at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Internet/Websites. Users with the userbox can be seen by clicking "What links here" under "Tools" in the left pane. A category sounds inappropriate per "Categories that are overly narrow in scope" at Wikipedia:User categories#Inappropriate types of user categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Someone undid my correction[edit]

For the "Roy Buchanan" article it mistakenly said that Jeff Beck's album Blow by Blow (1975) came after Buchanon's A Street called Straight (1976) I made a small correction and have now been informed that someone undid my correction. My question is why? (talk) 18:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

The only two edits this IP has made are the OP here and this one, which seems to be an incomplete and unexplained removal of content. Please provide a link to the edit in question so we can answer your question. John from Idegon (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
You removed sourced content: [1]. Another editor thought that was vandalism. Next step is to discuss your proposed change on the artcile's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 18:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing pages created by others[edit]

Hello I want to request an edit to Unchain My Heart (album) page.

I noticed on that page that under == Production == it states

Mixed by Chris Lord-Alge at Unique Recording (New York, NY).

I would like to edit it to read

Mixed by Chris Lord-Alge at Unique Recording Studios(New York, NY).

Please adviseJoanne.nathan (talk) 19:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC) Joanne.nathan (talk) 19:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Joanne.nathan, and welcome to the Teahouse. No article in Wikipedia is owned or controlled by anybody in particular, and in general anybody may edit any article. If the change you want to make might be controversial, it is a good idea to discuss it on the article's talk page first; but for an obvious improvement like your suggestion (assuming that it links to the correct "Unique Recording Studios"!) you might as well go ahead and make the edit. Make sure you leave an edit summary explaining what you did. See BRD for the general principle. --ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, -ColinFine Thank for the quick reply. The example I gave above has been deemed as a COI by others. Please see my talk page. I would like to request that another user make the edit. Also It was mentioned that could make a request on the talk page for the article, but since I am a novice wanted to get the correct procedure. When I go to the Unchain My Heart (album) page, I can't seen to find how to do the request?Joanne.nathan (talk) 22:57, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Joanne.nathan. Sorry, I did not check. You can post a request at Talk:Unchain My Heart (album). Given its appearance here, it is likely that somebody will notice it anyway, but in general, you can attach the template {{edit request}}, and that will put it on a list of witing requests. See WP:Edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 08:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I've made the change, although that article on Unique Recording Studios could use some work. Turner Street (talk) 13:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking to check notability of a potential article subject[edit]

I aim to write an article about a Canadian politician, but I need to know if he is considered "notable" enough to be in an article. Weirdedit99 (talk) 20:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Weirdedit99. Please start by reading the notability guideline for politicians. Unelected political candidates are seldom notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Names of people for hire who create wikipedia articles[edit]

Please provide a few reputable names of people who are for hire to create Wikipedia pages who meet the Wikipedia requirement of paid contributors? Pilotmichael (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Pilotmichael I'm afraid that you will have find such people on your own; Wikipedia does not maintain a list of paid editors, reputable or otherwise. This is primarily a volunteer project. I would strongly advise you that, if you find one out on the internet somewhere, that you not hand over any money until you see the result. Also be advised that despite what a paid editor might tell you, no result can be guaranteed(such as writing an article that will not be deleted). 331dot (talk) 23:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Pilotmichael: Please also consider that an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing (see that link for details). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Also consider that, since most people claiming to do that kind of thing do so in violation of our Terms of Service, and often not very competently, a hired-gun "article" about your subject may actually poison the well and damage the chances of a good article eventually being created by an impartial editor with no conflict of interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Question about a citation I saw and if it's correct[edit]

I'm relatively new to wikipedia editing and I noticed something strange when reading the Great Chicago Fire article. Throughout the article citation #1 is used multiple times and often has a colon then a number after the citation (e.g. [1]:148). Since the citation is a book I'm assuming the number is the page the citation is referencing. Is this the right way to do it? I know the citation template (Template:Cite book) for books has a thing for page numbers but is this method valid? I doubt it since i've never seen it done like this but I just wanted to double check since I'm a rookie. Thanks! MaxGame5o (talk) 00:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@MaxGame5o: hello and wlecome to the Teahouse. The template I use for page numbers, which is also the one used in the Great Chicago Fire article, is template:rp. It's useful when you already have ref tags but want to add the page number. In wikicode this would give you page 144 of the source:
<ref> source content</ref>{{rp|144}}
As the template says, this is a "relatively uncommon method", so others may have advice. Hope that helps. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: Thanks, that was very helpful. I just wanted to make sure it was a legit citation method and not put there by mistake since I never saw it before. Good thing I asked before changing it!— Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxGame5o (talkcontribs)
@MaxGame5o: Yes, it's valid. The alternative (Harvard cites using {{Sfn}}) is substantially more difficult and error-prone. The first instance using the scheme you've mentioned looks like <ref name="RefName">...</ref>{{Rp|10–12}}. Cites to other pages in the same source can be done with just {{R|RefName|p=22}}. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing with COI[edit]


I need some help with a draft to make sure that I'm doing it the right way, Please check GSS message here and my reply to understand the case, and my declaration on my user page and the draft talk page. Just want to make sure that I'm using the right templates, Also is that correct to remove UPE tag now from the draft page. Finally, I need to submit if through articles for creation, how can i do so in case there's no submission button yet. Thanks in advance for your help. JoyGenea (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC) JoyGenea (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi JoyGenea. I added Template:AFC draft to the top of the draft. Just click on the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button when think its ready for an AFC reviewer to look at. As for the UPE template, I've gone ahead and removed it; however, if you're being compensated to create the article, then I would suggest you use the template Template:Connected contributor (paid) (instead of Template:Connected contributor) on the draft's talk page and Template:Paid (instead of Template:UserboxCOI) on your user page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Marchjuly, Appreciate your help, it will be more accurate to replace the templates according to your suggestion. Thanks once again! -- JoyGenea (talk) 03:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with my first article[edit]

Good day to all. I was working on a new article, which is a biography, you can check my sandbox Kingintelectual, but I encountered problem during sign up and was blocked by admins. One of the reasons cited, among others, was that I was promotional. I have promised not to repeat such again. However, this article is something I researched myself, I have the full write up already. Please I will appreciate if you experienced editors and seasoned admins can take a look at the article and offer advice. Thanks Kingintelectual (talk) 05:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Link for convenience:User:Kingintelectual/sandbox, seems it's already moved to Kanu Ikechukwu Anthony by Kingintelectual.- Timbaaa -> ping me 05:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree that there are so many things wrong with this article that the proposed deletion should be allowed to go forward, meaning that it will be deleted in a week. New editors are advised to submit drafts to Articles for creation rather than directly moving their draft from sandbox to mainspace, which is what you did. If the article was closer to being valid in content, tone and referencing, the alternative would be to move it to draft status, to allow you to work on it. A better path for you might be to save the content off-site, work on it, and submit to AfC as a new draft. David notMD (talk) 12:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Sentences such as "His Igwebuike philosophy is one that is ground breaking, thoroughly applicable, existentially reasonable, and pragmatically influential considering contemporary emergence of discourses in African philosophy." (unreferenced) have no place in an article about him. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

The "Proposed deletion" tag has been removed, so Kanu Ikechukwu Anthony exists as an article. Other tags have been added. David notMD (talk) 17:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Why Was My Article Declined?[edit]

My draft article - Draft:Moaning_(band) was declined. I have left the following message on the talk page of the article (the reviewer directed me to leave a message on the talk page of the draft article and referred me to the Teahouse in the event I wanted to contest a rejection):

I do not understand why you declined my submission. As far as I can see, it definitely meets Criterion 1 of musical notability - sources include a well-known newspaper and arguably one of national record (the Los Angeles Times) and well-known sources that meet the reliability criteria as specified in the "Wikipedia: Reliable sources" page. Albeit most of the sources could be considered primary but they satisfy the criteria laid out in the aforementioned page for primary sources. Please let me know either how exactly you disagree with the assertion I've just put forth or let me know how to get to the point of this article's publication on Wikipedia at your earliest convenience. Thank you.

Please let me know how exactly I can go about rectifying whatever deficiencies exist in the draft article. I am convinced the subject of the article deserves to have an article.

Thanks! Rossmoody88 (talk) 05:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Rossmoody88, the reviewer said to rework the draft as necessary, make your case at the talk page if necessary, and resubmit. It is unlikely that anyone has seen your note at the draft's talk page since you have not resubmitted. It seems to me the case you are making is that the band meets WP:GNG; if you have nothing to add to the draft, having asserted which criterion you are shooting for, you could simply resubmit. Consider adding to your talk page note, a list of your WP:THREE best sources (no more), for evaluation. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


Just a quick question, how do I do the coordinates of locations, just confusing to me. Neararena (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Neararena: Generally, by using the {{Coord}} template. The specifics depend on, well, the specifics. Can you provide some details? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:34, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: What do you mean the specifics, I'm confused? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neararena (talkcontribs) 06:40, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Neararena: Where are you trying to add co-ordinates (which article)? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Neararena, context matters. Are you trying to identify the location of a grave or monument, or a large building, or a park, or a city, or a county or province? Specific questions get more accurate and reliable answers. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Neararena: One trick that I often use when I'm confused how to do stuff is to find a page that does it properly. I then copy the relevant bit of source code into my sandbox and play with it there until I get it working, before adding it to a live page. Obviously, unless you tell us more, we can't help you further without writing you a full manual. Please be a little clearer (more specific) about precisely which step you have got confused at, and what you're atcually trying to achieve. Links to articles help. Maybe you don't know how to get lat and long from Google maps; maybe you do't know how to convert one format to another; maybe you don't know how to define the coordinates of a linear feature like a river; maybe you've read the documentation and looked at working pages and still don't understand how to deploy the {{Coord}}; maybe you've coordinates in OSGB and want to use those, maybe you want to insert a map into an infobox. The more specific you are, the less time we spend telling you stuff you do already understand, or simply don't need. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

No move option[edit]

Hi, I was trying to edit page. The title of the page has got a typo. His name is Mullakkara Retnakaran. What can i do to edit the title of the page? There is no move option in my interface Penformat (talk) 07:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I've moved it for you. Maproom (talk) 07:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

West London College is a former college getting mixed up with the current West London College on Google[edit]

Dear TeaHouse,

Currently if you search for West London College on google it places the actual Wikipaedia page beneath the website search result and confuses another West London College on the right hand side of the web page. Google has mixed up the two colleges so that the logo of the current one and its website address is mixed in with the Wikipaedia link for the old one that no longer exists.

The correct website is and the college is called West London College (formerly known as Ealing, Hammersmith and West London College) The correct Wikipaedia page is:,_Hammersmith_and_West_London_College However this has the old name of Ealing, Hammersmith and West London College, which we changed a couple of years ago to West London College.

The incorrect Wkipaedia page coming up is: This is a completely unrelated organisation, which just happens to have the same name.

If I edit the name on our wikipaedia page to West London College, will this solve the problem?

I look forward to hearing from you. 2A00:23C7:6B8A:4800:C159:EA59:9520:2598 (talk) 08:15, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello. There are two separate issues. The first one is to do with the names. You cannot "edit" the name of a page - it is done by moving the article, but we cannot have two articles with the same name, and in any case only registered accounts can move pages. In this case, I suspect that the best approach would be to rename the existing article to someting like West London College (1977), and yours to West London College; but that will require an administrator in any case. The thing to do is to request the move at WP:requested moves.
The second issue is Google: if the articles are moved as suggested, it is likely that Google will sort it out, but we have no control over how long that may take. If Google doesn't get it correct you'll need to contact Google, not Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 08:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I have done two moves and a redirect. We now have the disambiguation page: West London College; then there are West London College (1977-2017), and West London College (further and higher education). How long it will take Google to notice any of that, I cannot say. Hope this helps. --Orange Mike | Talk

Wiki Commons App "Nearby places needs a photo"[edit]

Hi guys

I post 2 types of photos to wikicommons photos using the app. First is photos I take of places I like and think they may be useful to others. Second nearby places that I am NOT interested in but wiki says it needs a photo.

In this latter case the blue upside down teardrop (map marker) turns to green and only shows if the "needs photo" box is unchecked. It has been very rewarding to do this. But suddenly it has stopped working. My most recent photos (since about the beginning of June) do not alter the "needs photo" status and the teardrop remains blue.

I like doing these photos, a new hobby, but not so much that I have to take time and in some cases petrol money to photograph a milepost or a bridge for no real reason other than wiki wants one.

Example :

Can anyone explain what may have happened. Should I stop doing these types of photos. Should I just go back to posting photos that are useful but not linked to a specific wiki requirement.

Many thanks Peter Peter Glyn (talk) 08:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Peter Glyn: Someone who happens to be familiar with the topic may answer you here, but each Wikimedia project is a separate entity, with its own help facilities. You'll get a better-targeted audience for your question at c:Commons:Help desk. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1 Thank you. I have now done as you suggest. Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Glyn (talkcontribs) 12:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Regarding translating articles I don't have access to the sources for[edit]

I would like to translate ja:人見次郎 (台湾総督府総務長官)Jirō Hitomi.

He is definitely notable, he held high office under the Governor-General of Korea and even higher office under the Governor-General of Taiwan.

He was Director-General / Civilian Administrator (台湾総督府総務長官). This was basically "Vice Governor-General".[1]

Note that I'm not asking help to find the sources, I haven't tried. I want to know in general, if I see a well sourced article to print sources on e.g. Japanese Wikipedia, or Spanish Wikipedia, the two languages I know well that are likely to have untranslated articles, do I translate it, cites and all, even without checking that the information is in the cites? Do I note this on talk page? Or should such articles not be translated? Psiĥedelisto (talkcontribs) please always ping! 08:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


  1. ^ Civil Affairs Handbook: Taiwan (Formosa): June 15, 1944. Office of the Chief of Naval Operations, United States Navy. 1944. p. 72. ISBN 9781258569914.
Like the vast majority of articles in ja:WP, ja:人見次郎 (台湾総督府総務長官) is poorly sourced. There's a list of reference materials, parts of which may or may not back up the assertions in the article; but as for clearly specified references for particular assertions, almost nothing. -- Hoary (talk) 13:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Psihedelisto: To answer your question more generally, I don't know that there is a consensus about translating without checking sources. I personally think that it is fine (with the caveat below about taking extra care to avoid copyright violations from foreign-language sources). If I rewrite a sentence in en.wikipedia, I don't check the source unless my rewriting means that I need to check in order to confirm that what I'm writing accurately reflects the source. I often use the same approach for translations, relying on the person who originally wrote the article to have looked at the soruces. Sometimes though, a sentence in another language has a range of meanings in English, and you'd need to go back to the original source to choose among those meanings when you write in English. So that's my approach at least. I will say, like Hoary noted, that other Wikipedias generally do a much worse job of sourcing than the English Wikipedia. Finally, one important note: If sources are available to be checked, it may be a good idea to check them for the purpose of avoiding copyright violations, and also to run the article you're thinking of translating through (though this can find reverse copyright violations, especially for older articles). I've found that a frightening number of Spanish Wikipedia articles are copy/pasted (or inappropriately closely paraphrased) from the sources cited, or from sources not cited. There is nothing more demoralizing than doing a translation, and then having to delete it. And it also really sucks when translated copyright violations are introduced, because it's not easy to sort them out from good content. (Not like you can just paste into Google to check.) So that can be another reason to check sources. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Psiĥedelisto: Piggybacking off above: as someone who translates from Japanese and Chinese, I personally think that it's much better to have a shorter article than an incorrect one, so if I can't verify a source, I don't add that sentence in. From my experience, Japanese Wikipedia suffers heavily from poor citations. If you need help verifying something in Chinese, feel free to leave a message in my talk page.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

colin Richardson speedway rider changing of photo[edit]

how can i change the photo in my profile ? (talk) 09:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC), Wikipedia doesnt have "profiles", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles about subjects that satisfy WP:GNG or a more specific notability guideline. If you want to chang the photo, please go to Wikipedia:Files for upload and request the File to be uploaded first. Then you can go to the article talkpage and discuss the replacement with the other editors. Please be advised that there is a possibility that the photo will not be changed. Nobody "owns" a Wikipedia article, so you may find it difficult. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Also, be aware that you may have a photo of you that you want in the article, but the copyright to that photo belongs to the photographer, not the person in the photo. The photographer would need to be the person submitting the photo, which would include giving up copyright ownership, so that anyone could use the photo, anywhere. David notMD (talk) 12:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


can you get a request to edit any article without getting permission?? Bdetfehigj (talk) 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bdetfehigj: You dont need a "permission" to edit any article on Wikipedia, yust do it. The page history will record your change. Sometimes, articles may be protected. In this case, you can make an edit request to the articles talkpage. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Protect page[edit]

can anyone help me to tell that , how to lock an article and protect from other editor who don't know how to edit. Bijoyonline30 (talk) 09:41, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bijoyonline30 and welcome to the Teahouse! I can't see any edit disputes in your recent editing history so I don't know what page you would want to protect. That said, page protection should be used to reduce vandalism, not to stop inexperienced editors from editing the page. If you disagree with what someone is doing, assume good faith, and leave a message on their talk page to try to resolve the issue. Page protection is a last resort against vandalism and is almost certainly not going to be used to try to prevent one user from editing an article. Giraffer (munch) 09:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Giraffer, thanks for your reply. This is really helpful. Once again thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoyonline30 (talkcontribs) 10:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation page vs new article[edit]

Hello, we are working with a group of scientists on a new article on genetic resources. Currently, there is only a disambiguation page with this name. We'd like to propose to rename that page into 'genetic resources - list' and create an article entitled 'genetic resources' with a definition, history etc. Is this a good approach? Anything we should do before we proceed with this change? Thank you, Ewa hermanowicz (talk) 10:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ewa hermanowicz, and welcome to the Teahouse. My advice would be not to worry about the disambiguation page, but to create your new article as a draft using the articles for creation process. When you submit it for review, and a reviewer accepts it, they will handle the issues of naming, existing disambiguation pages etc. Please be aware that writing a new article is one of the most difficult activities in editing Wikipedia, and writing for Wikipedia is different from most academic writing, in several important ways. I suggest looking at your first article, and at Expert editors before you start. --ColinFine (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ewa hermanowicz: Further to what Colin has said, can I ask if you are speaking with a Royal we? You do write as if you represent a group or body which is helping some scientists. If so, be advised that we only allow one individual person to use one account; each contributing person must have their own account. If you are involved in this work, and especially if you are employed/being paid to create this page, you will all need to read and follow this page about Conflicts of Interest, and this obligatory policy on declaring paid editing. This won't stop you editing, or count against you, but transparency is always needed here. Good luck with the draft article. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello Ewa hermanowicz, welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for asking. My gut reaction is that it's probably better to find a different name for your article, is it possible there is some overlap with your intended topic and Genetics or one of the many related articles? However, this is not my area. You may have useful input if you ask this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Molecular Biology. Also, since you say "we", see WP:NOSHARE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ewa hermanowicz: And I'll chip in again to say that, having done a quick Google Translate of your draft at User:Ewa hermanowicz/sandbox, you do seem to be focused solely on forestry genetic resources, so the title you're thinking of doesn't sound specific enough to me. But that can wait. And, at the moment, your draft looks more like a university essay paper. So make sure you focus on a clearly notable topic that either stands alone, or acts as a page related to a larger topic, such as Genetic diversity. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello Nick Moyes,Gråbergs Gråa Sång and ColinFine. Thank you so much for your prompt response and advice. I can definitely confirm that everyone in the group has their own account and we are not getting paid to write the new article. There is no overlap with the Genetics article which is referring to scientific discipline rather than material in the case of Genetic resources. The article is not in my sandbox but that of Theo in case you want to have a look. Any further advice is welcome.Ewa hermanowicz (talk) 11:34, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy for the curious: User:TheOhAgain/sandbox David notMD (talk) 12:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Having read the entire sandbox twice, I'm still wondering what it's meant to be about. It starts by defining the term "genetic resources". That's a task for a dictionary, not an encyclopedia. It defines it "genetic material of actual or potential value where genetic material means any material of plant, animal, microbial or other origin containing functional units of heredity". So that would be physical stuff containing DNA, or possibly RNA or even protein; and computer records (of DNA etc.) sequences, and maybe of their epigenetic state, right? Later it explains that the material can be from animals, forests, plants or microbes. That seems weird - what do you find in forests that isn't in animals, plants or microbes? We also read "Genetic resources is one of the three levels of biodiversity". Is a computer database of DNA sequences a level of biodiversity? If it is, it needs explaining. Maproom (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

User name found red coloured regarding[edit]

My user name's colour shows red ? Did I do anything wrong ? Thanks. Helppublic (talk) 10:33, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Helppublic: welcome to the Teahouse. No, you have not done anything wrong. The "redlink" simply means that the link leads to an empty page. If you create a userpage, the link will turn blue, but that is not mandatory. If you do decide to create a userpage, please have a quick look at this information. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Helppublic, absolutely not. It's red because you haven't created your WP:USERPAGE. To do that, click the red link, write something and publish. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
User:Helppublic now blue. Just delete what I wrote there and replace with your own content. David notMD (talk) 12:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


How do I put a Strikethough on one of my edits (which I don't want to delete)? Thanks Devokewater (talk) 10:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Devokewater. You can place <s>...</s> around the text. It's one of the options under "Wiki markup" in the edit tools most users have below the edit area. Don't use it in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Devokewater You do it like this: I think Devoke Water is a horrible lovely place to visit. You can manually put the on-off commands around the words you want to strike out , or you can use the toobar in the editor you're using. In WP:Source Editor, highlight the words, then click the 'A' cymbal symbol for style text, then 'More' to select the formatting you want. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Nick Moyes + PrimeHunter I needed to use it for a Wikipedia:Articles for deletion edit. Devokewater (talk) 10:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Correction entry "Anna Magdalena Bach"[edit]

Please, can somebody please eliminate misleading information in the entry "Anna Magdalena Bach"? At present unreliable sources are quoted (references 4,5,6). Check the entry Anna Magdalena Bach in the German Wikipedia! I am sorry to say that I didn´t manage the editing properly myself. Yours Magnus Kihlbom Magnuskihl (talk) 11:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not obvious to me that these sources aren't reliable. If they are indeed unreliable, you are welcome to argue this in Talk:Anna Magdalena Bach, and to get agreement for removing them. Asking people to read de:Anna Magdalena Bach won't be persuasive, but asking them to read it in order to observe such-and-such may be persuasive. -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


how do I add pictures that matches with the article Bdetfehigj (talk) 11:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Bdetfehigj, if you have taken the photograph yourself, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, following the steps at Commons:Project:First steps. You can add the image following the steps at Help:Pictures. You can also look through Wikimedia Commons for images to use; everything there can be used here.
If it's not your photograph, its a bit more complicated. Generally, they aren't allowed. If you think the image use meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, then I'd recommend going through Wikipedia:Files for upload, which handles the process. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 12:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Beginning of an article[edit]

how do i make my own articles

@Bdetfehigj: You can use the Article wizard. Before you start, you might want to read WP:YFA beforehand to spped things up. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
As explained in Help:Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Bdetfehigj: Please take the time to read and become familiar with the links posted for you at your "user talk page" (User talk:Bdetfehigj#Welcome!). Remember that Wikipedia is supposed of service to humanity, and editors here contribute toward that end. Any contributions should be made with the aim of improving the encyclopedia for its readers and other editors. Creating an article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do, taking many hours to days of work to do well, and requiring a fair amount of experience and knowledge of finding notable topics about which to write, finding independent and reliable sources, citing those sources, carefully editing for spelling, grammar, and tone, formatting per the Manual of Style, etc. Most people need at least a few months and hundreds of edits to existing articles to learn these things well enough to be able to write an article that will be accepted. Please do consider finding existing articles to improve to help you on that journey. You may also find this interactive game-like tutorial useful. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Studio parameter of the album's infobox (Template:Infobox album#studio)[edit]

Is the studio parameter of the album's infobox Wikipedia definition only for recording studios where a record was recorded, and not where it was overdubbed and/or mixed? "If the album was recorded in a recording studio, enter the name and location." (Template:Infobox album#studio). It does not say to include anything other than a studio in which the album was recorded. The Wikipdia page Audio mixing (recorded music) states "Before the introduction of multitrack recording, all sounds and effects that were to be part of a record were mixed at one time during a live performance. If the recorded mix wasn't satisfactory, or if one musician made a mistake, the selection had to be performed over until the desired balance and performance was obtained. With the introduction of multi-track recording, the production of a modern recording changed into one that generally involves three stages: recording, overdubbing, and mixing." Since the 1970's, record albums have been recorded in three stages: recording, overdubbing, and mixing. It was common practice to record an album in one studio, overdub in another studio and mixed in another. I would argue for the listing of every recording studio that was used in the making of the song or album. Please weigh in here. Joanne.nathan (talk) 11:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Joanne.nathan (talk) 12:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Joanne.nathan: I'd recommend starting a discussion at Template talk:Infobox album, perhaps leaving notifications of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional sound production. People here probably don't have an answer to these very specific questions, and this isn't the best place to hold a discussion like that. Good luck! Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Advice please for creating a Redirect[edit]

Good day. I submitted a draft article (Edinburgh Festival Voluntary Guides Association) and this has now been accepted for publication. I now want to create a Redirect to this article from EFVGA. So I created a new draft (Draft:EFVGA) containing only the following:

#REDIRECT [[Edinburgh Festival Voluntary Guides Association]]

I submitted this new page for publication. But I then saw a message saying that the page was unacceptable because it did not contain any citations.

So, my questions: (i) Did I follow the correct procedure? and if so (ii) What citations can I insert in a Redirect page?

Thanks in advance. Mike Marchmont (talk) 12:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Mike Marchmont:! There are a few issues here:
  • You actually did not submit Draft:EFVGA for submission.
  • The draft creation process isn't supposed to be used for redirects; instead, you should use Wikipedia:Article wizard/version1/Redirect.
  • I created EFVGA as a redirect for you, so that is taken care of.
  • The tag about needing more citations at the top of Edinburgh Festival Voluntary Guides Association (I think that's the "message" you're talking about) is on the main article and is not on the redirect. These tags can be added even after a draft article is approved. I'd encourage you to add more citations to the article to improve it. Hope this clarifies things! Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Calliopejen1:. Many thanks for your reply and help. Greatly appreciated. Could I just pick up the various points you made:

  • You actually did not submit Draft:EFVGA for submission.
  • The draft creation process isn't supposed to be used for redirects; instead, you should use Wikipedia:Article wizard/version1/Redirect.
Yes, I see that now. But when I (mistakenly) used the New Article Wizard, it explicitly gave me an option to create a Redirect page. This was obviously wrong. But not to worry; I'll know for another time.
  • I created EFVGA as a redirect for you, so that is taken care of.
Excellent. Thanks.
  • The tag about needing more citations at the top of Edinburgh Festival Voluntary Guides Association (I think that's the "message" you're talking about) is on the main article and is not on the redirect. These tags can be added even after a draft article is approved. I'd encourage you to add more citations to the article to improve it. Hope this clarifies things!
I understand what you are saying, but I am sure that the tag in question was at the top of the redirect page (after I tried to submit it). I know about the one at the top of the article itself. The one on the redirect page said that the article wouldn't be approved because it has no citations at all - not because it has insufficient citations.
Anyroad, I'm happy with the result, and will know better another time.

Mike Marchmont (talk) 15:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont: Odd. No one has edited the redirect draft other than you.[2] All's well that ends well though? Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

As you say, @Calliopejen1:, it's odd. Another of the WikiMysteries that I am coming across. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

User boxes[edit]


Can anyone tell me how to make a userbox please? Thank you! 😊😊 Narges.127 (talk) 12:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Narges.127, You look at the <<Help : Sandbox>> page... Alternatively look at the user pages of the great Wikipedians.. Yo will get great, no super-great ideas.... Anupam Dutta (talk) 13:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Narges.127. You should find a fair bit of guidance by reading Wikipedia:Userboxes. There are lots already pre-made, but you can create your own, too. I notice on your userpage that you've expressed how really, really bored you are. You wait 'til you're older - you'll never be bored, but the downside is that you will be old! You must appreciate that this is a serious project to create and enhance an amazing worldwide encyclopaedia on notable topics, and not a place to mess about. So do take care, as those who clearly aren't here to contribute do have a habit of mysteriously disappearing. Regards from the UK (where my daughter also loves kpop), Nick Moyes (talk) 13:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

July 6th 2020[edit]

Hello, I just recently made an edit to the bad news bears. It it ok to not cite a reliable source? If not, then where do you cite it? Thanks! :-) ILoveCocomelon (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC) ILoveCocomelon (talk) 12:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ILoveCocomelon and welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia requires you to cite a reliable source when you add information. (You do not need to cite a source if you are re-wording or formatting something.) To cite a source, click the 'Cite' button at the top of the page. If your source is a website, copy and paste the URL in the box that appears. Then click generate, wait a couple seconds and then click insert. This will work if your source is a website. If your source is not a website, you will need to insert it manually. For more info on citing sources, see WP:CITE. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 13:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@ILoveCocomelon: It's worth saying that if you are adding a small changes, but are being reverted, it's usually because another editor disagrees with your change. You then need to prove you are doing the right thing. If, say, its a minor spelling difference of a name, you would then be expected to cite a source to demonstrate you are right (or discuss the issue with the other editor). We want to avoid continual back and forth changes because two sets of people believe they are right. By way of example, I recently had to give an editing block to a good faith edit for a short period of time for constantly adding correct information that was being challenged and reverted by other editors. Instead of giving edit summaries and adding citations to show they were right, they simply carried on regardless, editing numerous articles in exactly the same unclear way. It was impossible for anyone else to get inside the editor's mind to know that they were adding correct info. Even though correct, their actions were clearly disruptive to the project. But after a polite exchange of words and an explanation of the problem, they undertook to ensure their edits were properly sourced and explained in future. They were quickly unblocked and the project has benefited from their better factual input. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@ILoveCocomelon and Giraffer: Note that the automated citation generation tools, such as the one Giraffer is suggesting above (there are others) often give output that is not fully accurate. One should always check the output and correct it as needed. In particular, dates are often not picked up, and the name of the publisher o0r the publication is often incorrectly stuffed into the title of the source. Author info is often not picked up, or is incorrect. All these must be corrected manually.
There are also tools for generating citations for books from ISBNs, and journal articles from DOIs and other identifiers.
Also, it is not corect to say that Wikipedia requires you to cite a reliable source when you add information. Direct quotes must always be cited inline, as must negative or controversial information about a living person. Any content that is highly unusual, controversial, or has been or is likely to be challenged, should be cited to a reliable source. Uncontroversial facts need not be cited unless they are challenged, although adding such cites is a good idea even when not strictly required. See you don't need to cit4e that the sky is blue. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone help me[edit]

Is BookMyShow liable source as a reference for new article ??? Bijoyonline30 (talk) 13:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bijoyonline30. No, a ticket agency (just like a bookseller) simply reuses promotional information that the show or book has given them. It only serves to Verify that the show actually exists, but it does nothing to demonstrate Notability - which is the key criterion if you're trying to create a new article. Similarly, user reviews on these sites are also not acceptable sources, whereas published reviews by news media outlets with proper editorial control are. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey Nick Moyes , thanks for your reply. I have another question. Is Google knowledge pannel is a liable source as a reference for new article ???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoyonline30 (talkcontribs) 13:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Bijoyonline30: No, Google's knowledge panel is not a reliable source (liable has a different meaning) since it is not verified, fact-checked, or even created by humans directly – it simply gathers data from other sources (including Wikipedia) automatically, often incorrectly. Please see those links for more information. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me which news source is liable for Odisha State in India ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoyonline30 (talkcontribs) 06:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Bijoyonline30. What you should be looking for are the things described in Wikipedia:Reliable sources (please note it's "reliable" source, not "liable" source). Generally, a reliable source is something which is considered to have a failry strong reputation of editorial oversight (i.e. multiple persons are involved fact checking and verifying the content the source publishes). In general, major newspapers, magazines, book publishers, TV stations, etc. often have in-house staff which check the content being published to make sure it's not anything which is going to lead to serious problems for the publisher. This doesn't mean that mistakes are never made, but it does mean that more of an effort tends to be made to try and avoid such mistakes than perhaps in the case of a less established source. Since you appear to be trying to source content related to India, perhaps you should try asking for help at WT:INDIA. Maybe one of the members of that WikiProject can help you find the sources you need. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. It is really helpful — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoyonline30 (talkcontribs)

Is IMDb reliable source for new article ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoyonline30 (talkcontribs) 10:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bijoyonline30 This should help you Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and no, IMDb is not a reliable source. good day :) Red Pen (talk) 10:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you . This is really hepful — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bijoyonline30 (talkcontribs) 08:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

July 6th 2020[edit]

What do you do when you see a typo and you try to fix it, but when you cite a reliable source there is none because the the same typo is on every movie website ILoveCocomelon (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC) ILoveCocomelon (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@ILoveCocomelon: what do you mean "every movie website"? Do you mean the same error is on every Wikipedia page about those movies, or the error is on every external website you come across? If the latter, you have to live with it and cite the sources. It would help if you were to link to examples of what you're talking about. (There's no need to start a new thread each time (see two above this one) - just edit the reply and ask follow-up questions. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
ILC wants to change the name of an actor at The Bad News Bears but has not yet found a reference with the spelling ILC believes is correct. David notMD (talk) 13:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@ILoveCocomelon: Please use a concise and descriptive "Subject/headline" for posts on talk pages. It should not duplicate existing sections on the page (as you did here). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Google search result wiki profile incorrect[edit]

rajeev satav is presently member of parliament but during google search wiki shows him as former member of parliament. (talk) 13:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Welcome. If you believe Wikipedia is wrong, you can edit the page on Rajiv Satav yourself, giving a citation to demonstrate any information that someone else might dispute. Or you can leave a note on the article talk page for another editor to pick up and change (see Talk:Rajiv Satav). If Google is out of date, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it from here. You can report major errors directly to Google via their Feedback button. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)



I would like to know how to change the picture of hannibal in the article

the picture is not accurate as it is a statue of a man of european decent when hannibal was an african man. many articles online have pictures that are more suitable and I would like to know how i can change the picture Khrysvic (talk) 14:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Khrysvic: Most pictures online are copyrighted (not freely licensed) and therefore not suitable for Wikipedia. I'd recommend looking for a picture you prefer at (Wikipedia's media repository), then starting a discussion about the image at Talk:Hannibal. Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


Hannibal was probably of Canaanite (Semitic) descent, rather than European or African. See the first paragraph of Hannibal#Background_and_early_career.   Maproom (talk) 15:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hannibal was born in Carthage and Carthage was in African, therefore he was African. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talkcontribs) 18:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

That is true in a sense Khrysvic, but that does not mean that he was of what we now call "African" or "Negro" ethnicity or appearance. I don't think any of the statutes of him now known were created during his life. In any case classical statutes often showed an idealized rather than a realistic version of the subject. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

hmm, it is like saying even though Gengis Khan was born in Asia, that it does not mean he looks like Asian people. if he was born in Africa to African parents, there is no way he was anything but Black, wouldnt you agree? the amount of paintings depicting him as white are obviously innacurate, just like the picture of Cesare Borgia that is used to depict Jesus as white, when there was no europeans in the middle east.Are we trying to depict accuracy on Wikipedia or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talkcontribs) 18:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Khrysvic: As far as I can remember, Egypt is in Africa, hence most of Egyptians are born in Africa. Are they all, or most of them, 'African' in appearance? --CiaPan (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, however, it is a known fact that the current Egyptians are decents of arab invaders that took over North Africa less than 300 years ago. The original Egyptians were African Looking and the hot weather in those times would not even allow anyone with a lighter skin tone to survive without getting melanoma. so for Hannibal who was born in Carthage (now Tunisia) in 247 BC it is impossible that he looked nothing but African — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talkcontribs) 19:12 6 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Wikipedia attempts to represent what published reliable sources say about any topic. It is certainly true that not all people who live in Africa are Black -- the residents of Egypt come to mind. At this point, further discussion could occur on Talk:Hannibal. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

As mentioned above, the current Egyptians are Arab invaders, and they came way after the era of Pharoahs etc. the african population back then was all black so for Hannibal Born in Africa 247 BC, its impossible that he looked nothing but black and even more impossible that any of the statues or pictures depicting him as white, could be even close to accurate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talkcontribs) 19:12 6 July 2020 (UTC)

'Current Egyptians came way after the era of Pharaohs', you say. So those Egyptians depicted on paintings from Pharaoh's era are all Black - is this correct? --CiaPan (talk) 19:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Carthage was a Phoenician colony, and there is a lot of interesting information in Ancient Carthage about the different peoples who lived there. In any case, please go to Talk:Hannibal to continue this discussion, but you should start by reading the archives of that talk page, where the question has been brought up several times; as you will see, it is not really possible to draw any definite conclusions about Hannibal's genetic heritage or skin colouring. --bonadea contributions talk 19:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Afc decline DollarBoyz[edit]

Guidance required to understand the reason given in Submission feedback of Draft:DollarBoyz

My Submission declined on 6 July 2020 by CNMall41 with following Comment:

  • Only a few mentions and no significant coverage in reliable sources. Also a very negative press article out there. CNMall41 (talk) 04:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


My references are from established newspapers (list given below). I have seen many wiki articles are using and in their references.

Can you please guide me to understand the points of improvement. I am open to add/remove/modify those contents which are not meeting the wiki standards.

Thank you so much. Vsp.manu (talk) 14:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Vsp.manu, Accepted I saw your request. I disagree with the prior reviewer, which is absolutely fine. I chose to submit for re-review on your behalf.
Reviewers are human beings with different opinions. That is quite reasonable. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. I decided to accept yours. Fiddle Faddle 14:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Upload additional photos and edits to Karl Groeger article?[edit]

Hello, I am the second cousin of Karl Groeger. I live in Eugene Oregon. When Karl's mother Frieda died in Chicago in 1975, I received all of her documents including all personal correspondence with Karl Jr prior to his execution. I am having a rather hard time following all of your citation templates etc. Also cannot figure out how to upload two additional photos to this article. Thank you

Intelife13 (talk) 14:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Intelife13 (talk) 14:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Karl Gröger
Hello, Intelife13 and welcome to the Teahouse. You have a conflict of interest in regard to this article, but you have very properly disclosed it on your user page and on Talk:Karl Gröger, so that should not be a problem. If you are making any possibly controversial edit, you should consider using {{Request edit}} on the article talk page, to have it reviewed by an uninvolved editor.
As to photos, the problem there is copyright. The copyright in a photo is normally owned by the photographer. If these were family photos taken by a family member, you or another family member may have inherited the copyright and be able to release them under a free license and thus upload them to Wikimedia Commons using the commons upload wizard. If they were taken by someone else, such as a professional photographer, that person or thst person's heir(s) will own the copyright, unless the picture has fallen into the public domain (which is possible but not strongly likely, depending on the details). Finding the copyright owner and getting a release may be impossible or very hard. In that case Wikipedia can only use the pictures under a claim of fair use. That means that all of the criteria must be satisfied. It is in my view not unlikely that such an image would qualify, but the details will matter a lot. If you wish we can start a conversation on your talk page or on Talk:Karl Gröger, to discuss further if these photos can be uploaded and used.
As to documents such as personal correspondence, unless they have been published by a reliable source, Wikipedia cannot use them, nor can they be cited as sources in a Wikipedia article. It might be that a historian writing about your cousin would be interested, or that Yad Vashem would be interested. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello respond to your concerns, I did review the upload wizard guidelines. The photos I am attempting to upload fall into two acceptable categories 1. Taken by a family member. 2. " Photos of a certain age" These are from WWII and I believe are in the public domain. I hope that satisfies Wiki requirements.

Intelife13 (talk) 16:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Intelife13: You're entering one of the hardest areas of Wikipedia editing.... Image copyright for old family photos is dreadfully complicated. Re: "photos of a certain age", have these photos ever been published and if so when/where? Most photos taken in World War II actually are copyrighted, believe it or not. There are some limited exceptions though I doubt they would apply for your photos. Re: "taken by a family member", which family member? Are they living or dead? If dead, what year did they die? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Intelife13 I am not an admin on commons. You can ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright if these photos would be conSIDERD public domain under us law. But unpublished works are generally protected until 70 years after the death of the author (photographer) or 120 years after creation when the author or the author's death date is unknown. There are some exceptions. See this well known chart for key details. If the photographer died in 1949 or before, the photo would be PD. There are more complexities if the work was ever published. The chart covers them. I would be surprised if there was a general acceptance of "Family photos" on commons, regardless of dates. But feel free to upload to commons and see if anyone challenges the images, or (better, IMO) to ask at the link above first. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:02, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

My first Wikipedia article is non compliant. How do I get published?[edit]

Hey folks, happy to have this community to rely on for things like these.

I have recently published my first Wikipedia article, and it's about a company I work for. We are launching cutting-edge AI-powered mental health services. I just wanted to create a page for anyone who might google us, as a general reference.

I don't think my content was that salesy. I also added hyperlinks to Crunchbase and Linkedin, but apparently it wasn't enough.

What should I do to make sure it's published? (talk) 15:40, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP Editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. The above is the only edit from your IP address, so I have no way to know what draft you refer to, or give any specific advice. Please indicate what draft page you refer to, and consider registering for a free account.
As you work for the company, you have a clear conflict of interest, and must edit with particular care, and support your edits with citations to independent and reliable sources. Normally you should use {{request edit}} on the article's talk page, rather than making direct edits. If you are expected to edit the article as part of your job responsibility, or expect to receive any form of compensation for doing so, you are considered to be a paid editor and must declare this before editing further on this topic. If the article is still in a draft under articles for creation you may edit directly, as the text will be reviewed before it becomes an article. Not that no opinions of any sort, positive or negative should be expressed in the text, unless they are quotes, marked as such, and attributed to a named person or source, and supported by a citation. A list of the services or products offered by a company can seem like sales promotion, depending on how it is worded. Details matter here, and there is some judgement needed, so I cannot be more specific without seeing the text. Rewmember that any Wikipedia article should be based primarily on what independent and reliable sources say, not on what a company says about itself. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Afc decline Draft:Wanny Boy[edit]

Submission declined on 5 July 2020 by Calliopejen1 (talk) Draft:Wanny Boy

My submission declined on 5 July 2020 by Calliopejen1 (talk) without any highlighed comment Draft:Wanny Boy. I am not able to see some specific comment.

My references are from established newspapers (list given below). I have seen many wiki articles are using and in their references.

Can you please guide me to understand the mistakes. I am open to fix/add/remove/modify those contents which are not meeting the wiki standards.

Thank you so much. Vsp.manu (talk) 15:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

The reviewer's comment: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia." One of your references is his website, and in the others, there is only a brief mention - for example, that he attended the gala and had his picture taken with B. I agree that he does not yet meet Wikipedia's definition of notability for people in the music field. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hello, Vsp.manu, and welcome to the Teahouse
  • The E! news article has a one sentence mention of Brown, saying only that he appeared in a picture with a better-known performer.
  • is not an independent source, it is Brown's own site.
  • The sarticel also has only a single brief mention of Brown, as far as I can see.
  • The says only Once inside the party, Beyonce and Jay Z kindly took a minute for a photo with child star Dawan “Wanny Boy” Brown who looked pretty chuffed to get individual photos with the power couple. (whioch seems to be about the same picvtue mentioned by E!) nothing more.
  • The article again has only a single sentence, apparently about the same picture.
To qualify a topic as notable, there generally need to be multiple independent published reliable sources each of which discusses the topic in some detail. Passing mentions or trivial coverage do not help at all, no matter how many of them are found. Nor do directory entries or fan pages. Detailed independent coverege is needed. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Whistle-bower Article Deleted[edit] I tried to post an article on the whistleblower page. Can I ask why this may have been deleted? Karenwhistleblower (talk) 16:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Karenwhistleblower: The article history shows why your edit was undone, namely "Burgess' does not appear to be a "major" whistleblower case. Also, many details are not corroborated by the cited sources." If you disagree, you can start a discussion at Talk:List of whistleblowers. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:27, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Karenwhistleblower: As the editor who reverted your edits, you can see that I had already started a discussion at Talk:List of whistleblowers regarding the list's inclusion criteria before I noticed the FAQ at the top of that talk page that indicates that the What about X...? question was already decided at this RFC (request for comments) wherein it was decided that whistleblowers whose whistleblowing event is already the subject of a Wikipedia article should be included. Karen Burgess' event does not meet these criteria, and so should not be included in the list. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


Adding to semi protected pages

How do I edit tell me a protected pages if I am a new user? Warden385 (talk) 16:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Warden385: Wikipedia:Edit requests explains the procedure to follow. You can't edit the page directly, but you can request that someone else edit it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

What Is Sock Puppet?[edit]

 Sauidward (talk) 16:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Sauidward: See Wikipedia:Sock puppetry for an explanation. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Alphabetical List of Districts of India now ready for publication[edit]

Dear fellow Wikipedians, The article is placed under " User : Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020" and is ready for publication... Please do the needful..... Cheers...... Anupam Dutta (talk) 16:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Anupam Dutta (talk) 16:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020 does not appear to have been submitted to AfC or bypassing AfC, made an article. If submitted to AfC, then decision rests with a reviewer, not with the volunteers who help out here at Teahouse. David notMD (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @David, How do I place it to AfC.... please help... Thanks...... Anupam Dutta (talk) 12:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Article decline - support with next steps[edit]


Need a support with a decline on this article. draft:Ravi Venkatesan.

Firstly, I understand that there are an inordinate number of requests similar to mine that this team would be getting on a daily basis. But, that said - please allow me to state some facts.


1. Industry: The person under question is a seasoned senior industry veteran in the Indian market. He has been the Co-Chairman of the Board of Infosys ltd (one of the largest Indian technology services firm), CEO / Chairman of Microsoft India, Chairman of the Board of Bank of Baroda (one of the largest Public Sector Banks in India - top 5 in the country by market capitilization), and Chairman of Cummins ltd. All of these by themselves make him an Industry leader of repute.

2. Government: In addition, he is currently driving the efforts of the Government task force for revival of MSME (micro, small, and medium enterprises), particularly in response to the COVID19 pandemic impact on these enterprises.

3. Venture Capital: He is also a venture capitalist with two leading early stage investment funds, contributing in part to the VC led funding boom that is currently being seen in India.

All of the points above satisfy the notability elements of the question.

Significant Coverage / Reliable Sources

Sources / coverage have spanned the following types of mediums.

1. Newspapers - Prominent Indian newspapers - e.g. Indian Express, Livemint, Economic Times

2. Citations from NGOs - e.g. Rockefeller Foundation

3. Links to Opinion articles / books - e.g. Economic Times, Amazon.

Regarding a statement in the templatized note that has been provided, the coverage in #1, #2, and #3 above are more than passing mentions.

Next Steps

Require assistance from this group on the specific edits that are required before this article can be approved. While appreciation of geographic context is not necessarily required for realizing that this person qualifies as a subject of interest, I am happy to add any additional context required. Kaisertalk (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Kaisertalk, Accepted I saw your request. I disagree with the prior reviewer, which is absolutely fine. I chose to submit for re-review on your behalf.
Reviewers are human beings with different opinions. That is quite reasonable. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. I decided to accept yours. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1: Many thanks. Much appreciated. Kaisertalk (talk) 16:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Published Edits not Saving[edit]

Hello, we are making edits on the Zanker Recycling Wikipedia page but not of the edits are saving, yet it says "changes saved" after we click "published edits". What can we do to make sure our edits are being published? We work on the marketing team for Zanker Recycling and we need to update our information. Zankerrecycling wiki (talk) 17:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Zankerrecycling. Your edits have indeed been saved to Zanker Recycling. Thus thy are as "published" as any Wikipedia article.
However some of them have been reverted.
Moreover, as a marketign employee, yuou are considered a paid editor. You must make the appropraite declaration before editing the article further. Moreover, your user name is improper. Wikipedia accoutns must be for indivciduals, not companies or5 groups, and must not imply othreewise, and promotional editing is not acceptable under any name. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
This user= has been blocked indefinitely for username violation and promotional editing. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Four different editors reverted content as promotional. the article is woefully under-referenced, and now, nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this correct?[edit]

"Tilden was, and remains, the only candidate in American history who lost a presidential election despite receiving a majority (not just a plurality) of the popular vote. After a first count of votes, Tilden won 184 electoral votes to Hayes' 165, with 20 votes unresolved." What about Hillary Clinton 2016? == (talk) 17:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The Teahouse is for answering questions about how to edit Wikipedia, not for general factual questions. The Wikipedia reference Desk addresses those. However, I believe that Clinton, like soem other US presidential candidates, got a plurality but not a majority of the popular vote. (There were some third-party candidates.) DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Clinton got 48% of the vote in 2016, not a majority. RudolfRed (talk) 17:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Juliet Nalukenge[edit]

Juliet Nalukenge is a Female Ugandan Football Player at Kawempe Muslim School Women's Football Club and the Crested Cranes.

@Kimcephas: Welcome to the teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone help me?[edit]

My page was started long ago, by who I don't know. I could use some help now in editing my page to bring it up to date. I tried to do it myself, but I was immediately blocked. I tried writing an admin for help but got no reply.

Here's my name (also the name of my page): Jeffrey Skinner (poet)

Can anyone help update for me? I'd rather not learn a complex bunch of stuff to do this myself; if I have to I'll probably leave it as is. But it would be nice if someone could help. Thanks. Jtskin01 (talk) 19:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jtskin01: There's a lot to unpack in your question. I'll start with the first issue I see. Maybe we can deal with that, and then address your question a bit later. I don't see any evidence of you being blocked, or trying to write an admin for help. Do you have another account other than User:Jtskin01? Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I presume that Jtskin01 means his edit was reverted, which it was, because the information added was unsourced. Jeffrey, if you'd like to set out changes or additions (with accompanying references) to the article, the best thing to do is to follow the instructions at WP:COIREQ to do so on its talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Jtskin01 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would correct you in that it is not your Wikipedia page, but a Wikipedia article about you. You don't have any special rights to it as the subject, but your input is welcome. You can visit Talk:Jeffrey Skinner(there is no "poet" in the article title) and offer your suggestions for improvements on the article talk page. To increase the chances that other editors will see your comments(aside from the editors that might follow that article), you can make your suggestions as a formal edit request, but it's not mandatory.
Your edit history indicates no edits to any user talk pages such as that of an administrator; perhaps you sent an email, but most users prefer to conduct Wikipedia business on Wikipedia. I don't see any indication that your have ever been blocked, either. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hello, Jeffrey. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have got the wrong idea about Wikipedia: the article Jeffrey Skinner is Wikipedia's article about you, not "your page", and it is not up to you to update it. Having said that, Wikipedia likes its articles to be factual according to the sources, and you are welcome to suggest edits on the article's talk page; but an editor is unlikely to carry out those suggestions unless they are supported by reliable published sources. In fact, the article is lacking citations to sources independent of you - Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says, or wants to say, about themselves, only in what people unconnected with them have chosen to publihs about them, so the most valuable thing you could do would be to provide citations of a couple of places where that has happened. At present the article does not establish that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and unless suitable sources are added, it is likely to get deleted. See WP:AUTOPROB for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Christian Delton Kacher[edit]

Is there's a way to submit this draft for review, I'm not the creator but it happens to meet drafts with the same situation and don't know how to submit it through AFC. Thanks (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

This was created as an article by a user who has been blocked for undisclosed paid editing; it was then moved to a draft, so that it would go through AFC. Anybody may submit it by inserting {{subst:submit}} (with the double curly brackets) at the top. There are a lot of references that are clearly not both substantial and independent, but I haven't bothered to toil through them to see if there are actually some which will establish notability. --ColinFine (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Ida Silverman[edit]

 2601:199:C300:9CF0:CC80:3F7D:873E:365C (talk) 20:49, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, can I help you with anything? Do you have trouble making an account? -TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
[I have wikilinked the query title as a courtesy for those interested. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 08:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC)]

Sidebar's Journal Impact Factor needs updating -- cannot see how to access that area[edit]

The "Publication Details" in the box to the right of this page needs the Impact Factor updated (I have updated it in the text of the main body of the article today):

Many thanks. Negarc (talk) 20:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Negarc. You'll see it as a paramter of the {{infobox journal}}, if you pick "Edit" at the top of the page. It seems odd to me that we should accept a piece of marketing information from the publisher's website, and not require an independent source for it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

How to create a wikipedia page for the company I work for?[edit]

The company I work for wants to create a Wikipedia page. I am not sure how to create a Wikipedia page for the company I work for. Can I directly create a page for the company I work for? or I need some permission first to create it? Stephanie.ecms (talk) 21:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Stephanie.ecms and welcome to the Teahouse, please have a very close look at these guidelines here Wikipedia:Plain_and_simple_conflict_of_interest_guide and Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies) and the tips you already received at your talk page. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I am confusing that can I create the page for the company I work for. The company I work for is a technical support international Express company with a global cross-border end-to-end delivery capability. We also have like LinkedIn account. Could you advise can I create a page for the company I work for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie.ecms (talkcontribs) 22:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

On your Talk page, Ian put a ten step process for writing about a company if an employee. It is allowed. First step is declaring your paid status on your User page. You can then create a draft and submit it to Articles for Creation, for review. Key is finding published content about the company written by people who have no connection to the company. David notMD (talk) 22:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Stephanie.ecms I worry that the advice above might encourage you. It is technically possible, but please don't try. You will very likely fail. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 23:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

The source like this if they consider as unbiased? Could I use these sources to create an article?,c,1353 When we introduce the company. Can we use this to show we are a qualified shipping vendor for Amazon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie.ecms (talkcontribs) 17:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Which version of English is the norm?[edit]

This is just a quick question, i am Relatively new but on the Typo Team & usually only fix grammatical errors or help clarify convoluted answers. What i wanted to ask is; what is the accepted spelling protocol, should i use American or British English, for example Honor as opposed to Honour ETC & what is the general consensus among the community? Thank you for your time, Knowledge Knowmad (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Knowledge Knowmad, and welcome to the Teahouse. The general consensus, and indeed the stated policy, is that there is no default style of English on Wikipedia. See WP:ENGVAR. Each article should retain the style with which it was initially created, unless a change is determined by local consensus, usually on the article talk page. In general, articels on specifically US topics will use US English, articles on UK topics will use UK English, articles on specifically Indian topics will use Indian English, and so on. Articles that do not have strong ties to any particular country (for example about a topic in mathematics or science) will, use what ever style of English the first contributor chose. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok, thank you DES also if if someone is Deliberately messing up my Edits to stupid words like replacing Steam train with Ice-Cream for example what should i do?  Knowledge Knowmad (talk) 22:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like vandalism although without seeing the actual edit I hesitate to make a definite statement. Any edit clearly intended to introduce inaccuracy or reduce the quality of the encyclopedia is vandalism. When you see vandalism, whether to your own edits or to any article, you should:
  1. Revert or correct it, with a descriptive edit summary.
  2. Warn the editor who committed vandalism. Twinkle makes this easy, but you may place the appropriate warning template manually on the editor's user talk page. ({{uw-vandalism1}} thru {{uw-vandalism4}})
  3. If the vandalism is persistent and recent, or particularly serious and recent, report it at WP:AIV following the instructions on that page. Generally do not report until after a user has been given a 4th-level warning and has persisted in vandalism, but if you think the situation is serious enough to request an admin to take action sooner, you may use your judgement.
I hope this is helpful. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:55, 6 July 2020 (UTC)\

Speedrun cites[edit]

There are at least a few users who think that the referencing for the article Speedrun is very bad. How would you go about improving it? Bear in mind that this topic doesn't always attract mainstream media attention, so the traditional high quality references are hard to come by. One of the references is to a google doc. I'm guessing that's bad practice, and I have some ideas why, but I'd like another opinion. AshSIreland (talk) 22:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello AshSIreland i would be more than happy to Review the article for you and give a second opinion, let me get back to you on it and i will review it in a Few hours or so as my break is almost over at work haha, feel free to send me a message any time you feel the need for a second opinion on a topic, i am always glad to help! Knowledge Knowmad (talk) 22:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi AshSIreland, and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree that some internet culture articles are hard to find citations for, which is why Wikipedia's coverage on memes isn't great either. If you find a bad source, I would suggest looking for a better one yourself, and if you can't find one, tag it with Template:Better source needed so another editor can give it a try.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hondon B Hargrove, Author of Buffalo Soldiers of Italy (Black Author)[edit]

Dear Wikipedia...I am a new user but I would love, love love it if anyone would upload information on this wonderful, intelligent deceased individual.. There is lots of information on him on the internet and I am in contact with his daughter Loretta Gadson. His name is Hondon B Hargrove. Also you may know more than I on what is allowed. <redacted>Pajober (talk) 00:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC) Patti Berger §

Hi Pajober. Please take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Notability (people) for some general information that you might find helpful. Someone having lots of information about them on the Internet might indicate the person is Wikipedia notable, but not in each and every case. The type/quality of coverage received pretty much always matters more than the amount of coverage received. If you think Hargrove meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, you can start a draft about him and submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation when you think it's ready. An AfC reviewer will assess the draft and decide whether it meets Wikipedia's standards for articles. If you're not sure whether Hargrove is Wikipedia notable, perhaps someone at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment can help clarify that for you.
If you've never written a Wikipedia article before, then you might find it a bit harder to do than it seems. There are various policies and guidelines that need to be met and also formatting things that need to be done. You can find some general advice on this in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. You might also want to take the Wikipedia:Adventure to actual see how certain types of edits are made and how certain policies and guidelines are applied.
Finally, if you've been in contact with Hargrove's daughter, please also take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Depending upon the extent of your contact with her, you may have a conflict of interest when it comes to creating an article about her dad. This doesn't mean that you cannot still try to create one, but only that you may have to be extra careful in doing so since editors who have a conflict of interest often have difficulty adhering to relevant policies and guidelines. They often have the best intentions, but their connection to the subject matter sometimes cause them to stray too far outside the lines of what is considered acceptable. You might also want to look at Wikipedia:Ownership of content and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing for reference and perhaps even suggest that Hargrove's daughter take a look at them as well. Some people mistakenly assume that Wikipedia works like a personal website or a social media account where they have complete editorial control of the content contained on the page. Wikipedia is not like that at all and neither the subjects of articles (or their relatives) or the creators of articles have any real final editorial control of article content. Content is assessed on whether it complies with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not whether it makes the subject look good or bad, and disagreements over content are going to be expected to be resolved through Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. In short, Wikipedia articles are written about subjects, not for or on behalf of subjects; so, you might want to make sure that both you and Hargrove's daughter understand before starting a draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


How to remove the "draft:" at the start of the title? YTBirdonWIKI (talk) 00:07, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi YTBirdonWIKI. I think you might be misunderstanding what a Wikipedia article is intended to be. Please take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Help:Your first article for some general ideas. While I believe your intentions are good, none of the drafts you're working on are suitable (at least in this stage in their development) to be upgraded to a Wikipedia article. It looks like you're trying to create dictionary-type entries for certain terms, but that's not really what Wikipedia is intended for as explained in Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Technically, removing the "draft" from a page name is not too complicated to do, but doing so at this time will almost certainly lead to those particular pages being immediately tagged/nominated for deletion. You may, however, continue to work on the drafts if you think you can bring them up to article standards and then submit them to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think they're ready. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@YTBirdonWIKI: You're better off adding any missing info to the Harp seal article in Harp seal#Reproduction and Development. The term "beater" is already there - there's not likely enough for a content fork. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

How to count my non login/ip edits[edit]

Hey editors, I want to know how to count the edits of own IP address which I did without login because this is my new phone. I want to know for learning only while I don't have much edits via IP Contribution of 2405:205:B08B:2FD9:5D9A:A232:A773:66A1 . Kindly guide me how to count them in my user profile. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️) 01:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky: Edits you make while logged out can't be connected to your account. RudolfRed (talk) 01:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
RudolfRed Oh, I thought may be it can. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️) 01:22, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Updating an existing page - Jack Dempsey[edit]

I own an old family photograph of Jack Dempsey with members of my long deceased family preparing to go on a hunting expedition in northern Maine. My long deceased aunt gave me a list of the names of everybody in the photograph when I was a kid. I still have that list, too.

I posted the photo with mention of Dempsey's trips to Maine. I suggested that the trip in my photo was probably around 1924 but unverifiable. I listed the names of everybody in the photo.

It is known that Dempsey came to Maine on several occasions. There was even a dance hall in Moro Plantation with his name.

Anyway, why would my photo be removed?

David Currier David Currier (talk) 02:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi David Currier. You asked about the same thing at Wikipedia:Help desk#Addition to Jack Dempsey page and have received a reply there. I'm not sure there's not really much more that anyone can add to what Arch dude posted, but if there's still something you don't understand you can respond to ask for further clarification in that discussion thread. Generally, when you post something on Wikipedia, it's best to try and keep everything in one place because it keeps discussions from fragmenting and avoids redundancy. All Wikipedia editors are volunteers so sometimes you might not get an immediate response, but generally when you post a question either at the Help Desk or the Teahouse someone will eventually get to it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Submitting a declined article as a stub[edit]

Can I change a failed AfS into a stub? I had an article for a semi-governmental not-for-profit organization declined Draft:Thai-German Institute. This is in support of Wikiproject Thailand. It is difficult to get a sufficient number of references in English and I did a lot of research. I am unfamiliar of how and when to just submit stubs. I have submitted several other articles that may also qualify as stubs but not as articles (I would possibly like to convert those as well). Any assistance I can get with this would be very helpful as I could proactively help clear the article submission queue. As you can see from this actual article, Ministry of Industry (Thailand), the articles are for sub-organizations of that main Thai ministoral organization. Ian Korman (talk) 05:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@IanKorman: the standards for stubs are the same as the standards for articles, so you would still have to establish notability the same way (coverages in reliable sources etc.). If something qualifies as an article it qualifies as a stub and vice versa. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1: Thank you. When does someone submit as a stub versus normal submittal? I was thinking from discussion threads that I saw that a stub was created for an article within a Wikiproject that needs help with quality/sources. Regardless, if I have these articles that need assistance should I just leave them in my own personal draft space and ask for assistance in the appropriate Wikiproject? --Ian Korman (talk) 06:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
You don't need references in English. The references may be in Thai, German, Esperanto or whatever. -- Hoary (talk) 06:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Hoary. I will work on the article from that angle within the WikiProject Thailand. I will do my own research on stubs and when to use them. --Ian Korman (talk) 13:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, an article has to be independently notable and/or important to be placed in the mainstream wiki. If you consider your article as notable, continue editing it until you think you have improved it, than either resubmit it or put it into mainstream wikipedia for it to be reviewed (though I advice you submit it for reviewing from a professional).PNSMurthy (talk) 09:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this considered incivility here on Wikipedia?[edit]

An editor has contacted me off-wiki about his/her issues with a specific user named Howard the Duck. I actually have the same sentiments. I have noticed in the past few months that this user has been aggressive that he resorts to using all caps (aka shouting) in requested move discussions, particularly in here: Talk:MRT_Line_3_(Metro_Manila)#Requested_move_5_May_2020. The reply at support number 3 here in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Philippine Railways sounds like mockery. It's like assuming bad faith on all other editors. Now, user orders to close the Wikiproject Proposal that he did not start. Given the lockdowns still in place in the Philippines, it is possible that some editors might not be able to go online frequently.

Is this considered as incivility? What should we do? HiwilmsTalk 08:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hiwilms, if you believe that the user is breaking WP:CIVIL then you should start by asking on their talk page, if the matter escalates, they ignore your message, etc., then it might be best to go to WP:DISPUTE or even WP:ANI if it has become very serious. If the editor has been making personal attacks, threats or harassment, then I suggest reading WP:DWH and continuing from there. As per the "shouting" in the discussions I can't seem to find them; could you please clarify where they are? As well as that, please ping users if you are talking about them! — Yours, Berrely • TalkContribs 08:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
But to be honest, Howard the Duck is quite a well-known user, and I struggle to understand how he would have made such harsh comments, he is actually quite well known for sorting out discussion rationally... — Yours, Berrely • TalkContribs 08:42, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
A user has already called out his behavior on Support #3 here Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Philippine Railways#Support.
Meanwhile, his is his reply on the RM discussion:

Then LRT-2 was built, then okay, let's use LRT-1, LRT-2 and MRT-3. I still believe these names, or spelling these out are the WP:COMMONNAME for these train lines.... so back to my point. At some point in history, the government used colors to distinguish the train lines. LRT-2 was purple, MRT-3 was yellow, PNR was orange, I forgot what LRT-1 was. (I think I got the colors mixed up. I'm sure though the LRT-2 was the "purple line".) Earlier, they used "Metrostar" and "Megatren" brandings for MRT-3 and LRT-2, respectively. So if I understand that naming these to "Line #" solves the issue of having to rename these lines every time, that's not the case, more to the fact that IT. IS. SIMPLY. NOT. THE. COMMON. NAME. FOR. THESE. LINES. 03:09, Howard the Duck (talk) 8 May 2020 (UTC)

HiwilmsTalk 08:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hiwilms, I'm confused as to how that is breaking civility, it is simply emphasising a point. As for what was said on Support 3, that is definitely not breaking civility, in fact it is an opinion I agree with, creating a WikiProject dedicated to railways in the Philipines would be a bit pointless, considering these sorts of things are usually merged into a central country or transport project. As he said If you think creating Wikiprojects solves things, it won't. You shouldn't be supporting a WikiProject just to solve one problem. As TagaSanPedroAko said, but this should be a subproject of WP:TAMBAY than a standalone. and that should be what happens. I don't see that breaking and civility rules, he is simply expressing his opinion. — Yours, Berrely • TalkContribs 08:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to re-emphasize that this is not the place for behavioral problem complaints. WP:ANI is. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Image copyright tag[edit]

How to add an image copyright tag I have uploaded an image to Wikipedia (not Commons) then added it to the infobox in the article Ruth Clayton. I had determined that the correct copyright tag is {{Non-free biog-pic}}, but I wasn't prompted to add it during the upload process or while inserting the image into the article. Have I missed something? I know this is an important aspect of image use and risks deletion if incorrectly done. What should I do? Many thanks! Ulrich131 (talk) 08:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Ulrich131, simply go to the file page and click on the edit source button, then add the tag under image licensing. There is an option to do this in the file wizard by clicking the "other licenses" button. After taking a look, I see that someone seems to have already added the tag for you. — Yours, Berrely • TalkContribs 08:37, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


I have created over 5 articles that has not been verified or allowed to be at the main space. I would like to ask why this is happening to me. James Moore200 (talk) 09:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, James Moore200 and welcome to the Teahouse! The reasons why your drafts were declined have been left by users on your talk page - I suggest that you read them. In general, it seems that the subjects you were writing about are not notable. This means that there are not enough reliable sources about them to create an article. If you can find more reliable, independent sources on your topics, feel free to add them to the article. For more info on notability, see WP:N. Giraffer (munch) 09:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Creating a page about my Village[edit]

I am trying to create a page about my Village. Shannonvale, Claonkilty, Ireland as no page exists for it but I do not know what steps to take. Any help or advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. AnÚllord (talk) 09:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@AnÚllord: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, i suggest checking this page on how to create an article: Many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 11:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Changes to ILM[edit]

Changes to Industrial Light & Magic Hi i'm trying to edit this particular page I added some titles that weren't in the filmography section, I don't know who this David Tornheim is, he said that i have done disruptive editing to this article which I haven't. Please not I have Autism all i just want to do is just edit the page, add the additional filmography titles which are listed on their IMDB page ZTR2001 (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @ZTR2001: Unfortunately, IMDB is not accepted as a reliable source (as you can see at WP:RSP#IMDb). The content on IMDb is made by random people from all over the internet (just like Wikipedia, which we don't accept as a reliable source either).
It's best to assume that David Tornheim is trying to help, even if there's been some disagreement. If you could find another source that shows that those movies had work from ILM, you could cite that instead. ILM's own website would be appropriate, as would any professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi @ZTR2001: Welcome to the Teahouse, i understand that you have Autism and in fact i also have it ( as you can see from my user-page) but i can see from the edit, that you have removed some sources, maybe its a mistake?. your edit has been reverted by @David Tornheim: because you are not allowed to remove reliable sources without a reason, i think it is possibly a mistake and you did not meen to remove them, so next time please preview your edit before publishing it. Thank you Trains2050 (talk) 10:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Is eMachines eOne importers have made anything else[edit]

According to LGR, Sotec and Daewoo are both importers who created EOne Computers. Is it true that is reliable for this redirects. Tell me if you know and I search it using Google. ACQ322Acuity   (answer me) 10:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Apollo C. Quiboloy fans: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, i can not understand the full question but i suggest asking it on the article talk page. Thanks Trains2050 (talk) 11:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

About archiving data on my talk page[edit]

Hello everyone! I have been trying to make an archive for all the data that is there on my talk page, as it is quite a lot of data and also quite outdated, and also cluttering up the page, and I am concerned about it. I saw on some user's talk page that they have added an archive for the older conversations, I tried to do the same but I am unable to find the exact markup required to make an archive. Please help! :) Red Pen (talk) 10:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Vr parashar: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I personally do not like to archive pages, but this link should help :,there%20are%20no%20leading%20zeros. Thanks Trains2050 (talk) 10:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Trains2050: Thanks for the fast reply! As I see, many users indeed have not archived even very large talk pages, so I guess for now, I wont be archiving my talk page as it actually does not have so much data, nevertheless thanks a lot for your help! :) Red Pen (talk) 10:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Vr parashar: This is totally up to you, but if you want a bot to archive your talk page for you, take a look at User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. Just slap some code at the top of your talk page, and a bot will come by every so often to archive your talk page so it doesn't get so hefty. You can also define how large an archive is as well as how many sections you want to keep in your talk page. Keep in mind though that it archives a section at a time, and so far you've got 4 sections only.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: I am highly elated to find a definite solution to my problem! :D Thanks a lot and yes, for now I have reduced my talk page content but surely I will use your suggested solution in order to keep the talk page organised in future :) Thanks again and have a good day! Red Pen (talk) 14:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Trains2050: Please try to use internal links (Wikilinks) when possible. For example, the link given above should be to Help:Archiving a talk page#Technical overview (the ":~:" search feature is ignored by some (most?) browsers). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox image size[edit]

Reducing an image size I think that the image box portrait that I put in the article Ruth Clayton would be much better if reduced in size. I tried to do this, but it was reversed by another editor who left me a message that I didn't fully understand. I'm autoconfirmed, but still very much a novice. Any easy to follow instructions that anyone could give me to reduce the size of this image to that of comparable infobox portraits? Very many thanks! Ulrich131 (talk) 10:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, i would suggest contacting the editor who reverted your edit. Thanks Trains2050 (talk) 11:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Ulrich131, and welcome to the Teahouse. We usually don't use thumbnails inside infoboxes because it adds an unnecessary border around the image. Instead, thumbnails are used outside, where we can have a border and a caption underneath. Within an infobox, image sizes are specified with a new parameter, | image_size = . Inside you would specify how large you would want the image. The infobox at Ruth Clayton has been trimmed of unused parameters; I've added the image size parameter in, and you can see a full list of parameters at Template:Infobox academic.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Ulrich131. Many if not most infobox templates seem to be set up to automatically size the infobox image to the size deemed most suitable for the majority of readers according to the type of device they are using to read the article. In other words, instead of fixing the image to one size for all readers, the template seems allow the image to be automatically adjust the size so that it is just as optimal for those who use a computer, those who use a tablet, and those who use a smartphone, etc. For this reason and as also explained in WP:IBI, using the thumbnail syntax in infoboxes is not really considered a good idea. Many infoboxes also have an |image size= parameter which can be used instead to tweak the size if absolutely necessary, but in most cases this isn’t needed. If you feel there are issues with the size of the image, the thing to do would be to discuss them on the article’s talk page and see if others feel the same way and see if some kind of consensus can be reached. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


I have created a few articles now and every time I intend to start by creating a draft, but instead I end up officially publishing the article and then having to move it to draft space. Afterward someone always has to delete the original article. How do I simply create an article in draft space instead of making a mess like this? TipsyElephant (talk) 12:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: You can try using the article wizard. It'll create the draft for you, give you some basic information to know before you start your draft, and will insert the necessary templates to have for the draft to go through the Articles for Creation process.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@TipsyElephant: I believe that if you create an article with the name "Draft:XXX" instead of just "XXX", the page will be created in draft space rather than article space. Deor (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
That's true, but the article wizard automatically adds Template:AFC submission to it, which is helpful for drafts.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


Dear editing colleagues, I would like to inquire about the BestChange article (the article about which already exists in RuWikipedia). On 11 April 2019 administrator Sandstein decided to keep the article based on the discussion results, but on 16 December 2019 the article was deleted without discussion. How is this possible? Inbld (talk) 13:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Inbld, and welcome to the Teahouse. To make it clear, the result of the discussion was "no consensus", meaning that it isn't a strong keep or delete; even if the result was keep, a later discussion could overturn that result and delete the page, should there be a consensus. As for the page, the reason is shown if you click the red link at BestChange. It's listed within the red banner on top of the page, in this case, a speedy deletion because the page was created by a blocked/banned user.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, and "G5", which was cited, requires no discussion. -- Hoary (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
AFD results are not final - they can be ignored if new information comes along - in this case, it did. MER-C 17:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I see. Thank you very much for your reply. Can you please tell us how we can restore the page? I need to write a new one or there are other ways? --Inbld (talk) 19:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Inbld, you say "we". Any particular reason for this? -- Hoary (talk) 22:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
No. I must have put it wrong. Sorry. --Inbld (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Inbld. It is possible that the deleting admin, MER-C, would agree to restore the text of the deleted article so that you could work on it - I don't know whether the policy if deleting articles by undeclared paid editors even allows them to be restored. In any case, you need to make your relationship with BestChange clear: if you are connected with them you should, and if you are in any way paid in connection with them, you must, make a declaration of this before you start: see paid editing. Then you should read your first article. Also, since it appears from the ruwiki article that BestChange has something to do with cryptocurrencies, you need to be aware of WP:General sanctions/Blockchain and cryptocurrencies. As far as I can see, these do not place restrictions on creating such articles, but I am not an expert in this area. --ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Let's make this clear: I will not restore any article at the request of anyone with a conflict of interest. Even if it was asserted there was no COI, I wouldn't restore the article under these circumstances. There is also zero tolerance for promotional editing or intent in the topic area. This sounds very much like WP:PAID, so I will hand out a general sanctions notice. MER-C 07:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. I am in no way affiliated with BestChange. What should I do in this case? --Inbld (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)


Hello am new here, need help starting with editing articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by OffeibeaAku (talkcontribs) 15:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@OffeibeaAku: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. Start with the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE, to learn some of the basics needed for editing. RudolfRed (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Knowing what sources to put info from[edit]

Sometimes i dont know what to put in articles even when they are the start of something, and i can't find good info to put in them, and i am also new RamenPlays (talk) 16:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RamenPlays, and welcome to the Teahouse.
If you can't find a good source for the info, it is often best not to add it. Or you could post on the article's talk page, saying something like 'I have reason to beleiove that XYZ is true, but I can't find a source for it. Can anyone find a reliable source?" -- perhaps explaining at greater length why you think the info true. As for where to look mfor a source, that depends entirely on the nature of the information involved. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, RamenPlays. The first thing is, if you want to add some information, ask how you know it is is true? If you saw it in a major newspaper, or a book from a reputable publisher, or saw it in a news report on a major network, that's probably all you need. If you heard it in the pub, or saw it on Facebook or YouTube, that is not normally enough, and you need to go digging for sources. (Lots of things we hear from friends, or see on Facebook, are not true, even though they might have been shared thousands of times). There is some information in the Reliable Sources section of WP:REFB; and WP:IRS gives a more extensive explanation. --ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Ronald Graham has passed away[edit]

Hello! Can someone change the wiki page for the mathmatician to indicate he has passed on?

Thank you (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

They can if there is a published reliable source for the information. There have been a number of attempts to change the page today, but none supported by a reliable source. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Just saw an update at Graham's page at MAA (Mathematical Association of America) - link here. They seem to have a banner on the homepage as well. RIP if true. Read Graham's books at grad school.Kaisertalk (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I would definitely regard that as a Reliable Source and encourage the IP to update the article if they wished to, or to leave the url on the talk page for another editor to utilise. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: At Talk:Ronald Graham#Death Rumours, I was concerned about the MAA's lack of an actual news announcement; only a tweet on the subject that was a retweet of someone who cited Wikipedia, leading me to think that was their source. The AMS has now issued a substantial obit, which I'm inclined to trust. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Inserting references[edit]


Is this the right way to insert a reference?


Stanstaple (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC) Stanstaple (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Stanstaple, and welcome to the Teahouse! In short, no. Take a look at WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Stanstaple: Regarding reference citing in particular, see WP:ERB. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks both for pointing me in the right direction. Thanks also User:DESiegel who cleaned up my mess!--Stanstaple (talk) 18:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with my first article[edit]

Could someone please who has the time review my article and let me know how I did? Thanks! Brandyfortune (talk) 17:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: User:Brandyfortune/sandbox. You are off to a good start. I suggest you do not submit it yet to Articles for Creation because so much of the content is not referenced. Even if content is true, it does not belong in the article if a reference is not available. Secondly, I am guessing that you are writing about someone you know. If so, a statement describing your connection should be created on your User page. This addresses what Wikipedia calls a Conflict Of Interest (see WP:COI). David notMD (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Just an observation for you, Brandyfortune: I don't mean to come across as negatively critical, but if you look at other biographical articles you'll see that the first sentence sums up why the person is notable and of interest. Put the rest after that, and you're on your way. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Images cc-by-sa[edit]

Hi All,

While trying to get an image for an article, I found an image on Flickr with the cc-by-sa license. Please can I request one of the volunteers to help demystify what that means for us to upload the image to the article? Obviously, we don't want to be uploading an image that is in violation of any copyright limits.

The link to the photograph in question is here. Thanks in advance. Kaisertalk (talk) 17:32, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Kaisertalk: Actually, there is conflicting information there. The description says "cc-by-sa", but the icons and the "Some rights reserved" link on the right side say it is "CC BY-NC-SA 2.0", which means no commercial re-use, and would not be suitable for Wikipedia. I would err on the side of caution, assuming the more restrictive (NC) license is correct, and not use it, if only because the copyvio checking bots will likely see that and not the text. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: Got it. Makes sense, thanks. Just for me to keep in mind - NC (non commercial) is something we want to avoid? i.e. Wiki article would be considered commercial? Kaisertalk (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
A Wikipedia article itself would not be commercial, Kaisertalk, but Wikipedia extends to its reusers the right to use its content for any purpose, including commercially. NC licenses are not compatible with that. Also, Wikipedia has in the past made plans to distribute excerpts from Wikipedia, perhaps on DVD, for a fee, which would at least arguably be a commercial use. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense, Thanks DESiegel Kaisertalk (talk) 18:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey, Kaisertalk, I see the photographer's email is on that photo. There's absolutely nothing stopping you from contacting the photographer directly and asking them to alter the licencing of their image (or upoading a smaller, web-suitable image for us to utilise) if you explain what you want to use it for, and how it needs to have a 'free for commercial re-use licence. I've done that successfully in the past in work-related settings with other people's images on Flickr. The trick is to ask nicely, explain the reason for your request, and say how you really only need a relatively low res image for a Wikipedia article. Highlighting how resolving the conflict between the written text statement of cc-by-sa in the caption, and the copyright link of cc-by-nc-sa might also prompt them to address the discrepancy. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 19:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
This is a great idea Nick Moyes. I was actually thinking this to myself, and stopped going down that thread worried if I would be doing something wrong by reaching out. But, this is definitely worth asking, politely, as you point out. One minor clarification, just so that I don't misspeak -- cc-by-sa license is good for us to use on the article, right? Kaisertalk (talk) 19:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
By way of minor chuckle, the photographer seems to be well known in his own right with a (lengthier) wiki article of his own Eric_Miller_(photographer) :) While I am at it - will I be violating some rule, if I ask him for his own photograph as well for his article? Thoughts Nick Moyes? Kaisertalk (talk) 20:06, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, Kaisertalk. The critical thing is that the licence must permit 'sharing, even if even for commercial use' (it's that bit which puts so many people and institutions off) There are many variants of the licence -but they're all allowable, e.g. and The only work-around is to assassinate your subject, then you're allowed to use an image under different Wikipedia rules, but please don't tell anyone I told you that! Flattery often works, so yes, you could ask if he has a selfie he's taken of himself. Copyright resides in the photographer, not the subject of the photo (though if it's their camera and they asked another person to take it, my personal interpretation is a lot laxer than the nerds at Wikimedia like to apply. Don't tell them I told you that, either!) Nick Moyes (talk) 20:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
lol. Thanks Nick Moyes. I have dropped the photographer a mail and have asked re: both topics. Let's see. Cheers. Kaisertalk (talk) 22:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Brilliant. Wikipedians need to be far more proactive in their quest for images, and the WMF and their country chapters could do a damn site more to help us engage with and persuade organisations and individuals to release images for public benefit. Do let us know how you get on. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding a new submission which has few or no references[edit]

I was involved with an orchestra in the 1980's & 90's that was made up of a diverse group of musicians that were dedicated to free improvisation. This group performed with a number of known personalities and major venues and concert halls. I think it would be important to tell its story but unfortunately there are no references available on the web if I am understanding the submission process. Please let me know how to create an entry for this organisation.


 Kraw-2015 (talk) 19:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

... would be a waste of time. Please read about verifiability. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Kraw-2015 and welcome to the Teahouse. If you could find off-line sources, for example magazine or newspaper coverage from the 1980s or 90s (no apostrophe on those in articles by the way), they would do, provided that there are several each of which includes significant coverage and that they are reliable sources. There are online archives for many print newspapers and magazines, some behind paywalls, by the way, but far from all are online. But sourcing there must be to have an article, so don't bother writing this up for Wikipedia until and unless you have the sources already identified. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

How to add a not-profit organization to list of Canadian Advocacy Groups[edit]

. Hello I would,like to see an organization Nation Rising added to the list of groups advocating and lobbying for Canadians. We are lobbying to have animal ag subsidies shifted to plant based food intended to human consumption, more affordable and healthy plant based food especially for marginalized, as well as funding for farmers to transition out of animal ag...for the environment, Canadians health, and farmed animals, thank you! (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you should review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on disclosures you must make. Regarding your question, your organization can only be added to the list if it merits a Wikipedia article of its own. That would only be the case if your organization is shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. Wikipedia has no interest in spreading the word about your organization, we're just here to write an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
I looked up the group and don't see any independent media coverage, which suggests that the group would have difficulty demonstrating notability. It would be hard to get an article approved without this notability, per the links 331dot shows above. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Remember, IP user, that promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. It makes no difference whether the subject is commercial or non-profit, virtuous or vile, an article about it will be based on what people unconnected with it have chosen to publish about it, not on what the subject says or wants to say. --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Weeks-old page not appearing in search engines[edit]

Hi, I created the page Trial penalty nearly 7 weeks ago and it still does not appear in search engine results ("trial penalty": Google, Bing; "trial penalty wikipedia": Google, Bing). The best luck I've had is with DuckDuckGo, which displays the page in the sidebar but not in the main list of webpages. I have not had this problem with any of three other pages I've created, and the trial penalty page features a decent amount of content and plenty of references, so I'm wondering if anyone knows what this might be a result of and how it might be resolved. Perhaps something to do with new page review? Thanks. Jaydavidmartin (talk) 22:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jaydavidmartin: I've marked it as reviewed. If that doesn't fix it (in time), then the problem is in those search engines' indexing and not on our end. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ian.thomso: Much appreciated. Jaydavidmartin (talk) 22:39, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Jaydavidmartin: New articles by non-autopatrolled editors are supposed to be marked to not be indexed by Google for 90 days, or until they are patrolled, whichever comes first. That keeps poor articles from getting indexed, only to have to be taken down if they are subsequently deleted. BTW - I linked to your article from Plea bargain#Consequences for innocent accused so it's no longer an WP:ORPHAN. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Dallas College needs new pages renamed[edit]

 Dallasuser2408 (talk) 23:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@Dallasuser2408: Can you be more specific about exactly what you want to do please? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Dallasuser2408 and welcome to the Teahouse. Just what pages do you think should be renamed please, and to what, adn why. Usually renames are discussed on the talk pages of the article(s) concerned, or on one of them if several related moves are to be discussed. See requested moves for more detail. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, the following pages need to be moved:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dallasuser2408 (talkcontribs) 01:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Dallasuser2408 did you supply on the talk pages of any of those articles, or can you supply here, reliable sources showing that those are the commonly accepted names? Note that Wikipedia uses the principle of WP:COMMONNAME and does not title articles based purely on the "official name" when this is different from the comonly used name, as a rule. @Dallasuser2408: DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:27, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I linked the above titles for convenience and disambiguated Mtn View. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

New User - struggling to create company page[edit]

Hi - I am trying to create a page for the company I work for (well-known, lots of public references, was surprised there wasn't already a wikipedia page). I am going through the steps to note that I have a conflict of interest in writing the article and I get as far as here:

You do not have permission to create this page, for the following reason: The page title or edit you have tried to create has been restricted to administrators at this time. It matches an entry on the local or global blacklists, which is usually used to prevent vandalism.

If you receive this message when trying to edit, create or move an existing page, follow these instructions:

       Any administrator can create or move this page for you. Please post a request at the Administrators' noticeboard.
       You may also contact any administrator on their talk page or by email.
       Be sure to specify the exact title (especially by linking it) of the page you are trying to create or edit, and if it might be misunderstood (for example, an article with an unusual name), consider explaining briefly what you want to do.
       If you wrote any text, save it temporarily on your computer until you can edit the page.

Thank you. Woomorge (talk) 02:07, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Woomorge and welcome to the Teahouse. The page you attempted to create had been protected (aka "salted") so that it could not be created except by an Admin. Without knowing which page it was, i can't tell you why, but most often this happens when a page is deleted for promotion or for lack of notability and is then repeatedly recreated without seriously addressing the issues.
Do note that articels about a company should normally pass WP:NCORP, which demands multiple independent published reliable sources, each of which covers the topic in some detail. Directory entries, press releases, news based on press releases, and passing mentions do not help at all, no matter how many of them there are or how reliable the places they were published. Do you think you have that sort of coverage at hand? What article did you want to create, anyway? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:52, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Woomorge, and welcome to the Teahouse. The thing to do is first, to declare your status as a paid editor; secondly to read your first article, and understand that creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia, and made immeasurably harder if you have a conflict of interest, as you do; thirdly to look for sources suitable to establish that the company is notable (remember that nothing that comes from the company or its associates counts towards this, whether directly, or in press releases or interviews). If you canot find such sources, give up. If you have found such sources, then you should use articles for creation to create a draft that you can work on and, eventually, submit for review. If the review is accepted, then the reviewer will handle the issue of the title being salted. Do remember that if you succeed in creating an article about your company, it will not belong to the company, and you will have no control over its content: your subsequent involvement will be limited to suggesting changes on the article's talk page. The article will not necessarily say what you would choose about the company, and may end up containing information that you would not want there, if that information has been published in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 08:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring[edit]

 2601:248:681:25A0:91D:2CB7:477C:E543 (talk) 02:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question about edit warring IP 2601:248:681:25A0:91D:2CB7:477C:E543|2601:248:681:25A0:91D:2CB7:477C:E543? The only edit you've made so far has been your post here at the Teahouse which makes it kind of hard to figure out what (if any) problems you might be having. If you can provide a link (or even just the name) to the article or page where you're having problems, it will be much easier for someone to try and help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Did you read the answer which you received at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1067#What is an Edit War?? --David Biddulph (talk) 10:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Feedback received on an article CB Insights[edit]


I understand that you get this question from multiple folks. But, I wanted to state this here, to seek this forum's guidance. This note is about a page that I created for CB Insights, after seeing that CB Insights does not have an article, while their competitors e.g. Crunchbase and Owler had a wiki article.


CB Insights is one of the top three (by usage and revenue) market intelligence platforms for tracking venture capital, and funding activities for private companies. Link from one of CB Insights' competitors here.

The company is considered a leader in its domain and a simple test would be searching CB Insights on Wikipedia and seeing the number of articles, particularly in the private equity, venture capital domains. Link here.

The company is quite a significant one in the private equity / venture capital / startup investments domain because it fills a void that very few can fill. i.e. market intelligence / venture capital information for private startups. Currently, they are tracking an annual revenue of ~$50 million, and have ~300 employees.

I received an update that the article is marked for deletion because of the following reason

Per WP:NCORP Nothing significantly notable that distinguishes this platform from similar platforms. (proposed by Comatmebro)


Sources for this article are quite diverse

1. Newspapers and Media: E.g. New York Times, TechCrunch

2. Market Intelligence Trackers: E.g. Crunchbase, Linkedin Company Intelligence

3. Other Advisory Firms: E.g. Pricewaterhouse Coopers

Next Steps

Please can someone help me on how best I can respond to this note to prevent this article from being deleted, and more importantly inputs on next steps towards review / approval. 

Kaisertalk (talk) 04:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kaisertalk! The article has been proposed for deletion as there doesn't seem to be enough coverage about the company. For example, normally the New York Times would be a valuable soruce, but in this case it is just a brief mention of the company without a lot of detail. There only seems be one source with detail, and that is the second TechCrunch article [3]. The community likes to see more in-depth coverage so that the articles can be balanced - one or two articles doesn't give a lot to go on. There are a few days before it can be deleted, so what is needed are articles that provide coverage about CB Insights, rather than working with them or mentioning their data. If you can find some sources along those lines and add them to the article, you can then simply remove the deletion tag - as this one is a "prod" which anyone can say no to it. I wouldn't remove it too early, though, as if someone disagrees it can still be nominated for formal deletion. Thus I generally recommend using the time to address the problems rather than simply removing the tag. - Bilby (talk) 05:04, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Bilby:, I hear you. But, the credibility of the company is high that it is considered amongst the top 2-3 go to sources for anything related to private equity, venture capital funding for private companies. Marking this article for deletion with a statement saying that "Nothing significantly notable that distinguishes this platform from similar platforms.", is not fully accurate. Just to prove the notability of CB Insights, consider this simple table below.
# Source / Media Number of Articles / Citations Link
1 New York Times 840 [[4]]
2 Wikipedia 4,090 [[5]]
3 TechCrunch 1,260 [[6]]

Kaisertalk (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Just because NY Times uses CB Insights as a source with some frequency doesn't mean that they write about CB Insights, which is what counts. I often do searches for "______ is" to give me a clue whether people are writing about a particular topic. The phrase "CB Insights is" has never appeared in the NYT. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1: Thanks for this note. I will definitely get more links. But, seems like this is the challenge for companies such as CB Insights and Crunchbase. E.g. "Crunchbase is" does not appear in the NYT either.
Kaisertalk (talk) 05:57, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Kaisertalk: FYI, the phrase never appearing doesn't mean that CB Insights (or Crunchbase) doesn't qualify for an article. But it does mean that your citation of 840 references to CB Insights in the NYT is probably not a good yardstick. BTW if you object to the deletion of the article, you should remove the proposed deletion tag at the top of the article. Then the article will get a full deletion discussion with community input. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1: Agree on the comparison note. The only reason I make it is that there will be more mentions of CB Insights as a source rather than articles about CB Insights. E.g. there will be more articles in the Washington Post quoting New York Times than articles about New York Times. I am just super confused when the deletion message says "Per WP:NCORP Nothing significantly notable that distinguishes this platform from similar platforms."
Pardon me, if I ended up using this forum as a debate for the article. I didnt mean to do that. I know that this is a volunter led discussion board and I want to be respectful of that.
In the meantime, @Calliopejen1: wanted to check if this deletion tag would pause the 'review' that is still pending on this page as a part of the New Page Patrol. Please let me know if I should do something different. Kaisertalk (talk) 06:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Kaisertalk: I've clicked the "patrolled" button so that step is complete, if that's what you're referring to. The person who proposed the article for deletion with the tag is likely to open a full deletion discussion, though. There are no more new-page type processes that need to occur. FYI, I tagged the article with a notability tag. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks @Calliopejen1: Yes, 'patrolled' was the term I was looking for, and used 'review' instead. :) Is there something that I need to do when the deletion discussion starts or is this something that is taken care by the larger community? Kaisertalk (talk) 06:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Kaisertalk: The more important thing shouldn't wait for the deletion discussion -- find good sources ABOUT the company and add them to the article. When the deletion discussion begins, you can chime in with your reasons to keep the article. But really it's going to come down to whether good sources are in the article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1: Sounds good, thanks much. Kaisertalk (talk) 07:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

made changes on accident[edit]

i accidentally made changes to this website, its not there anymore i apologize. can someone please fix it? (talk) 04:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, i have reverted the edits, thanks Trains2050 (talk) 04:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

made changes on accident to Princess Charlotte of Cambridge page[edit]

can someone please fix this page made changes on accident. Princess Charlotte of Cambridge (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

i have fixed your edit, thanks Trains2050 (talk) 04:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

How to create a page[edit] (talk) 07:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP The word "page" can have a number of meanings when it comes to Wikipedia. If you'd like to know more about how to create a Wikipedia article, please take a look at Help:Your first article and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for some general information. If you're refering to something other than an article, then someone can probably give you some more specific advice if you can clarify what type of page you want to create. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding an article or just editing?[edit]

Hi! So i read Terrorism in Indonesia list of attakcs is incomplete, because recently there was an attack towards police station on South Kalimantan.After i read about notability & read news about that particular events, i am sure that it deserves its place, but not sure as a new article or maybe just as an edit on page somewhere.

Details about that attack can be read here:


Since i am a new member of Wikipedia and i'm afraid creating mess by wrong-editing, i feel not "correct person" to decide this & edit the particular thing.

Thanks~ Nyanardsan (talk) 10:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to Wikipedia, i suggest discussing this matter in the talk page of Terrorism in Indonesia, reply if you need any further help. Trains2050 (talk) 10:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
The responsiveness of editors to questions or statements made on article Talk pages depends on how many people view the article, 'watch' the article, and visit the Talk page. Wikipedia's philosophy is 'BRD', meaning be Bold in your editing, but if Reverted (reversed), then start a Discussion. One approach here would be to add content to the article with 2-3 good references, and then wait to see what happens. A common error of new editors is to add true content without references. You are already aware of the requirement for verification. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

How to get NetWeaving into Wikipedia[edit]

Over 20 years ago I created and trademarked two words: NETWEAVING and NETWEAVER. NetWeaving is a Golden Rule and Pay It Forward form of networking. Whereas networking is self-focused. NetWeaving is all about helping someone else, either by connecting them with someone who can fulfill a need, problem or opportunity they have, OR providing them with some resource they need - no strings attached. I was the first elected president of the Pay It Forward Foundation and still serve on the non-profit foundation board created by Catherine Ryan Hyde, author of the book on which the concept is based. The NetWeaving International website is now a totally free website with no cookies and no tracking. Anyone can go and download two of the three books I have written "The Heart and Art of NetWeaving" and "Raising Your R&R Factor". If you 'google' the word, NetWeaving, you can see how it has spread around the world.

I hope that Wikipedia would agree that this concept deserves to be in Wikipedia. Our world needs so much more of this. How would I go about doing this?

Incidentally, SAP NetWeaver came about the same time I trademarked "NETWEAVING" and "NETWEAVER". They had evidently purchased the company who had the original tradmark. I was allowed the trademark since my NetWeaving concept was totally outside their use. I noticed several years after I spelled NetWeaver with a capital W, they started capitalizing it too. Also, with my permission, a non-profit organization "CEO Netweavers" was granted permission by me to use the Netweaver name.

Robert (Bob) Littell, Chief NetWeaver (talk) 10:21, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! I do not understand the question completely but i guess you want to create an article for the word NETWEAVING. As i see that you have a conflict of interest with the word please make sure you declare your conflict of interest and also make sure you have enough sources to create the article. Please make sure your article meets WP:NOTE guidelines. this should help you writing an article: Help:Your first article. Reply if you need any further help. Many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 10:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

There is no conflict of interest in that SAP Netweaver, which is already in Wikipedia, is a software platform and has nothing to do with my concept of NetWeaving which is social skill and lifelong practice that not only helps others but enriches your own life. If there had been a conflict, I never would have gotten the I could easily write the article or I saw that if I wanted someone else to write it, they could do that instead. I'm going on the Board of our large Property Owner's Assn which is going to eat up a lot of time. I would be willing to pay someone to write the article unless it would be preferable for me to write. I have many sources in which the article has either been featured or mentioned and as I checked this morning, when I googled 'netweaving', it shows 285,000 hits. Here is what is shown on the US Patent Office website.

Patent office information
Goods and Services	IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: BUSINESS CONSULTING SERVICES. FIRST USE: 20010911. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010911
Mark Drawing Code	(1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number	76451369
Filing Date	September 17, 2002
Current Basis	1A
Original Filing Basis	1B
Published for Opposition	April 22, 2003
Registration Number	2902030
Registration Date	November 9, 2004
Owner	(REGISTRANT) Enrichment Company, The CORPORATION GEORGIA P.O. Box 11687 Atlanta GEORGIA 30355
Attorney of Record	Joseph V. Myers III

Goods and Services	IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: BUSINESS CONSULTING SERVICES. FIRST USE: 20010911. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010911
Mark Drawing Code	(1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number	76451368
Filing Date	September 17, 2002
Current Basis	1A
Original Filing Basis	1B
Published for Opposition	April 22, 2003
Registration Number	2902029
Registration Date	November 9, 2004
Owner	(REGISTRANT) Enrichment Company, The CORPORATION GEORGIA P.O. Box 11687 Atlanta GEORGIA 30355
Attorney of Record	Joseph V. Myers III

Goods and Services	IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Computer software platforms for software integration and application integration, software for application and database integration; application development software; composite software which invokes and modifies or integrates other software applications and components; software for business process automation; computer programs for transferring data to and from computer programs and computer files; computer programs for developing other computer programs; computer programs for running development programs and application programs
Mark Drawing Code	(1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number	76488298
Filing Date	February 6, 2003
Current Basis	44E
Original Filing Basis	1B;44D
Published for Opposition	September 13, 2005
Registration Number	3022393
Registration Date	December 6, 2005
Attorney of Record	David Davis
Priority Date	October 8, 2002
Type of Mark	TRADEMARK
Affidavit Text	SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20150723.
Renewal	1ST RENEWAL 20150723
Live/Dead Indicator	LIVE

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bob. I'm afraid that, like many people, you are under the misapprehension that Wikipedia is for telling the world about things. It is not. Promotion of any kind (which is another word for "telling people about something") is forbidden, no matter whether the subject is commercial or not, virtuous or not, popular or not. Wikipedia's job is to collect and summarise information which has already been written about by independent commentators in reliable places. (Please see WP:NOTSOAPBOX). If enough has been written about your concept and website by people wholly unconnected with you, and without being prompted with information by you and published in reliable places, that an article could be written entirely from those sources, then we could have an article on it. It would not belong to you, you would not have control of its contents, it would contain little or nothing that you had said or published (it would be based on independent commentaries, as I said), and it could end up containing material that you disliked. --ColinFine (talk) 12:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Also, regarding There is no conflict of interest in that SAP Netweaver ..., you apparently have misunderstood WP:COI. Based on your opening statement, I created and trademarked two words: NETWEAVING and NETWEAVER, you clearly have a COI regarding this subject, as its creator.

Wiki Page creation query[edit]

i want to create a page for someone in the format that is generally displayed on any wiki profile. Aqeel Ahmed Panaruna (talk) 10:23, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, i would suggest looking on Help:Your first article and make sure the someone meets Wikipedia WP:BIO standards. Also make sure you do declare if you have a conflict of interest with the person you want to write the article for. Trains2050 (talk) 10:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Aqeel Ahmed Panaruna. I'd like to add to what Trans2050 has said. Writing a Wikipedia article (which is what you are asking about: we don't have "profiles") is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia. This is not about format, or technical issues: it is because Wikipedia's policies on notability and verifiability and neutrality are unfamiliar to most people, and difficult to understand at first, and new editors often find the journey frustrating and unhappy. I always recommend new editors to spend a few weeks or months improving some of our existing six million articles, and learn how Wikipedia works, before they try this difficult activity. --ColinFine (talk) 12:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Improper image[edit]

Dear fellow editors, If I find an image with the creator's name inside the image displayed, what should I do ? Anupam Dutta (talk) 10:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

If possible, please could you give me the link of the image so i can look into it. Many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 10:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
[15] Not seeing any problem with it? Theroadislong (talk) 10:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I see the name "sourav manna" in pale gray, just west of the northern part of the green territory. The file was uploaded by Sourav manna. I think it would be acceptable to edit the image to remove the grey text; but hardly worth bothering with. Maproom (talk) 11:05, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Dear @Maproom & @Theroadislong That is the point.... All maps by Sourav Manna have his name imprinted... And also the label "Drawing by Saurav Manna" at below right... in most of his maps/drawings. Please somebody explain to him the rules of Wikipedia.. Cheers. Anupam Dutta (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
It's only noticeable if you go looking for it, so I wouldn't bother, personally, even though strictly it is against policy (see WP:WATERMARK). But Anupamdutta73, you are welcome to post on his user talk page, and draw his attention to that policy. --ColinFine (talk) 12:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Anupamdutta73: I think you're right – they should not be there. In the example given, File:Map_of_Municipal_Corporations_and_Municipalities.jpg it's in an area of the image where, because of the different font, it could easily be misread as being the name of that bay or a marina. And WP:WATERMARK says we don't do this. We already have proper places to credit the contributor – we don't need people confusing their images and our readers with duplicate attributions, IMO. I'd suggest you report it at c:Commons:Help desk, where you'll find more image-focused attention. Don't forget to ping the author you're discussing, too. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:22, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Dear@AlanM1, Before you came along, I have taken @Colinfine 's suggestion and left a message at his talk page... Based on his reply, I shall complain about him at Commons.... As I am just 4 months old here, your guidance are much appreciated.... Cheers.... Anupam Dutta (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

How to watch the status of an article that I have submitted?[edit]


How do I watch the status of an article that I have submitted? When I submitted it, Wikipedia told me, there was a queue of 2.000 articles. But how far am I?

Best regards, Martin MartinTiedemann (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

According to your contribution record, the only draft which you have produced is User:MartinTiedemann/sandbox, which has not been submitted for review. The button to use is the blue one labelled "Submit your draft for review!". When you do submit it, it's not a "first in, first out" queue, and reviewers will choose which drafts to review. Hopefully you'll include the draft in your watchlist. You need to improve the draft before you submit it, as only the short last two sentences have any references; the remainder is unsourced, although there are a number of misplaced external links within the text. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@MartinTiedemann: Since the reviewers are all volunteers, It is not possible to estimate the time left. You will get a message on Your user talk page once it has been reviewed, containing the decline reason if it would be declined. Note that large sections of this WP:BLP are unsourced, so this will probbably not accepted this time. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:12, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, MartinTiedemann. I regret that it's not a first-in first-out queue. Article review (like everything else here) is done by volunteers, who take on what tasks they choose. So there's no way to predict when User:MartinTiedemann/sandbox will be reviewed. I see that it has only two references, both in Swedish; and my very limited understanding of Swedish suggests that one reports what he wrote, the other, what he said. If I'm right, that means that they won't count as the "several reliable independent published sources that discuss him in detail" needed to establish that he's notable, so when it is reviewed, it's very likely to be declined. Maproom (talk) 11:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@MartinTiedemann: Just to deconstruct that last quoted phrase by Maproom:
  • several – Generally, you should have at least three good sources that meet these criteria.
  • reliable – The sources have to be reliable as per that policy. That means they have editorial oversight, fact-checking, editors, peer-review, etc.
  • independent – The author of the source needs to have decided to write about the subject without prompting or significant contribution from the subject. While we can expect that there might be some amount of confirmation and fact-checking that goes on between the author (or his editors) and the subject, the material should not read like it's just a regurgitation of promotional facts spoon-fed by the subject.
  • detail – The source needs to discuss the subject in detail. Five-minute talk-show interviews, appearances in festival or even individual events, database entries (directories, discogs, filmogs), etc. are all out. The material needs to be paragraphs of prose about the persons life, career, contributions to society, etc. I.e., the author found the subject interesting and notable enough to spend some time writing about.
I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

"Multiple Issues" box at the top of Wiki page[edit]

Hi, I'm hoping you can help! I'm working on this page: It's showing a "Multiple Issues" box at the top of the page, with points from July 2018. The article has since been edited, and I believe these issues have now been resolved. However, I have a COI so cannot remove the "Multiple Issues" box. Do you know how I can get rid of this box at the top of the page? Thank you! (talk) 11:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I have altered the tags to apply to the current article. ote that it currently has no sources at all, and I therefore will consider afd'ing it once I have time. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Removed content that was a reply to the previous section, and is there now. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help - I'd submitted a new version of the article (with references) by editing the article, but was told this was against the rules. I then submitted it in my User Talk section, but was told that this should be done in the Article Talk section. In May 2020 I submitted the edited version of the article there (with references), but I have not yet had a response / change implemented. Have I done the correct thing, or do I need to submit the improved artcile (with references) somewhere else? (talk) 11:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

You did the right thing. Appears that @Victor Schmidt: missed looking at the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I incorporated your proposed changes into the article and moved stuff around. I removed the tag at top of page, but editors may add new tags, as some of your referencing is not considered reliable sources. David notMD (talk) 12:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@David notMD: I hadn't looked at the talk page yet because I diddnt see the need for that. Howewer, I would have looked at that page as part of WP:BEFORE. As a final notice from me, imdb is not a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


I've added a website to Bembidiomorphum, currently it's just named [1], I wish to changed the title to David Maddison - Carabids desired for DNA sequencing studies however I loose the link, this should be a simple task. Can someone assist, Regards --Devokewater (talk) 11:27, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it is simple: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#External links section. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:30, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
David Biddulph --Devokewater (talk) 11:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Devokewater: As much as I love Coleoptera, I don't think the link to is at all appropriate for an External link. It is not adding anything encyclopaedic to the article, as it's simply advertising for material for DNA sequencing. I suggest this source might be more appropriate. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:50, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

My first “real” article[edit]

Hi! Im new to wikipedia and just finished writing my first “real” article, or “kinda real” if you want to put it that way, I wanted to get some help and constructive criticism to help me make this article better and what I need to change for future articles, here is the link:

I would like to also thank anyone else who helped edit the article, they helped me get the template at the correct spot.

I have a really big passion for Justice and Law, and would like constructive criticism so I can help make this article much better. Lucas 13:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor28582573 (talkcontribs)

The refs are considered "bare URLs." Learn how to use proper ref format. Other than that, impressive. Remember to 'sign' your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@WikiEditor28582573: See WP:ERB for a quick tutorial on cites. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft article[edit]

Hello – I've created an article which is in draft:

What happens next? Do I need to do anything to get this published now? JHills20 (talk) 13:38, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi! To submit a draft article for review, you need to click the “submit my article for review” button at the top once it meets article requirements. You should make sure it meets the requirements as it may take 6 weeks or more for your review to be completed and if its denied you have to submit it again. Lucas 13:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiEditor28582573 (talkcontribs)
@JHills20: I've added the button that WikiEditor28582573 was talking about above. However, in the draft's current state, it is unlikely that it will be passed since it's lacking in reliable sources, especially since it's a biographies of living persons, meaning that it's imporant that we can fact check every single claim within the article.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 14:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding my blog to „list of blogs“[edit]

Hi there,

I was wondering if it is possible to add my blog on China ( to the page „list of blogs“?

Cheers Sinoskop (talk) 14:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, I was wondering if my blog on China ( could be added to the „list of blogs“?

Cheers Sinoskop (talk) 14:11, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

The list is a "list of notable blogs", and it links to Wikipedia articles on those notable blogs. Please read Wikipedia's definition of WP:notable. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Help adding info[edit]

Hi, I have a bunch of new titles and awards and new info and photos of a client, but as an associate I can't edit her page. I've tried asking for help in the Talk page but I just keep getting told I can't edit. Can anyone help me? I have all the info and reference links. Thanks! (talk) 14:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

This must be about Holly Black, an author of Young Adult fiction. Thank you, 73, for raising the issue on her talk page rather than making the edits yourself. Maybe someone will see this and consider your requests. Maproom (talk) 15:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello there! Thank you very much for the disclosure! Please use WP:edit requests to suggest changes to articles you ought not to directly edit. Please make your requests in small packages, each of them well-supported by reputable reliable sources so that they are easily addressed. Doing so should yield quicker responses and better outcomes. Note that you seem to have logged out while making this edit. You should remember to make sure you don't edit the same topic areas both logged in and logged out, as that could give a misimpression that you are two different editors which is usually, though not always, a bad thing (see WP:SOCK). Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:11, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I guess you are AssistantAtHollyBlack. Thank you for being open about your position, and putting your requests on the talk page. But I'm afraid you really need to do more. As an associate or assistant, you are regarded as a paid editor (whether you actually receive any pay or not) and need to make the formal declaration on your user page - see that link above for how to do it.
If you attach the template {{edit request}} to your requests on the talk page, they will get put on a list that editors who handle talk requests will see; otherwise they may not notice. I recommend that rather than putting in one long request for many changes, you put in a separate request for each change you want, and in each case make it as specific as you can: "Please add the following sentence to the paragraph beginning...", or "please replace X by Y". The future release certainly does not belong in the article, unless independent commentators have already written at some length about it; until that happens any such mention would be pure promotion. For general information, see Edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh that's a great suggestion. I'll try it that way. Thanks!

The querent is now known as User:Matilda Frye, by the way. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:40, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Creating a page[edit]

When shall I allowed to create a page? What is the technical process of submitting/uploading the page? IstuMistu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello IstuMistu, and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming you want to create a WP-article, take the time to read Help:Your first article. WP:TUTORIAL may also be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, IstuMistu, and welcome. The technical process of creating an article is trivial: just create a draft using the Articles for creation process. The process of creating a draft that will be accepted as a Wikipedia article is one of the most difficult tasks there is in editing Wikipedia, and editors who try it before they have spent at least a few weeks learning how Wikipedia works by improving some of our six million existing articles often have a frustrating and unhappy time. Please follow the links that Gråbergs Gråa Sång gave you. --ColinFine (talk) 18:19, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Please link this information regarding Cyclosporine/Ciclosporin![edit]

Please link "ciclosporin" page with the page on the Jean Borel Borel was the scientist working at Sandoz who helped isolate the drug from the fungus found in Norway & the US (purportedly collected while an employee was on vacation) and then tested the drug on himself, demonstrating its effect on his own T cells and identifying the presence of the drug in his blood. He's not mentioned under "history."

Here are another couple of references:

Regards, Maryanne Chrisant, MD Transplant Cardiologist (talk) 16:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Maryanne, you are free to add this detail yourself, Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, just be sure to add a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 16:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Maryanne: If you are not confident on editing the article directly, please post this same material at Talk:Jean-François Borel an encourage other interested editors to add the information. (In the meantime I've simply added a 'See also' link at the bottom of the page, but I suspect this isn't really sufficient). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing pages in several languages[edit]

Do I need to create a separate account in order to make edits in other languages ? TotoMart1 (talk) 17:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi TotoMart1 and welcome to the Teahouse - no, you don’t need to create several user accounts. CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello TotoMart1 and welcome to the Teahouse. Indeed you not only "don't need to" create multiple accounts for this, doing so would be frowned on, although not forbidden if only one account was used in any given language edition of Wikipedia, and you declared that they were all the same person on your user page. But unless you really want yourm user name to be different in different languages, I would advise against doing this. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TotoMart1 (talkcontribs) 19:35, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing Photos[edit]

How do I remove a photo that is listed as the photo for a town? I am looking to remove the photo for Canadian, Texas, and it won't allow me to change it. Canadianchamberofcommerce (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Canadianchamberofcommerce, Based upon your username, you should read:
You should not be directly editing:
Canadian, Texas
If there is a problem with the current photo please explain the problem. If you think there is a better photo, the usual process is to open the discussion on the talk page, identify the alternative photo and let editors reach a consensus about which photo would be best for the article. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Edits by IPs[edit]

Hi, I queried an article today for the first time, and received a response that charted multiple edits since 2009. I've never contacted Wikipedia before and those edits, of which most were deemed disruptive or not helpful, were not made by me. Does Wiki use a computer ip address? I'm using a work computer. Could these edits have been made by prior users of this computer? I want my good name cleared so...what do I do? Here's the link: Please advise. Thanks. Maryanne Chrisant, MD (talk) 19:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, IP addresses (assigned to computers) can be reassigned over time. The way to avoid this problem is ot create an account, and then only edits you make will be attributed to you. See WP:ACCOUNT for more info and a link to create your account. RudolfRed (talk) 19:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello unregistered editor Maryanne Chrisant,, and welcome to the Teahouse.
Wikipedia identifies edits and editors by the user account and associated user name. If a person edits without logging in to any user account, the IP address is used instead. Most ISPs now assign IP addresses dynamically, so that the IP address you have now may not be the same one you had a few days or weeks ago. Many re-assign every time a computer is rebooted, or every time a network connection is re-started, but some are assigned more often, and some less often.
The best way to avoid such issues is to create and use a Wikipedia account. See Wikipedia:Why create an account? An account is free, it avoids such con fusion, makes communication with other editors much easier, and actually protects the account-holder's privacy better. Anyone can see an unregistered editor's IP address, which will often identify the geographic area where that user is located, and in some cases identify the specific computer. Only a very few highly trusted individuals can see such information for a person logged in to an account, and they have all signed legally binding documents to keep such info confidential.
In the mean time, you can safely ignore messages or warnings about edits you know you did not make, they are directed to people who used your IP address at some previous time. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

How to re-submit a rejected draft?[edit]

I just created a draft page like this:

It was rejected because lack of citations. I have now fixed it, but can't find any link to re-submit the page for reviewing. Any help here? Thanks in advance Soywiz (talk) 19:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@Soywiz: You removed the template that displays the resubmit button. I restored it, along with the draft article's review history which needs to be kept. You need more sources - everything you have is from a blog, and is therefore not reliable. See WP:RS TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Soywiz: Since you appear to be affiliated with the subject you've written about, you should disclose this information. See the plain and simple conflict of interest guide. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Removing Template Notice[edit]

I saw this article with a notice that it relies too much on primary sources. I have added numerous secondary sources, so that there are now 20 secondary sources and 10 primary sources. Since 2/3 are now secondary sources, is it appropriate to remove the template notice? Ihaveadreamagain 20:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Ihaveadreamagain, welcome to the Teahouse, I would think so! Thanks for your work on that article! Cheers -- puddleglum2.0 21:00, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

When to use a signature[edit]

I was given a note with instructions on how to add a signature to the "talk" pages, but never to use one when editing an article. When I edited an article, it flipped to the "talk" tab at the top of the page, so I added my signature, however it published the signature details on the article page. So I went back in and removed the signature. Can someone please clarify the difference between "talk" pages and "articles," so that I know when I should be adding my 4 tildes in as a signature? If I am editing an article that's already posted on Wikipedia, do I need to put "Karenpace (talk) 21:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)" at the end of my addition or changes? The instructions said to "add them at the end of my comment." However it's not a comment so much as an addition to an article.

Please let me know where I am to place the signature, so I don't put it in articles! Thank you for your help and guidance, as I learn how to navigate editing on here. Karenpace (talk) 21:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC) Karenpace (talk) 21:29, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Karenpace. No, you never, ever place a signature within an article, but always sign you posts to talk pages. It's as simple as that. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Karenpace. You don't seem to have edited any talk page since you edited your own user talk page last year; so, I don't know whqat happened, but no, you didn't "flip to the talk page": you were editing the article 54-40 (band). Normally both the "Article" and "talk" tabs are visible, even while you're editing. --ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
@Karenpace: Having taken a peek at your userpage at User:Karenpace, I I've popped back as I need to advise you that you are in serious breach of our policy on how userpages can be utilised. If you read WP:FAKEARTICLE, you will appreciate that we do not allow a userpage to resemble a mainspace Wikipedia article. Yours does at the moment, and has done so since 2011. I need to politely but firmly invite you to address this immediately, please. If you really want to keep all that personal information there about yourself, you must write it in the first person singular, and definitely not in the third person voice as if it were an article about you. Pages looking like that, once discovered, normally get speedily deleted, per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Sorry to be a bit of party-pooper, but it should be a quick and easy fix, though I recommend cutting down the content considerably to avoid another editor putting it up for deletion. If it is a draft article, then it needs to be in your sandbox of in Drafts, and with a Conflict of Interest statement on your userpage if you actually plan to try to publish it here. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 TYROTWIT (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

@TYROTWIT: This is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. If you want to donate, thank you and please see donate:Ways to Give. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Oops! Martin Moran Mountaineer Draft Declined[edit]


I come in peace... and I fully admit that I am not very familiar with how Wikipedia operates, I seem to have come up against some politics in the last few hours and after some research, I hope the community can help answer some questions I have and in the process, I hope I do not cause any offence.

Today I signed up with a brand new account with the intention to create an article about my Father, a noteworthy explorer, mountaineer and author. In my naivety, I had not realised my conflict of interest and had failed to cite and reference what I had written before submitting my unfinished draft: This was of course rejected which is fair now I have educated myself a little.

I wanted to create a page for my Dad, Martin Moran who died last year in an accident in the Indian Himalaya and his body was never recovered. He was a well-known mountaineer, British Mountain Guide, author of 4 books and holds many first accents and achievements to his name.

I had no other intention other than wanting to consolidate my Father's legacy and life work in an article on this respected platform. As his daughter, I have no monetary or business-driven motive apart from giving him the notoriety I feel he deserves.

I am however still a little perplexed, my draft was rejected and I believe I am no longer able to write an article on this subject due to my relationship with the person of note. I also understand it is frowned upon to ask someone else to publish this article on my behalf. So I wondered if the community here can help, is there a way to request that a notable person has a presence on Wikipedia or does this come down to whether volunteer editors believe it noteworthy enough to create a page?

I certainly do not want to breach the rules od Wikipedia or risk have my any future articles about my Father removed - I hope someone can help.


Hazel HazelMoran (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Martin Moran (mountaineer) was Declined - not Rejected - and the reviewer provided many instructive comments on how to improve the draft before resubmitting. As long as you declare your conflict-of-interest on your User page ("Martin Moran was my father"), you can continue to work on the draft. All facts need to be verified by published sources. What you know to be true must be deleted unless people wrote it about Moran. David notMD (talk) 02:36, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you David, that helps!

Approval of draft article[edit]

Hello, I've been trying to get some articles published but every time that are rejected, would anyone please help! draft:$aintBandit Isaac Olek (talk) 03:25, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Isaac Olek, Welcome to Wikipedia. Your draft is being repeatedly declined but has not been rejected as it fails Wikipedia notability standards. Also, the references provided are non-reliable as per Wikipedia source reliability. It appears that the sources do not demonstrate that this person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician or person, as shown with significant coverage (not brief mentions) in independent reliable sources. ~ Amkgp 💬 04:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with Korean drama pages[edit]

I want report an annoying user I love cloy ( This user always try to make destructive edit on Korean drama page. Can someone help? Where i can report this annoying user? Thanks before and sorry for my bad English.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelelijahtanuwijaya (talkcontribs) 04:08, 9 July 2020 04:08 (UTC)

@Michaelelijahtanuwijaya: Hello and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse, if you think the user is vandalising Wikipedia, you can report them here: Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Make sure you read the instructions on the page before you report them. Thanks Trains2050 (talk) 04:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Vc bro ki hits[edit]

Vc bro ki hits

Vivek choudhary, Bettter known as vc bro is an Indian youtuber comedian and a rapper. From Rajasthan, India. He is known for his comedic skits and reactions on various topics on his Youtube channel "Vc bro ki hits".

Youtube :

}} Vcbrokihits (talk) 04:51, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello there!, seems like you are using the Teahouse for advertising, advertising is not permitted in the English Wikipedia including the Teahouse. If you meant something else, please reply here, thanks Trains2050 (talk) 04:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Does DHGate ever really talk to anyone?[edit]

Wrong place. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:31, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I have tried for several days to bu a doll on DHGate. I have two favorites picked out, but every time I click "Go to checkout" I get some meaningless blather like "Bad Gateway" or "Bad Request, " and advice to "try again Later." How much later do they mean: "whenever we are not here."? If this is their notion of Customer Service," how do they ever stay in business? (talk) 05:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! I am afraid the Teahouse can only help you with queries about editing Wikipedia. You'll need to contact the customer care department of the organisation you are trying to transact with. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:31, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Tag, talk, take more time?[edit]

Hi Teahouse, I am relatively new editing wikipedia and have come across a few pages I'm stumped about what to do with as they read either NPOV or like a personal website, or feel "on the edge" of encyclopedic. I'm posting here to see what a more experienced editor would do. Example: Biographical page of extradition lawyer Gary Botting. This page reads like a personal account/resumé with a lot of unnecessary info, is it best to tag for NPOV? Peacock language? Get more involved on the talk page? There are many references to numerous personal books but would these not be considered proper references? Cheers, Uninspired Username (talk) 05:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

It does seem a bit odd, yes. If I could devote more time to it than I'm willing to, I might work out how/why. If it has peacock language, then you might remove the peacock language from one section, thereby demonstrating what you had in mind more efficiently and more constructively than if you described it, and flag the article as a whole for peacock language. If there's an NPOV problem, flag that too, but be sure to describe it in the talk page. -- Hoary (talk) 05:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Interface button to abandon Visual Editor window?[edit]

Hello, in the WP:Visual Editor if I wish to abandon editing without publishing changes, I press ESC. What is the corresponding interface button that I can click with the mouse to accomplish the same task? Elizium23 (talk) 06:52, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Elizium23: You can click "Read" besides the "Edit" button. The same confirm prompt will appear.   Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

AAAS members listing — what to do?[edit]

Hi All,

I patrol the dead end pages category and came across this article [ List of American Academy of Arts and Sciences members (2006 - 2019) ], which seems to be just a listing of all AAAS members by year (seemingly lifted from the AAAS website cited as the source); there are a couple of other similar articles, accessible from this 'TOC page' of sorts: [ List of American Academy of Arts and Sciences members ]. I'm guessing that many of the names on the list could be linked to existing articles (which would obviously be a mammoth task if done manually!), but before I even think of tackling that, I wanted to ask for advice on this, as I've never come across a page like this.

Hence my questions:

  1. Should this article be kept, or does it violate some policy? (If it's likely to be deleted, then obviously no point in expending energy on linking it.)
  2. If kept, should the names be linked to articles, or should this just be left as a dead end page (whether tagged accordingly, or not)?
  3. If it should have links, is there a bot or some other automated way of adding the links, or must it be done manually?

Any advice welcome, thanks in advance! :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:08, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Pinging HRShami, who created the articles. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)