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Can't upload a photo?[edit]


I am currently trying to add an image of a statue of Leon Trotsky that I took myself, but when uploading it says, "We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons." Does anybody know how to resolve this issue? (I'm sorry if I did this wrong, it's my first question.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Velikovsky (talkcontribs) 02:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC) You must sign your comment when you write in user talk page or teahouse but not when editing articles.Md.Ali25 (talk) 02:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


hey sorry follow up question, can you give me code for a highlighted talk? i have code for my name highlighted but i the hightlight in a different color, also is it against policy to just have your name and no talk like thishandatoe 15:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)? thanks

It's fine to not have a talk link. -A lainsane (Channel 2) 18:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
You could use something like [[User_talk:Handatoe|<span style="background-color: #ffffcc; color: #005500">talk</span>]] which produces talk with a green word on a light yellowish background or you could use other colours. Just make sure you're using foreground and background colours with enough contrast between them. For example, I'd suggest using a lighter pink and darker blue in the userpage link, like this: handatoe ([[User:Handatoe|<span style="background-color: #ffccff; color: # 000066">handatoe</span>]]). The darker background will make the foreground look slightly lighter than it is, which might be useful if you want to put the next to some non-highlighted link and not have one look noticeably darker than the other. – Pretended leer (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

thanks man <span style="background-color: maroon">[[User:UserBob|<span style="color: greenyellow">UserBob</span>]] (talk) 13:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC) but it's still code

@Handatoe: On your preferences page, under the box where you set your signature, you need to turn on the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box. Otherwise, the code will simply display as plain text. – numbermaniac 01:23, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

When to mention race?[edit]


I'm wondering if there is a policy or general understanding about went to state the race of a person on Wikipedia? I noticed that Frances Harper is defined as an African American suffragette, however Susan B. Anthony's race is not mentioned. I'm inclined to edit Susan B. Anthony's to state her race, white, as well.

Thanks for your thoughts on this,

Laila Ibrahim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laila Ibrahim (talkcontribs) 01:56, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Laila Ibrahim, and welcome. Generally speaking, when it comes to what to put in articles, we follow the lead of the reliable sources that have written about the subject. If the sources generally tend to state a specific individual's race, especially also if they explain why it's significant, we should include that in the article. If that's not generally done, we'll likely follow their lead and not make a bigger deal of it than they do. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:59, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Laila Ibrahim please see the WP:EGRS page that has fairly detailed guidance on such "identity" issues. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

It strikes me that if a suffragette of African descent is described as African-American, a suffragette of European descent such as Susan B. Anthony may be fairly described as European-American. Baba Blacq Sheep (talk) 15:16, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Baa Blacq Sheep: you are a new account and perhaps aren't quite clear that this is an encyclopedia. The reasons why race is mentioned sometimes but not other times are explained above. In this case, the vast majority of suffragettes were white, so that wasn't unusual and rarely if ever mentioned in reliable sources. Doug Weller talk 12:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Deleted article - review and help with replublishing[edit]


I've created a new draft ([[1]]) of an article that was deleted ([[2]]).

I've addressed the issues raised and was wondering if an editor was able to review and let me know if there is anything else that should be updated? I'm also not entirely clear on the process of resubmitting an article that was deleted. Any help or guidance with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiseseven (talkcontribs) 10:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The first thing is to read WP:Articles for deletion/Ryan Worsley; you would need to convince any reviewer that the subject's notability has changed since that decisision to delete was taken. Then before you submit for review you need to delete the "references" to Wikipedia; read WP:CIRCULAR. A further step to make life easier for a reviewer is to consolidate reused references. As a more minor point, the inappropriate bold text ought to to be removed,see MOS:BOLD. After all of that you could add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
What is your connection - if any - to Ryan Worsley? I am asking because the original article was deleted in September, your User account created Oct 11, and the only thing you have done is create in your Sandbox a very well structured, competent-looking article about Worsley. P.S. The references in your draft are inadequate for the same reasons noted when the original article was deleted. P.P.S. Please sign your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I've addressed the items you've highlighted including removing all references to wikipedia, deleting all content that does not have a third party source, and adding more third references (news articles) for citations. It appears that there is controversy about notability of music producers (see [[3]]. With only third party references, I'd appreciate feedback on whether you think this accounts for notability under WP:NMUSIC? I am part of the Vancouver music scene (musician) and a friend of Ryan's. I noticed the page was deleted and I wanted to see what could be done, while learning about how to edit/contribute to wikipedia. Here is the adapted article: [[4]]. Thanks for having a look and for your patience with me as I learn the ropes.Wiseseven (talk) 22:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: and @David Biddulph: Thanks for your responses. I've done more research on notability and updated the post with more sources (see previous post above from 22:22). Coincidentally, Ryan Worsley won the 2018 Producer of the Year award this evening at the Western Canadian Music Awards. With this award and the addition of all the third party sources, do you think the new draft [[5]] addresses the notability and sources issues and possible for resubmission? Any other feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Wiseseven (talk) 06:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Better. I did some minor copy-editing. I am not a musicologist, and so cannot comment on notability of references. The big problem is that only the first reference is about Ryan. Once you submit this it will go through the AfC process. Given your friendship with Ryan, I suggest that you declare that on the Talk page as a conflict of interest, for the sake of being transparent.David notMD (talk) 10:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
@David notMD: - thank you for the edit and further feedback. I've added the WP:COI to the talk page and submitted the article. I appreciated your time and guidance on this.Wiseseven (talk) 11:25, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Revenues including references for (international) companies[edit]

Hello hosts,

I usually edit in the german wikipedia, so please forgive me my language skills.

In some of the english articles about companies, I'd like to translate into german, no revenue is shown. I'd prefer to add this information in the english articles before translating them with notables references.

As sources I only know Bloomberg and maybe Forbes, but could you recommend me a general approach to fill in this gap in the articles? Maybe there's already a Wikipedia Help page about this question?

Specific example: DigitalOcean

Many thanks for the help. Best regards --Hundsrose (talk) 15:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hundsrose, as far as I know all companies that are traded on stock exchanges (listed companies) are required to make their annual reports and audits available to the public. According to the English Wikipedia's rules about using primary sources such basic uncontroversial facts and statistics can be sourced from the company's own publications. However if the subject is a private (unlisted) company such information is often simply not available at all. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:10, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello Roger (Dodger67) (talk), thanks for the fast reply and your hints. Is there a place where can I figure out if a company is traded on a stock exchange or do I have to rely on the company webpage? I guess DigitalOcean is not stock listed, but I would like to be sure about that. And also in this case, is there a way to add similiar public information for wikipedia articles about companies to be more transparent? Thanks for the help. --Hundsrose (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Hundsrose. Bloomberg is an excellent source of information about the structure of a business, and they say that DigitalOcean is a private company. That means their stock is not traded on stock exchanges. This company blog post from early this year says that an IPO is part of their long term planning, but I can see no evidence that it it has happened or is imminent. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello Cullen328 Let's discuss it, I can't see the information that DigitalOcean is a private company from the Bloomberg page: DigitalOcean Snapshot. Maybe you can assist me once more? The blog is not only interesting because of their IPO plans. In the first section, the author claims: "We are rapidly approaching $200M in annual recurring revenue ..." . One of the points for the notability of new company articles in german wikipedia is a revenue of minimum EUR100M (about $115M). Would you understand this sentence as a revenue bigger than $115M and therefore notable in german wikipedia (also in case the blog counts as reference source)? --Hundsrose (talk) 23:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
This Company Overview from Bloomberg identifies the company as private, in the categories at the bottom of the page, and also in the URL. Contrast this with the Bloomberg listing for Ford Motor Company which includes the stock market ticker and various stock price statistics at the top of the page. Companies traded on stock exchanges are always listed this way. As for the issues regarding German Wikipedia, I cannot offer much help because I do not know their standards. It is up to them whether they accept a self-published blog's statement about that company's revenue as a reliable source. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello Cullen328 Let's discuss it! Thanks for the eureka effects. My questions have been answered :) --Hundsrose (talk) 13:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Regarding creating permanent web pages[edit]

Hello Everyone in the Teahouse !

I just wanna ask how to create permanent pages on Wikipedia.

Is it essential being popular to be on Wikipedia? Who holds the popular Actor/Actresses/Singer's Wikipedia account?

Who have the authority for creating permanent pages on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dushyant Dubey (talkcontribs) 17:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dushyant Dubey. There is no such thing as a "permanent page" on Wikipedia. Any page can be edited. However, some articles and some other pages are protected by administrators, either to prevent vandalism or for technical reasons. In such cases, requests for changes can be made on the associated talk page. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Dushyant Dubey. Like many people, you misunderstand what Wikipedia is: it is an encyclopaedia, not social media. If we have an article about a person, that article will not belong to the person, and that person (and their associates) will have no control at all over its contents. The article should be a neutrally written summary of what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about them in reliable sources (such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers): if there are no such independent sources, then there cannot be a Wikipedia article about the person.
As for popularity: Wikipedia is not interested in popularity. If a performer is popular, there is a good chance that independent people have published about them, so that they will be regarded as notable, and an article can be written; but that does not necessarily follow, especially if they have only recently become known. And any attempt to use Wikipedia in order to gain popularity is likely to be strongly resisted by the Wikipedia community. --ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
One more point, Dushyant Dubey: anybody may have a user account on Wikipedia, but there is little point unless they intend to edit. But everybody is strongly discouraged from editing any article about themselves: see WP:Autobiography. There is no connection between accounts and articles: most articles get edited by several, sometimes many, different editors (both with accounts and anonymously). --ColinFine (talk) 21:52, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
The issue here is your choice of pronouns. Your user page is a place for some things about you and your intentions as a Wikipedia editor. Use first person pronouns "I". Using third person "He" makes it appear that you intend to write an article about yourself. You had this right at one time, but changed it back. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Range of dates in citation[edit]

The journal Flight International uses a range of dates, rather than a single date, to identify its issues. I wish to cite a page in the issue dated June 25 - 1 July, 1997. Of course, I can simply use June 25, 1997, but is there an acceptable format to use the range of dates? There is no problem with a range such as June 18-24, 1997, incidentally. Thanks. Anobium625 (talk) 18:54, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, there's a guideline for that, and it's at MOS:DATERANGE. For your cases, the dateranges would look like this: "June 25 – July 1, 1997" and "June 18–24, 1997" rchard2scout (talk) 10:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

"Invalid CSRF format?"[edit]

I recently attempted to upload an image, under the photos of deceased persons section, and filled out the copyright form as best I could based on my understanding (it is my understanding that someone more experienced and with the proper user permissions looks it over before giving the file the final "okay"), however as soon as I finished filling out all parameters and hit the upload button, a little pop-up said that it couldn't work because of an "Invalid CSRF format". What is this and how do I fix it? WesSirius (talk) 02:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

How long did it take you to fill out the box? Sometimes, if you leave it alone for a couple hours and come back to it, then try to submit an edit or upload, you'll get an "Invalid CSRF token" error. It's happened to me when trying to make an edit with Twinkle on articles that have been open for a while. – numbermaniac 01:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about Pending Changes Reviews[edit]

Hello, I had a query -

While going through Special:PendingChanges, a lot of times the changes made by unregistered IP accounts "seem" genuine but they are unreferenced. Should such changes be accepted? Spam / vandalism is clearly identifiable though. Csgir (talk) 05:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Schoharie limo crash[edit]

Where is the article, please? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Never mind. Found it. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


I am very confused about the process of constructing a page. I am concerned that there is no SAVE option - and not sure if I am supposed to 'Publish' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dadl (talkcontribs) 10:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

You are not alone in your confusion. The "Save" button was changed by the WMF to "Publish", and they bewildered many people by doing it. If you are constructing your draft either in the Draft namespace or as a userspace draft it won't appear as a published article, and you can save as often as you need to do while you continue to develop your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

DJ Slick stuart and DJ Roja[edit]


I created the but have received the message "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia......." since 26 September 2018. I have made most of changes on the article but guess things aint right yet, I need you helped as referred from one of wikipedia editors.

below i share one of the comments from the editor,

Comment: While the DJs would meet notability standards per WP:NMUSIC, this article is currently written in a way to praise them and sell them to the reader. Articles on Wikipedia need to be in a neutral point of view. So far, that is the major reason why Shadowowl and I have not accepted this draft. I invite you to work with an experienced editor at the Teahouse who can help you add more to this article. Bkissin (talk) 

On standby for your response, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techcherio (talkcontribs) 11:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Techcherio: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not exactly sure what you are asking, but you submitted your draft again without making any changes to it. I have reversed this to give you the chance to work on it. One thing you need to do is remove all promotional language, like "performed in several popular events and shows since their rise to stardom" and "Their recognition as one of the country’s top Deejays has seen them grace same international stages". Articles need to be written in a neutral point of view and can't have promotional opinions; they need to read as very dull. You also should find more independent reliable sources that discuss what they do and the DJs themselves in depth, in order to expand the article. 331dot (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Techcherio. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia has no interest at all in what you (or I, or any random person on the internet) knows, or thinks or believes about the subject of an article. None. It also has not much interest in what the subject of an article thinks about themselves. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about them, and an article should be based almost 100% on those independent sources - though not in the same words, so as not to infringe their copyright. --ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The editors who gave answers above are right on the facts! However, with all possible respect to them, I have some doubts whether "Articles must be very dull" and "Wikipedia doesn't care what you think" are the best ways to word their thoughts on the issue. Those turns of phrase seem a little turnoffy & may not be well thought out. Don't tase me, bro. Baba Blacq Sheep (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Those are both accurate statements about what Wikipedia is interested in. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

How to add user boxes to my user page?[edit]

How can I add userboxes in my user page?Md.Ali25 (talk) 12:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, Md.Ali25. You should find everything you need at WP:Userboxes. --ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing dispute.[edit]

What do I do if I'm in dispute with another editor? JohnthePilot (talk) 13:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, JohnthePilot. I see you're already discussing on the talk page Talk:Temperature (I assume that's what you're referring to). If you can't reach consensus, then WP:dispute resolution tells you how to proceed. --ColinFine (talk) 14:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Colin. Yes, that was what I was referring to.JohnthePilot (talk) 17:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

This dispute has been resolved amicably.JohnthePilot (talk) 10:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Infobox queries: Changing category name, framing and resizing of photo, and links within[edit]

First up, I entered an award to the infobox (template for writers) and in source editing mode I see it is called "awards" but when I publish the change it appears as "Notable awards". As I recall, there is the option of it just saying "awards", yes? Second, I see in a tutorial video here [[6]] there is a way to get to advanced settings and make adjustments to a photo. But when I try and access (via VE or source editing) that menu with a photo already placed within an infobox I don't see them. I may wish to: a. Resize, b. Get rid of the frame, c. Center the image in the infobox. Lastly, does content in the infobox, such as a book title or award name, need to be hyperlinked when each are linked in the main body of the article? Any help would be most appreciated. PaulThePony (talk) 14:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Paul


I was asking if there is any way/hack to move pages without creating redirects? This is the privilege that Page Movers have. Asking for the permission if not an option for me. I will be rejected without a second thought. I don't want to create unnecessary redirects. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 14:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Harshrathod50, fancy seeing you here in the Teahouse!
Redirects are normally left behind by page moves so that links, not just on Wikipedia, but anywhere on the web are not unnecessarily broken by the move. Some redirects can be tagged for speedy deletion if they meet certain criteria and you can tag them if you are sure that's the right thing to do. Autoconfirmed users can move pages onto redirects under certain circumstances (most notably, to undo a move), but the temporary name will remain as a redirect unless tagged and deleted. It doesn't take admins long to evaluate whether a tagged redirect should be deleted or no. For instance, if you make a spelling mistake on a move and do a second move to the correct spelling, one has to consider whether the spelling mistake is unusual or if it might happen to other people with enough frequency that the misspelling should remain as a redirect. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand but redirects are consequences of page moves but for example if I knew beforehand that I don't need that redirect then there should be some way to stop it from being created. To delete the redirect, one has to tag it for deletion by editing it, and when it gets deleted, the user gets +2 to his deleted edits count. I just want as much less deleted edits as possible. Is there any way? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 17:23, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


I would like to add my pete duel memorial club to the pete duel wikpedia information page please. it's the oldest club for pete, and founded by myself in 1983. thank you jan busell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janheyesfan (talkcontribs) 14:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Janheyesfan. I doubt that that would be appropriate, I'm afraid: this is an encyclopaedia, not a directory. In any case, ELNO gives the information to make a judgment. --ColinFine (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Protecting articles[edit]

This thing where articles which one would think completely uncontroversial are protected against edits seems out of control. The articles for chicken & for Mercury are protected; what could be so controversial about those subjects that edits to the articles must be stopped? I recall seeing some other protected articles recently that surprised me also but these look like particularly glaring examples of mundaneness. What can the problems be that these articles simply must be protected? I won't read a Wikipedia article which cannot be edited for bad grammar & punctuation; why would I bother? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baba Blacq Sheep (talkcontribs) 14:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Baba Blacq Sheep: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles are not protected just because the subject is controversial; they are protected when the article is edited disruptively(which usually happens with controversial subjects, but not always). This can include excessive vandalism, edit warring, or any other disruptive editing to an article. If you feel that the protection of an article is no longer necessary, you can appeal to this noticeboard in the appropriate section. If you would like to make an edit to an article that is protected and you cannot, (there are different levels of protection) you should make an edit request on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
@Baba Blacq Sheep: As a volunteer who does a lot of work reverting vandalism, I will tell you that Chicken and Mercury (planet) are the subject of near-daily vandalism, presumably from schoolchildren, as are many articles regarding common animals, planets, historical figures, and the like. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 22:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
@Baba Blacq Sheep: Both Chicken and Mercury (planet) are semi-protected which means you can edit them when your account is at least four days old and has made ten edits. This is the most common protection level. Vandalism levels and poor edits in general are more related to page views than controversy. The articles have 79,251 and 115,863 page views in the past 30 days. That's a lot of potential vandals if anyone can edit them. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Organization notability[edit]

Hi folks,

I'm working with a US nonprofit organization that is ... well... really amazing. It was the first org in the US to support gifted children of color in gaining admission and navigating the experiences of prestigious private and public schools they would not otherwise have had access to. They're still the only org with such a mission operating across the country.

I'm pretty sure they're noteworthy, but they haven't kept third party articles about themselves well, so I basically have recent googleable news coverage (which is substantial) to cite.

My initial attempt at drafting them an article was rejected because it didn't demonstrate noteworthiness. I would be surprised if that were a matter of the organization actually not being noteworthy so much as my relative inexperience as a contributor. Would anyone be willing to look at what I have so far and help me figure out what it needs to become a credible stub? I know there are resources, but to be honest, there are so many and they are all so extensive that I'm finding them more of a barrier than a help to contributing.

The organization is now called A Better Chance. They were founded as PROJECT ABC at Dartmouth College in 1963, the year after James Meredith started to attend the University of Mississippi. Jackie Robinson visited with their first incoming class to offer encouragement. It's worth remembering and noting. I just am floundering along the way.

Thanks for any help. I don't know if it's obviously attached to my account or not, but I think I could share what I came up with if anyone needed to see it to give me substantive feedback.

- TurbineSpinning — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurbineSpinning (talkcontribs) 15:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@TurbineSpinning: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for your questions. Is there a reason that you created a different username than the one you used to create your draft?
Regarding your draft, it currently does little more than state that this organization exists. Any article needs to indicate with independent reliable sources how the organization is notable per the relevant notability guidelines, in this case those for organizations. You have listed sources, but not included content from the sources in the article. As Wikipedia only summarizes what third parties state about article subjects, article content needs to be derived from those sources. As you work for this organization, in writing the draft you need to forget everything you know about the organization, and only write based on what the independent sources state. Primary sources can only be used in a limited fashion. It sounds like this organization might meet the notability criteria, but the draft needs to show it.
If you haven't already, you may find reading Your First Article helpful. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I have accepted the article. It is a short stub, but is clearly notable - there are several good sources that contain sufficient detail about the subject. Notability does not in fact require that such sources are used in the article, it is sufficient that such sources merely exist. The discussion here is longer than the article, please use the referenced sources, and others you might find, to expand the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
TurbineSpinning the Dartmouth College library might have some useful early source material. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
331dot There was some sort of technical tangle involved in the username, likely wrapped up in my not understanding something and blundering through a wall. Sorry about that. They were both me. TurbineSpinning (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Dodger67 Thank you! I am trying to enlist some help, maybe from involved alumni, in research and drafting. I noticed the stub said the article was undergoing major revision and NOT to edit it right now - was that someone actively editing right then? Also, if I can get historic photos and documents from the organization itself, are those okay to use, or do they have to come from Dartmouth's library, say? argh, at this point I just hope I've replied correctly. This has gotten considerably more complicated since last I tried to work on an article in earnest. TurbineSpinning (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, it was me that left the "In use" tag up after my initial cleanup after I accepted it to mainspace. I got ditracted and forgot to remove it. I suggested the Dartmouth library as that's where it began, they might have collected some early press coverage. As long as a source had been properly published, it can be used. Unpublished private documents such as letter, minutes, etc, cannot be used as sources, unless they are in a professionally curated collection that is accessible in a public or academic library, museum or archive. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about List of fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles[edit]

If the main list for fictional elements and materials is for major fictional elements and materials, why is Frinkonium on the main list for fictional elements and materials? — Preceding unsigned comment added by REDsEngineer (talkcontribs) 16:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Probably because that's where the editor who added that item decided to put it, or possibly because there was originally only one list which (and I'm guessing here) was split into two when it became inconveniently long, and Frinkonium was overlooked.
You are free to be bold, transfer it to Minor fictional elements and materials, and see if anybody reverts you. I myself would agree with the transfer.
Thanks for drawing my attention to the lists, by the way, I'm considering adding Cheddite from Harry Harrison's novel Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 16:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
As far as I know, the list was never split in two. I added Minor fictional elements and materials when I gave up trying to make a page for the minor fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles. Also, Minor fictional elements and materials was removed because I added it as a new section so people could get around the fact that the only broad list for fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles was only for major fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles, and adding a new section so people can get around the inclusion criteria isn't proper, and I'm supposed to initiate a discussion about changing the inclusion criteria, and somehow convince people to change the inclusion criteria, when I can't even write an essay. FML. REDsEngineer (talk) 18:19, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Oh and also frinkonium is major apparentlyREDsEngineer (talk) 19:23, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

A second question[edit]

How do I make a disambiguation without having to go through the draft stage? --REDsEngineer (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Until your account is autoconfirmed you can't create an article directly in mainspace. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Where to bring a matter up[edit]

Someone I believe an administrator has claimed that an article I wrote (which he deleted) made unfair use of non-free material. I believe he was mistaken. Without going into the details, where should I bring this up so as to, in essence, appeal what he did, to have someone else look at it? Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 16:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I see that this has already been discussed at length here, where, it seems to me, all your complaints have been fully answered. Maproom (talk) 16:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
... and the 2 articles in question have been listed at WP:Copyright problems, so will be investigated there. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
My complaints have NOT been fully answered. I want someone to actually look at the 80% that I am alleged to have copied, put what I wrote next to what I supposedly copied from, and tell me where the copying is. Is it that I took the list of ten monunents they are focusing on from their Web page even though what I wrote about each monument is, with a few exceptions, original?
I would like to add that this whole thing has been brought up in a discorteous, even insulting way, as if I were some cockroach who crawled out of the woodwork to steal things and waste your time. I don’t believe I deserve that treatment, nor is it the way I understand WP editors are supposed to interact.
Finally, my question here has not been answered. Specifically where may I defend myself? Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 17:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Since the articles, as already mentioned, are listed at WP:Copyright problems, somebody who is experienced in copyright matters and uninvolved in the previou discussion will investigate the issue (and actually look at the content you are alleged to have copied). --bonadea contributions talk 17:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

List of User Boxes[edit]

Is there a compilation of user boxes on Wikipedia? Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:34, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Alternate Side Parking, yes, see Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:42, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Emailing Users[edit]

There is an option to allow other users to email me. How will they know my email address? Is there a form they fill out that emails me through Wikipedia? Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Alternate Side Parking, yes, there is a form, at Special:EmailUser/Alternate_Side_Parking (accessed through "email this user" link on the side) Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Alternate Side Parking (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Error while creating my user page[edit]

Hi all! I'm new to the wikipedia community so facing a few problems, would be helpful if anyone could help me out! While trying to publish my user page i got a error - global "ntsamr" spambot pattern filter and told me to get in touch with an admin regarding this. How can i resolve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cr29uva (talkcontribs) 19:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cr29uva, welcome to Wikipedia. If your attempted edit contained a link to another website it might have been one the spambot filter identified as problematic. Try first adding some plain text without any links to the page, just to get the page started. After that subsequent edits might help you figure out which specific content tripped the filter. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:57, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Dodger67: It worked. Thanks!

Frank Broyles[edit]

How do I edit a table within an article? The table of Broyles' coaching record shows that Arkansas finished 1st in the Southwest Conference in 1961 and went to the Sugar Bowl. In fact they tied with Texas. If Ark had won outright they would have been obligated to go to the Cotton Bowl. Both teams had a 6-1 conf. record, with Tex beating Ark 33-7 but losing to TCU 0-6. Only source is memory, but Wikipedia article on Darrell Royal, Tex coach at time, shows that Tex and Ark tied for 1st in 1961. Both articles cannot be right.(VinlFvr (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2018 (UTC))

The Wikipedia Adventure[edit]

Hi i'm Robert and i'm working on the Wikipedia adventure mission 7 I am trying to edit the headings on planet earth page, have mad many corrections but it won't let me go anywhere. Do you have any suggestions to complete this mission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertoeford (talkcontribs) 01:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Robertoeford, And welcome to the Teahouse. There are two issues which often cause problems to users on The Wikipedia Adventure. Firstly, it's not very mobile phone friendly so it's better to do it on a desktop/laptop if you have one. (See the notice on its start page for other possible issues). Secondly, somewhere around Mission six or seven I also remember getting stuck. I couldn't find any way to move forward, only to discover a pop-up into which I was required to enter data - it was hidden away, right low down at the extreme bottom of the page. So do scroll down to check if you've missed anything. Please come back and let me know if, and how, you've resolved your problem, and don't forget to sign every talk page post with four keyboard tilde characters (like this: ~~~~). Thanks, and good luck with your Mission - there are 15 badges to collect in total, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Ready for review[edit]

Is there someplace in Wiki-land that I should stop by other than the Teahouse to ask for someone, a helpful article expert, to review a draft person page I've edited that's (hopefully) ready to be approved for publishing? PaulThePony (talk) 02:26, 13 October 2018 (UTC)Paul

Hello again PaulThePony and welcome back to the Teahouse.
Some of the helpers here in the Teahouse will do pre-reviews of drafts when asked, but the best place for this service is the Articles for Creation help desk where the main purpose is helping editor navigate AfC. Of course, you can just submit your draft for review and get feedback in the normal course of things. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 05:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, jmcgnh, for that information which is very helpful to me. Always good to know where to go for specific forms of assistance. I submitted the draft for review and just got it approved with a C grade. I didn't fail! I still have some work to do but it's good news for sure!

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2018[edit]

Extended content

ប្រវត្តិសាស្ត្រឃុំចង្ហា ចង្ហាជាឃុំមួយដែលស្ថិតនៅក្នុងស្រុកអូរជ្រៅ ខេត្តបន្ទាយមានជ័យ អតីតដែនដីខេត្តបាត់ដំបង។ ឃុំដ៏តូចមួយនេះមានប្រវត្តិដ៏យូរលង់មកហើយទាក់ទងទៅនឹងទំនាក់ទំនងនិងការរស់នៅរបស់ជនជាតិខ្មែរម្ចាស់ស្រុក និងជនជាតិចិនចំណូលថ្មីរហូតដល់ក្លាយជាឈ្មោះឃុំចង្ហាមកទល់នឹងបច្ចុប្បន្ន។ តាមការតំណាលតគ្នា កាលពីរាប់រយឆ្នាំមុន ចង្ហាជាឃុំមួយដែលមានជនជាតិចិនជាច្រើនបានមករស់នៅប្រកបរបររកស៊ីចិញ្ចឹមជីវិតនៅលើទឹកដីចំណាស់មួយនេះ។ ការចូលមករស់នៅរបស់ជនជាតិចិននៅក្នុងឃុំចង្ហាក្នុងសម័យនោះ ទំនងមកពីកត្តាចម្បងធំៗបីយ៉ាង ទី១ ការគេចវេសពីការកាប់សម្លាប់នៅក្នុងសម័យសង្គ្រាមរ៉ាំរ៉ៃ ការចូលបម្រើកងទ័ពដែលបណ្ដាលមកពីអស្ថេរភាពផ្នែកនយោបាយនិងការឈ្លានពានពីអាណាចក្រក្បែរខាង។ ទី២ មកពីគ្រោះទុរភិក្សអត់ឃ្លានដែលបង្ខំឱ្យជនជាតិចិនសម័យនោះចុះមកទិសខាងត្បូងដែលជាដែនដីជ្រោយសុវណ្ណភូមិដើម្បីរកទីកន្លែងថ្មីប្រកបរបរចិញ្ចឹមជីវិត។ និងទី៣ អាចមកពីទំលាប់របស់ជនជាតិចិនខ្លួនឯងផ្ទាល់ក្នុងសម័យនោះចិនដែលចូលចិត្តការផ្សងព្រេងតាមតំបន់ផ្សេងៗតាមបែបពន្លេចរនិងតាមរយៈការធ្វើជំនួញ។ ប្រហែលមកពីរលកធំៗទាំងនេះហើយដែលបានបក់បោករុញច្រានជនជាតិចិនទាំងនោះឱ្យរសាត់មកដល់ទឹកដីសុវណ្ណភូមិដ៏ធំល្វឹងល្វើយដែលមានភូមិសាស្ត្រអំណោយផលសម្រាប់ជនជាតិចិន នោះគឺអាណាចក្រខ្មែរ ដែលក្នុងនោះទំនងជាមានជនជាតិចិនមួយក្រុមចូលមករស់នៅក្នុងភូមិចំណាស់មួយនេះផងដែរ។ មែនទែនទៅពាក្យថា “ចង្ហា” ដែលជាឈ្មោះឃុំមួយដែលស្ថិតនៅក្នុងខេត្តបន្ទាយមានជ័យបច្ចុប្បន្នមានប្រភពដើមមកពីពាក្យថា ចិនហាល ។ ពាក្យថា ចិនហាល នេះជាឈ្មោះឃុំមួយដែលត្រូវបានគេប្រសិទ្ធនាមឡើងក្នុងអតីតកាលដោយផ្អែកលើតថភាពសង្គមដែលឆ្លុះបញ្ចាំងពីជីវភាពប្រជាជនចិនចំណូលថ្មីនៅក្នុងសម័យនោះ។ បន្ទាប់ពីការចូលមករស់នៅក្នុងទីកន្លែងថ្មី ជនជាតិចិនទាំងនោះភាគច្រើននិយមប្រកបររបបាញ់សត្វ និងបិតស្រាដើម្បីធ្វើការរកស៊ីដោះដូរជាមួយជនជាតិខ្មែរម្ចាស់ស្រុក។ ជនជាតិចិនទាំងនោះនិយមយកស្បែកសត្វដែលបបាញ់បានទៅហាលដើម្បីយកមកបម្រើប្រយោជន៍ផ្សេងៗ។ ជីវភាពការរស់នៅរបស់ចិនសម័យនោះទំនងមានភាពខុសគ្នាពីម្ចាស់ស្រុក។ ខុសគ្នាត្រង់ថាជនជាតិខ្មែរយើងចូលចិត្តប្រកបរបរកសិកម្មប្រពៃណី ចំណែកចិនចូលចិត្តប្រកបរបរជួញដូរ។ ដោយឃើញពីការប្រកបរបរ ការរស់នៅរបស់ជនជាតិចិន និងបានឃើញចិនចូលចិត្តហាលស្បែកសត្វ ពួកគេក៏បានដាក់ឈ្មោះភូមិនោះថា ភូមិចិនហាល ដែលចង់សម្ដៅថាចិនហាលស្បែកសត្វ។ លុះក្រោយៗមកទៀតពាក្យថា ចិនហាល បានក្លាយទៅជាចង្ហារហូតបច្ចុប្បន្ន។ ជាតឹកតាងប្រវត្តិសាស្ត្រភូមិចិនហា ឬ ចង្ហា បានបន្សល់ទុកនូវឈ្មោះស្រះទឹកតូចមួយនៅក្នុងវត្តសិលាអណ្ដែតដែលត្រូវបានគេហៅតៗគ្នាថា “ស្រះចិន” ពីមួយជំនាន់ទៅមួយជំនាន់ដល់សព្វថ្ងៃនេះ។ តាមរយៈស្រះទឹកប្រវត្តិសាស្ត្រមួយនេះ អាចធ្វើឱ្យយើងយល់ថាជនជាតិចិនទំនងជាតាំងទីលំនៅក្បែរស្រះនោះដើម្បីប្រកបរបរនិងការរស់នៅរបស់ពួកគេក្នុងសម័យនោះដែលមានទីតាំងក្នុងភូមិប៉ោយវត្ត ឃុំចង្ហាបច្ចុប្បន្ននេះ។

Share this: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tachroeng (talkcontribs) 06:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

This is an English Wikipedia so try to write in English and do not edit here if you cannot and please be sure to sign your comment when you write in teahouse or any user’s talk page but do not sign when editing articles.Md.Ali25 (talk) 07:33, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
@Tachroeng: Requests should be made, in English, on the talk page of the relevant article on English Wikipedia. (We have no involvement in any other language version -each is independently run.) If your request does relate to the English version of Wikipedia, you should use the {{edit semi-protected}} template to draw attention to your request. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft problem[edit]

Hi I've submited a biography here a week ago and had some source and refrence problems Now I've solved them but still it has not submitted to wp correctly and it is still draft What should I do??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamidrezamodanlou (talkcontribs) 10:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Hamidrezamodanlou. No, you did not submit your draft; in fact, in your first edit after creating it you deleted the template that allowed you to submit it for review: I have just restored that. You can now submit your draft by picking the button. But don't do that yet! Please read referencing for beginners. Wikipedia articles rely on what people who have no connection to the subject have chosen to publish about the subject: that is what most of the article should be based on, and what most of your references should be to: not sources by Mohseni and his associates. --ColinFine (talk) 11:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
This draft is not up to Wikipedia standards for so many reasons. Delete all of the Youtube links. References are to be inserted in the body of the text, so as to create superscripted numbers that link to a reference list. References are not supposed to be just URLs. As advised above, read referencing for beginners. The text has many sentences that are not neutral in tone, nor supported by a reference. David notMD (talk) 13:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Also, when you first posted a question at Teahouse, you were asked what is your connection to Mohseni? Because Draft:Anoushiravan mohseni is the only article you have edited. If you know him personally or are working for him (or are him?) you need to understand and declare issues about conflict of interest and paid editing. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


Please, how can i add an image — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhymesakins (talkcontribs) 11:04, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Rhymesakins, where is the image at present? On Wikimedia Commons? In your camera? On the internet? The answer is very different for those three cases. Maproom (talk) 13:10, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Introductory articles[edit]

I recently came across Introduction to entropy, and also found Cateogry:Introductory articles. Is there a policy on introductory articles? Can't find a WP namespace page regarding these articles. It seems like a cool concept and could be expanded to more topics. Koopatrev (talk; contrib) 12:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

can mak u one how Lugivgi board?[edit]

OH — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:07, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. If it is about editing Wikipedia, then please explain it more fully, and tell us which Wikipedia article it is about. If it is not about editing Wikipedia, then I'm afraid this is not the right place for it.

--ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)


Hi again.I've added some more refrences and now I need someones help to review my article and improve it and make it looks better. Thanks a lot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamidrezamodanlou (talkcontribs) 13:53, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

You asked this question a few hours ago here (see above), and were answered there. You also asked at Help. Please do not ask in more than one place or repeat asking, and please do sign your comments by typing four of ~. David notMD (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

About disambiguation pages[edit]

Is a disambiguation page which only links to deleted/non-existent pages eligible for speedy deletion under G8? CoolSkittle (talk) 14:19, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi CoolSkittle. I would say no, Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G8 does not apply. But some administators may use G8 in some cases. Do you have an example in mind? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
It is eligible under G6, not G8. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I would look at "View history" to see if the disambiguation page is recently created or past dated. If new, another editor may be preparing to add the linked pages, and so I would recommend keeping. Otherwise if the page has no recent activity, then proceed with deletion. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 18:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

My First Article[edit]

Hi. Can somebody please review my first article that is available in my sandbox. I have spent a lot of time finding and adding citations. Will appreciate inputs on how I can improve it and any errors i may have made.Would also like clarity on what is the next step to publishing this article on Wikipedia. Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumantomondal (talkcontribs) 14:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sumantomondal, to have your draft reviewed you need to submit it. Please put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. Be sure to include the double curly braces. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:40, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

What kind of element is this?[edit]

Hi, a newbie question here, I found a strange table on one of the pages which has only a title in '{{}}' with no description of its contents, yet it renders with many rows and columns. I pasted a copy into my user page User:Zoted. What kind of an element is this and how do I update it (info in it is getting out of date)? Thanks for your help. Zoted (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

The template in question is Template:Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:21, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Zoted. Text in {{...}} is usually a template call. See Help:A quick guide to templates. User:Zoted says {{Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic}}. This means it calls Template:Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic. Some templates can be called with different parameters to influence the result with special template code but this one just displays what is on the template page. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Composition of the Senate of the Czech Republic shows two articles with "(transclusion)", meaning the template is displayed in both articles. It is made as a template to avoid copying all the code into two articles and having to manually keep the two versions synchronized when a change is made. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, now I see how it works. Zoted (talk) 16:32, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Runway debut[edit]

Hello, I just wanted to confirm something. Jessica Jung made her major runway debut at Milan Fashion Week by walking for Dolce & Gabbana. Is a major runway debut not worthy of inclusion on her page? Thank you! Jesstan01 (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jesstan01, the article about Jessica Jung details her music career and to a lesser extent her "fashion label". There is just one bare mention in the lead that she is a model. This creates the impression that her modelling career is insignificant.
You should start a discussion on the article talk page, with DragonFury (and anyone else who might be interested) about including detail of her modelling career, which would probably need to be about more than just a single "walk". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Conflicting information in article[edit]

I’m trying to clean up the grammar for an article about suicide bombings. One section names the perpetrator as one person but another section names someone else. The source for the first name isn’t in English so I can’t verify the information. How should this be handled? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prancingzebra (talkcontribs) 17:10, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

The place to discuss apparent problems with an article is on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:14, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Why cant I add something[edit]

Please remove that protection — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Rangariii (talkcontribs) 17:16, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Malik Rangariii, welcome to the Teahouse. There's usually a very good reason why a particular page has been specially protected - usually because of prolonged vandalism. But you haven't even told us what page you referring to, so we can't even comment why protection is required. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Is this ok?[edit]

If someone posted this to another editor's talk page to seek their help is it ok or is it canvassing or something else?

"Someone seems to be ignoring criticism and filling a certain talk page with naval gazing. I'm pretty sure that's a violation of some rule or another. I'm not saying there's enough umbilical scar tissue observation at the moment to justify an ANI thread, but the way things are going... Well, let's just say there seem likely to be multiple methods of halting the momentum of that talk page."

It seems to me like they are are trying shut down discussion, not trying to broaden participation, especially since the editor they posted it to is already involved. Morgan Leigh | Talk 22:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

As long as you know when to stop, you can get away with almost anything at Wikipedia. It's not the mistake which is a matter of being blocked or banned, but persisting in that mistake. Exceptions: outing and legal threats. Tgeorgescu (talk) 14:00, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Tgeorgescu, you are presently involved in disputing me in the same matter as the quoted user so I don't think it's appropriate for you to answer this question. Morgan Leigh | Talk 23:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Try the following good advice, from a well respected editor - ":As long as you know when to stop, you can get away with almost anything at Wikipedia. It's not the mistake which is a matter of being blocked or banned, but persisting in that mistake. Exceptions: outing and legal threats." -Roxy, in the middle. wooF 07:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


i alos whant to make doremon117.237.217.7 (talk) 02:20, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, IP user, I have no idea what you are asking. Please make your question clearer. --ColinFine (talk) 09:00, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Adding a character on Wikipedia[edit]

Dear helper

I know one an aspiring character , he is a journalist and econmeist He has been very successful in his work as he now almost the CEO of a company , as he writes for for an Arabic well known E newspaper red by Arabs around the globe , he has PHD in accounting and he is going to start his own business very soon as will he has been on TV interviews and radios many times , he has more than 5,000 followers on twitter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulrahim AJ (talkcontribs) 02:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You will find the notability criteria at WP:BIO. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
When I see the words "aspiring", "almost", and "very soon", in your question, I suspect the answer must be "No, not yet. Wait until he is notable." Maproom (talk) 08:12, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


How do we change edit to edit source on the plant earth research page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertoeford (talkcontribs) 03:01, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Note: this appears to relate to The Wikipedia Adventure, rather than to an article. --ColinFine (talk) 13:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


Hi all,

I work for NRMA Insurance ( IAG) and trying to set up our own NRMA Insurance wiki page. At the moment there is an NRMA page which relates to Motoring and Services / Roadside assistance.

Its very confusing as people see NRMA as the same brand but really they are different.

How do I go about a separate NRMA Insurance page as the reality is that it should be two different pages. There is info about NRMA Insurance on the motoring and services page and have tried cutting and passing it before to create a NRMA Insurance page but it doesn't let me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Nick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrmainsurance (talkcontribs) 05:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

See Insurance_Australia_Group for the parent company. See NRMA Insurance for the block log of repeated attempts to create the article. You will have to make a good case to get an article created. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 06:17, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
You are blocked until change Username, as names are for individuals, not companies or groups of people. Also read WP:PAID to learn the extra steps required when a person is employed by what they want to write about. David notMD (talk) 09:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Where to appeal a decision[edit]

An administrator has deleted an article I wrote because he says I have taken material from non-free sources without permission. I believe he is mistaken. Where should I bring this up so that a third party with authority would look at it and compare what I wrote with the quite different text I am accused of borrowing from? Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 11:19, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You may ask the deleting administrator on his/her talk page. —AE (talkcontributions) 11:23, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
There is already a lengthy debate about extent of copyright infringement at Deisenbe's Talk page, so taking it up with the Administrator (Editor?) who triggered the Speedy Deletion does not move the problem forward.David notMD (talk) 14:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
The question was also asked and answered at #Where to bring a matter up above. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Article approval process[edit]

Hello. An editor has come by to check out a new draft article I have worked on (more or less from start to finish). He noted one URL usage problem that I've corrected. He also noted something more as a concern but not as something that needs to be changed necessarily.

Is there an admin/editor out here in Teahouse-land whose primary work within WP is to encouragingly review and offer constructive guidance, re: new draft articles? I've attempted to be adopted to no avail. They aren't at work here often, apparently, but I looked at the list for someone who described what they did as 'being very helpful in offering supportive guidance at any point through publication.' Are you out there?

Thanks! PaulThePony (talk) 14:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)Paul

Hello, PaulThePony, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is probably about Draft:Andrea Scrima. If you want more opinions, you can post here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. While you can link to the German Wikipedia that way, many of us prefer another method: {{Interlanguage link}}. It renders: Literaturverlag Drosch (de). Maybe the commenter mistook them for links to some other website (as I did, initially). – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 14:50, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Your counsel is much appreciated, Finnusertop. It is good to know where to get the appropriate kind of help. I will look into utilizing this: {{Interlanguage link}}. Is this employed only in source edit mode or is it available also using VE? Again, thank you. PaulThePony (talk) 06:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)Paul

User page deleted?[edit]

Hello, I think my user page no longer exists. I can log in via my pc, but have seen a notice saying the page no longer exists. I'm afraid I don't know what to do. Can you help? *ptrs4all* (talk) 15:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, your user page has not been deleted you can see it here User:*ptrs4all*. Theroadislong (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I think I got myself in a pickle!*ptrs4all* (talk) 16:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

How to add photographs of physical newspaper articles to references?[edit]

Tea is like TeaHouse. Lnaceri000 (talk) 18:08, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there

How do I add citations which are photographs of newspaper & magazine articles (as they do not exist online)? I have read a number of help articles but cannot find anything on this topic. Thank you. (Tommyvanj (talk) 20:22, 14 October 2018 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommyvanj (talkcontribs) 20:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

The short answer is that you don’t. You can cite the paper by giving the appropriate information, per WP:CITE, you can use the {{Cite news}} template and just fill in the fields. Uploading such photographs is probably not acceptable fair use. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

What about adding it into a different section like footnotes, or uploading the photograph to a server online and linking to the URL in the citation?Tommyvanj (talk) 21:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Tommyvanj: Sorry, that sounds tempting, but it's still not OK in most circumstances. Unless the image - or the newspaper itself - is out of copyright, and thus freely available, it's not an acceptable work-around to link to third party websites in the way you suggest. Your uploading of that image of a newspaper would, itself, be a breach of copyright, and so links to copyright material (text or image) would likely be removed from Wikipedia, or flagged up with a {{copyvioel}} template to draw editors' attention to possible infringement by linking. See WP:COPYLINKS for guidance on this, plus Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard where discussion on copyright violations in External Links are discussed. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Bear in mind, Tommyvanj, that there is no requirement that sources be available online. Obviously it's convenient if they are, but they don't have to be. What's important is that they have been (reliably) published, so that they are in principle obtainable, eg through a major library; and that enough bibliographic information is given to locate them. If they're already online, fine (as long as they are not breaching copyright) but it's not usually appropriate to put them on the internet somewhere just so that they can be linked from a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


How hard is Huggle? Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 20:32, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Greetings Thegooduser and Welcome to the Teahouse. Even though I have not used Huggle, you can learn more about it here. Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 13:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Code of conduct when covering corporate scandals[edit]

Hi, I've started a new article on the Danske Bank money laundering scandal, as it's obviously notable by now. I also think an objective article on this is badly needed and would ask for anyone interested to help build the article. My only question is, if there are any specific codes of conduct when covering corporations? As an article on the topic of corporate fraud it looks similar to the Wells Fargo account fraud scandal. Thanks. Blomsterhagens (talk) 21:32, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Blomsterhagens. I'm not sure what you mean by a Code of Conduct. The constraints are the same as for any other article: find reliably published sources, independent of the subject if possible, and report only what is in those sources. Do not use any language which might be seen as evaluative (positive or negative) unless you are explicitly quoting a specific source. Do not attempt any sort of argumentation or conclusion except what is actually in a single source (i.e., avoid original research). Include sources from all sides of the issue, giving appropriate weight if there is more material available on one side or another. --ColinFine (talk) 22:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Erase and Forget - notability question[edit]

Hi, I would be grateful for feedback from experienced editors on draft submission Erase and Forget for a film, which I've just had rejected. This is a film that screened at two major film festivals and was nominated for an award at one. As evidence of notability I included full length reviews from third party sources including The Guardian, Financial Times, The Times, Frieze magazine etc. The person who the film is about, Bo Gritz, is also notable and has a lengthy Wikipedia page.

I don't know what more I can add to this, other than more reviews, but after 18 years of programming cinemas, I can easily pick out other films on Wikipedia that are arguably less notable! Would be grateful for any tips on this. With many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JKHBlair (talkcontribs) 22:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, JKHBlair. Please limit yourself to debating the notabilty of this specific topic. If you start saying "but films X, Y and Z are even less notable!" then your fellow editors are highly likely to react very negatively. Please abandon that line of argument, since you are an advocate for including this film. I cannot access the Financial Times review but the two Guardian reviews are possible indications of notabilty. A problem is that the subject of the film, Bo Gritz, is widely perceived by reliable sources as a fringe, extremist figure in U.S. politics. I think that I am stating the obvious, and you should be aware that such articles will get a heightened level of scrutiny, for very good reasons. So, use only the very best reliable sources for your draft article, and consider adding this content to the Gritz biography instead, if other editors concur that a separate article about this film is not appropriate at this time. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply Cullen28 and I apologise for my initial response. It took me completely by surprise that the Erase and Forget page would be rejected so quickly - within an hour or two of submission - while the other page I'm working on takes so long to be reviewed! However, I am still learning the ways of all this. I will attempt resubmission as there are more third party reviews that can be added that I hope would show notability of Erase and Forget - from Sight and Sound which is the key film criticism magazine in the UK, Time Out, Evening Standard newspaper etc. There are also interviews on BBC World Service and Russia Today, which I hadn't added as was concerned they would be viewed as 'promotional'. Several of the independent reviews mention that the film functions as a subtle analysis of some aspects of recent and contemporary American politics, so I can also make that clearer in the entry as I think this may be a reason for it having its own page. It's not a biography. Thanks for your advice. JKHBlair (talk) 09:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Need help designing / editing an infobox[edit]

Hi all, I need some guidance on how to design an infobox from scratch or edit an existing one. I am currently going through these pages - Manual of Style/Infoboxes, Wikipedia:Template namespace and Help:Designing infoboxes but was hoping if somebody could give me an easier way of doing it.

My purpose is to make an infobox for Indian parliament committees along the lines of this one - Template:Infobox U.S. congressional committee. I need to change the template data and corresponding documentation to ensure that the references are lined up according to the indian data and should not link back to the american ones. How to do that ?

Hoping for an easy answer. Cheers --Politicoindian (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

adding citation (and then adding the citation to the reference list)[edit]

I am not clear how to addition citations when I edit and then how to add those citations to the Reference section in the formation of the reference section (see case reports).


Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to make it better and for wanting to add citations for your additions. Please read WP:REFB, it is the getting started guide for referencing. If you have additional questions, please don't hesitate to ask. RudolfRed (talk) 23:36, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Page update[edit]

Hi I was hoping you could update the Saracens Past players page on your site, I was a member of the Saracens Squad during the 1997/8 season

I am mentioned in the Statbunker page

I am George Luck — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Luck (talkcontribs) 23:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello George. We don't appear to have a page (or rather Article) titled 'Saracens past players' (which is why an attempt to link it shows in red): the nearest I can find is Section 5.4 of the Saracens F.C. article, called Notable former players – is this what you meant?
If so, you'll notice that every one of the names in that list is a blue wikilink to a complete Wikipedia article about that player, and to have such an article means the person concerned is "notable" in the special Wikipedia sense, which is that enough material for an article about them has been found in several published Reliable sources. Such material needs to be discussion or description extended over several paragraphs, not just passing mentions or inclusions in lists, which are useful for confirming individual facts, but not for demonstrating notability. The particular criteria that would apply to you as a Rugby player are detailed at Wikipedia:Notability (sports).
As far as I can tell (though I haven't checked every article), all of the players in the list have also represented their countries at international level. The link you've provided seems on investigation to show only that a "G. Luck" played in one game for Saracens, for 43 minutes, in the 1997-8 season.
I'm sure that there are many other past Sarries players who, like you, are not in that list: Wikipedia does not usually attempt to list every single person who falls into any given category, because it is not intended to be a comprehensive directory (see Wikipedia:Not), and because it would often be either enormously difficult or outright impossible to do so. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 01:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about links to Wikipedia articles[edit]

Let's say I'm writing an article about a Harvard professor, and in the first paragraph I link to Harvard's article, then I find myself referring to Harvard many times, including the information table and photos descriptions, how many times should I link?

Thanks in advance! AGF (talk) 00:00, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Agf2, Good question.
This advice may help: MOS:REPEATLINK
Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer. AGF (talk) 14:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

How to access Twinkle?[edit]

I have enabled Twinkle but how can I access it?Md.Ali25 04:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Md.Ali25 and it's good to see you continuing to ask questions.
In the desktop interface, Twinkle manifests as a tab named "TW" with a pull-down list in the top menu of the page. It looks, though, like you may be using the mobile interface, which I generally avoid. I just tried it on mobile and I can't find any evidence of Twinkle functions. So, for you to access it, I am going to suggest that you go to the bottom of the page and select "Desktop" to switch views. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 04:58, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Page move request[edit]


I work at the History of Cinema Museum in Dubai, UAE. The previous nae of the museum was Dubai Moving Image Museum. We need to have the previous page moved to History Of Cinema Museum. All company documents show the new name. Please allow us to submit the said documents as proof. Further more the new website is All other content on the page should remain the same. We need to make the Wikipedia move to boost SEO for our new site. I have tried to make the page move request using the instructions on Wikipedia but I cant understand the instructions.

Kindly assist with this.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by HOCMuseum (talkcontribs) 06:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi HOCMuseum and welcome to the Teahouse. I've moved the page for you. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:52, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Although your username is the name of a company, which is not permitted. You'll need to change it, see instructions at Wikipedia: Changing username. Also, the purpose of Wikipedia isn't to help your SEO. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Concerning RfAs[edit]

Hello, I'm Rebestalic.

I'm here for the fourth time (I'm a mainstay, am I not?) with the question: why are RfAs so stressful and so much like political campaigns?

Seriously. Why?

Thank you, Rebestalic (talk) 06:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Rebestalic. This is a subject where you're probably going to get very different answers from different people depending on who you ask, and although that is a feeling among many users that the process is less than ideal, there is little agreement on why and how one might go about improving it.
What can be said with some certainty is that the smaller the project is, the more congenial their RfA process is. For example, the English Wikiquote only has about 500 active users, and it's RfAs are comparatively low key affairs. Projects like Wikibooks, don't even really have a specialized process for requesting administrator rights, and instead have a single page for requesting any right, including administrator and bureaucrat (the users who assign administrative privileges).
So it's fairly easy to draw the conclusion that, for whatever reason, the larger a project gets, and the more users participate in these types of discussions, the more contentious they tend to be, for whatever reason, and as the largest such project, the English Wikipedia would be singularly affected by such a phenomenon. GMGtalk 13:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I totally agree with the above, and the politics analogy is apt. Mayoral campaigns in big cities are ridden with dirty tactics and high emotions, whereas I know a mayor from a rural town (<100 inhabitants) who literally drew the short straw when inhabitants decided who would be the only candidate that year (being mayor of a small town brings almost no pay, so it is just a hassle that goes to anyone hates paperwork the least). A lot of people have a lots of ideas about RfA reforms, but many of those proposals are radically opposite to each other. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:14, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Someone deleted my content. What should i do now?[edit]

Hello, I added content to a page on a living person, someone deleted it saying it was "garbage" and there was a "BLP violation". It sounded like someone defending a page, (maybe the owner's company? who knows?) There was no violation, I checked all the rules to make sure. What is the proper procedure to stop someone from removing content I published if they simply don't like it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdawgrealty (talkcontribs) 08:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Jdawgrealty. It would have been easier if you had told us which page you were talking about. יניב הורון did not say your edit to Tovia Singer was garbage, but that it was supported by a "garbage source" - a tendentious way of describing it, to be sure, but as a matter of policy, blogs are almost never regarded as reliable sources for Wikipedia articles; and the criteria for material in biographies of living persons are more stringent than elsewhere.
In any case, according to WP:BOLD, it is normal for people to revert edits that they think are unconstructive, and your next step is to open a discussion with them on the article's talk page. If you can't reach consensus, then dispute resolution tells you what to do after that. --ColinFine (talk) 08:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Jdawgrealty: (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Though I might have put it differently, the users who have reverted your edit are correct. The source you offered seems to be a blog; blogs are not usually considered reliable sources as they lack editorial control or other fact checking. In addition, since it deals with a very serious allegation against a person, the sources must be as good as possible, and if there is any question about it, the information cannot be posted. Wikipedia has a strict policy about how living(or recently deceased) people are written about, please review this policy at WP:BLP.
If you wish to present your case defending your edits, you should use the article talk page(the best place), or contact the users who reverted you directly on their user talk pages. 331dot (talk) 08:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Ishango bone[edit]

I would like to contest the statement that the line of primes is there by "coincidence", I would like to show you a photo of how they might have discovered "different" numbers ( what we call primes ) just by arranging similar, roundish objects into rectangles. How does one submit a photo ? Cheers, Martin Dymond — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Nit (talkcontribs) 12:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey The Nit. This first thing to establish is where you are getting this information from. If it is from a source that meets Wikipedia's standards for reliability, usually things like newspapers, magazines, books and scholarly journals, then it may be appropriate to include in an article. If however, this is your own theory or one from a generic website or similar forum by non-experts, then it is most likely not appropriate for inclusion at this time. GMGtalk 13:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

problem with administrator[edit]

Hi, I have a problem with an administrator, who removes my text for Royal Air Force Museum London. He feesl I am soapboxing and adding promo material. I understand his concern, so I have changed the text.

However, now he wrote: Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing.

However, he wrote this after I had modified the article and removed - as best as I could - anything biased toward promotions. It would be nice if he could help me instead of threaten me.

Can anybody please help?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krishendrix78 (talkcontribs) 12:52, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Krishendrix78: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you tried explaining your position to the administrator directly? You may do so on the article talk page or their user talk page. 331dot (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, 331dot. I have explained this situation, but I fear he may block me if I protest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krishendrix78 (talkcontribs) 12:59, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: I think Krishendrix78 is referring to Mean as custard, which is not an administrator. —AE (talkcontributions) 13:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@—AE: Thank you —AE, and I apologise for getting this wrong. Also, I do not wish to get mean as custard into trouble. I would simply like to get this resolved. Thanks again to you and 331dot
No I am not an administrator, and have no power to block people. The warning beginning "Please stop your disruptive editing. . ." is a standard template message to editors who persist in adding promotional material after being given earlier advice to the contrary. . . Mean as custard (talk) 13:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
(Redacted)--David Biddulph (talk) 13:57, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: don't do that again.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 15:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Hey Krishendrix78. Long story short, your additions were overtly promotional, and while they may be appropriate for an official website, are not appropriate for Wikipedia. Moreover, please review our guidance on conflicts of interest, which you appear to have, and take care to abide by it. If you like, you may request that volunteers make edits on the article's talk page. GMGtalk 15:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I feel disappointed and disheartened about the constant removals of my content... I wish somebody would show me how the items below are promotional, when they only show what the new exhibitions and facilities at the Museum are about. Can somebody please help me explain what else I am supposed to do? I don't want this to be a promotional article - and I do not feel it is - but I am lost as to what it is that I can do to improve this article. Can somebody please help me?

The Royal Air Force Museum’s purpose is to tell the story of the RAF through its people and collections. It is a National Museum, a Government non-departmental public body (NDPB) and a registered charity. The Museum works closely with the RAF, its sponsor organisation at the Ministry of Defence. It has two sites open to the public at Colindale, North West London, and Cosford, in the West Midlands.

The Royal Air Force Museum London comprises several exhibitions spread over 6 hangars:

   Hangar 1 with two new exhibitions, RAF Stories and RAF First to the Future:

RAF Stories, The First 100 years 1918-2018 of the RAF. This exhibition tells the story of the RAF’s first 100 years, from its creation in 1918 as the world's first independent air force. It explores the different roles of the people of the RAF, alongside the amazing revolutions in technology. Through engaging displays the exhibition attempts to broaden the traditional view of the RAF toward that of a diverse and constantly evolving organisation.

RAF – First to the Future invites visitors to explore the work of today's RAF and how the service is preparing for the future.

   Hangar 2 (the Grahame-White Factory):

First World War in the Air exhibition: The story unfolds from the earliest days of flight here on the site of The London Aerodrome, through four years of World War to the formation of the independent Royal Air Force in 1918. This exhibition was awarded 'Best Heritage Project', voted by the public, in the 2015 National Lottery Awards.[5]

   Hangar 3 and 4: Historic Hangars

These hangars focus on the aircraft of the Second World War and the Cold War. Centrally placed are four original Battle of Britain fighter aircraft, the Hawker Hurricane, the Messerschmitt Bf 109, the Supermarine Spitfire and the lesser known Fiat CR.42. It also holds the Wings over Water exhibition, an large number of helicopters and numerous Cold War jet aircraft. These hangars have recently been refurbished with life-size silhouettes of different RAF aircrew who are, in their own way, connected to a specific aircraft in the collection.

   Hangar 5: The Bomber Hall

Battle of Britain: the iconic Junkers Ju 87 Stuka, Heinkel He 111 and Bristol Blenheim show the bomber element during the Battle of Britain.

On target: Bomber Command, from the vulnerable Fairey Battle to the famous Avro Lancaster and the mighty Avro Vulcan.

Friendly Invasion: explains how the American Eighth Air Force operated from Britain to attack targets over Nazi Germany.

   Hangar 6: Age of Uncertainty

The RAF in an Age of Uncertainty explores the story of the RAF from 1980 to today. Visitors are able to find out more about the RAF’s different roles in the Falklands Conflict, Operation Desert Storm in Iraq, the liberation of Kuwait, and recent operations in the Balkans, Afghanistan and Libya.

This Hangar is also the home for a modern STEM centre, incorporating several classrooms, reaching a wider range of schools than previously possible, and using a cross-circular approach to include STEM as well as history.

As of 2010, it had close to 100 aircraft, including the Avro Lancaster S-Sugar, which flew 137 sorties. It also includes the only complete Hawker Typhoon. Recently added are a Westland Sea King helicopter, flown by HRH Prince William, a Gnat fast jet trainer of the Red Arrows, and a full-scale mock-up of the F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter.

The different hangars are connected through a roundabout, which circles around an open grass area, suited for outdoor activities, and a green meadow landscape. The main entrance point is Hangar 1, which is accessible through a pedestrian gateway. The Museum also features a new restaurant, which has been built within a 1930s mess store building. Next to it is a children's play area with mini RAF aircraft, vehicles and buildings. A volunteer centre has been created within Building 69, originally a parachute packing RAF building.

The Museum's archives, containing many thousands of paper documents, books and photographs are situated on the top floor of Hangars 3/4/5. Access to the archives is possible by making an appointment to visit the Reading Room.[6]

There is a large car park at the site, including charge points for electrical vehicles. There are reasonable public transport links, with Colindale tube station on the Northern Line, about 600 m away.

A recent project is the RAF Stories online app, which connects with visitors and audiences. This project will collect and share 'digital scrapbooks' created and curated by anyone who has a RAF story to share - whether their own, of family members or partner organisations. A changing selection of these stories will be made available for visitors to explore in the new exhibitions, as well as offering the opportunity to add their own story to the archive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krishendrix78 (talkcontribs) 16:34, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Krishendrix78, your content is entirely unreferenced and is unacceptable just on that basis. Please read our policy Verifiability. It also includes promotional language such as:
"It explores the different roles of the people of the RAF, alongside the amazing revolutions in technology. Through engaging displays the exhibition attempts to broaden the traditional view of the RAF toward that of a diverse and constantly evolving organisation." This type of advertising language belongs on the museum's website and not in an encyclopedia article.
It is never appropriate to use promotional language like "amazing" and "engaging" in Wikipedia's voice. Please read our policy Neutral point of view. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

What is an appropriate number of authors to list before using "et al"?[edit]

I have edited many articles, lately to address CS1 maintenance issues. I have noticed that the use of "et al" is very inconsistent, even within the same article. I assume all the authors should be included for COINs entries but some editors display all the authors, others only one. Four is the number for the templates used with short footnotes. Any suggestions for the number of authors to list? Should the number be consistent within an article? -- User-duck (talk) 13:36, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I do not know if there is an MOS entry or other policy. In my unrequested opinion, you should put as many details as possible unless the references links to a robust online database containing the full bibliographic details. I would accept inconsistency between refs with a link to full bibliographic info and refs without that, but only for that reason (i.e. give at most X authors for the former, and as many as you can for the latter, with X consistent within an article).
According to et al styles seem to differ. Weirdly enough, my subfield of physics seems to follow the MLA convention (at most three authors, i.e., "A" for 1, "A and B" for 2, "A, B and C" for 3, and "A et. al." for 4 or more). TigraanClick here to contact me 15:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add artist Adolpho Simeon to Wikipedia?[edit]

Would it be possible to add artist Adolpho Simeon to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Anne Beauchamp1 (talkcontribs) 16:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)