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Looking for an extra set of eyes...[edit]

...to help in how I can improve my article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:David_Cancel

Any help is much appreciated.

Adam

64.138.248.61 (talk) 13:00, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

The main obstacle to getting this article accepted will be the need to establish that its subject is notable. For this someone will need to find reliable independent published sources with significant discussion of the subject. The draft currently has seven references, but (1) is not independent, (2) and (3) mention the subject but don't discuss him, (4) and (7) are about interviews with him, and so not independent, (5) is a blog and so not reliable, and (6) does not mention him. I have used Google to try to find better sources, and failed. Maproom (talk) 13:26, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How to crop the image in an Infobox?[edit]

Is there a way to crop the image within {{Infobox person}}? I tried experimenting with Image={{CSS image crop}}... but the resulting image is waaaay too big to display, and it ignores the image_upright and image_size parameters. I'm probably missing something obvious; can somebody point me in the right direction? Gronk Oz (talk) 12:45, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

See Mustafizur Rahman for a cropped image in an infobox. Maproom (talk) 12:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Perfect - thanks, Maproom! Smile.gif --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Not My Edit![edit]

I, in Wikipedia Arabic, am vigilant for any POV edits. for example; On the article Qalqilya, a city in Palestine, the writer has a clear bias against Israel (which is very, very common with Mr. Wikipedia "Bias" Arabic). The name of the section talking about the Israeli claim to the farmland of the outskirts of Qalqilya (my hometown, by the way) is surreptitiously called "The Imprisoned City". I changed the title to "The Farmland dispute" and (as expected) got my edit reverted a day later. The problem is: when I compared my version with the current one, it shows I have done a lot more than that (and the text allegedly written by me had a very disgusting bias). This had happened a lot with me, what is happening?! SammyMajed (talk) 06:11, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, SammyMajed. Here at the Teahouse, we discuss editing of the English Wikipedia, and have no expertise about the Arabic Wikipedia. At User talk: Jimbo Wales, you may find people with knowledge about problems on various language Wikipedias. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm pinging @Meno25: who is listed at WP:Local Embassy as one of the editors at the Arabic WP desk. They may be able to help figure you figure out what's going on. It may depend on how you viewed the edits; there are ways to compare two separate edits that combine all of the intermediate edits as well, which you may have done inadvertently. jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 08:37, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
@SammyMajed: We cannot help with policies and disputes at the Arabic Wikipedia but we can maybe help with the software. I don't know Arabic but I looked at the page history [1]. You made the four most recent edits, and you made four edits in January with no other edits for weeks, so I don't understand what you refer to. Click the "السابق" or "prev" link to see the changes made by a single edit. Maybe you were looking at a total change made by multiple edits. For example, [2] displays "(7 مراجعات متوسطة بواسطة 5 مستخدمين غير معروضة)" or "(7 intermediate revisions by 5 users not shown)" above the diff. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How to check article is published or not?[edit]

I have written a aritcle and I want to know when it will published and how to check the article is published or not?Vsk2255 (talk) 04:27, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, User:Vsk2255. I've moved the page to here. It probably won't be published in Wikipedia article space in its current state, because it lacks secondary sources; we need those to establish notability. I'd recommend reading Your First Article for some guidelines on how to write and style it. Thanks! MereTechnicality 04:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I created the article 'Subeme La Radio', a song, why is someone move my page ?[edit]

I created the article 'Subeme La Radio', a song, why is someone move my page ? I can't get over it, that editor who move my article just add 'Súbeme', that so. That is my article, how can someone move my page ? Please, can someone clear it out ! Giangkiefer (talk) 03:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Giangkiefer. Please note that no one 'owns' an article. It is very important to remember that. Second, the person moved the page to add an accent to the title, since pages can't be renamed. I'm not sure what you mean by "clear it out," but if you believe it should be moved back, I'd recommend asking the editor who performed the action.
However, while I was trying to find the editor who performed that action, I noticed you already made your opinion known on their page. It's very important to our community that we don't do personal attacks, that you stay civil to other editors, and to always assume that other editors want to help. Please keep those in mind for the future. Thank you! MereTechnicality 04:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Actually, what has happened here is that Giangkiefer created the article Subeme La Radio on February 23, then Salvabl created Súbeme La Radio on February 24 by copy and paste and redirected the former to the latter, thus depriving Giangkiefer of the authorship. I'll put it right. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
OK, it's done, the copy-paste version is deleted, the original article by Giangkiefer is at Súbeme La Radio, and I've advised Salvabl on how to change article titles by using the Move procedure. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Flight Engineer Article[edit]

Can I add two Australian book references to the Flight Engineer article on wikipedia Rex58.161.77.224 (talk) 03:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rex. What is important is whether the book is reliable as a reference for the information in the article. There needs to be a good reason to add a reference. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:24, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I know your reviewers are overloaded...[edit]

But it has been a month, and the backlog has doubled during that time. Is it within reason to post provisionally pending review? Or is the process simply open-ended? The article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ZPEG. Thank you... Zpeg (talk) 00:58, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Zpeg. Thanks for writing an article! I'm not a reviewer, but I can tell you right now that it's probably going to get declined. It reads too much like an advertisement for Wikipedia's mainspace. In addition to that, I'd recommend splitting it into sections more suitable to an encyclopedia article. I'd also recommend reading the Manual of Style for info on how to format an article. MereTechnicality 01:13, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Well, maybe you should be a reviewer! Thanks for your comment, I was pretty careful to try to focus on the facts and the proven technology, I'll take a second look.Zpeg (talk) 01:17, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Zpeg: I've has a quick look at the draft, and a serious flaw is that it doesn't start by explaining what it's about. The first sentence reads "ZPEG is a motion video technology". But it doesn't say what this technology does. My guess is that ZPEG is a file format for videos. But the reader should not be left to guess. Maproom (talk) 13:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

My Tables are no longer seen in my sandbox[edit]

Hello! First want to say the Teahouse is a great resource for newbies like myself! I am in the process of my first submission on Constantine Mavroudis, MD. I was originally having trouble with format during writing so I wrote it all in WORD and pasted into Wikipedia. THEN I found the visual editing. Now my article is in my sandbox but I had several tables that are no longer visible. Any advice or direction? Thank you!Amr247rn (talk) 21:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Amr247rn, welcome to the Teahouse. Your sandbox was moved to Draft:Constantine Mavroudis but [3] shows it was then deleted as a copyright infringement of http://www.congenitalheartdocumentary.com/result.php%3Ftitle%3DConstantine-Mavroudis. Only administrators like me can see the deleted revisions of pages. I can see your tables but have also confirmed that parts of the page were identical to the linked page, e.g. the sentence "He was recruited to Children's Memorial Hospital-Northwestern University, The Feinberg School of Medicine in 1989 as the Willis J. Potts Professor of Surgery, Division Director of Pediatric Cardiac Surgery and Surgeon-in-Chief." This doesn't match your statement "This is all original work" in [4]. http://www.congenitalheartdocumentary.com/result.php%3Ftitle%3DConstantine-Mavroudis says the page is copyrighted. A Google search also finds some of the text at other websites. I'm not sure where it originates from. Do you have evidence that it's allowed to copy it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Question about fair use images[edit]

Hi there,

The article Arturo_Herbruger is listed in the category of "Wikipedia requested photographs". The subject of the article died in 1999, so fair use would apply in this case, correct? If so, should I try searching for a photo from the time period that made him notable, i.e. when he served as Vice President? --FlyingAce (talk) 19:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Correct, insofar as you have made an honest effort to look for free images but have failed. You're also correct about the time period.
The big problem with the article, however, is not that it misses an image but that it lacks sources. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 19:16, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Finnusertop. I'm working on the references too; I found a couple of good ones and will work on add more information to the article.
Regarding the image, would cropping and resizing this photo be acceptable? We do have free images of the other person in this photo. I also found this portrait, from when he presided the Supreme Court, but that was nearly 50 years before he became VP! Any thoughts? --FlyingAce (talk) 19:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Need a review[edit]

Hello, I have been writing a Wikipedia article in my sandbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NeheScar/sandbox) for a year now, and only recently decided to change its focus from the business housed within 4444 Second Avenue to the building. It was flagged for promotion and lack of necessary third party sources. I would like someone to review the article and see if these problems persist or if there are any new problems. NeheScar (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

NeheScar, press the blue button that says "Resubmit". The issue with notability is by far the most pressing. Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Those three sources currently in the article don't establish this. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Need a reviewer, possibly a mover too![edit]

I wrote a short draft article and would love to have someone review it, suggest improvements so we can move it to articles soon. Thanks.Calexit (talk) 15:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Calexit, and welcome to the Teahouse. It has been submitted for review. All you have to do now is wait. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 16:48, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Citation[edit]

Hi, I wrote a paragraph in an article on a technical subject, bringing it up to date and adding a concise explanation of what the thing is and does. I have gathered the knowledge used to be able to write the paragraph from multiple sources.

Should I cite one of them? Many of them? (It is not a controversial subject)

The one I would cite is a recent book. Should I cite the paper copy I have, or reference a (not-free) eBook on one of the bookstores?

I wrote the second paragraph (and rewrote / edited most of the initial section of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

Thanks!Octopenslayer (talk) 15:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

P.S. I have now also rewritten the last paragraph in the initial section. Do I need to cite? The book mentioned above has this info as well. Should I cite it again?

ThanksOctopenslayer (talk) 16:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Octopenslayer. When in doubt, cite! It's better to have too many than too few. You should cite all the sources that you consulted. Either the paper copy or the ebook are fine, I would go with the paper copy if that's what you actually used.
The lead section is an exception; you don't need to cite information there as long as it's not controversial and it appears (with a citation) somewhere in the body of the article. Keep up the good work! – Joe (talk) 20:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Stanley Leopold Fowler butchered article[edit]

I just need to add that the article I wrote was utterly butchered by someone with no reason, explanation or rhyme as to why. Is this wiki standard practice? How disturbing, inconsiderate and heart wrenching! Don't know where to retrieve the information from?! Thewayweis (talk) 14:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

  • If you look in the article history tab (the tab that says "View History") while looking at the article in question, people may have left summaries of the edits they made. If these summaries do not adequately explain why they made the changes they did, you can ask them on their User Talk page to elaborate, and maybe they can help you to understand why they made the changes they did. --Jayron32 14:54, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse Thewayweis

I'm afraid that, like many others, you have misunderstood what Wikipedia is about. It is an encyclopaedia, which summarises what independent sources have published about subjects. Creating an article is one of the most difficult things to do on Wikipedia, creating one without reliable sources is just impossible I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Jayron for your imput it is much appreciated. I welcome the imput and editing done since the article came into existence. As I am new to wikipedia it was a welcomed and great help. The article was suggested for deletion at the onset and through many discussions about the sources being from the 70's it was taken off deletion. Now I am finding the article for deletion again with very little constructive support. Not only that, the note for deletion was up today for a couple of hours and the note stated it was up for discussion again. Within this time the article was butchered, even the constructive edits from other members who have helped, leaving the article incoherent and incomplete. How many times does the same article go up for deletion after it has been taken off initially?

deleted sections of article Stanley Leopold Fowler[edit]

Hello I have done my best to upgrade the article Stanley Leopold Fowler, according to all the suggestions, an article that was initially proposed for deletion and after going back and forth giving the reasons why the online sourcing is difficult (happened in 1977-long before the internet) the deletion was removed. Sadly, it is up again for discussion and most of the improvements and additions have been removed, I presume may be wrongly, by TheRoadislong, who queried Leo Fowler's notability. The article was written supported by a lot of facts but suddenly, to someone it seemed biased... I am at a loss and truly feel discouraged as someone new to wiki and trying really hard to understand. It was stated the article was up for discussion today yet a lot has been removed today, without giving clear reasons as to why or giving helpful suggestions as to what to do. I am truly stumped that the same article can be proposed for deletion then taken off from deletion after discussion, then amended according to suggestions, then proposed for deletion again!!! What on earth is going on? How many times can the same article be up for deletion? Very distressing and although 'not personal' when done in such a away with no communication or constructive suggestion it feels like it!!! Thewayweis (talk) 14:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thewayweis. I appreciate that it's extremely frustrating to see your work on an article be discarded, or nominated for deletion, and I'm sorry that you haven't had the most friendly welcome. Unfortunately this is something many new editors experience when they attempt to write an article from scratch, because they aren't yet familiar with Wikipedia's distinct encyclopaedic style. It's important to always approach Wikipedia editing as a collaborative activity. Collaboration is fundamental to what Wikipedia is – literally, it's what the "Wiki" half of the name means. When you contribute your work, others are free to rework it as they see fit, if they think it will improve the article. Similarly, you are free to rework their reworking (or just restore old versions) if you think that is an improvement. And if any editor thinks that the best thing for the encyclopaedia is to delete a particular article, they are free to nominated it, as many times as they wish. But you have as much of a say in these processes as anybody else.
One of the key collaboration tools we have, as Jayron32 mentioned above, is an article's history. It's a log of every edit made to the article, showing exactly what was changed, by who, and what reason they gave for it. You should always check this to figure out why another editor might have removed your contribution. Another feature of the history is that it means nothing is ever lost. By clicking on the timestamps in the history you can view previous versions of the page; for example, here's the last version before it was nominated for deletion the second time. If you want, you can retrieve text from previous versions and re-add them to the page. Even deleted articles aren't really deleted, just hidden so that only administrators can see them, so there's the possibility of them being un-deleted later.
I can see that Stanley Leopold Fowler has quite a long and confusing history so I'll try to summarise it for you. When you first created the article it was nominated for deletion twice. The first via speedy deletion and the second via proposed deletion. Both of these processes are designed to quickly delete articles that are clearly unsuitable for Wikipedia, but they were quite rightly declined. Over the last month other editors have been making minor changes to the article at the same time as you, and one added some tags to the top of the page to highlight areas that they felt needed improvement. The article was nominated for deletion for a third time today using the normal, non-expedited process that involves a community discussion. Often these discussions attract the attention of editors who try to improve or rewrite the article to see if it can be "saved". This is exactly what Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi was doing when they removed material that was (according to their edit summary) overly promotional and non-encyclopaedic. What happens now is that there will be a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanley Leopold Fowler. It is a discussion, not a vote, with the objective being to reach a consensus on whether to delete or keep the article, and you're welcome to participate in it. The main question will be whether Fowler meets the notability guideline. So if you want to see the article kept, the best thing to do is to show that there are reliable sources that discuss his life.
Again, I'm sorry your initial experiences with Wikipedia haven't been the most positive. It isn't always like this, believe me, but you've given yourself a tough job in writing a brand new article. Whatever the outcome of the AfD I hope you continue to contribute. – Joe (talk) 20:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
A quick addendum – those sources don't have to be online. Good old fashioned paper is fine. Just provide a reference. – Joe (talk) 20:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Joe

I have found your imput most helpful and explanatory. I am deeply grateful for all the constructive editing that most contributors have done on the article and I truly don't mind guidance in any sense - I welcome it! Firstly, half of the time I am not sure where to go to respond, even now I am responding with trepidation not knowing with confidence that this is the right way to respond to you as there are so many links within links within links to know what is the appropriate option. Nor do I know when suggestions come up on boxes how to fully implement them. Shame wiki cannot allocate a guide to each newcomer if not to make life a tad easier to contribute. The disputed recurring problems, in my humble opinion, seems to be notability and references. The fact is that Stanley Leopold Fowler DID build the Elizabethan Village in Armadale, he DID win the prestigious Sir David Brand Award for Tourism, he DID have three attempts to get permission off Dr. Levi Fox, the Elizabethan Village DID get a plaque commemorating him and the Elizabethan Village as a historic site, which he built. What some one personally thinks about the site pales into insignificance with the fact that it is there and standing as a historic site. I might not like the Stonehenge but it is there as a testimony to someone. I personally saw the blueprints at the archives at the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust in Stratford -upon -Avon. The references kindly given by his daughter, Sally-ann Fowler were from newspaper articles from the 70's (I provided images to this effect of the articles) and I have asked wiki permissions ([Ticket#2017012910007647] Stanley Leopold Fowler) if these can be used. The problem, as I see it, is that they cannot be used as permission needs to be sought from the authors of these articles (who are possibly deceased and cannot be tracked, although I have tried). When the article was initially proposed for deletion this issue, I thought was dealt with but it seems to have reared it's ugly head three times. I hoped that dealing with it once was enough! The issue of collaboration as I see it, especially with the last deletion proposal, was that there was no collaboration nor constructive guidance by the editor who deleted it. Albeit, I must apologize for thinking it was Theroadislong although he/she cited COI. I was fascinated by the man who actually created something tangible for prosperity, which is officially deemed a historic site, and there is nothing concrete said about him. Is he to fall into obscurity because of referencing? If my style of writing was the issue that can be changed, but no one even said it was to me for me to correct it, although it was called a 'hagiography'. Yes there are guidelines on wiki, but those seem to also be at the whim of individual interpretation. I question how many times can the same article can be up for deletion and feel saddened by this whole experience and wonder at the concept of cyber community...nothing different than the three dimensional world. Going back to the beginning, I cannot stress how grateful I am for constructive editors who have truly contributed, helped and guided this newcomer...so on a positive...there is always hope! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewayweis (talkcontribs) 10:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons?[edit]

Hello all, why are some images hosted on both Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons? For example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Magna-carta-embroidery-top-left.jpg and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Magna-carta-embroidery-top-left.jpg

thank you !Eartha78 (talk) 14:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Eartha78. File:Magna-carta-embroidery-top-left.jpg is not hosted at Wikipedia but all images hosted at Commons can be viewed at a corresponding Wikipedia url unless another image with the same name is hosted at Wikipedia. The box below the image in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Magna-carta-embroidery-top-left.jpg says: "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below." A few images are actually hosted at both Wikipedia and Commons but this is usually temporary until one of the versions is deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:56, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Contemporary Artists - Links to gallery websites[edit]

billinghurst asked me to take a discussion to the Teahouse. Maybe you guys here can help! According to Wikipedia:External links external links should just go to official websites. In case of contemporary artists - who very often don't have a website - it's mostly the galleries representing the artist that provide information on the person, the CV and the works online.

So, it's a general discussion: Does linking to the websites of the galleries add additional value? Should all directions to galleries be taken off Wikipedia? Or should just some be named an - in case yes - what would be the criteria?

In my opinion, adding the links does add value. Due to copyright reason, images of artworks from contemporary artists can't be found on wikipedia, but on the galleries' websites. Also, if you want to get a more profound overview of the exhibition history of an artist, you would go to the gallery website - where you would also find installation views and info on exhibitions that took place... and so on.

What do you think?

Thanks and all my best, NanoHeemskerck (talk) 13:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

NanoHeemskerck: it's very useful to readers of an article about a visual artist, to be able to see images of the artist's work. Ideally some of the best-known pictures should appear in the article. But when copyright does not allow this, I think it's appropriate to use external links to web sites where their work can be seen; as at Mir Abdolrez Daryabeigi for example. This is quite a different case from an article with external links to the subject's own page, Facebook page, LinkedIn page, employer's page, etc.; all but one of those should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 15:08, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Template help[edit]

I created a new template here Template:Board of Admiralty after using a template I had in draft Template:Departments of the United Kingdom Government, the new template created but when you click view or edit this template it takes to Template:Departments of the United Kingdom Government have I been naughty and cut corners? I would appreciate very much if I can have help resolving the problem many thanks.--Navops47 (talk) 11:48, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Navops47. The name parameter must be the template name to make the right links. Fixed in [5]. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much for rectifying my eye sight despite wearing glasses is getting worse :).--Navops47 (talk) 11:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

page protection[edit]

How to make an wiki page protected or semi protected? thanksArpon chakma (talk) 10:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Arpon chakma, welcome to the Teahouse. Pages can only be protected by administrators. See Wikipedia:Protection policy for when it's done and Wikipedia:Requests for page protection for how to request it. If you say which page you want protected and why then we can give more specific advice. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Making a Family name page[edit]

How do I make a family name page that automatically lists individuals of that family name alongside places named after them? I discovered that the two pages I created, Balkrishna "Raosaheb" Gogte and Raghunath "Bhausaheb" Chitale are both members of prominent Gogte/Gogate and Chitale families respectively, that have several notable members and places named after them which have articles here on Wikipedia. How do I go about this? Thanks for the help Baldclock (talk) 07:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything in the Mediawiki software which will let you create such a page, Baldclock. The nearest you can get to it is a Category: It might be reasonable for every page about a member of the Gogte family or a place named after them to have [[Category:Gogte family]] in its code, and there will then automatically be a category page Category:Gogte family which lists all those pages. But it is not automatic: somebody will have to add the Category link to each of the pages.
By the way, I'm not formally reviewingBalkrishna "Raosaheb" Gogte, but I have some comments:
  • If the sources refer to him as "Raosaheb B.M. Gogte" then that should be the title of the article, not his real name with his nickname in brackets. The title you are using now could stay as a redirect.
  • It reads very oddly with all the references to him in the past tense, but no death date. If he is still alive, then it should have at least some information about him that is in the present time.
  • It is not for Wikipedia to say what he is best known for. If the article quotes an independent reliable source that says he is best known for something, that is fine; but otherwise that is a judgment that does not belong in a neutral article.
--ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so very much, ColinFine for the category suggestions. I'm not sure if there are enough Gogte family members or places to make an entirely different category, but I can perhaps follow a similar style to the way the Kapoor family, the Khan family or the Gadgil family have been listed, and make similar Chitale and Gogte family pages.
I also have the two books on Balkrishna "Raosaheb" Gogte that I've added as references linking to Google Books and WorldCat, physically available in my university library. I'm not sure if Wikipedia accepts non online book sources since the online sources aren't reader accessible, but I have enough material to expand the article on his whole life and career, his death date is also mentioned, but not in any sources I found online. I went with Balkrishna "Raosaheb" Gogte as the name of the article as I thought it would be more formal, if it is preferred that the name of the article be changed to his most popularly known name, I'll do so immediately (please just tell me how!). Thanks, Baldclock (talk) 12:14, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How to use objective language[edit]

Any suggestions on how to write my article using more 'encyclopedia' type language. It constantly gets rejected. The article is on Peter Mylonas ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Peter_Mylonas HoundDog17 (talk) 04:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, HoundDog17, and welcome to the Teahouse.
Don't call him a "leading karate expert" when no one else calls him that (not even his website, which you use as the source, even though you shouldn't). Neither did he play a "prominent" role in anything or was "avid" at that, unless you can cite such evaluations to reliable third party sources. The same goes for the "significant promise" that he purportedly showed. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch.
There is an even bigger problem than language though. You need to base your article on information found in reliable published sources that are independent of this person. His own website is not. If he isn't covered at depth in such sources, there cannot be a Wikipedia article on this person. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 05:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, HoundDog17. Here is another example: Your draft claims that his father played "a prominent role model in his son's life and an avid supporter of his life-long karate journey", but who says that praise is true? There is no reference for that evaluative language. That is not the neutral language of an encyclopedia article summarizing what independent sources say about the topic. That is hagiography which does not belong in an encyclopedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:38, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

About Deletion[edit]

Sir, I created an article about my company, about its founder, history, etc. How is that promotional? If that is so, why are pages of Reliance Industries and other companies still on Wikipedia? Its not fair, as in not letting me publish my article about the company same as that of other companies.

Vivtyg25 (talk) 04:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Vivtyg25, and welcome to the Teahouse. If by "my company" you mean you are personally affiliated with the company, you shouldn't write about it in the first place.
As for quality of articles, if you find other articles that meet the deletion criteria, please nominate them for deletion rather than use them as vehicle for creating even more substandard articles. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 05:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Vivtyg25. Let me be frank with you. We have an article about Reliance Industries because it is a multi-billion dollar powerhouse of the Indian economy which has been in business over a half century. On the other hand, you were trying to write an article about an online legal services startup which raised a paltry one million dollars in financing last year. Please do not try to compare a lion to a mouse. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:51, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Also, Vivtyh25, "fair" doesn't enter into it. Wikipedia articles exist for the purposes of Wikipedia and no other purpose. Nobody and no organisation in the world is entitled to an article, and as a matter of fact nobody in the world - not even Jimmy Wales - owns a Wikipedia article that happens to be about them. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Help to write edit with implied citation[edit]

New to editing Wikipedia articles and not sure how to make an edit based on implied information from citations as against a clear citation. Would like advice on how to word what I wish to say in an edit to Granite Mountain, Arizona. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_Mountain_(Arizona) Ernest Bywater (talk) 03:19, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ernest Bywater, and welcome to the Teahouse. It all depends on what do you mean by "implied" information versus a "clear" citation. There are some things you cannot do with sources, please see Wikipedia:No original research. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 05:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
I've posted this information twice, but it doesn't show up - I'll try again without the link. - -

Hello Finnusertop, to me a clear citation is one with backing that clearly states something. In the Granite Mountain article they say the mountain was first named in after the first governor appointed to the Arizona Territory when it was created in March 1862 and he died in March 1863. However, I researched the area for a story, and found several maps from the 1850s and 1860s and found a place called Black Mountain that's shown at the same spot just north of Prescott, the best map is the 'Map of the Military Department of New Mexico' dated 1864 (from the David Rumsey map collection at www davidrumsey com )which shows Black Mountain at what looks to be the same co-ordinates as Granite Mountain and between Prescott and the Williamson Valley. To me, this implies or infers the two mountains are the same, but I've no clear reference saying the name was changed, and thus uncertain how to show the information on the page. I hope this helps you to understand what my concern is. Ernest Bywater (talk) 06:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

That would be original research, which we don't use (even when based on primary sources). All we do is summarize professionally published mainstream academic and journalistic sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Ian, if that's the case, I gather you don't accept anything about independent authors or their works, or the research and materials they state in their works. I just find it odd I can show the reliable sources primary sources, but can't include it in the information on the page. Ernest Bywater (talk) 06:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Ernest Bywater. Sorry, but that is not what Ian.thomson was trying to say. You can cite what independent authors say, as long as their work is published by outlets with professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. I hope that you are not using "independent" as a synonym for "lacking professional editorial control" because that definition does not fly here on Wikipedia. If someone's research indicates that a certain mountain once had a different name, then they should publish that research in a journal of geographic place names, or a similar reliable source. After publication. it can be mentioned here on Wikipedia. But not before. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:43, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
I've come across such issues before. Is the map in question, Map of the Military Department of New Mexico, a "reliable published source"? How about maps published by the Ordnance Survey? Maps in an atlas published by a respectable publisher, such as Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas? Maproom (talk) 07:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
The map in question is an appendix in the hard cover book 'Atlas to Accompany the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies 1861 - 1865' and the map's title is 'Map of the Military Department of New Mexico' listed as 'Plate XCVIII' with the following information printed on it 'Drawn under the direction of Brig. Gen. James H.Carleton by Capt. Allen Anderson 5th U.S.Infantry, Acting Engineering Officer, 1864' - the image I have is from the David Rumsey collection and its URL (minus the dots in the web page to deactivate the link) is - www davidrumsey com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~26927~1100226:Mil--Dept--New-Mexico-

Is that a good enough source or not - it's obviously from a formal published work of military origin. The map has the longitude and latitude marked on it, and at the same place as the co-ordinates for Granite Mountain is a double peak mountain named Black Mountain the same distance from Fort Whipple as Granite Mountain is today. There are also a couple of older maps I've seen with Black Mountain on it in that same area, but they aren't as accurate or as clear. Ernest Bywater (talk) 08:27, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Ernest Bywater, in my view, it is acceptable for an article to say "this source A says X but this other source B says Y". What an article must not do is to draw any conclusion from the above statements. So, if I understand your point above, it would be acceptable to say that the (cited) map shows a mountain called Black Mountain at that location, but should not attempt to resolve the question. --ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you all, especially ColinFine. I'll now have to do some studying about how to make an edit, and spend some time thinking on how best to properly word what to say. The map in involved is very detailed and includes the explorations of a lot of people. Many of the places have the same names as today, and quite a few don't. It's a good historical reference source for Arizona and New Mexico of the mid 1800s. Ernest Bywater (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Bruce here, and I have figured out how to use the italics, with some help from you guys. Do not need more info on that. But I still say it is a bit odd, not the usual method, to get italics. Thanks. 70.69.105.17 (talk) 08:00, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How to italic?[edit]

I tap the italic button but it does not italicize? Bruce Metzger (talk) 01:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

That's weird. @Bruce Metzger: if you add two apostrophes between the text (e.g. ''Text''), then it will italicize the text (e.g. Text). —MRD2014 📞 What I've done 02:11, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Why have such a convoluted method to use italics? I'm afraid to the answer. Bruce Metzger (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Usually, clicking the italic button produces Italic text, with "Italic text" highlighted so you can adjust what you want to have in italics. —MRD2014 📞 What I've done 02:23, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Bruce Metzger. Wikipedia operates on MediaWiki software, which many people consider quaint and antiquated. On the other hand, it successfully powers this, the #6 website in the world, and countless other wikis as well. It has its idiosyncracies but tens of thousands of Wikipedia editors use it every day without a lot of trouble. The Visual Editor is a WYSWYG overlay, but personally, I prefer to work in wikicode, which I found easy to learn even though I am not a professional programmer. You may find the Cheatsheet helpful to assist in learning wikicode. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
@Bruce Metzger: The apostrophes must end up in the saved source page but they can be added with a click. I dont know what you tried but if you want to italicize existing text then mark the text before clicking the italic button. Some text is produced by templates and then the details may depend on the used template. Which text on which page do you want to italicize? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:56, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

How do you insert picture box[edit]

How do you insert picture box with links Pghindie (talk) 23:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Pghindie: You can find detailed instructions on this page. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
(e/c) Hi Pghindie. Please see Help:Infobox and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes – which is what I think you might be referring to by "picture box with links" – and if not, Nihonjoe's link should cover what else you might have meant. Please note that if this is about Ronald Quigley, a living person, we can only use a public domain image or one affirmatively granted a suitably-free copyright license, and it is unlikely any image of him would qualify for fair use under our strict criteria. If you still have questions about the infoboxes after seeing those pages, please do follow-up here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

ALL OF MY EDITS REMOVED?[edit]

WHY, JUST WHY. I made a page for the character Dr. Gordon from Saw, minutets later it was deleted. I used sources from Wikipedia. explain please, I have had to redo my article twice now, still deleted within minuets.The1Fr33m4n (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@The1Fr33m4n: It appears there is not enough third-party coverage to establish notability to create a separate article on this fictional character. You can see the current information at List of Saw characters#Lawrence Gordon. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I have requested that the article be undeleted and transferred to your userpage or a draft. Hopefully an admin will do that for you. You may work on it there and maybe submit it to WP:AFC when you think it is ready. Please don't be discouraged. Nothing is really deleted on Wikipedia unless it is a gross violation of policy.—አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 23:36, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
But, The1Fr33m4n, please read WP:Your first article, to discover what a difficult task it is to write a new article in Wikipedia, and how to go about doing so in a way that works. --ColinFine (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks guys, I am very sorry I freaked, Thanks for the help, I am a fan of the Saw Franchise and I made the page to expand more on the Mythos of Saw. I apologize for my behaivior and I will work on it more soon. :) again thanks User:Nihonjoe and User:ColinFine for helping me out — Preceding unsigned comment added by The1Fr33m4n (talkcontribs) 21:53, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Arts Reviews[edit]

I am writing an article about an artist. He has numerous NY Times reviews.. but only one article of significance that specifically highlights this individual... Do these count as cites? (Dchaissejohnsier (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dchaissejohnsier: The article with significant coverage can be used to help establish notability. The others can be used in the article as needed once notability has been established. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:15, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Dchaissejohnsier. According to our notability guideline for artists, serious critical attention such as reviews are among the factors that make an artist notable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:50, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Strange things in android version??[edit]

I was looking at Passive-aggressive behavior and in the normal (browswer) version it looks okay , but in the wikipedia android app there is a (almost) rude starting line and i don't know how to remove it.

Please can somebody remove this (almost) rudeness and how can I do that next time myself? WillemienH (talk) 22:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@WillemienH: Please be more specific regarding the "(almost) rude starting line". ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I think I figured it out. It looks like someone vandalized the Wikidata entry. That has since been corrected. Try refreshing and see if it's still there. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
It has allready been changed, thanks -- but how can I next time change it myself? or is this kind of vandalism to rare to learn to repair WillemienH (talk) 23:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
@WillemienH: On each article page, there is a list of links to the same topic in other languages. At the bottom of the list is a link titled "Edit links" (this may not appear in the mobile version of the page). Click on that link to go to Wikidata and review the content there. Keep in mind that editing on Wikidata is a lot more technical than editing here, so be cautious before changing anything. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I just fixed it on Wikidata. I don't know how you would get to it on the Android app, but in a browser you go to the Wikipedia page and pick "Wikidata item" in the side-bar. Then you can find the relevant bit of the Wikidata page and edit it. (You can also look at the page history to see who did it, and warn them on their talk page, though there don't seem to be any templates to do this in Wikidata. This is the first time I have seen vandalism in Wikidata, but I haven't been there much recently, so I don't know how common it it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
@ColinFine: Yeah, vandalism is less common on Wikidata because it requires more technical know-how to do things there. Thankfully. Face-smile.svg ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:39, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: sounds all rather complicated :) maybe it was just somebody trying it out, hope it was the only vandalism on Wikidata, i guess somebody had a look at other "contribiutions" of this user and so WillemienH (talk) 09:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Soliciting for Peer-review of Abebe Bikila[edit]

Could I solicit you to do a thorough c/e or maybe even a peer-review of this article. —አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 22:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Janweh64: I recommend asking over at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors (on their requests page, specifically). That's what they do. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:34, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I will do that.—አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 23:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Nothing to write...[edit]

This may seem like an absurd thing to say but I feel as if everything I know about is quite extensively covered and well referenced in wikipedia. I was wondering what do experienced Wikipedia writers do about this? Do they go about learning a totally new topic that they then write about or adding little bits of information here and there? Just curious that's all as I am struggling to find much to write now and was wondering if anyone was also in a similar situation as well. EvilxFish (talk) 20:40, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I usually click the random article link and see what happens.—አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse! I've sometimes felt the same way; I've been actively editing for a year but never created an article from scratch. I tend to do "gnomish" work, improving existing articles (which often does involve learning a totally new topic). Wikipedia:Community portal is a central index of the many ways editors can help, including "missing articles" that need to be written. Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement is good if you like to collaborate. I suspect most experienced editors become involved with the many Wikipedia:WikiProjects which focus on a subject matter or policy. Sometimes I'll hunt for typos which can be a good indicator for neglected articles that need cleanup and updating. – Reidgreg (talk) 23:24, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
@EvilxFish: You're welcome to work on anything on this list. There are literally tens of thousands of articles in all different interest areas that have been requested at one point or another. You can also check out mylist, if you want a smaller list of work needing done. Face-smile.svg ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
@EvilxFish: There's also User:SuggestBot/Getting Recommendations Regularly. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you all for the feedback I will be sure to read through the links! :) EvilxFish (talk) 18:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

i would like to use the work aversion page for my website , how do i get permission for this ?[edit]

i am in a fellowship called work anoxerics and underachievers anonymous and i identify with what has been written on the wikipedia work aversion page . i would like to use some of what has been written on the work aversion page on the work anoxerics and underachievers anonymous website . how do i gain permission to do this ? Movement 4 freedom (talk) 19:15, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Movement 4 freedom - You can't get permission, because you do not need it. The explanation is at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content - you need to attribute our content, and re-issue it under a Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license (CC-BY-SA). Sample wording for the licensing, and a fuller explanation, are on that help page. - Arjayay (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Why was my edit removed?[edit]

I made an edit to the page Lightsaber. It was valid and correct information, but shortly after it was removed for unknown reasons.Masonr318 (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Masonr318 - Ask the reverting editor, and discuss on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Hey Masonr318. It looks like your edit was likely reverted because it did not include reliable sources to back up the information and where it came from. For an overview how to include sources see Help:Referencing for beginners. For our policy on how to judge whether sources are reliable, see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. TimothyJosephWood 19:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

My page Draft:Gaur_gopal_das was refused. Help me improve it.[edit]

Hello. My page Draft:Gaur_gopal_das was refused for using peacock terms. Since then, I have made some small edits. I have only a little experience making new pages. Please let me know what changes can be made to improve this one further. Thank you :) Nishant Sah (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

NishantsahSeveral things are still of concern. Examples:
  • Radhanath Swami should not be referred to as His Holiness. Even the article on Swami does not do that.
  • A quotes sections is unnecessary. That belongs on [Wikiquote project https://www.wikiquote.org/]. Perhaps copy it there or to your sandbox for now.
  • TEDx should be mentioned in the first paragraph as that is essential the bases for possible notability.
I am going to help you by converting the references to the proper format. But please do not get discouraged. If you need more help ask the wonderful people at WP:AFCHELP or just ask again here.—አቤል ዳዊት?(Janweh64) (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Having trouble publishing a page. Draft:Party of Communists USA[edit]

Hi all,

I am having trouble publishing a page. I have edited out any references to the organization itself.

What remain are 6 external, independent, verifiable references.

Draft:Party of Communists USA

Please help me publish this page. There is no other such page on Wikipedia, and it is high time this article is on Wikipedia, as the organization is relevant to current events today.

So far I have followed every step there is. I have noticed that the PCM - Communist Party of Mexico (2011) page only has ONE external reference, yet we have 6. Why was the PCM page approved, but our page denied? All other links have been removed on the PCUSA wiki.

Please help.

Thank you.

Dragunsky1922Dragunsky1922 (talk) 17:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dragunsky1922. Let's begin with Communist Party of Mexico (2011). That article was started in 2007 when the group had a different name and Wikipedia had lower standards. The Articles for Creation process did not exist at that time, so it appears that no one approved the article. It was added without review. It is a poorly referenced article although the party may well be notable. We do not accept mediocre articles in 2017 just because someone wrote a mediocre article ten years ago. Instead, that article should be cleaned up. We have well over five million articles and many of them have shortcomings.
As for your draft, none of your sources appear to be truly independent and reliable. We are looking for coverage in sources with professional editorial control and no connection to the group in question. Blogs are not acceptable. An academic book about the history of Marxist-Leninist organizations in the U. S. would be a good source. But this group was only founded a couple of years ago and had its founding conference ten months ago. Accordingly, it may be too soon for a Wikipedia article about this group, unless you can provide much better references.
We have an experienced editor called Carrite with a lot of experience working on articles about left wing political parties. Maybe he has something to add. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:05, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Actually Soman might be the best person to comment here. There very clearly needs to be more time and sourcing before an article on this organization will pass muster in the event of a notability challenge. A good rule of thumb is that there needs to be three substantial sources about the subject of an article, of presumed reliability and published by external entities. If the mainstream press starts writing the group up, notability will be passed. Even though I personally would like to see articles about every single extant political party in history, consensus at Articles for Deletion is to the contrary and there is no way that a free-standing piece on this organization would survive at this time. Carrite (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
@Carrite: If they can't be written up individually, you could always create a list (or more than one list) of all of them. Have a summary for each entry, and link to the main article for each if the article exists. That way, information is available still. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I am going to be adding a much longer list of references later today. Now the article will have impeccable references.

Dragunsky1922 (talk) 06:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


The page has been updated with thirteen sources, all of which are separate from the article's subject. Some of the news sources openly attack the article's subject.

I think the claim "The Party of Communists USA is too new to be on Wikipedia" is baseless, as the article's subject dates back to 1919, although the article's subject was officially created in 2014.

I am glad that you brought in some Wikipedia users that have experience working on Left-Wing articles. They will understand the next thing I am going to say, regarding relevance:

The article "Party of Communists USA" is relevant on Wikipedia because the Party of Communists USA is the only Marxist-Leninist Communist Party in the United States.

There is no other such formation on the left in existence in our country.

My submission is not the first nor the last time the Party of Communists USA will appear on Wikipedia.

So is there a minimum of 25 or 50 references required to publish a Wikipedia article? The "Time Factor" is a totally baseless claim; why then was the Women's March Wikipedia article already published, if that article's subject occurred only a month ago?

Please give me tips on improving the approval status on this article; I am not interested in "Time Factors" rather suggestions to get this article approved and uploaded to Wikipedia.

Many users will not understand what I mean by the "sole Marxist-Leninist Communist Party in the United States," but those users who work on Left-Wing Wikipedia articles will understand the importance and relevance of the article.


Dragunsky1922 (talk) 23:51, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Publishing scholarly papers[edit]

Hello All, One of the scholars from Georgetown University is writing scholarly papers on "Slavery" specially in relation to Islam and ISIS. I took his paper and created an article here then submitted it for review/approval. This submission was rejected stating this article reads like personal opinion and not Encyclopedic article.

I dont want to change his article, as it is a scholarly article, but then how do i publish it here as an encyclopedic article? Thanks for your help in advance!!!Larkin.Bryze (talk) 13:01, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Larkin.Bryze and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia articles should be based on a range of reliable sources, not on a single author's unreviewed and unpublished papers. It should summarize all the major views on the topic from reliable, independent sources - not summarize just one person's views. --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Also, if you have created the article by copying and pasting text wholesale from the source, then this is a copyright violation, Larkin.Bryze. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Larkin.Bryze. If you take a look at the disambiguation page Islam and slavery, you will see that we already have several articles covering this broad topic area. We do not accept duplicative articles. I suggest that you read Your first article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:46, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
It might be possible to expand some of these articles using the paper as a source, Larkin.Bryze. That's how we use sources on Wikipedia, rather than copying and pasting them into their own articles. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I have edited the page for the Linux Link Tech Show. How can I remove the Notability maintenance template?[edit]

I believe that I have helped to resolve this pages notability requirements. Is it just as simple as deleting the template? Could someone please share any help. Thank you kindly. Huminahhuminah (talk) 02:20, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, but chatlogs for the very first episode do not really establish notability. You need professionally published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are not affiliated with the subject but still specifically about it. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, so just to make sure I fully understand this. Will a reference to the show/podcast from a magazine that lists this as a reputable Linux podcast suffice?

Thank you for your time. Huminahhuminah (talk) 02:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Probably. See the general notability guidelines for more info. The magazine should be a professional mainstream source and it should provide in-depth coverage. An article about the podcast would work, though a single brief mention in a list might not. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:34, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Huminahhuminah. Directory type listings do not establish notability, and neither do passing mentions. Instead, we need references to significant coverage of the topic in independent, reliable sources. Experienced editors take these standards very seriously. The coverage must be significant and the sources must be completely independent. If such sources are not provided, then this article may well be deleted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

using census records as reference in a biography[edit]

I am working on a biography of Myrtle Broome. I have a reference that lists her birth year and city, father's name, but not mother's name. I could look up UK census information to determine her birthdate and mother's name.

Are census records ok to use in a biography? If so, do you have an example of how I would list that information in the reference area?

thanks MauraWen (talk) 01:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, MauraWen. Census records are a primary source, and so they may be used as references, but only in limited ways. For uncontroversial factual data such as you mention, it is almost certainly all right. For US Census records, you can use the template {{cite census}}. I'm not sure what's the best thing to do if it is somewhere else. --ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
MauraWen I agree with the above. You can use {{citation}} specifically like this: "Myrtle Florence Broome", United Kingdom Census 1901, Rootspoint.com, retrieved 23 February 2017 
I looked and could not find any census info on her. I found these though which should be helpful:
The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology should contain her obituary. If you have access to a library find these books:

is this really unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company ???[edit]

is this really unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecysound_Systems

"A tag has been placed on Prophecysound Systems, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic."

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... It contains only factual information and quotes of interest to researchers of the company, its history and products

Luminous Industries Australia (talk) 22:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Luminous Industries Australia: Most likely yes, since both the page has been deleted as such twice (as well as being unambiguous copyright infringement) and you have yourself been blocked for violating our username policy. TimothyJosephWood 23:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Having just looked at the deleted page, this was not a close call. This was very, very blatant advertising.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Symbol move vote.svg Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in anything which a subject (whether a company, a person, a band, a charity, or anything else) says or wants to say about itself. That includes the subject's own publications, and also anything published by an independent source but based on an interview or press release from the subject. An article should be largely based on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. In any case, every single fact or claim in an article should be derived from a published reliable source. Please see WP:V for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Is translating a Wikipedia article actually paid?[edit]

While I was translating a Japanese language article ja:かみさまみならい ヒミツのここたま into German using Special:ContentTranslation, I saw the text that shows 1$ on Japanese Wikipedia. Is it paid?WDCDECDCDC (talk) 22:42, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi WDCDECDCDC. The dollar symbol is used in variety of coding languages. I am guessing you saw some raw code. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
@WDCDECDCDC: I suspect you actually saw $1. It's used as a parameter name in system messages. See for example [6]. It's supposed to be replaced by some text in the call of a system message but this occasionally fails. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
And to answer your question directly, WDCDECDCDC, apart from a few employees of the Wikimedia Foundation who keep the servers going and look after the foundation's operation and fundraising, nobody is ever paid by the Foundation for work on Wikipedia or any of its sister projects. Sometimes people or companies employ people to work on articles: many editors disapprove of this process, and anybody who is being paid to edit is required to declare the fact according to WP:PAID. --ColinFine (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
There are occasional prizes (such as the WikiCup) and grants (for research projects, events, etc). But nobody's getting rich off of these. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Accessible Citations (Experiment)[edit]

The Goal:

Find the easiest/quickest route to follow a reference back to the original paragraph/sentence in which the writer/editor was reading.

Experiment:

This is how it looks in WikiCode:

Sentence.
{{efn|[https://ia601509.us.archive.org/18/items/LetterFromRome/Letter_from_Rome.pdf#56 ''Letter from Rome'', page 56.]}}

Another Sentence.
{{efn|[https://ia601509.us.archive.org/18/items/LetterFromRome/Letter_from_Rome.pdf#71 ''Letter from Rome'', page 71.]}}

== Accessible Citations ==

* {{Open Access}} [https://ia601509.us.archive.org/18/items/LetterFromRome/Letter_from_Rome.pdf Letter from Rome (PDF)]. Rome, Italy. 1871. 

{{notelist}}

This is how they look in the article:

Sentence.[a] Another Sentence [b]

Accessible Citations


open access publication – free to read Letter from Rome (PDF). Rome, Italy. 1871.

  1. ^ Letter from Rome, page 56.
  2. ^ Letter from Rome, page 71.
  • Higher Accessibility by having "Citations" separate from "References". This makes it more clear which article is accessible, and which one you are being linked to. Also, less clutter for the actual references section.
  • Something that I see for improvement would be a clever way to use bypass the URL in-line citations (since the only essential part is the #pagenumber). Ideally, an auto-generated link when using {{command|name|#page}}

Thoughts? Criticisms? Suggestions? =) Popcrate (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Popcrate. The {{efn}} template is for explanatory footnotes (E.F.N. is an acronym of that phrase), not citations. I suggest instead using either {{sfn}} (shortened footnotes) or {{Harvnb}} and calling them with {{reflist}}, rather than {{notelist}}. I like harvnb a lot. Also, that is not a transparent citation because the attribution details tell the reader little about the source. Let me give you an example (from an article I'm working on):
Code:
Text text text.<ref name="Proctor66">{{Harvnb|Proctor|Lynch|1998|p=66}}</ref> Text text text.<ref name="Pettingill32-33">{{Harvnb|Pettingill|1985|p=32-33}}</ref> "Quote text text text".<ref name="Proctor66"/> Text text text.<ref name="Pettingill187">{{Harvnb|Pettingill|1985|p=187}}</ref> Text text text.<ref name="Pettingill32-33"/> Text text text.<ref name="Proctor66"/> Text text text.<ref name="Pettingill187"/>
==References==
{{reflist}}
==Bibliography==
* {{cite book|ref=harv|first1=Olin Sewall, Jr. |last1=Pettingill|year=1985|title=Ornithology in Laboratory and Field. Fifth Edition|publisher=Academic Press|isbn=0-12-552455-2|location=Orlando, FL}}
* {{cite book |ref=harv|title=Manual of Ornithology: Avian Structure and Function |first1=Noble S. |last1=Proctor |first2=Patrick J. |last2=Lynch |year=1998 |publisher=Yale University Press |location=New Haven, CT |isbn=0-300-07619-3}}
Output:

Text text text.[1] Text text text.[2] "Quote text text text".[1] Text text text.[3] Text text text.[2] Text text text.[1] Text text text.[3]

==References==

  1. ^ a b c Proctor & Lynch 1998, p. 66
  2. ^ a b Pettingill 1985, p. 32-33
  3. ^ a b Pettingill 1985, p. 187

==Bibliography==

  • Pettingill, Olin Sewall, Jr. (1985). Ornithology in Laboratory and Field. Fifth Edition. Orlando, FL: Academic Press. ISBN 0-12-552455-2. 
  • Proctor, Noble S.; Lynch, Patrick J. (1998). Manual of Ornithology: Avian Structure and Function. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press. ISBN 0-300-07619-3. 
Now click on one of the shortened footnotes, and you'll see it links to the full citation in the bibliography. Neat, huh? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:24, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

What needs to be done to establish a Project Page[edit]

Hi, I have created an account and am registered. All I want to do is create a Proof of Concept for my team and really do not understand the process. We are just looking for collaboration of subject matter between different organizations that make up an alliance to support our client. Nothing fancy. NAEPAutomation (talk) 22:00, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for joining the team. Projects on Wikipedia are called WikiProjects. They are intended to be collaborations to develop and maintain an aspect or subject area of Wikipedia. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a web page hosting site. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for everyone in the world, that everyone in the world can help to build and maintain. Thank you for asking. For business collaborations, you might want to look up web hosting service and wiki. The Transhumanist 22:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, NAEPAutomation. It sounds to me as if you are not wanting Wikipedia at all, but are wanting your own private Wiki (there are thousands and thousands of wikis on the web, some of them public and some private. Wikipedia is just the biggest and best known one) There are sites like Wikia where you can create your own wiki; or if somebody in your organisation has the know-how and access to a server, you could download the Mediawiki software that runs Wikipedia, and have your own private wiki on your own private server. --ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, ColinFine. You are right. I found that out from an individual reviewer. So, I guess I can myself delete the page? 205.251.79.68 (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Wanted to create an entry for an improv comedy troupe[edit]

I'd submitted an entry for my old improvisational theater troupe from Cincinnati. The troupe ran for nearly 6 years and gave rise to numerous other local acts within the arts community -- including the currently extant Over-the-Rhine Improv troupe.

I estimate the artistic contributions of such an organization to be comparable to other local theater groups. So why might such an article be declined?

...aside from my lack of published references for performances that is. And would classified ads from the Cincinnati Enquirer be adequate if I wanted to try again, this time doing my actual homework?

Jolachimera (talk) 20:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jolachimera, and welcome to the Teahouse. Frankly, your estimation of the organization plays no part here. It's all about estimation made in reliable sources.
On Wikipedia, there is virtually nothing aside from reliable sources that contribute to the suitability of content on the encyclopedia. It's all about summarizing what such sources have written.
No, ads don't count. All content must be based on published, reliable sources that are independent of the troupe. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 21:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

how to add notable person to Fort Myers FL list of notable people[edit]

how to add notable person to Fort Myers FL list of notable people?173.165.210.169 (talk) 19:42, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Please note that all of the listings of notable people are blue links, and references to reliable sources verify their connections to Fort Myers. The blue links indicate that we have biographies of those people on Wikipedia, If the person you want to add to the list has a Wikipedia biography, then click the "edit" button and add that person. Use the same format as the other entries. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Died/Passed away[edit]

Hey Teahouse, TPM here. I remember seeing a WP page where if someone passed away, you should use "died" instead of "passed away". Where on EnWiki did I see that?

The Phase Master 19:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey TPM, probably at WP:EUPHEMISM. TimothyJosephWood 19:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Yep, that was it. Thanks!
The Phase Master 19:09, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Insert Flying Circus reference here... - NsTaGaTr (Talk) 20:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Is there a WC page similar to files for discussion on WP?[edit]

Hi again! I am glad to see that wp has a way to remove a brain cramp, but I've got some on WC too. Does WC have an equivalent way of doing that? Thanks, DennisPietras (talk) 18:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey DennisPietras. I think you may be looking for Commons:Deletion requests. TimothyJosephWood 18:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Tournesol.png Thank you DennisPietras (talk) 19:02, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


how to mark an article for deletion?[edit]

I found an article ( Rafi Tshuva ) that only has one sentence and little very little evidence to make it notable. How can I mark this article for deletion, if need be? Bedsidelamp (talk) 16:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Bedsidelamp. The process (and the three different kinds of deletion) is discussed at WP:Deletion policy. Please note that it is better to improve an article than to delete it, unless it cannot be saved; so it is worth doing a little research first to determine whether the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If he clearly does not, then nominate it for deletion; but if he might do, it is better to tag the article with a template such as {{unreferenced}}, and see if somebody improves it. If you do go ahead with deletion, the process is much much easier if you enable Twinkle and use that. --ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Bedsidelamp. Notability depends on the topic and how much coverage it has received in reliable sources. The lack of sources actually in the article does not mean that the topic is not notable. The first step is to investigate whether this person meets our Notability guideline for association football players. If so, the article should be improved rather than deleted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
@Bedsidelamp and Cullen328: He meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for footballers as he's played for his country. As such, it'd be difficult/impossible to get a consensus to delete. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
That is what I thought likely, Joseph2302, but since my personal knowledge of association football is negligible, I thought it best to let others express that opinion. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

References of Article's[edit]

Wikipedia is one of the best tool of knowledge, but as everything as some demerits and marits. So I think there are shortcomings which makes Wikipedia less reliable. These are lack cited or references sibject and less securities biz anyone types or edit anything even not pure knowledge about the articles. For an example some day ago I have seen an article about my city in which more things are written was not satisfied. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishor Jpotra (talkcontribs) 16:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Kishor Jpotra. You're absolutely right: that is the down-side of allowing anybody to edit. Articles (and individual pieces of information in an article) are in a sense completely worthless without references that a reader can in principle check. But if we removed every unreferenced claim from an article, there would be a lot less material in Wikipedia. This is the dilemma.
What you can do, like anybody else, is to help us, by finding references to reliable sources: referencing for beginners will tell you how to do this; but even if you don't feel confident about adding the references to an article, you could list the references you found on the article talk page for somebody else to add to that article. Adding a few references to an existing article can be more valuable that writing a new article. Thank you for your concern. --ColinFine (talk) 17:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Deleted page[edit]

this page is subject to cancellation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carola_Insolera In the discussion page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Carola_Insolera I gave them the reasons why i do not believe this page should be deleted. can you please help me solving this case? thank you. Magise (talk) 16:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not a host, just a newbie who has struggled to come to grips with current wp policies. I looked at the article. I think it should not be deleted. There comes a point, IMHO, when a sufficient volume of primary sources should make a topic notable. DennisPietras (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

General structure of an article[edit]

Hi! I'm editing the article "Slow Wave Sleep" for my physiology class. I remember from the trainings that thing to look for is a good leading section. Any tips on how a good general structure (subsections) of a medical article should look/address? C.q20n.17 (talk) 15:21, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, C.q20n.17! All articles are expected to follow the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If you're looking for a layout for a specific type of article, I'd recommend reading another article of a similar subject, and looking at how that is laid out. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page. Thanks! MereTechnicality 15:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! 150.108.240.133 (talk) 17:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Adding to what MereTechnicality said, it's best if you choose a Featured article or a Good article on a similar subject; otherwise you run the risk of copying the layout of a not-very-good article. (You can pick those links to get lists of the articles) --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Help with editing a biography[edit]

Hi! I am currently editing a biography, "Al-Kawthari" to be exact. Could you give me some tips? Khalidulhaq1982 (talk) 10:47, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Khalidulhaq1982. MOS:BIO lists conventions for biographies on Wikipedia. Looking at other biographies is also useful. – Joe (talk) 11:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

How do i get help editing articles[edit]

Hi, i have a article that was not approved for posting as it was seen as too much like a corporate advertisement. However, the purpose is just to create a information overview about what the company does. is there any way i can run the content through someone so that i can edit it for approval? 101.127.234.113 (talk) 03:49, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes there is: Wikipedia:Article wizard – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 11:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Symbol move vote.svg Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in anything which a subject (whether a company, a person, a band, a charity, or anything else) says or wants to say about itself. That includes the subject's own publications, and also anything published by an independent source but based on an interview or press release from the subject. An article should be largely based on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. In any case, every single fact or claim in an article should be derived from a published reliable source. Please see WP:V for more information.. --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Four questions regarding article creation, articles existing in different languages and stub creation.[edit]

Hello:

I have a few questions that are all related to the creation of articles and stubs.

Firstly, is there an established method to introduce an article or stub that exists in one language version of Wikipedia to another?

I tried to introduce a stub that exists on fr.wikipedia.org to en.wikipedia.org, but it was rejected on notability grounds. I had thought that if an article or stub existed in any language on Wikipedia that its notability was established. I did some reading, and from what I understand the requirements for stubs seem to be the same as for articles. On the other hand, I have seen several stubs that are pretty slim on supporting references and are less than 750 characters long when first created. I have also just discovered that “stub maker” is a real label that some editors have.

Secondly, is it possible to request a “stub maker” to create a specific stub?

Thirdly, what would someone need to do to become a “stub maker”?

In the first case where I had tried to introduce the stub my plan was to get the stub in place and return to it later to flesh it out into a full article myself. I’m not sure if that is considered appropriate – it could be seen as a little self-serving.

Fourthly, is it acceptable to create a stub with the intent to revisit it later and expand it to article status yourself?

Thanks, Kumboloi (talk) 19:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Kumboloi - You seem to misunderstand a "stub". To quote WP:STUB:- "A stub is an article deemed too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject." You should not deliberately aim to create a "stub" you should aim to create a full article, which, due to lack of coverage, may be deemed to be a stub. The standards for any article are the same - a stub that does not meet WP:42, is an article that does not meet our basic standards, so it should be deleted. There are no lower standards for a stub. - Arjayay (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback Arjayay. I had read the requirements for stubs and saw that the requirements were the same as for articles. That notwithstanding, I've come across a lot of stub/articles that (in my opinion) don't meet the requirements. That got me speculating about the possibility that stub articles are given more leeway under certain circumstances to, in effect, "seed" the creation of more extensive articles. Kumboloi (talk) 22:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Kumboloi. Each language version of Wikipedia has its own policies and rules, so it is quite possible that a topic considered notable on the French Wikipedia wouldn't be considered notable on the English Wikipedia, but I would say it is equally likely that it doesn't meet the notability criteria of the French Wikipedia but that that has not been noticed yet. You can certainly find articles on the English Wikipedia that should be deleted. I'm not aware of a policy for starting articles here that already exist on other language variants of Wikipedia, unless the article is a translation of an already existing article, in which case you need to credit the source article. See Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate on how to do this. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for replying Cordless Larry. I'll take a look at the "How to translate" article. Kumboloi (talk) 22:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
@Kumboloi: Wikipedia:Stub Makers is not an official position but just a term some users use to describe themselves. Anyone can say it. It has no consequences. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi PrimeHunter. Thanks for the clarification. I think it was the article you linked above that gave me the impression that this was more of an official capacity rather than a function that they took on themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumboloi (talkcontribs) 04:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the feedback on my earlier questions. I am pretty much left with just one at present:

If stubs are just short articles and have to meet the same notability requirements, how do they ever get created?

Kumboloi (talk) 13:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

They don't get created much nowadays, Kumboloi. They are mostly relics of an earlier period, when we were less picky about new articles. --ColinFine (talk) 17:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine. What you're saying makes much more sense. I was trying to reconcile the current policy with the legacy articles that I was tripping across. The upshot seems to be that I should not worry about stubs unless there's an existing one that I can add materially to. Kumboloi (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Youtube explainer video summaries of wikipedia articles and improve user friendliness[edit]

Hi! I've a few ideas on how to improve wikipedia but don't know how to implement it

1. Problem - people are visual don't like to read it's unnatural boring long noone will do it except "nerds" (homo sapiens eyes evolved for other stuff).

Solution - animated explainer videos summarizing the article for people who don't like reading. This would allow people on youtube to get all the info in an easy way without boring reading

Maybe even create a youtube wikipedia channel and share the world's knowledge with video

2. Problem - the site's outline is confusing and for "nerds". A normal person who's not on computer all day and doesn't understand how internet works will find wikipedia too complicated confusing etc

Solution - the biggest websites in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites)

https://www.google.com/ https://www.youtube.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ https://www.amazon.com/ https://twitter.com/ https://www.instagram.com/?hl=en https://www.microsoft.com/en-us

are all simple nicely designed visual to the point and user friendly in general

Look at all of these top websites. All these top websites look amazing and wikipedia looks awful compared to them but has lots of knowledge and if it looked better and had better user friendliness more people would use it

e.g. A clear "Outline" on the main page of how wikipedia works, simple navigation, nice design, better fonts, more visual, more pictures, better design in general

The main goal is to improve user friendliness of wikipedia to average people so that more people can read it / watch videos here and learn stuff

How to implement this? Maybe there are some better suggestions? What's preventing Wikipedia from using videos, better design and user-friendliness? Can wikipedia be redesigned and use video?

Other educational websites that look much better than Wikipedia and are more user friendly

https://www.khanacademy.org/ https://www.edx.org/ https://www.coursera.org/

Why can't Wikipedia look better? Is it so difficult or expensive?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Old_Wikipedia.png - this is how old wikipedia looked and the current one looks way too old, it needs to be redesigned

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dndm49 (talkcontribs) 06:30, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Dndm49 (talk) 06:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dndm49: I think the best way to go here is to draw up some specific UI suggestions and show people what it should look like. You can upload these on Wikimedia Commons and start a discussion about it on the village pump to gather community consensus on any changes that should be made. Also, I'd recommend you change the entire framing of the problem to something other than "nerds vs. everyone else." I don't think this is a convincing or constructive way to suggest improvements to the UI, at all. I JethroBT drop me a line 06:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Dndm49. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions and get answers about editing Wikipedia, and so I recommend the Village Pump as a better place for a philosophical discussion about Wikipedia's future. However, I will offer some preliminary thoughts. Reading and writing has been the main method for people to communicate and transmit knowledge for millennia. Obviously, video is of great contemporary importance but good video is the product of great writing first of all, followed by highly skilled team effort .
When you linked to the list of biggest websites, you failed to mention that Wikipedia is #5 on that list. Google is #1 and mostly indexes and searches written content. Google's subsidiary YouTube at #2 hosts videos produced by others. Facebook at #3 allows people to connect with friends and family, using links to written, graphic and video content. Baidu at #4 provides similar services for Chinese readers.
Wikipedia at #5 outranks all the other big businesses you mentioned, and hosts by far the most comprehensive and extensive treasure trove of originally written educational content on the internet. Our readership proves our relevance.
So, if Wikipedia is so popular, read regularly by hundreds of millions of people, containing over five million English articles and tens of millions in other languages, then it cannot possibly be true that a "normal person" "will find Wikipedia too complicated . . . confusing".
As for your idea of adding more video content to Wikipedia, the only obstacle is the difficulty of high quality video production. There is no doubt that video production is far easier now than it was 20 to 30 years ago. But it is not truly easy. It is a team effort requiring research, planning, writing, camera work, on camera talent, special effects, editing, coordinating location shots and so on. One person can write a Wikipedia article on a niche topic although others may join in to help. Creating a really useful video requires assembling a documentary filmmaking crew. Because this is a volunteer project, they must all be volunteers willing to give away their labor and expertise for free. Do you think that is an easy thing? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Cullen328, and I'm not really sure what needs to change. Videos, explainer or otherwise, can already be uploaded to our sister project Wikimedia Commons, and a few articles, such as Zika virus, already contain explainer videos. (Zika virus video at right) As in all things here on Wikipedia, if you want more articles to contain explainer videos, you're going to have to create more explainer videos. SNice.svg Also, I find your idea that "normal people don't like to read" ridiculous. Psiĥedelisto (talk) 09:50, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

We have more than 180 high quality medical videos here[7] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:38, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to agree with dndm49, I am very computer illiterate. I mostly find your service wonderfully informative and have donated a tiny bit in the past because I really DO appreciate your services. BUT as I came on your "dashboard" today to find out how to ask a simple question - i.e. how do I ask for a certain item to be written about? - I found there are lists and links and crazy stuff I don't understand EVERYWHERE, lol. And many times I don't have the time to sit down and try to wade thru all that "nerd stuff", which it pretty much is. If it's not written in "English", it doesn't help me at all. Just my opinion, thanks for the opportunity!

Theresa 108.191.58.141 (talk) 19:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

By the way, I'm good at editing but definitely NOT at verifying information. I don't even know how I found THIS page, haha!

Theresa 108.191.58.141 (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks everyone I actually got my 2 questions answered. First - there is a chrome extension Wikiwand which solves the user friendliness problem. Second - explainer videos already exist, to get more I / we need to produce more. So it's all good. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dndm49 (talkcontribs) 21:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Website[edit]

how do i put my info in the internet . — Preceding unsigned comment added by De Silva(Thugga) (talkcontribs) 10:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello De Silva(Thugga) and welcome to the Teahouse.
While this page is for asking questions about how to edit on Wikipedia and new questions are normally placed at the top of the page rather than the bottom, I'll take a stab at answering while leaving the question down here.
Wikipedia is not a venue for advertising your website. You should be able to easily find website hosting services on the internet, a few of them are even "free" for small, starter websites. They vary a lot in the types of services offered. If you're just a beginner, I suggest paying the modest amount needed to put up a website on one of the "full service" web host providers. They have software that makes it relatively easy to put up a nice-looking website and their systems will usually do a good job of preventing your website from being hacked or abused. jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 10:14, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

how i can edit a page[edit]

I want to add something in a page but always removed my data — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usamakaror (talkcontribs) 14:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Usamakaror. Your edits to Karor Lal Esan have been reverted because they are inappropriate. Adding the postal code alone would be fine (though it really belongs in the infobox rather than in the text, and all information is better if it is referenced) but adding the name of an internet adviser looks like promotion, which is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. In any case, if someody reverts an edit you make, you should not just apply it again, but should discuss the matter with the other editor: see WP:BRD. Please also read WP:42. --ColinFine (talk) 19:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Article can be edited, but only to add material[edit]

I wanted to make minor copy edits to a section of an article, and the edit box was mostly blank. What is going on? [8]--Quisqualis (talk) 02:11, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

That section of the article is transcluded from another article, entitled Glass–Steagall in post-financial crisis reform debate.
If you make changes to the latter, they'll show up in the main article. (But maybe only after doing a 'refresh', or just waiting a while - or a 'purge', see that link) 86.20.193.222 (talk) 09:50, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Articles about parasitic diseases in humans and animals[edit]

I would like to greatly expand some articles on parasites of Tropical game herds. I keep being told different information, which seems more related to other editors having a sense of ownership of the articles than to any real policy. For example, I was told I had to add the information about non-human animals at the end of relevant sections to the article about the disease in humans, rather than the separate article, and that this was policy. Now that I point out the animal disease article already exists, the person is back peddling.

But I don't see any policy that says I have to do that in the first place. It would be ridiculous to add ten paragraphs on wildland herd immunities to the end of a section that doesn't exist in a human disease article that is much more sporadically and differently distributed in humans. It's like, okay, here's the disease in humans, now let me add nothing about this aspect than talk about the eastern and western game herd spreads and farm animal breeds. Humans are impacted by parasites in sometimes the same way, sometimes different ways than other animals. But if you have entire departments in dozens of countries and billions of dollars to study the disease in animals, you shouldn't force writers to add 20 paragraphs, spread out, as an afterthought, to the human disease.

I can't find the policy that says I have to write about animal parasites as an afterthought to humans. My edits are being reverted, and I am being lectured. The parasitology articles have large sections that are plagiarized. They need work. I am willing to do it. But I get told it's against policy, no it's not, yes it is, revert, go away.

And, no I will never ever try a user name again. So don't tell me it's easier with a user name.

I want to edit animal parasitology articles. I want to see the policy that is causing my edits to be reverted. Can anyone show me that?

2601:648:8503:4467:F090:EC3E:A4AD:A34C (talk) 03:13, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

We can't help explain why edits were reverted unless we can see the edits. Because you are using an IP address which has no other edits, it's hard to know what edits you are talking about.
In broad principle, you're right that a subject (such as an animal parasite) could warrant its own article, if there is enough information about it available in appropriate reliable sources.
And if there are sections that are copied from non-free sources, then indeed those need to be removed immediately.
However, in the above, I'm only seeing your side of the argument; I'd need to see the context of the discussion.
Therefore, please show us where you're having problems - which articles - and where this discussion has taken place, and then we can try to help. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 19:27, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I have been editing for a while now, and you're inviting me to be heavily scrutinized, criticized, and insulted for editing. No, I don't want my edits under a microscope. They've been fine. Every edit on Wikipedia requires 10 non editors to discuss it. Then, after being reverted, insulted, and criticized my edits usually stand, although sometimes with some English help.
If the policy that says animal medicine must be written as an after thought to human medicine cannot be found without criticizing, insulting, and scrutinizing everything I've done, maybe there is no such policy.
My side of the argument? How will engaging forever and ever on an argument, if one even existed, help to write an encyclopedia?
I have been writing about plant viruses. Plant editors correct my grammar. I want to write about animal African sleeping sickness. Animal editors revert everything. I am not asking you if enough sources exist. I already know the answer. I know how to add sources. I know how to weight sources. The topic is notable. I correspond with the governments of 43 nations that have agencies devoted to this disease in animals, not humans. I write about the animal disease. I don't want a user name. I don't care why. I don't need links to 5000 word essays about how to change the word "an" to "a" in Wikipedia. I am looking for the policy that says instead of including the disease in its own article that already exists, I have to add animal herd distributions at the appropriate section to the human article, as I have been reverted and told this is the policy. I read the medical articels manual of style, and it, like every wall of text thrown at me thus far, did not incoude the relevant information. And not just this article. I want to see the policy so I understand it with other game and domestic herd parasitology articles.
I also tried removing the plagiarized material, and that got reverted, and I was falsely told that you can't tell whether the source copied Wikipedia or vice versa, then it turned out that the Wikipedia user was known to have plagiarized articles all over Wikipedia and was banned for it. But I couldn't remove his stuff! No, there is no "must be removed immediately," even if Wikipedia aknowledges the plagiriam.
I want to see the policy that says animal diseases are just subsets of human diseases. I don't want to have every word I add criticized ten more times, along with all my actions, and discussions about my behavior in response to being treated so shabbily. I am just trying to find the policy. This was advertised as a friendly place to ask a question, but there is not much friendly about Wikipedia, when it comes to editing articles that people consider their personal turf, and your response sounds like you're gearing up to put me in my place (off Wikipedia), but I assure you others are already lined up for that.
I'd like to edit. 2600:387:6:805:0:0:0:C4 (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

General question on an AfC[edit]

This is a real greenhorn question, and I know I'm failing at the "be bold" directive, but I'm looking at this AfC submission and don't know what to do. It strikes me as fulfilling the WP:PROF notability guideline (the subject is the chair of a mainstream department at a prestigious school), but the article reads like his CV, which strikes me as coathangery. Am I correct in concluding that the article should be accepted on the basis that it seems to satisfy notability and the guidelines on citations for BLP, and is just in need of a substantial amount of editing? Dunready (talk) 07:31, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Your first task on reviewing the AFC submission would be to address the copyright violation from https://www.utsystem.edu/sites/neuroscience/blog/2015/05/22/dr-john-byrne-running-sfn-president (so you were correct in saying that it looks like his CV). - David Biddulph (talk) 08:05, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Dunready (talk) 08:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
(I went ahead and followed your advice. Thanks again for the help.) Dunready (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Interestingly, I now see that the article John H. Byrne, created by the same editor, was speedily deleted for the same reason in June 2016. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:47, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Writing articles in my Sandbox[edit]

I have a partially completed article in my Sandbox, but wish to start writing a second one.

Is there anywhere to store partially written articles for later work or can I only work on one at a time?

FRAS (talk) 10:19, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you can have multiple userspace drafts. The easiest thing is to move User:FRAS/sandbox to User:FRAS/Ipswich Scientific-Gossip Society and then start your second draft at User:FRAS/whatever you want the next title to be. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:54, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Extended Confirmed Users[edit]

Hi, how do you become an extended Confirmed user? Thanks L1amw90 (talk) 16:36, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, L1amw90, and welcome to the Teahouse. After your account is 30 days old and you have made 500 edits. The right will be given automatically. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 16:46, 24 February 2017 (UTC)