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I have updated an article that was deleted. How to transfer name?

I have recently updated an article and send it for review as the original name was not allowed given that this article was deleted a few years ago ->

Is it possible for someone to review it and transfer the name "Valeri Lilov" as a head title?

Thank you, Will — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chesszorro (talkcontribs) 15:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Will and welcome to The Teahouse. We don't need to change the article name, since we use the commonly used name of the article subject. That appears to be what was done in this case.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Is it possible to make a redirection of to in this case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chesszorro (talkcontribs) 08:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Valeri Lilov was deleted and the article was protected from re-creation. Chesszorro is attempting to circumvent this. --SubSeven (talk) 17:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Not confirmed

My account is not confirmed yet. I am not able to upload pics. Its been 4 days since i created the account and i have also done 10 edits. plz help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rameshnta909 (talkcontribs) 18:14, 18 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You haven't counted correctly. It won't be 4 days until later today. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:40, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Function of table format for List of short stories by Alice Munro?

Hi, I'm seeking opinions on a List of short stories by Alice Munro in table format. What, in your opinion, would be the function of a sortable table of literary works, in this case of short stories that are usually published in magazines first? Hence: What kinds of questions should readers be able to answer with such a (sortable) table that a simple alphabetical list can not answer for? I have made a couple of entries which serve as an example of information that could be included for works of a living author like Alice Munro. Other example lists on works of short story writers include P. G. Wodehouse (simple list), Anton Chekhov, J. M. G. Le Clezio, Isaac Asimov, Harry Harrison, Robert Sheckley (simple list), Agatha Christie, and David R. Bunch. Thank you for any comments. --Jackentasche (talk) 10:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jackentasche, thanks for your interesting question. I think a sortable table for a list of this size can answer many questions. One basic one might be over the order in which she published her novels, which would provide answers to more complex questions about how the nature of her writing changed or how earlier works influenced later works of hers. Being able to sort by title would make an individual work easier to find, and being able to show what publications often featured Munro's work. So by all means, I think a table format is very useful in this case. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:22, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, can you (or anyone else, for that matter) advise me on the best format, given the example tables for works by other short story authors on enWP (see links above)? Two examples from deWP that have kindly been pointed out to me might also be of interest: de:Jacques Brel/Diskografie and de:Liste der Werke von Georges Simenon. Thanks. Jackentasche (talk) 06:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't think there's a single "best format" for a broad class of articles like these ones. I would just go with whatever you think would be useful to readers and, if other editors have an interest, go with whatever consensus agrees upon. I, JethroBT drop me a line 06:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi I JethroBT, I like your last suggestion best yet no other editor has shown any interest so far which is why I came here in the first place, btw, cheers to the Teahose! New question: Where would you go to raise this topic, also with the aim to find collaborators for this task which would be huge and hence had better be shared not least with view to quality I guess. Thanks again, Jackentasche (talk) 09:48, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

How to add Reflist for a separate talk page section?

Talk:Growth of religion here, at the last section, trying to add reflist, but it includes just every other reference. How it can be done, that only those refs can appear, those i added in the section. Bladesmulti (talk) 17:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You probably want Template:Reflist-talk. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
David Biddulph, already tried it, didn't worked, you can edit that section for me? So i can know better, and next time i will remember too. Bladesmulti (talk) 17:42, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Done. Needed to include it in pevious section too. The documentation of the template wasn't crystal-clear, was it? - David Biddulph (talk) 17:56, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes i saw, Thanks! Appreciated :-) Bladesmulti (talk) 18:07, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


Poker, one card each player. One player has the ace of spades. One player has the wild card. Wild card declares ace. Spades is highest of suites. Because wild card can be anything, is it higher than the ace of spades because of potential when the next card is turned or is it a tie, first ace shown? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello. This is a page for discussing how to edit and improve Wikipedia. For factual questions such as this, you may want to ask at the Reference desk. Regards --LukeSurl t c 15:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

How could I find which information appears to be an adviretisement

Hi I'have created page of David Cregeen and it has some issue on advertisement and verification. I've read the page of "Verifiability" and "What Wikipedia is not" and although I've chopped some information that might be associeted with advertisement and cited some information, the warning is still on the page.So is there a way to learn which sentences are considered as advertisement and which one needs citation on this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, 78.181. There is nothing automatic about those warnings: they are placed there by an editor like you or me, and get removed by an editor like you or me. If you believe you have fixed the problems, you can remove the warnings (you'll find them at the very top of the article) - of course, if another editor disagrees, they could restore them, and then you can have a discussion about it on the article's talk page.
Looking at the article, I think you have largely fixed them, but it could still be better. "His professional standing was established and confirmed" is still somewhat promotional, and should not occur in an article unless it is taken directly from a cited reliable source. And the "Early life and education" section has no sources at all. So I would be inclined to remove the current warnings, but I might well add Template:refimprove in their place, which says that the article needs more citations.
Three other little things: first, please look up the words "principle" and "principal". Secondly, in your question above, it is the spaces you have put at the start of some of the lines which makes it come out formatted so oddly. And finally, in talk and discussion pages such as this one (not in articles!) please sign your contributions with four tildes (~~~~). --ColinFine (talk) 13:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

End of the line — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about Visual Editor and contributions


I can't use Visual Editor even though I use Chrome, Windows 7 and Vector. The page just turns pale and does nothing. I've asked at the VE place but so far no reason given.

Also, until the last few days User contributions were listed under the toolbox in the left margin of a user page. Now that has disappeared completely on all the user pages I've investigated, including my own. This is awful because often user contributions are the only way to find out what article is being talked about, since mostly people don't provide links any more. Thanks, Soranoch (talk) 16:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Looking for advice re: new page


I've created a new page, and I'd love to hear some experienced feedback on it. The page is here:



PsychResearch2000 (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello PsychResearch2000 and welcome to the the Teahouse. Please review our notability guideline for academics at WP:ACADEMIC, and be prepared to explain how the subject of your draft article meets that guideline. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:50, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Where is the Best Place to Start Editing?

Although I am an editor for The New York Times Website, it has come to my attention that in order to become a better Wikipedia editor, I must re-learn editing, in Wikipedian form. My question, is where is the best place to start? Thanks for your time. Here2HelpWiki3-to-talk 22:55, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey HHW. For a structured path to learning editing, I'd start with the Wikipedia:Tutorial and I'd bookmark the Cheatsheet for a refresher as needed of what you just learned. Get a good grasp of some of the major guidelines and policies you'll be introduced to through the tutorial, such as verifiability, neutral point of view, no original research, notability and what Wikipedia is not. From a "what-to-edit" perspective, it's hard to know without knowing a bit more about your strengths, likes and dislikes, but generally, you might look at the list of ways to help out at the Wikipedia:Community portal. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:07, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


I have seen lots of people with names that have special styles other features, such as a set of small words at the end, colors, italics. Can someone please tell me how or why they do this? Here2HelpWiki (talk)

Hi @Here2HelpWiki:: You can modify your signature in your preferences. If you click on it (should be in the top right corner), a subheader reading "Signature" is where you want to go. Modifcations can be done using a combination of wiki-markup or HTML coding. You can copy and paste the code from someone elses' signature (like mine) to get a sense of a few things you can modify. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:34, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) As for why they change it, purely for ascetic value, we like to have unique signatures. (I JethroBT, I fixed your ping, hope you don't mind (you fixed it in an edit conflict).) Thanks, Matty.007 20:38, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for trying to fix it-- you're always welcome to fix silly mistakes I make like that. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the Help! Heres my new signature! Here2HelpWiki3-to-talk 21:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

How can I Help Wikipedia?

I am a new user. I Recently discovered the "Teahouse" and was reading some questions people asked. I saw that someone called Todays Extra, with lots of experience in editing, asked how he could contribute. I do not have that much experience, but I am familiar with the kind of software that Wikipedia uses, and have recently, (a month and two weeks) have been hired by The New York Times to be one of the many editors for their website. What can I do to help? (P. S. I have plans to be VERY Active, seeing how now due to my new schedule, I have A LOT of free time.) -Thanks Here2HelpWiki (talk) 19:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello Here2HelpWiki! It's likely that you have lots of access to information sources that may not be available to everyone, so adding information and references to articles using these sources would be great. You will also have a good handle on what topics are being written about, and by whom. You'll have to be careful about conflict of interest if you are writing about your employer or colleagues, but other than that, just go to it! —Anne Delong (talk) 20:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

How do i get in to WikiProjects Articles for Creations?

(see above) Today's Xtra (talk) 18:04, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

To borrow the terminology of PMQs, "I refer the honorable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier"; in this case, to your question: #How do you Accept Articles (ACF) And Decline Them?. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I just created a profile on Dr Reed Nesbit - a very prominent urologist from the University of Michigan

When do I find out that this has been accepted? What happens next? (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/ shows no other edits but after a Google search I guess you mean Reed M. Nesbit which hasn't been indexed by our own search function yet. It was created by User:Krghani shortly before your post here. You created it directly in article space without submitting a draft for review with the process at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. This means it's already part of the encyclopedia with no formal acceptance process, but it also increases the risk that someone will delete it or nominate it for deletion without giving you time to improve any problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


Could you please link me to a page with user page templates? Here2HelpWiki (talk) 15:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

If you mean Userboxes, they can be found here. --LukeSurl t c 16:00, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


I would love to become an Admin one day, but I need someone to teach me the ropes of Wikipedia, WITHOUT just dropping a template on my talk page. Any volunteers? I am up for adoption.--Today's Xtra (talk) 14:25, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Today, please check out Mentorship and Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:41, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism

Hello, I need help with Nanotyrannus page. '' is changing the temporal range to 65.5 but it is not true because Cretaceous period ends at 66 Ma. I explained him/her but he/she is still doing it. What should I do? Paleocemoski (talk) 13:38, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Oops, wrong person. He/she is Paleocemoski (talk) 13:52, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Rather than edit-warring about it, you need to discuss it on the article talk page, giving references to reliable sources to support your view. You also need to check Wikipedia's definition of vandalism. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Greeting Paleocemoski and welcome to the Teahouse. To expand on what David said a bit what you described may not be wp:vandalism. It's an important distinction because accusing someone of wp:vandalism is rather serious and likely to make the discussion emotional rather than focusing on the issue, which sounds as if it is a simple debate about a scientific fact. As David said the place to start the discussion is on the talk page of the article. Also, you can go directly to the user's page and leave a comment there as well. My advice is to try and be patient. Give them time to see the comment and reply. If they continue to ignore you and if they just reverse your change again then you may need to follow the process here: wp:dispute resolution Hopefully, you can work things out with the other editor. RedDog (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

How do I avoid an edit war?

At Jefferson Davis I have posted sources for which flag to use in the infobox at the article Talk (I have been persuasive at Confederate States of America). Lieutcoluseng has repeatedly reverted the flag while legitimately contributing elsewhere in the article. He has not come to Talk to discuss. I left the following message on his Talk page to try to avoid an edit war. Please read the Talk section on the flag Jefferson Davis served under --- the historical Jefferson Davis --- at Talk. If you have counter sources, they should be discussed there, rather than disrupt the article page with unsourced reversions. Thanks. --- Is there anything more I need to do? I have already been blocked for edit warring because an editor accused me first, -- the count depends on when you begin the counting, the count to three reversions begins at the complainant accusation -- but I don't like that as a solution. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:29, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi TheVirginiaHistorian, welcome to the teahouse. I am tempted to think of arguments over flags in infoboxes as a step even worse than arguments over infoboxes themselves. Something to be avoided! However, you do indeed seem to have raised this issue on the talk page of the article without any response. On the other hand, as far as I can see, the version of the article as promoted to FA did not include your preferred flag, and there was no discussion of flags in the FAC. So I suggest you embark on a Wikipedia:Requests for comment on your talk page observations, so that a wider range of people can comment. As a recently promoted FA, there are certain to be plenty of people interested. Once that RFC reaches a consensus, be patient about its enforcement - these things always get sorted out in the end, so there is no need to edit war just because the consensus version gets reverted out for a day or two. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, when I saw the article nominated for FA, I noted the unsourced blood-stained-banner had been substituted for my previous edit of the stars-and-bars. I published the talk section with sources, and I've reverted reverts three times without any counter sources being offered. I'm not sure how to count the instant of the FA award, so I'm not sure who won the reverting lottery at the time of FA award, but now the next step is an RfC? Okay. I'm interested in learning how Wikipedia can work with sourced information versus POV.
Previously, I noted a systematic use of a "Blood stained banner" on Confederate military biography pages which is used by a modern group of (peaceful, law-abiding) petitioners for secession who promote candidates in local state elections who commit to secede their states from the Union in the 21st century. Their motto is the flag has been in continuous use 'since 1865' by those who believe the USG illegitimate, ignoring the 'settled law' as now practiced in the U.S. I suggested using the 'stars and bars' of three alternating stripes with sources at the military page in an RfC and got no response, so it was archived.
I remember a passage on how to gain wider publicity for an RfC, do you know where the essay or suggestion was? It seems to me that choice a) with sources showing a flag widely used in the historical Confederacy and used by Jefferson Davis in retirement should be chosen over choice b) without sources and that is sourced as never seen by contemporaries. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 15:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Reopening SPI due to edit warring caused by sockpuppets

I opened a SPI <> last month, but it was closed without action because the sockpuppets hadn't made any recent edits. One of the sockpuppets has resurfaced and has continued to edit war. However, the good news is that there are more edits in the sockpuppets' recent edit history that makes their link clearer and due to a request for article creation, a motive for the edit warring has been discovered.

In any case, how does one reopen a SPI? Should I just open a new SPI and reference the prior closed SPI? Thank you.GaryKia (talk) 04:21, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey Gary. At Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, under the section for "How to open an investigation" (it is a drop down hidden by default; click "show"), enter the name of the original sockmaster ("TAG speakers") in the field and click "submit". The resulting page will be a new section of the pre-existing prior investigation. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Article not moving from sandbox to wikipeda

When trying to move my article from my sandbox into Wikipedia this came up: "This sandbox is in the article namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the This sandbox is in the Wikipedia namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the {{User sandbox}} template. template." What should I do? Plngfrd1 (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you fixed it by doing as the note said :-) . Regards, Ariconte (talk) 05:19, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Spelling conventions

Hello. Are there any rules about which spelling conventions, American or British, are preferred or does it depend on the article? PortfolioMind (talk) 01:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey, PortfolioMind, welcome to the Teahouse! Neither is absolutely preferred; it depends on the article. Articles with strong national ties will generally follow those ties (e.g. the article on Abraham Lincoln or the Washington Monument will use American conventions; Whitehall or Margaret Thatcher will use British conventions). There are some other special cases, like the names of chemical elements or the contents of literary quotes, but for the most part, we follow what the first significant contributor used. Generally, the rule is: don't change it without a very good reason to do so (like, for example, correcting an article to use a single convention, rather than a mix of both, with the special cases kept in mind). The policy page about this is WP:ENGVAR; you can read more about it there. Thanks! Writ Keeper  01:07, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, that pretty much confirmed what I thought. Cheers PortfolioMind (talk) 01:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
PSI love tea, who's brewing?PortfolioMind (talk) 01:19, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

text not wrapping

Hi folks, I am having trouble with my text displaying as one long sentence instead of having it automatically wrap to the next line. Has anyone else encountered this, and is there a fix for it? Much obliged! Natjolly (talk) 22:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)natjollyNatjolly (talk) 22:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Natjolly, welcome to the Teahouse.
Leading spaces cause no wrapping and special formatting like this line.
Don't use leading spaces unless you want that formatting. Note that Wikipedia articles use a blank line and not leading spaces to start a new paragraph. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

a spelling error

Karen Horney

Theory of Neurotic Needs the neurotic need to restrict one's life into narrow boarders,

clearly this must be corrected to read 'narrow borders' (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting us know, IP24! Fuhghettaboutit fixed the spelling error. However, after looking at it, I've reverted the changes that had been made to that section wholesale, as it was a copyright violation of another source (one that was almost certainly not reliable anyway). But still, thanks for drawing attention to it for us! Just for future reference, you can go ahead and click the edit button to fix it yourself, too, if you're so inclined! Writ Keeper  22:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


Can a user like me make a WikiProject?Today's Xtra (talk) 21:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello! WikiProjects are pages dedicated to a certain topic so editors could improve Wikipedia. You'll need to read Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide first to read on the "policies" on WikiProject. Before creating one you should have a understanding of how a WikiProject works. You could view other WikiProjects and see if the one you want to create should be made. ///EuroCarGT 01:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

mobile phone aps

Where can I download a Wikipedia AP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny Stix (talkcontribs) 20:34, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Please search in the Apple store or Google Play for Wikipedia. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

How to arrange userboxes

Please help arrange my Userboxes on my User page, I want Wikiprojects, Languages and Interests on the top row and Wikipedia contributions directly under languages. Nathan121212 (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking! but I am not sure of the answer. As a first suggestion - I would remove boxes around the userbox templates - Then use line breaks (<br />) to separate the groups of userboxes. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 21:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I use tables. See User:Miss Bono Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 21:11, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
@Nathan121212: Hey Nathan. I have arranged your userboxes as requested, and since the "My Wikipedia contributions" was not part of a userbox but plain text with a section header, I converted it into a custom box, which you can expand.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

What can i do to contribute to Wikipedia.

I have a large editing history as the editor of multiple successful newspapers and magazines in New York. I always have spare time, and would like to help out wikipedia. Is there something i could do? I do not want to create articles, as i do that every day of my life. Is there a voluntary JOB i could do? Such as Reviewing articles, or Reviewing blocks? Something? I would greatly appreciate it if you could think it over and let me know. Something that has to do with making decisions is what i am best at. Thanks for your time. Today's Xtra (talk) 19:53, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There are many things. A wise man told me once, click here and fix everything you can (with another words, of course). You can also fight vandalism by reverting them. Hope this helps. Oh, and if you ever need anything, feel free to ask me. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 19:57, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Today's Xtra, welcome, and thanks for the offer to help. We have a long list at Community_portal. See if that meets your needs.--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:00, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) To add to what Miss Bono said, you can try and muck in on the technical side (knowing how to code would be an advantage), the behind the scenes stuff of vandalism reverting and welcoming new users; or you can write articles (if you are stuck for inspiration you may want a look through Requested Articles, but bear in mind not all requests are notable), or write an article on something notable that isn't on Wikipedia (make sure you are familiar with WP:Verifiability and WP:Notability). Hope this helps; best, Matty.007 20:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse Today's Xtra. In addition to the other good ideas one thing you might do is look for pages that have tags indicating they need improvement. Articles that have notes at the top with icons like an open book (needs more references) or a broom (needs cleanup editing). I actually recommend to new users that they forget about creating brand new articles until they have a significant amount of other editing under their belts. There is always a lot of work to do editing existing articles and many people are more interested in creating new ones than cleaning up the ones that already exist. One tool you can use to get suggestions is User:SuggestBot Add the following code to your user page: {{User:SuggestBot/suggest}} and the SuggestBot program will add a bunch of links to your user page for pages that need different types of editing. SuggestBot works by looking at your edit history so the more you use it and the more you edit the more the suggestions it makes are likely to be articles that fit your interests and that need work. RedDog (talk) 20:26, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Today's Xtra! Working in the news industry, you may have some special knowledge that would be useful at Wikipedia:Articles for creation or Wikipedia:New Page Patrol. The people in these projects are often trying to evaluate the reliability and independence of news sources, but it's not always easy to tell press releases and disguised advertising from articles written by real journalists and checked by actual editors before publishing. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

How do you Accept Articles (ACF) And Decline Them?

(see question Above) Today's Xtra (talk) 16:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The process is defined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation, but reviewers are expected to have rather more experience of Wikipedia editing, and of its standards and guidelines, than you currently have. Keep learning, and in due course you may well be able to contribute in that role. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

How to add pictures

How do I add pictures and images to my page? Lexington62 (talk) 16:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, try using this code [[File:Name_of_the_image.jpg|size of the image in numbers followed by '''px''']]
Hi Lexington, and thanks for coming to the Teahouse. Can I ask what images you want to add and where you'd like to put them? I, JethroBT drop me a line 16:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

WikiProjects Article Review

I was reading your page on reviewing articles, but i was having problem understanding what to put on the article to show that it is under review. Today's Xtra (talk) 15:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Drafts such as Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Inflation Kills, are placed in the review queue when there exists in the draft an {{AFC submission}} template with the draft parameter turned off. This was the case in The Inflation Kills (right at the bottom), but there was also a duplicate of {{AFC submission}} with the parameter turned on a the top. This isn't a big deal, it happens all the time and is easily cleaned up (I've done this for you). Regardless, it wouldn't have affected a review one way or the other. --LukeSurl t c 15:20, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
@Jewsey : Welcome to the Teahouse. At the Main Page for the Project there should be a little bit of text that you need to copy and past on your user or talk page. The next time you check the list, your name will be on the list.Today's Xtra (talk) 16:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

How do i add myself to a wikliProject list of participants?

I would like to contribute wikipedia projects. How would I add myself to the list of participants/members?Counga (talk) 13:20, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Most projects have pretty obvious links to join, like the one you have already found and used. Which project did you have in mind that doesn't have an obvious link? - David Biddulph (talk) 13:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

i want to make a page

my dad is an ex professional footballer from the 60's and 70's and i wanted to make a page for him, i started to make one then got a message i wasn't able to do so, how do i make one for him? Jewsey (talk) 12:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

@Jewsey: Welcome to the Teahouse. You were able to create the page Garry Jones, but it was proposed for deletion using a process called BLPPROD, which means that unreferenced biographies of living people are deleted 10 days after creation. I've added some sources to the page, so that should stop it from being deleted for the time being. There are two problems with you writing content about your father here. One is that you know your father and may thus inadvertently write content based on personal knowledge. Unfortunately, we can't verify someone's personal knowledge, so references are required. The other problem is that it is discouraged to write on Wikipedia about people you know, because one might (even if accidental) create a page that promotes the subject, which is against Wikipedia rules. However, you seem to have done a good job in this case with remaining neutral. Nevertheless, you might want to propose future edits on Talk:Garry Jones and use {{Request edit}} (including the curly braces) to get people's attention. Happy editing! --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 13:21, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Need help as my page has been deleted

As my page Mohammed Habib : Indian Football Legend has been deleted. Can you help me make a proper Page.

Regards. (talk) 09:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You raised the question on the talk page of the editor who deleted your AFC draft, and you got a very clear answer there. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:57, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Regarding LANGUAGE menu

Now days, there is no any option to select or enter to Bangla Wikipedia from the Home Page or Main Page or any others. In fact, there Language option বাংলা is no more available in the Language Page or Right sided Language Menu. It is to note that, I had been getting that Language option since 2003 and may be was there before a long.

Please, someone try to trace the fact and hope, will leave a worked out answer. Sufidisciple (talk) 07:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sufidisciple. I don't know what it was like before, but on the main page the list of Wikipedias on the sidebar of the page on the main page is now limited to the largest 50 or so Wikipedias. The Bengali Wikipedia is currently the 86th largest Wikipedia, and therefore is not on this list. On other English Wikipedia articles, there will be a sidebar link to the corresponding article on the Bengali Wikipedia if such an article exists, for example, on Bengali language I can see a link to [1] in the sidebar.
As regarding adding adding inter-language links, the process for doing this has changed in the last year. It is now done through Wikidata, and guidelines for this can be found at Wikipedia:Interlanguage_links. Hope that helps, --LukeSurl t c 08:42, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

LukeSurl, Thanks, leaving a logical informative reply. Sufidisciple - (talk) 10:42, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

And at the foot of the Main Page there is a link entitled "Complete list of Wikipedias". - David Biddulph (talk) 13:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

David Biddulph Yes, I saw that link but Had been looking for a easier entrance. Anyhow, Thanks to you all Sufidisciple - (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Ive opened a giant can of worms

How do I return an BLP article to its condition prior to editing by a COI editor. (See Samira Said and User:Nanocoloraturo if you are interested). I was able to rollover about 10 edits. But there are dozens more that need to be reverted, not only due to COI but they create a fan magazine article instead of an encyclopedia article. I tried to revert them one by one but it was too tedious and confusing. Any advice is appreciated. ```Buster Seven Talk 07:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello Buster7, and welcome back to the teahouse. If you click on "View history", you can then see all the edits made to the page. For this particular article, the problem edits take up more than the most recent fifty edits, so you may need to click "500" at the bottom of the page in order to show more edits. Then, click on the date and time for the last good version of the article (this will most likely be the edit immediately before the problem editor begins editing). If you edit this version and then save it, it will revert the entire article back to how it was at that time.
Do be careful taking this approach, as it will make major changes to the article and will also lose any constructive edits that have been made in the meantime. (Though perhaps there might not be any such in this particular article!) It may be wise also to explain what you've done, and why, on the article's talk page. And perhaps also offer some advice and guidance on the user talk page of the editor that you perceive to have caused problems with the article. Hope this helps! Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:57, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit window suddenly changed--Help!

A couple tools disappeared from my editing window earlier today, and then I made matters much worse by clicking return to default settings on my preference tab. I use "Modern" skin. What I lost were the pull-down list of citation templates, and although there is a list of mark-up symbols below the edit window, they now have to be pasted. Before, you could click them and they would drop in where your cursor was last. Can some java smart cookie please help me out? I am going nuts trying to work around this. John from Idegon (talk) 06:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Just an aside: I used the "Ask a Question" button and it stuck my question at the bottom. I will paste it up to the top! John from Idegon(talk) 06:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
For the mark-up-symbols, try enabling Preferences > Gadgets > Editing > CharInsert
For the other stuff, try checking the options "Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript)", "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" and "Enable wizards for inserting links, tables as well as the search and replace function" in Preferences > Editing.
-LukeSurl t c 15:11, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks luke, but it didn't do anything. Instead of the toolbar that used to be there, there is now this really pretty graphic toolbar that just does stuff that I would normally type out, and nothing changed with the markup list. Anyone have any other thoughts? John from Idegon (talk) 16:22, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I am wondering what happened, but it is fine now. Thanks for the help, guys and gals. John from Idegon (talk) 22:20, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Grids and Brand Management

I am the community manager for "The Pete Holmes Show" and would like to add and expand the episode schedule on the show page (some information is wrong). What are the policies about a person with a vested interest in a property updating a schedule and is it overstepping if I create a grid like schedule like the other late night shows have to keep a detailed and accurate archive of the eps? Thank you for your help.Danielleevenson1 (talk) 06:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Dear Daniel. As you are financially connected to The Pete Holmes Show, you have what is known as a Conflict of Interest regarding the content of the article. As Wikipedia tries to be neutral in all things, you can understand that we are wary of having articles be substantially changed by persons connected closely with their subject. Our specific guidelines on these matters can be found at Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest.
We appreciate that you will want information on the page to be accurate and well-presented. Now, every article has an associated talk page. The one for List_of_The_Pete_Holmes_Show_episodes can be found at Talk:List_of_The_Pete_Holmes_Show_episodes. What would be best is for you to write messages there to Wikipedia editors about what is wrong/needs changing with the page. All the code works the same on the talk page as it does on the main article, so you can even draft entire new sections. We'll then edit the page - I for one have added the page to my Watchlist, so I'll get an alert whenever you post a message. It's a little indirect, but it's the best way of ensuring accuracy and neutrality.
Please note that anything we write to the page has to be attributable to a reliable source, and can't simply rest on your or my authority. :)
Many thanks for helping to improve Wikipedia. Cheers, --LukeSurl t c 08:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I'll request all updated on the talk page and will be sure to include outside references. Thanks for your help. Danielleevenson1 (talk) 14:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

istanity in Korea

Can someone please help me in creating my first portal "Christianity in Korea" on Wikipedia? Thanks. Link:

Frogger48 (talk) 05:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

This user is...

Although I am a host myself, there has always been one thing i have not known how to do. That is, put the boxes that reference to what the user is on my talk or user page. Such as..This user is part of the Wikiprojects. Or this user speaks french. Please help me, so I can later help others. Today's Xtra (talk) 18:40, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

@Today's Xtra: Welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, I hope you won't be offended, but I don't think you really have the experience to be a Teahouse host. Most of the hosts have months or years of experience and many hundreds or thousands of edits. But the boxes you're looking for are called Userboxes. You can find a list of userboxes here and here. Happy editing, --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 18:52, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
If you wanted a userbox, there will generally be a thing saying how to input them; which should look like this: {{User:UBX/Ducky}}, which is the pagename in the template brackets. Thanks, Matty.007 18:58, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Article not appearing in search results

I created a page named kalpitiya earlier redirected to another page Puttalam District. When I search for kalpitiya in google the newly created page is not appearing. Why is that? Plz help..Rameshnta909 (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rameshnta909. It can sometimes take a while for Google's spider programs to notice a new article. You can help by expanding the article, including information about the population, land area, government structure, agriculture and industries, education, transportation and so on. Add references to reliable sources as well. Google's algorithms place priority on highly informative articles as opposed to very brief ones. Good luck. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

How do I add a tag that an article is seriously lacking in references?

Or where do I look up how to do that? Thank you! Taram (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Use {{more footnotes}} or {{refimprove}} at the top of the page. A good source for information on such things is Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup. Glad to see you looking at references. You can always add some yourself if the topic is one you know something about. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you talk

Taram (talk) 04:41, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

News website of province

Help! Local News website of Pakistan province Khyber Pakhtunkhwa(KPK) need your guideline to list. Advance Thanks Kashifmuk (talk) 12:21, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Kashifmuk, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not clear what you are asking. I am guessing that you are suggesting that this source be added to a list, perhaps List of Pakistani newspapers. If that is what you mean, then notice that all the entries in that list are blue-links, that is, links to existing articles. In order to add that site to the list, there would need to be an independent article about the site first, which would in turn require that there be published material about the site from reliable sources independent of the site. Your best bet might be to post a question at Wikiproject Pakistan and see if you can find somebody that will work with you on creating this. --ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

With few notabilities will my page be published

There is a 13 year old BPO company, Vee Technologies, which do not have a wikipedia page. So I tried to write a page about them. Without being promotional, in matter of fact tones I tried to create the page. Will anyone please help me in understanding what else should I do to get the page published. Krishbhatt (talk) 07:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I have moved your draft from User:Krishbhatt to a user subpage at User:Krishbhatt/Vee Technologies, and included a link to allow you to submit it for AFC review. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:57, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Still trying to get my article published

User:JTKKavanagh/Royal Mail Choir#Request review at WP:AFC This is my article. It's about the Royal Mail Choir. We are a choir formed for a television programme and now raise money for Prostate Cancer UK. This is my very first article. And probably my only one. And it keeps being rejected. And I am quickly running out of hope. Can somebody PLEASE just fix it so it can go on. Or I will give up. JTKKavanagh (talk) 19:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, JTKKavanagh! We are glad you stopped by for a cuppa and some chat. (My bad impression of being British, which I am not. Hope I do not offend.) Well, there is a specific notability policy which apply here, that being WP:NMUSIC. My read of that is that you have satisfied the first criteria and therefore your article is notable. It appears you have toned down the promo tone, so that is no longer an issue. I will remove the bold print in the "Charity single" section before I move it, as that appears slightly promotional and also outside of the WP:MOS uses for bold print. But please do not quit, your article will be in the 'pedia shortly! Thanks for your work. What do you want to do next? John from Idegon (talk) 05:07, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

How do I start a new portal about "Danish Racing Drivers"?

My mother is from Denmark and I am proud of my heritage. I am a big formula One racing fan and would like to recognize Danish Racing Car drivers on Wikipedia. For example the son of a former Formula 1 driver, Jan Magnussen (son Kevin, and yes pages exist for both men) is now making a name for himself, but there is no Portal to link all of the danish racing car drivers together... Tom Kristensen, John Nielsen, etc. How can this be done? PgeraldiPgeraldi (talk) 18:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello Pgeraldi and welcome to the teahouse. Portals are very complicated as seen here. It may be a better idea to make a navigational template (as seen below and fill it with those at Category:Danish racing drivers) that can be placed at the bottom of each page as see at Help:Template -- Moxy (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

looking for references for Knowledge-Based systems

Up until last night the article for Knowledge-based_systems was really in bad shape. No actual references and the content of the article didn't really make much sense or even describe the core ideas. This is something I know a lot about, expert level from work and school, but to my amazement (maybe I just suck at searching) I haven't been able to find any really strong references on the topic. Even my library system which is usually great, I'm in a major US city, had no good books on the topic. I've found several overview papers that look good but they are all behind pay firewalls and it's not just that I don't want to spend the money, I think there must be good public papers on the topic, for some reason I'm just having a hard time finding them. I always prefer using a paper that is accessible for free when possible so people can directly check the resource if they want. So far, I have one ref from a nice overview presentation from a guy at Schlumberger, a company that did a lot of the early ground breaking commercial work in AI. But if anyone has suggestions of where or how to look for refs on this topic I would appreciate it. RedDog (talk) 16:23, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe contact a research librarian back at your local library. I have been working on some NRHP sites back in NW Indiana where I am originally from, and the research librarian there was able to email me copies of newspaper articles and monographs, some that she accessed from one of the university's libraries in Indiana. Universities are much more likely to have stuff on highly technical subjects.John from Idegon (talk) 18:43, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Great idea, I will do that. thanks. RedDog (talk) 19:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Its wonderful to see someone want to get references into computer articles. Look for references on expert systems and take a look at the Expert system article. Many expert systems are knowledge-based systems. I'm not sure there needs to be a separate article. The expert system article has more references, but also needs work. There's a nice slide show about the history of knowledge based systems (with references) here . Happy editing. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:07, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the idea StarryGrandma. I did check there actually but I thought the refs there weren't very good either, at least for what I needed. Thanks for that link though, I will definitely use that. I'm still going to try the reference librarian idea but in the mean time I also found some good articles online by expanding my search parameters using Google. Rather than search for "knowledge-based systems" I searched for that plus several other terms and found several good overview articles. BTW, I do think there is a good justification for having an article on KB systems and Expert Systems. The terms are sometimes used synonymously but they aren't the same. Expert system refers to the task the system is trying to solve. KB system refers to the software architecture of the system. Virtually all expert systems are KB systems but many KB systems are not expert systems. RedDog (talk) 22:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Danger of image deletion?

Greetings, this is my first question for Wikipedia experts. In teaching myself how to craft an article, using as an object lesson Westinghouse Park in Pittsburgh, I uploaded a picture of a house that was demolished in 1918. The picture stems, probably, from about 1890. It has floated around the neighborhood in brochures and newsletters for years. There is no way for me to figure out who "owns" it, if anyone.

The hideously complicated procedure for uploading images is bad enough, but the morass of licensing information is even more discouraging. (Why should I participate in something so abstruse?) WikimediaCommons threatens to delete the picture after 8 days if I don't supply a proper "tag". I can't even figure out how to open a "tag" or what a tag is in this context. As far as I'm concerned the picture is in the public domain. So... what should I do? (talk) 03:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey person editing from If it is a U.S. originating image and was published in the U.S. prior to 1923 it is in the public domain. If you can provide evidence of that, you can "tag" it at the Commons by clicking edit at the top of the file page (not here, at the Commons), and then place under the licensing header the template {{PD-old-auto-1923}} – you can simply highlight the code I just provided and paste it there (the current indication, if this is about File:Westinghouse Solitude.jpg, is that the person who uploaded the image owns the copyright). I would, in conjunction, provide the evidence and explanation in the page at the same time backing up the claim of public domain. For example, I would place next to date = something like "unknown but manifestly prior to 1918, because the house pictured was demolished that year" (unless you know the actual date of course). Note that the date currently displayed is the date of upload; that's not what the date parameter is for [see the documentation here]), Then, next to permissions, I would provide the information that it is a U.S. image and was published in X, Y an Z as of DATE. You're absolutely correct that dealing with copyright is hideously complex. Unfortunately, much of that is a result of the horrible complexities of copyright law, expanded so much in the modern age from its origins. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
I upload photos I've taken to Wikimedia Commons fairly often, and find it quite easy, as I am willing to license them under Creative Commons. Once you understand the basic categories for determining which images are in the public domain, then uploading such images is also easy. Unfortunately, there are images where the copyright status is unclear or confusing. We have to err on the side of caution in such cases.
Here on Wikipedia, we can use copyrighted images in limited "fair use" circumstances. Common examples include book covers, movie posters, company logos and album covers. The rules for these are clear, and will cause no problems if followed. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:21, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Auto User box update

Hi, Im trying to have a userbox:

AfD-21 This user has had 21 pages put up for deletion. Most of the time, they were deleted.

auto update when My Twinkle CSD log adds a new entry. Is there any way to have some wiki code copy the last number on the list and add 4? Thanks Retartist (talk) 01:05, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Publishing my page

I don't quite understand the requirements for new editors. Do I have to edit my own page ten times or someone else's page ten times in addition to the four days I have to wait?Rotsol (talk) 22:07, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Rotsol and welcome to The Teahouse. If you are referring to becoming autoconfirmed, you can edit any page. Just be sure it contributes something. It can even be correcting spelling or grammar, or adding a comma where needed.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 22:44, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Copyright for own work

Let's say I have written something and I want to post it in my user page, but I want it to remain being my creation, I mean, that no one can copy it and say that they wrote it. Is this possible? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:03, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

@Miss Bono: Wikipedia is licensed under the CC-BY-SA, so they have to credit you anyway. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 18:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
When you post anything on Wikipedia, be it in an article, your user page or anywhere else, "you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL." This in effect means that you retain the copyright, but that it can be used by others as long as they give attribution.--ukexpat (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Out of interest how does this work in practice? Is it required to attribute each editor who has ever edited an article, the user who added the parts being used, or Wikipedia as a whole? Samwalton9 (talk) 19:43, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
That's covered at WP:REUSE and WP:CITEWIKI.--ukexpat (talk) 19:46, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
A statement that Wikipedia is the source along with a link to the applicable page is adequate attribution, as the page history can be found and reviewed there. In printed material, the article name should be mentioned. In a speech, a politician ought to say something like, "According to Wikipedia's synopsis of the plot of the movie Gattaca" for example. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:39, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Ha! Very topical! His reaction has been priceless.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:20, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I was trying to reference this with a PDF file, but the Google reference was either too long for the blacklist, or was actually blacklisted. The PDF is the first result on this search. Was my request here OK? Thanks, Matty.007 17:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Matty.007, I pointed to the PDF URL directly (check your page), is it okay now? –pjoef (talkcontribs) 18:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Matty.007 20:17, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


Would anyone here like to help this fellow? [2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

You're referring to the request for a peer review? I'll look into this tomorrow. Thanks, I, JethroBT drop me a line 17:17, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
No, not the peer review. I thought you all were here for tea; that editor needs some. [3] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:37, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Why use the same image?

Several of the profiles I just viewed in this teahouse had the same image, of the roof-tops of some houses in a city. Why did these various people all use the same image? Was it intentional? Nasusan (talk) 02:25, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

@Nasusan: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing it's just because a lot of people liked the image (or couldn't think of a better one), although I can't see the one you're specifically talking about. Most people at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts seem to have different images, although a few seem to have the same image, like you said. --Jakob (Scream about the things I've broken) 02:46, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
After looking around I guess you meant Wikipedia:Teahouse/Guests and not Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts. If people don't select an image then a random image is chosen each time the page is rendered, but due to limitations in the algorithm the same random image is chosen for each user. It's currently File:Glass Beach Fort Bragg 2.jpg when I view the page, but I guess it was File:Le Tréport.jpg for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 8 November 2013 (UTC)