Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 November 19

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November 19[edit]

Template:Pakistan Army sidebar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Just {{Infobox military unit}} with details about an army used in only one article Pakistan Army. Not sure why a separate template is needed here, it can simply be placed directly in the article (like in all other Army articles). Gotitbro (talk) 17:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Or as User:Bsherr puts it below "Single use templates that can be substituted into their article." Gotitbro (talk) 17:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete Single use template, per nom.--DBigXray 18:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC):
  • Substitute. Per me? 😀 --Bsherr (talk) 18:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Substitute. Per him. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Substitute per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • subst then delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 08:25, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox beach[edit]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 November 27. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:17, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox campground[edit]

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox holiday camp. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Propose merging Template:Infobox campground with Template:Infobox holiday camp.
The distinction between the two subjects is vague. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Sure, replace Infobox holiday camp with Infobox campground. --evrik (talk) 16:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support merging. Makes complete sense. - Darwinek (talk) 00:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. - Sdkb (talk) 08:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
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Template:RWBY characters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Substitute. Single use templates that can be substituted into their article. Bsherr (talk) 15:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete both supporting characters. This was a mess to begin with as it involves a lot of original research in figuring who gets star billing or recurring/guest billing. It's for a cartoon show. The voice actors don't show such billing in the first place. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Hmm, maybe it is best to substitute first and then edit the article to remove them so they are preserved in the history? --Bsherr (talk) 18:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete both - No reason why this series should use a style that literally all other TV series articles don't support. The table should be created in the article. --Gonnym (talk) 19:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete both per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
  • subst both then delete both per nom Hhkohh (talk) 08:25, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
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Template:TOC1001[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 02:04, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

{{TOC1001}} was superseded by {{TOC001}} ~2.5 years ago and remains unused. See related TfD.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Support deletion. There will be some cleanup required, as it is referred to in a number of documentation pages. Urhixidur (talk) 03:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Revdel-rd3[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as T2 by Athaenara (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 10:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Against WP:REVDELREQUEST. Enterprisey (talk!) 05:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Delete. I don't typically take part in TfDs, but I have been a bit concerned about this template before and have thought about starting a discussion on the talk page several times. The whole point of revision deletion is to make harmful revisions as hidden as possible. If you have a giant red box on the top of the page screaming what exact revisions to look for to see RevDel-worthy material for everyone to see, then that makes the revisions much more visible than if it's buried within the history and an admin is privately emailed about it. I think this would very much create the Streisand effect and as mentioned, it is against WP:REVDELREQUEST.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 13:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@Enterprisey and SkyGazer 512: I've made a change. I've added <div class="sysop-show">, to the effect that the big message is only displayed to administrators. Bellezzasolo Discuss 16:10, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
WhatLinksHere can still be used to check all pages this template is on, which is mainly what I'm worried about. Enterprisey (talk!) 17:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I agree, you could easily see all the revisions that have this purely disruptive material by constantly browsing through the transclusions. Imo, it's much better to just email a willing admin.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 18:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox actinium[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. Apparently discussions aren't allowed anymore. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 03:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

This in reality is a nomination for all 122 templates in Category:Infobox element per element but before I tag and list all 122, I want to make sure I'm not missing something... These templates all seem to only be used in one place. The article about the element. Is there a reason there is a template for the infobox as opposed to just placing the infobox on the article as is normally done? {{Infobox element}} exists for a reason... Why make 122 single-use templates that are just transclusions of that template? @DePiep: I definitely want to make sure you chime in here. I'm guessing this is a relic of the way things worked at one point? Either that or I'm missing something. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Keep, WP:SNOWBALL. There is no rule or reason to delete single-use template. -DePiep (talk) 01:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
    • @DePiep: I'm not sure why you chose to get so confrontational with edits like this. Not sure I possibly could have approached this better. I specifically pinged you to get your take on things. Is there a reason you felt the need to approach it this way instead of offering a simple explanation? --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Zackmann08, this looks more like a drive-by tagging. "Single-use" is no reason for deletion, and so you could not provide a policy link. here, -DePiep (talk) 02:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per T3. — JJMC89(T·C) 01:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
    Duplication of what, JJMC89? -DePiep (talk) 01:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
    Nothing. It is a hardcoded instanace of {{Infobox element}}. — JJMC89(T·C) 02:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
    I use encoded instances ('hardcoded') of {{math}} everywhere (they are intended for this even). So what? -DePiep (talk) 02:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep per arguments at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 April 3#Periodic table infobox templates and elsewhere this and others were kept, as noted at Template talk:Infobox actinium. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:02, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Ok lets get a few things straight here. I never said there was a policy that banned single use templates. What I saw, as part of some work that I am doing, is a series of 122 hard coded instances of templates. This seemed odd to me. So I started a Template for DISCUSSION thread, to, wait for it, DISCUSS A TEMPLATE. Why on earth DePiep felt the need to tell me to fuck off is beyond comprehension. If people want to keep them, that is FINE! I don't agree with it, but again, I was just trying to start a discussion. Not interested in dying on this particular hill. As for the fact that I nominated this in 2016, honestly had forgotten. lengthy breaks for health issues will do that to you. I honestly don't understand why the need to take this so personally, particularly when I filed this with a number of questions. I wanted a discussion, instead what I got was Fuck off, you're an idiot. REALLY helpful folks. Sorry I bothered. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
    Who called you an 'idiot'? Ban them! I listed (by simple copy/paste, no hard work) the history. 2018 was missing, so it is completed by now. Actually, a current(!) discussion: here, here. I am still waiting for an argument to delete single-use templates. -DePiep (talk) 02:45, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. After reviewing the previous discussions, I believe this is an edge case which should be allowed to bend the rule assuming there's a policy that says all single-page templates should summarily deleted. But fortunately there's not even that rule. I see no valid reason for deletion. I hope the proposer will withdraw just like this they did in this similar unsuccessful attempt to delete {{infobox hydrogen}} two years ago. –Ammarpad (talk) 03:04, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
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