Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 10
Culture sidebars part 2
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The result of the discussion was merge each as proposed. Izno (talk) 02:30, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Template:Culture of San Marino into Template:San Marino topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Cyprus into Template:Cyprus topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Iceland into Template:Iceland topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Luxembourg into Template:Luxembourg topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Abkhazia into Template:Abkhazia topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Kosovo into Template:Kosovo topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Northern Cyprus into Template:Northern Cyprus topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of South Ossetia into Template:South Ossetia topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of the Faroe Islands into Template:Faroe Islands topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Gibraltar into Template:Gibraltar topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Guernsey into Template:Guernsey topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of the Isle of Man into Template:Isle of Man topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Jersey into Template:Jersey topics, and leave a redirect
- Propose merging Template:Culture of Svalbard into Template:Svalbard topics, and leave a redirect
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to the LAT precedents (Liechtenstein, Andorra, Transnistria). WP:LEADSIDEBAR and WP:TFD#REASONS #2.
Below is an overview of
- which redundant culture sidebars should be merged;
- links from these culture sidebars to articles,
- how many of these links are redirects (per WP:BRINT it should be zero, but it's often about 50% of the links, or even more),
- how many articles actually transcluded these culture sidebars with a WP:LINKBACK (by design, and not by accident, per WP:NAV-WITHIN), and
- which topics navbax these sidebars should be merged into, because the topics navboxes do a far better job (WP:TFD#REASONS #2) at properly linking and transcluding everything without violating WP:LEADSIDEBAR.
Culture sidebars of smallest jurisdictions in Europe
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For the record: the number of redirects should be zero, and the number of links and mainspace transclusions should be equal, and be the same ones. In practice, however, the number of redirects is about 50% the number of links, while the number of transclusions is usually less than 50% the number of links, rarely more than 5, and often not even the same ones.
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- Pinging participants of LAT precedents discussions for follow-up: @TheBritinator and Super Dromaeosaurus: for your information. NLeeuw (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Can you redirect a sidebar into a navbox? Won't that cause issues where used as a sidebar? CMD (talk) 01:26, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- As an addendum, the "Life in X" sidebars are roughly interchange with the Culture ones, they should be considered as well. CMD (talk) 01:28, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- You can redirect anything to anything, that said, this will cause layout issues, so I don't see how a redirect will give anything as the page will need to be edited to remove the current template and replace it with the navbox in the proper location. If a replacement is wanted, then just replace. Gonnym (talk) 06:32, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis @Gonnym @Frietjes The previous TfD resulted in Template:Culture of Liechtenstein becoming a redirect to Template:Liechtenstein topics. Same for Template:Culture of Andorra to Template:Andorra topics, and Template:Culture of Transnistria to Template:Transnistria topics. I'm proposing to do the same now. Of course, the templates themselves should be removed from every mainspace page they are transcluded in, and where necessary replaced by the topics navbox at the bottom of the page (if it's not already there). Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 15:33, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- If the sidebars are deleted they should be deleted, not redirected, the broader topic templates are of a very different scope. CMD (talk) 02:45, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hmmm good point. Then I would like to ask @Matrix why they created three redirects from the nominees to the targets, when @Hilst closed all three previous TfDs as merge, without any indication that a redirect would be left. (I don't know if it's standard practice at TfD to leave a redirect after a merge? At CfD, it is not, unless that has been explicitly agreed on). Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: I thought it was a likely search term for a template, so keeping it as a redirect would not confuse any users looking for the template. Looking back, I forgot to add {{R from merge}}, I have done that now. Anyway I replaced the transclusions before redirecting. —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 10:47, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- If there is consensus against redirecting templates like this, feel free to G6 the templates. —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 10:48, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Ok. I'm not a TfD regular, so that's good to know. Curious what the others think. Leaving redirects is not a must for me; I'm fine either way. I just want to merge the redundant, poorly-designed and barely-used culture sidebars into the topics navboxes.
NLeeuw (talk) 13:38, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Ok. I'm not a TfD regular, so that's good to know. Curious what the others think. Leaving redirects is not a must for me; I'm fine either way. I just want to merge the redundant, poorly-designed and barely-used culture sidebars into the topics navboxes.
- If there is consensus against redirecting templates like this, feel free to G6 the templates. —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 10:48, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: I thought it was a likely search term for a template, so keeping it as a redirect would not confuse any users looking for the template. Looking back, I forgot to add {{R from merge}}, I have done that now. Anyway I replaced the transclusions before redirecting. —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 10:47, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hmmm good point. Then I would like to ask @Matrix why they created three redirects from the nominees to the targets, when @Hilst closed all three previous TfDs as merge, without any indication that a redirect would be left. (I don't know if it's standard practice at TfD to leave a redirect after a merge? At CfD, it is not, unless that has been explicitly agreed on). Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- If the sidebars are deleted they should be deleted, not redirected, the broader topic templates are of a very different scope. CMD (talk) 02:45, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis @Gonnym @Frietjes The previous TfD resulted in Template:Culture of Liechtenstein becoming a redirect to Template:Liechtenstein topics. Same for Template:Culture of Andorra to Template:Andorra topics, and Template:Culture of Transnistria to Template:Transnistria topics. I'm proposing to do the same now. Of course, the templates themselves should be removed from every mainspace page they are transcluded in, and where necessary replaced by the topics navbox at the bottom of the page (if it's not already there). Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 15:33, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- delete or redirect the sidebars after replacing with the navbox where necessary. the sidebars crowd other floating content (like infoboxes and images) where the navboxes are better for the layout since they sit neatly at the foot of the page. Frietjes (talk) 15:11, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- Looking at the rationale I would support redirecting all templates, though for now I would hold off on Luxembourg, Gibraltar, Iceland, and Cyprus due to the proportionally small number of redirects (3/20 (15%), 6/31 (19%), 8/28 (29%), and 8/25 (32%), respectively). Those four are potentially salvageable with proper transclusions. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 08:12, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Special elections to the 94th Minnesota Legislature (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused navbox in which all links in the body point to the same article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:32, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Now the AFDs have been closed as merged, no point having the template. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:22, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2025 August 20. Izno (talk) 02:26, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Graph:Saint Petersburg Metro expansion/Data-json (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused graph json template. If this is a hidden use, please post where exactly this is in use. Gonnym (talk) 11:53, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Список пусковых участков и новых станций Петербургского метрополитена — Википедия Михаил Тум (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- The Russian wiki should host their stuff on their own site. Not sure how an unused template here has any relevance there. Gonnym (talk) 14:59, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:26, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If the creator still intends to use it somewhere, then perhaps userfy and urge the creator to WP:WTAF, but otherwise just delete. NLeeuw (talk) 21:57, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:07, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Notebox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This notebox duplicates existing templates for no real added value. Use {{efn}} and {{Notelist}} instead of inventing a new design. Gonnym (talk) 11:46, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Notelist are reference list styled with required labels. There are countless local notes in articles that are placed under tables without serving as a reference, but only as explanatory notes of the content of the table. This template serves precisely this type of local notes in a style that is also used in academic research papers. Miria~01 (talk) 14:50, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- That can still be achieved with {{efn}} and {{notelist}}, see those templates documentation. Gonnym (talk) 16:57, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Nevertheless, sample labels (a b c; I II III; or 1 2 3 etc.) would still appear that are not referenced, because a footnote marker was not set. This would limit the editors' options for cases where this is not desired. The appearance of a label in a notelist/reflist without a reference point (footnote marker) would be considered poor design. Miria~01 (talk) 18:30, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- That can still be achieved with {{efn}} and {{notelist}}, see those templates documentation. Gonnym (talk) 16:57, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:24, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Izno (talk) 02:26, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as duplication of identical function provided by Efn and Notelist. waddie96 ★ (talk) 20:37, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:28, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- Module:Swap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused module. Gonnym (talk) 12:52, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2025 August 17. ✗plicit 14:28, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:28, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
Unused module with no additional discussion for the past 5 years it seems. Gonnym (talk) 12:51, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support as the author of the module. —andrybak (talk) 10:53, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:28, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- Module:Testconversion (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused test module. Any tests for convert should happen at Module:Convert/testcases or Template:Convert/testcases. Gonnym (talk) 12:49, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:27, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete all not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:00, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:27, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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Unused module. Template:Tracked does not use this. Gonnym (talk) 12:47, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:26, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
Unused module. Template:Tracks and uses Wikidata does not use this. Gonnym (talk) 12:46, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:26, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:25, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
Unused module. Gonnym (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2025 August 17. ✗plicit 14:25, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:25, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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Unused sandbox module not in the proper pseudo-namespace. The user has only edited one day and left, so I see no reason to move this. Gonnym (talk) 12:42, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:06, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Module:Year in sports (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused module. Template:Year in sports was deleted back in January. Gonnym (talk) 12:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. SWinxy (talk) 15:54, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:06, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
Unused module. Gonnym (talk) 12:39, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. SWinxy (talk) 15:54, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Aviation accidents and incidents in Indonesia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template no longer in use (partitioned into three due to size), with the only pages that link to or transclude this template being within archives. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 09:50, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 21:59, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
Unused as table is used directly at 2025 FIBA Asia Cup#Group C. Gonnym (talk) 07:16, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
- delete, no need to have the table in a separate template. Frietjes (talk) 15:18, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:59, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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