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Links to Wiktionary[edit]

I recently (11 September) made two internal Wiktionary links, thinking this was correct. The reverting editor (13 September) failed to give reasons/guidance at the edit summary, and has failed to respond to a polite request for reasons at their talk page, but has logged-in since and I want to get on top of it without waiting further.

Apologies if approaching the Pump seems a cop-out instead of doing lengthy research on a minor point, but if someone could confirm what the issue is here - for example - are Wiktionary links becoming deprecated - then I would be obliged. I admit the links look clumsy, but I didn't write the template, and I was thinking of the readers, including non-English first speakers when writing the original prose with Wiktionary links. Many thanks! Semperito (talk) 09:25, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

No problems, false alarm I hope - I've learned it's easy to pipe-link to Wiktionary, avoiding the clumsy appearance, that I assumed would not be possible. I have re-established the links and invited the reverting editor to comment at the article Talk page, if necessary. Semperito (talk) 13:31, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
In my personal opinion, it would be better not to link to Wiktionary inline. In the examples you provided, if you feel that a word in your prose needs to be linked to a definition for an English audience, you should probably rewrite in more accessible language (WP:TECHNICAL covers this, albeit for a different case). For example, you could wikilink to remonstrance, and you could use "affluent" or even simply "wealthy" or "rich" rather than well-heeled, and could link that to affluence or wealth if those meanings are close enough to what you intended. Although you also don't have to link everything. If you feel you absolutely must use these words which require definition, it would be better to insert a redlink anyway, and then create a soft redirect to Wiktionary with the {{Wiktionary redirect}} template - this way we have the ability to link to that redirect from other articles, and track if readers are really clicking through for additional information. See instructions at the template for how to use it, and when you should and should not create a redirect - you definitely shouldn't create them for every dictionary word. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you - I will research this further, as you suggest. Wikipedia gets - IMO - too-disparate and too-technical with the available options that need expertise in understanding, and is not time-effective for something I don't recall using previously, and may not use again.

In the case of well-heeled, the film character is a well-established scrap-metal dealer, historically notorious in UK society for business practices using cash and having large disposable incomes; the character has a good, well-groomed appearance, an expensively accessorised motor scooter and fine clothing including a long, tailored leather overcoat, whereas the lead film character is young, with a base-level office job and pays weekly in advance towards a new, tailored cloth suit, covered with an ex-army Parka, as was the vogue at the time; well-heeled covered all aspects of what I needed, as did remonstrated.

I couldn't think of anything better at the time of writing, and I would've preferred to know the deleting editor's motivations, who chose not to replace the words. I am always conscious of the needs of, for example, people in, or originating from, near-Europe who may have a good grasp of English language but may need assistance that a wiktionary link could provide. I'll try to find synonyms to 'dumb it down'. Semperito (talk) 14:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Inline links to Wiktionary are permitted (see Wikipedia:External_links#cite_note-body-2 for the official guideline). I don't usually see it used for "technical" things; it's usually more common for what you might call "fancy vocabulary words". Since one of our goals is Wikipedia:Brilliant prose, then "dumbing it down" is not usually the right choice. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Search Relevance Survey on diff page of MoS[edit]

Not quite sure where to put this, so I figure here is better than nowhere. I was viewing a Difference between revisions on the MoS when a bubble appeared in the top right with the question "Would you click on this page when searching for 'half adder truth table'?" and the options "Yes", "No", and "I don't know", as well as a link to wmf:Search Relevance Survey Privacy Statement. This was the first time I'd ever seen something like this, and I was confused by the wording. While copying the text, I accidentally clicked inside the bubble but outside the options, dismissing it, but now that I understand what it was asking, I want to say for the record that I highly doubt I would click on a diff page of the MoS when searching for 'half adder truth table'. ReGuess (talk) 16:11, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@ReGuess: Sorry no one responded sooner. This seems like a weird glitch. There shouldn't be surveys on diff pages. I don't think there should be a survey on the MoS page, either. I know it's been almost a week, but do you have any recollection of what you were doing right before that? The survey should have popped up 30 to 60 seconds after you started reading a targeted page. Any chance you were reading a page, jumped to the MoS page, and then jumped to a diff, all within 30 seconds (or maybe a few seconds)? Even then it sounds like a strange browser glitch, which are the hardest to reproduce. If you have any info, though, it might help. This was a small scale test, and we want to make it better if we proceed with a larger implementation. Reply here, or on Phabricator if you like. Thanks. TJones (WMF) (talk) 14:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
@TJones (WMF): Power users use search outside of content space, so I would appreciate machine learning to help me find not-the-endless-pages-of-articles-for-deletion. You might reasonably have different tuning there, I guess... :) --Izno (talk) 14:40, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
@Izno: Can you message me or comment on this Phabricator ticket with more details and examples for what you are looking for as a power user? Not sure what to make of "not-the-endless-pages-of-articles-for-deletion". Thanks! TJones (WMF) (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
@TJones (WMF): I can't recall exactly what I was doing, or how quickly I was switching between tabs, but I don't think it was anything special, and it didn't have anything to do with logic gates (a subject that, while I do have great interest, if you dig deep through my contribs, you'll probably see I might have a contributed a copyedit here or there). I happened to have kept the browser tab open, so here it is in case it's of any interest: [1] ReGuess (talk) 19:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
@ReGuess: Thanks for the link. It may help track down what happened—but this one is pretty weird. For better or worse, a lot of the survey questions end up not being terribly relevant to the page they are on. See this blog post for more info on what we're trying to do and why, if you are curious. TJones (WMF) (talk) 20:07, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


This is probably the wrong place but I've had enough find Permit A 38 for today.

Anyway, someone knowledgable with a neutral POV should probably have a look at and its sources and at least delete the unsourced parts. --2A02:8071:B693:BE00:D814:5296:7CAE:AD4F (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

The text looks like it was copied from somewhere. Ruslik_Zero 19:06, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Possibly from the "dominant" source: Ndlovu-Gatsheni, Sabelo J. (18 October 2013). "Rethinking Chimurenga and Gukurahundi in Zimbabwe: A Critique of Partisan National History". African Studies Review. 55 (03): 1–26. doi:10.1017/S0002020600007186.  Why do editors cite sources that are available online as if they are not? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

RfC regarding "Interlinking of accounts involved with paid editing to decrease impersonation"[edit]

There is currently a RfC open on Meta regarding "requiring those involved with paid editing on Wikipedia to link on their user page to all other active accounts through which they advertise paid Wikipedia editing business."

Note this is to apply to Wikipedia and not necessarily other sister projects, this is only to apply to websites where people are specifically advertising that they will edit Wikipedia for pay and not any other personal, professional, or social media accounts a person may have.

Please comment on meta. Thanks. Send on behalf of User:Doc James.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

christopher gikas[edit]

sadly, Wiwaxia passed away on February 25, 2017. he will be missed
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:101:2c0e:20c2:48e1:7c38:d9d3 (talk) 23:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

men's assistant coach or assistant men's coach?[edit]

Hello, I'm not sure it's the right place to ask, but here it is anyway. English is not my mother tongue and I didn't find by myself. I have a seen 2605:E000:9161:A500:34F4:4D6D:1063:30AF (talk · contribs) is repeatedly making the same change (see title), and out of curiosity I would like to know fore sure which one is correct. Google has hits for both ([2], [3]). Maybe an american/british english difference? Does anybody have a definitive explanation about this?

Kiwipidae (talk) 05:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Discussion on synced reading lists[edit]

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:35, 20 September 2017 (UTC)