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RfC update: 2012 Koch-organized funding of Americans for Prosperity[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Americans for Prosperity#Request for comment: $44M of $140M raised by Americans for Prosperity in 2012 election cycle from Koch-related funds. The RfC proposes a one-sentence addition to the "Funding" section of Americans for Prosperity. This is an update and a request for wider participation. The main source for the proposed content is a pair of reports in The Washington Post, supported by FactCheck.org and the National Journal. Generous excerpts from the sources are provided in the statement of the RfC question for your convenience. Please help with this request for comment. Thank you in advance for your time and attention. Thanks. Hugh (talk) 16:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

This request for comment will most likely close Thursday 6 August 2015. This is an update and a request for wider participation. Issues in the appropriate application of our due weight content policy remain in the discussion. Your comments are needed. Please help with this important request for comment. Thank you in advance for your time and attention. Hugh (talk) 04:58, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Potential copyvio, or at least poor style/formatting[edit]

I'm worried that much of the article on Space: 1889 is lifted from a promotional guide, or at the least is not in proper Wikipedia style. If this is not the correct place to report this, where should I go? Brownie Charles (talk) 04:32, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Hyphens in links[edit]

Which is the correct or preferred way of linking in the following case?

  1. The pelagic zone contains [[Macrofauna|macro-]] and [[microfauna]] …
  2. The pelagic zone contains [[Macrofauna|macro]]- and [[microfauna]] …

--Leyo 12:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Why not [[macrofauna]] and [[microfauna]]?--ukexpat (talk) 20:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, it's a repetition. Anyway, this is just an example. I am interested in the general question. --Leyo 20:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
There used to be something in WP:MOS (or a similar place) about it, but I'm unable to find it atm. Basically if you have something like [[blahblah|yadada]], it should be written that way and not as [[blahblah|y]]adada, even though they display and function the same. --Unready (talk) 06:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Does this mean that you think #1 is correct? --Leyo 11:48, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
It's a very minor issue and I don't think we have guidance about it but I prefer #1, i.e. "macro- and microfauna" with the hyphen inside the link seems slightly better than "macro- and microfauna". Few people will notice or care whether the hyphen is blue or black. Red or black would have been a little easier to spot: "macro- and microsomething" versus "macro- and microsomething". PrimeHunter (talk) 12:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for this statement, with which I agree. --Leyo 14:47, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Stub Contest[edit]

just in case anyone missed it when I pinged the first time round....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:27, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC - The Pirate Bay[edit]

You are invited to participate in the RfC at Talk:The Pirate Bay#RfC - 24 July 2015. This RfC, which asks "Should all of the urls for this website be included in the infobox?", is due to end in approximately 21 days time and would really benefit from some fresh eyes. Thank you. --AussieLegend () 19:24, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Regulation Committee and alternatives to consensus[edit]

Bumping thread for 30 days. ceradon (talkedits) 04:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Members of the community are invited to give their thoughts at a request for comment to discuss Wikipedians' alternatives to consensus, and the formation of a proposed Regulation Committee. Thank you, --ceradon (talkedits) 04:20, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

edits said Karen Taylor died[edit]

I started Karen Taylor (basketball) lately and reverted edits claiming she passed away. I am unsure if this is true and I am on a mobile device. Can somebody check/potentially warn accounts/welcome accounts? Thx. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 20:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Without a source, people are alive by default. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 20:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
You'll need a better source, but Detroit Free Press is reporting a tweet from her son about her death.-gadfium 00:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
@Biosthmors:-gadfium 00:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks gadfium. I see another source exists. I have added that source and the other to the article with the news of her passing. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 02:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
And I tried to unprotect with this logic. (The page has since been actually unprotected.) Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 03:26, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Wet Side Story[edit]

Not sure what to call this. I need a double redirect but in Wikipedia that's something else.

There are two possible redirect targets. Teen Beach Movie and Teen Beach 2. Wikipedia doesn't provide for this situation.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

A disambiguation page might fit the bill. Something like:
Teen Beach may refer to:
Teen Beach Movie
Teen Beach 2
   → Michael J    21:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Wet Side Story is the subject of both movies, though.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
My apologies then. Apparently I do not understand the question. Sorry.    → Michael J    21:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
There needs to be a redirect, but it can't go to both articles. However, Wet Side Story is a major plot in both movies and I've only redirected to one.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Judith Chemla[edit]

Hello! Really sorry, I'm not sure if I'm on the right place to talk about it. I'm not used to English Wikipedia, I'm more used to French one and to Commons.

But I'm having a problem being reverted two times of the article Judith Chemla by a IP because of the year of birth of this French actress. This IP might be absolutely sure of one year of birth, whereas there are 4 different sources stating two different years of birth. I already had the case on the French Wikipedia, but maybe the policy about it is different here. On FR-WP, when we're not sure, we clearly write it on the the article, especially when sources are relevant on both sides. Here it might be the case. On Talk:Judith Chemla the IP tells that it's not, according to him VIAF and BNF are not relevant authorities sources. In my opinion, as long as there is no exact date of birth with day, month and year, we can't be sure of the year of birth (in my old version I explain in the references how we can't be sure, and there are the VIAF and BNF sources stating the 2nd possible year of birth). And if we can't be sure, I think either we put 2 possible years of birth in the article, or no year of birth at all. And when a better source will be found, there will be time to update it.

I have noticed that in FR-WP for example for Arielle Dombasle, there are 2 birth dates, whereas on EN-WP there is only one. Then I prefer to be sure how to work on WP-EN according to your policies that I'm not used to. Thank you very much for your help. Jeriby (talk) 09:38, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

VIN cloning[edit]

I saw this recent report about VIN cloning. I am concerned that images like this may be construed as a potential source of 'stolen' VINs. Is there anything currently in wikipedia policies anywhere that address this issue? The article Vehicle identification number gives much information about VINs and how they are constructed but also includes some photos with full VINs. Should we not allow images in wikipedia/wikimedia like this on a privacy basis? Nyth63 14:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Derek White[edit]

How can the race driver Derek White (today's Did You Know?) be 'native american' when he's not American at all? He's First Nations Canadian.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Canada is part of the North American continent; therefore the native peoples of Canada are Native Americans. America is more than the United States. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
While technically true, Canadians never refer to themselves as being "American". Likewise, we don't use terms like "Native American". They would be either just "Native" or "First Nations". At any rate, this is a question for WP:ERRORS. I will point this out there. Thanks, Resolute 16:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)