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Main page grammar[edit]

On the Main page, "In the Icelandic parliamentary election, the Independence Party win the most seats." That should be ...wins... or ...won..., but I don't know how that can be fixed.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 16:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Dthomsen8: Reported at WP:ERRORS; please place Main Page error reports there in future. Jc86035 (talk) 16:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. Errors on the main page are rare, but it is good to know how to report them promptly.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 01:04, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with "the Independence Party win...". See notional agreement. DuncanHill (talk) 15:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
It depends on which variety of English is in use. See American and British English grammatical differences#Subject-verb agreement. Anomie 03:49, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Wondered why this site is blacklisted[edit]

I noticed that fivebooks.com is on a Wikipedia blacklist. I know not a great deal about this site, but it looks OK to me. How do I find out the reason for the blacklist? ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

@ThoughtIdRetired: It was added to the blacklist in this 2011 edit. The edit summary suggests it was being mis-used by certain editors. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:40, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks - given my dislike of spammers, I think I have revised my opinion of the site - even though it produces useful results of related books and the possibly unexpected reasons for picking them. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 19:17, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
On reconsideration, now with my brain in gear: the page I looked at was an interview of Prof James Hunter, an expert on Scottish History and particularly the Highland Clearances. Some of the views expressed in the interview are particularly relevant to the modern view of the subject (which needs to be inserted in the article - it's a part of Wikipedia that really needs some work!!). If this is the only source of Prof Hunter expressing these views, how would I get to use the interview as a reference? I have little doubt that the words of an expert in the field qualify the interview as a WP:RS.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 19:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
You can post a request at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist for the specific link to be whitelisted. That would keep the entire domain blacklisted except for that one. --Majora (talk) 19:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't grok why the site as a whole is blacklisted just because "some editors" misused it? Surely that is an editor behaviour problem? It seems like the site itself is actually useful, but is being "punished" for problems not related to the content of the site itself. How can the blacklisting then even be valid? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:47, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
That happens. On the other hand, when they are blacklisted it's usually that blocking a single spamming user was not enough, this then becomes the next technical solution. —PaleoNeonate – 11:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Getting the page whitelisted was not a problem. I am guessing that the same procedure could be applied to the whole site - but if that's inappropriate, a page by page basis seems to work fine.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 13:54, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Changes to the global ban policy[edit]

Hello. Some changes to the community global ban policy have been proposed. Your comments are welcome at m:Requests for comment/Improvement of global ban policy. Please translate this message to your language, if needed. Cordially. Matiia (Matiia) 00:34, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Self-nominations for the 2017 ArbCom elections are now open[edit]

Self-nominations for the 2017 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee elections are now open. The nomination period runs from Sunday 00:00, 12 November (UTC) until Tuesday 23:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC). Editors interested in running should review the eligibility criteria listed at the top of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2017/Candidates, then create a candidate page by following the instructions there. Mz7 (talk) 06:58, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Self Advertising[edit]

We are supposed to be a reference source, not a self-promoting Business.

So it is inappropriate to force information on people, particularly as self-advertising.

Last month it was 'Wiki loves monuments', now it is 'Wiki loves Asia'.

Who is doing it? Who wants it? Can it be stopped? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnWheater (talkcontribs) 08:43, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "forcing information on people", but you seem to have misunderstood something. One of the things Wikipedia is is a reference work. It is also an open collaborative project. Such contests and activities seem to be helpful in getting people to improve the content. Isn't that a good thing? Ntsimp (talk) 17:44, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
Wikimedia's goal is to share knowledge around the world, and to encourage people to do it. Wiki Loves Asia fits that goal. --NaBUru38 (talk) 21:57, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

RFC: Overuse of "stop hand" images[edit]

I find File:Stop hand.svg, File:Stop hand nuvola.svg, and their derivatives overused and bitey. Can we try to replace them with more appropriate images? KMF (talk) 04:15, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

No. Most of the time it takes multiple attempts to get their attention with lower level warnings before a "stop hand" warning is applied. The situations that warrant a stop hand earlier definitely deserve it. Attack articles being a great example. It is supposed to get their attention as a last ditch effort to avoid having to block them. The whole point is to get them to STOP. --Majora (talk) 04:44, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
  • No for context, this conversation where I gave KMF a level 4 warning for using homophobic slurs in edit summaries while reverting vandals is likely what caused this RfC. I'm very much a DTTR type, but I consider usage of slurs to be one of the few occasions where it *is* warranted and the exact opposite of bitey. Especially when a user had already been given an NPA warning in the last month mentioning that blocks could be in the future. The final warning is meant to make a point and draw attention to behavior in order to prevent a block and stop disruption. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
No. The stop symbol is only used on the higher level warnings. It is used as a last resort and is perfectly appropriate. --Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 04:56, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
No As it is not used until other warnings have been issued it is entirely appropriate. MarnetteD|Talk 05:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Oppose - Stop icon[Humor] I agree that it is best not to send level3-4 warnings immediately, but when required I think that it is appropriate. —PaleoNeonate – 05:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Support, not any undesired action requires a red card. --NaBUru38 (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
No It's only used when the person is nearing a block, it's almost bitey not to have it. Btw, PaleoNeonate barely beat me to the joke :P Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 05:19, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
  • No I also agree with the previous comments, especially with Drewmutt. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 06:32, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
  • No. It's misleading and therefore harmful in trying to be polite when the action in question has very serious consequences. --A D Monroe III(talk) 02:33, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Interaction Timeline alpha demo is ready for testing[edit]

Hello all,

The Interaction Timeline alpha version is ready for testing. The Anti-Harassment Tools team appreciates you spending a few minutes to try out the tool and let us know if there is value in displaying the interactions in a vertical timeline instead of the approach used with the existing interaction analysis tools.

Also we interested in learning about which additional functionality or information we should prioritize developing.

Comments can be left on the discussion page here or on meta. Or you can share your ideas by email.

Thank you,

For the Anti-Harassment Tools Team, SPoore (WMF), Community Advocate, Community health initiative (talk) 20:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

North American season categories only for winters[edit]

Why is there Category:North American winters but not Category:North American springs, Category:North American summers, or Category:North American autumns? 98.197.198.46 (talk) 00:22, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

No such articles exist specifically for springs. Same for summer and autumn. So if you are organizing articles called "(year) North American (season)" then there's a purpose for these winter categories. Further, it transitions over a year boundary.
-- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 06:11, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

checking if ref is called[edit]

Is there a way to check if a particular page uses the REF tag system? Like #ifexistrefs then do something. -- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 06:05, 16 November 2017 (UTC)