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Anthony Sabuneti[edit]

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PROD'd and dePROD'd earlier today.

Original PROD reasoning: Searched Google, GBooks, GNews, AllAfrica.com, and found nothing about this sculptor except profiles on commercial art sales sites. The ref given in the article is a good example of the kind of unreliable sources I found - it's a group that sells sculptures so it has a direct commercial interest in the subject and is therefore not independent. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. (This article is also a somewhat apparent paraphrase of the source, but not quite enough that I was comfortable G12ing it).

De-PROD'd after the addition of three sources. I am of the opinion that they don't indicate that the subject meets NARTIST at all. The two sources from the Herald (via AllAfrica.com) are simply mentions of his name in the context of other things. The one from news day spends all of two sentences mentioning the subject. It's not enough to keep an article.

Merely exhibiting, even in one notable museum, doesn't meet point 4 of NARTIST; the exhibit itself has to be significant. Otherwise the works have to be permanently in the collection of several notable galleries or museums. ♠PMC(talk) 10:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment I added the references and removed the PROD. I have concerns about finding information on individual sculptors from Zimbabwe. The permanent collection of the National Gallery of Zimbabwe is not searchable online, as the national galleries of many countries are. International exhibitions are often reported in the media of the countries visited as simply 'Shona Art', with far more of the article expended on the organisers of the trip than the artists. The artists' names may be spelled in different ways, making searching difficult. Zimbabwe itself has been dangerous to visit for many years, media has not been independent, and it is not a place which outsiders are likely to visit to write about the artists. So it is hard to see how the significant coverage of prominent sculptors (or other professionals) is going to be found. If the articles that do mention them state that certain artists are notable, and have inspired others, or the artists have been exhibited internationally, that is evidence that they are notable. It may be worth digging in the permanent collection indexes of major galleries outside Zimbabwe, to see what Zimbabwean sculpture they have and whether they have recorded the artists' names. I don't know whether there have been previous discussions on this or similar topics, but I think that these artists deserve more than a PROD. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
it is hard to see how the significant coverage of prominent sculptors (or other professionals) is going to be found - I rest my case. ♠PMC(talk) 10:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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  • Delete The argument that this is a "dangerous" country (it's not much more dangerous than many other parts of Africa), and that it lacks media coverage as a country because of economic inequality or lack of development etc. is beside the point. There's a policy for this, which I cannot remember, but essentially it says we are not here to address world inequalities. You either have the sources or do not; we are blind to social, economic or developmental conditions on the ground. (Additionally, I can easily read hundreds of recent articles written by independent publications in and out of Zim, so I am not sure what the comment above is about.) What is relevant to this discussion is the fact that that sources are not available for this artist to support his notability. I saw one in Google books and not much more elsewhere. GNG fail based on lack of independent reliable sources.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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Mohshin Habib[edit]

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Doesn’t comply with GNG, ANYBIO and lacks of CCS and NPV. It claims notability as column writers, translators, and Gatestone writer. Gatestone itself is accused of bias writings and is not considered as viable source. — T. 18:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC) Things to consider: This article could also be a case of YOURSELF. Both of the main contributors worked only on this article. — T. 18:32, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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Chris Westphal[edit]

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no indication of WP:notability. Apparently originally created as an autobiography, most of the references given either do not mention him or only in passing. There is one reference to a local business award with a grand sounding name but little behind it. Google searches not finding any significant coverage. noq (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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Christine Weick[edit]

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Much as it may delight us to document the crazy antics of this lady, the only incident that gained any mainstream attention at all was the original slushie-throwing incident, and even that only made HuffPo, scarcely a neutral commentator on right wing people. The rest of the sources are garbage and Google shows nothing better. Guy (Help!) 21:15, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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Carman, Tim (23 October 2018). "The woman who claims Monster Energy drinks are a tool of the devil is back, just in time for Halloween". Washington Post.
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Some of the sources listed above were not network news, but were local stations. I changed the Fox News and ABC News to the stations. StrayBolt (talk) 04:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • WP:Snow Keep No compliance with WP:Before. Sources per User:Bluerasberry established WP:GNG. 7&6=thirteen () 21:36, 18 November 2018 (UTC) Sources added/restored. Should be a candidate for WP:Snow. 7&6=thirteen () 04:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment For some reason back in February 2015 an editor decided it was a good idea to delete most of the reliable sources while retaining the crap sources.[1] And here were are. I've restored many sources but it needs further work. Some of the YouTube links should have a |via= as they are actually mainstream local news broadcasts which are not credited in the cite. -- GreenC 23:44, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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Fixed the via=YouTube and the attributions to mainstream media, which are now wikified. She is definitely a few bricks short of a full load (the MONSTER drink video is telling), but that is unrelated to WP:GNG. 7&6=thirteen () 03:49, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
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  • Keep -- Seems obvious. The WaPo article from just last month seals GNG and eliminates any ONEEVENT kinda claims. This AfD is the work of Satan! 192.160.216.52 (talk) 19:38, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
It is unquestionably remarkable the WaPo article came out just a few weeks ago. This is a Jesus in the toast moment. -- GreenC 21:48, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Néstor Barron[edit]

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Tagged with multiple issues since January, promotional (hugely so) and almost certainly COI, no relaible independent sources and none in Google either, just PR and similar non-RS. Guy (Help!) 23:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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  • Delete, promo, refs don't support notability. Szzuk (talk) 18:21, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Tony Thacker[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO. No significant coverage found for this book author. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:12, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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Jat Mehar Singh Dahiya[edit]

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. A sole mention of an event commemorating him at Dainik Bhaskar and another trivial mention over an unreliable POV-ppushing op-ed at India Times. WBGconverse 07:13, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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Kevin Michael Grace[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:29, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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  • Keep probably. He is a journalist, and so needs to meet WP:JOURNALIST: "1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors." In addition to the two references in which he is cited already included in the article, eg in Theatre Research in Canada, Volume 17 [2], Culture Meets Culture in the Movies [3], Filtering the news [4], Animated 'worlds ' [5], The Unz Review here [6] and here [7], and other blogs [8] and websites [9] and [10]. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete. People do not qualify for Wikipedia articles just because we can technically verify their existence via glancing namechecks of their existence in reliable source coverage about other things, or because of anything published on any blog — to establish that "the person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors", what we require is coverage about him which analyzes his significance in that regard. But the sources listed above aren't doing that at all — they all just briefly namecheck his existence rather than contextualizing his importance. Bearcat (talk) 01:07, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Vincent F. A. Golphin[edit]

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Fails notability guidelines at WP:AUTHOR and WP:ACADEMIC. PROD contested. There's Google hits but no news, no good sources about him. When debating notability amongst authors, it's not what they write but what reliable sources write about them. The two references quotes as demonstrating his notability in the contesting of the PROD were both press releases. Ifnord (talk) 20:29, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Curt Weiss[edit]

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Potentially not notable, failing WP:BIO. No single secondary source established bona fides. Seems to be a mix of name drops, Non RS and sources from own book. scope_creep (talk) 22:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Dave Kelley[edit]

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Appears to be a non-notable autobiography that has lasted 12 years. A WP:BEFORE search turns up no reliable, independent sources, so this fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG. In addition, this BLP is completely unsourced; I've tried to remove some of the more controversial statements, but the only way to really get them all out would be to blank the article. Even if this were notable, I would still suggest blowing it all up and starting over. SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 20:16, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Garous Abdolmalekian[edit]

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No evidence of notability. The only sources are a translation of one of his poems, and interviews with his translator Idra Novey. Nothing reliable, verifiable, or independent. Cabayi (talk) 17:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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 Comment: The corresponding fawiki article was nominated for deletion back in March. [The consensus] was to keep it.NightD 18:45, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
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Josh Robert Nay[edit]

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Promotional article about a subject with no coverage in independent reliable sources, does not meet WP:GNG. Having published one short story anthology that does not appear to be available anywhere and a poetry collection with a vanity publisher does not meet WP:NAUTHOR. The subject has won a "Golden Web Award" for website design, which appears to be a non-notable award that does not satisfy WP:NBIO. signed, Rosguill talk 15:43, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Lance Guma[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. References in the article is a non independent source that does not even cover the subject. Nothing in my search comes up as a WP:SIGCOV, WP:SECONDARY, reliable or independent of the subject. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:30, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Waleed Shahid[edit]

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WP:BLP of a writer and political organizer, not properly sourced as notable. As always, writers and organizers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, but the references here aren't cutting it in terms of getting him over WP:GNG: the media coverage here comprises glancing namechecks of his existence in articles about other things, not coverage about him, and the only references that are about him to any non-trivial degree are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES (e.g. an Instagram post). This is not how you source a political organizer as notable enough for an article: he needs to be the subject of media coverage, not just have his name show up in news articles about other subjects that aren't him, to get over GNG. Bearcat (talk) 07:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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  • Strong Keep I have added two books as references, one of which has a chapter called "Waleed Shahid and Corbin Trent - A Tea Party of the Left?" I would not call some of the news coverage "glancing namechecks of his existence" - major news sources, including The Guardian, which is UK/Australia, devote several paragraphs to the activist group he co-founded, quote what Shahid has said, and comment on it. Definitely meets WP:GNG. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
  • One of the books is a very brief mention in a children's book; the other - see my comment below - is not INDEPENDENT.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Devoting paragraphs to the group is not the same thing as devoting paragraphs to him as an individual, and quoting what he has said does not contribute to notability at all. He has to personally be the subject of a source before it helps GNG. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
In one of the books mentioned by User:RebeccaGreen, Shahid is definitely personally the subject of the chapter. I also think the articles cited are not only reliable WP:GNG but single him out personally as a leader who is notable figure in the movement (whether it be the organization he co-founded, or the organizations he helped 'organize'). I realize the articles aren't only about Shahid but are also about his (and others') activities, but the frequencies of the reports indicate to me that he is a notable individual and recognized by the media as such Perplextase (talk) 01:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but please look at comment below. The chapter/book seem not to be not WP:INDEPENDENT.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:09, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep I've removed the Instagram reference because it wasn't serving any purpose. He is referenced and written about in many sources, but I see what you mean: he is often cited as a spokesperson for a given campaign or organization, and usually the article is about that movement. There are other references, however, including bios, an interview, a book chapter, and articles devoting some personal time on him. I think the many articles referencing Shahid do demonstrate his notoriety. Rather than "glancing namechecks", they show the media consistently singles him out as notable (by not only taking his statement, but by reporting on what he tweets) [1] Perplextase (talk) 01:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep While I agree with the nom that most of the citations are of insufficient depth, and that mere-mentions or quotes from him as a spokesperson do not constitute significant coverage, the book The Next Republic: The Rise of a New Radical Majority appears to devote significant coverage to the subject in particular, and provides enough coverage to justify notability alongside the large quantity of more trivial coverage.striking vote per E.M. Gregory's argument, no new vote at this thime signed, Rosguill talk 18:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)01:14, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Leaning DELETE. A lot of brief mentions of this political campaign staffer doing ordinary campaign stuff, like founding a short-lived PAC, AllOfUs a stub that should probably be merged into Justice Democrats, as the PAC was. At a glance, The Next Republic: The Rise of a New Radical Majority, the only INDEPTH source, looks like a strong source. Problem is that it is a compilation of D. D. Guttenplan's coverage of the 2016 campaign for The Nation. Waleed Shahid was also writing about that campaign for The Nation. It would be useful to see some SIGCOV of Shahid in a publication that Shahid doesn't work for.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete, looking closer, as Perplextase points our above, many of the hits merely quote him for the campaign or organization that he is a paid, professional spokesman for. This sort of citation does not support notability. The Guttenplan book, the only SIGCOV I can find, is not WP:INDEPENDENT Fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Many of the sources merely quote him (sometimes in his capacity as an official) but not all. There is SIGCOV which is independent from articles in the Gaurdian and from ABC -- WP:N specifies that the main subject of the article doesn't need to be the person in question. Is there some reason the Guttenplan book isn't considered independent? Perplextase (talk) 14:52, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Further, on account of WP:BIO I've reevaluated how non-trivial these references are, as Shahid is not trivially mentioned in these articles but rather referenced as a principal mover of the organization or movement in question (which are themselves the subjects of these articles). WP:BIO goes on to say that if the coverage is not in depth, then "then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability"; and AFAIK Shahid isn't professionally linked to CNN/ABC/Gaurdian/Intercept/WP or any of the others (while he is certainly linked to other not listed publications such as the Nation). Perplextase (talk) 14:52, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Perplextase, I am always willing to change my opinion when presented with persuasive evidence. If you have time, it might be useful if you would bring and "quote" on this page 4 or 5 of the most persuasive passages that you see as SIGCOV, with links to the articles. Yow are under no obligaiton to do so, of course, but it is the sort of thing that persuades other editors.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Aaron Carotta[edit]

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I don't believe that this subject is notable. Alot of puff pieces. Alot of dead links. ManWithDrink (talk) 21:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Eric Dregni[edit]

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WP:BLP of a writer, whose only apparent claim of notability per WP:AUTHOR is that he and his work exist. Of the 12 footnotes here, six of them are to his books' own promotional profiles on the website of their own publisher, while another is his own faculty profile on the website of his own employer -- so none of these are independent sources for the purpose of establishing notability. And while the other five are media, there's one (City Pages) that just briefly namechecks his existence in the context of having been a member of a non-notable local bar band in the 1990s, and two dead links (Bristol Evening Post and Bloomberg) that are unretrievable even via the Wayback Machine to determine how much they ever actually did or didn't say about him, so none of those are helping to establish notability either.
I was able to recover the other two dead links (The Globe and Mail and the Toronto Star) via ProQuest, but The Globe and Mail also just gives him a glancing namecheck of his existence in an article about something other than him. So literally the only reference here that's actually doing anything at all in terms of establishing his notability is the Toronto Star — but if he can't claim something on the order of winning a noteworthy literary award, then it takes quite a bit more than just one notability-assisting source to get him over WP:GNG on "notable because media coverage exists" grounds. Bearcat (talk) 19:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Bearcat, you old curmudgeon, you. I love you to death, man, for the energy you put into bringing inadequately-sourced bios to AfD. But ] WP:AUTHOR does not require winning "a noteworthy literary award" (although he did win a Fulbright Fellowship. We set standards for notability, and follow them. In this case WP:AUTHOR: "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I did not say that author required winning a noteworthy literary award per se. But what is true is that if an author has won a notable literary award, then one reliable source which properly verifies the award win is enough in and of itself to get the article kept and merely flagged for reference improvement, with deletion permanently off the table forever because passage of a hard notability criterion has been properly verified — whereas if the notability claim is merely that the author and his work exist, then it takes more than just one source to close the gap between existence and notability. That's what I said. Bearcat (talk) 16:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
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I agree. When I was just recently editing this page I tried to find something more than just what was here and all I could do was correct the bio's occupation information. I don't think that this meets notability requirements, and, if someone does want to recreate this article with additional sources that establish this notability, they can do so later through the process of drafting an article. He seems to primarily write popular non-fiction coffee-table style books. Sincerely, Shashi Sushila Murray, (message me) 01:28, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete a non-notable writer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep very modest WP:HEYMANN upgrade, I added a coupe of articles about him to the page, expanded it a little, added a couple of book reviews to those already on the page and tagged the page for better citations. Note that his Norway book was funded by a Fulbright. What I did not do was add all of the book reviews that exist; some were already on the page. When an WP:AUTHOR gets this many book reviews,we KEEP the article per "multiple independent periodical articles or reviews."E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. Enough book reviews (per EMG) to pass WP:AUTHOR. I think it's noteworthy that many of them are in wide-circulation newspapers rather than academic journals; those are harder to get and indicate a greater level of notability. But this level of reviewing even in academic journals would be enough. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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James Wysong[edit]

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Unsourced, not notable. Mccapra (talk) 00:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

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  • Delete Fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:AUTHOR. No significant reliable source coverage to meet any standard of notability. PohranicniStraze (talk) 02:57, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Note that USA Today states that he used a pen name. Also, active over a decade ago, ergo, archive searches are essential. E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Thanks for pointing out the pen name, I missed that. That completely changes the search results - striking delete vote above. PohranicniStraze (talk) 02:50, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep WP:HEYMANN] I want first to note that Nom and editor writing above give no indication of being aware that this author used a pen name, although A. Frank Steward is a useful search term, turning up book reviews and articles that do not appear in searches on his actual name. note also that neither editor above gave any indication of having run news archive searches, although it is a truth universally acknowledged that many, perhaps most, authors will be notable only for a few years around the publication of their more popular books. Wysong/Steward published books between 2001 and 2008. Notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY. Part of what is GREAT - and user friendly - about Wikipedia is that you can look up the popular writers of yore, when you stumble into one. We KEEP writers like Louise Hall Tharp, Elaine Macmann Willoughby, Wilfrid S. Bronson, and Mary Nash (author) - even though nobody reads them anymore. (end of rant) WP:HEY, I have added some material, sources to the page, more reviews exist and can be added, although I believe that I have added enough to show that it should be kept. Quite a few hits where he is quoted as-an-expert on the air travel experience. E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
And, yeah, this probably started as author PROMO, eons ago. Passes WP:AUTHOR because of the many book reviews.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:16, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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  • Keep sufficient coverage to say he has received "significant coverage" if you include material under the pen-name. FOARP (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Michael R. Ash[edit]

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Non-notable subject that fails WP:AUTHOR and WP:BASIC:

  • Many various WP:BEFORE source searches, including searches for book reviews, are not providing independent significant coverage of the subject or his works in reliable sources.
  • I found a couple of book reviews in primary sources, which in this case, are publications owned and controlled by the LDS Church, but primary sources are not usable to establish notability.
  • Otherwise, there's not much out there at all in terms of usable sources for Wikipedia's purposes.

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Charles Fred[edit]

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None of the independent provided sources are more than mere mentions of the subject, does not pass WP:GNG. Furthermore, Google Scholar searches returned no evidence that the subject's work is widely cited, and I tried searching both for several different forms of the subject's name, and specifically for their listed publications and those that supposedly were influenced by them–the fact that the article only cites one other author of dubious notability as the subject's legacy leads me to believe that this subject does not pass WP:NACADEMIC and WP:NAUTHOR. signed, Rosguill talk 17:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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  • Keep. Hi there, this my first article and I hope you'll forgive me if my response is incorrectly formatted. I added some more detail and more sources to this article. I'm not sure if they will satisfy the stated reasons for deletion, but I felt I needed to at least give it a try. I would say that some of the sources are definitely more than mentions of the subject mostly because they appear to based on the author's message and the terminology used in the book, even if they don't give full credit. I think this person is known for introducing a new technique in employee training, and has influenced multiple companies over the past two decades to use it. There has been coverage on this technique and this author for around 20 years. This person's method is now practiced in many hospitals and school systems because of their influence on two other authors to promote the same learning techniques. Thanks for your consideration. --Wordgardener (talk) 00:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Looking through the additional citations you've provided, the only one that appears to potentially have the sort of in-depth coverage of the subject necessary to demonstrate notability is [11], but most of the article is behind a paywall and the amount that is visible for free is not sufficiently in-depth. If it covers the subject in more depth, it would count toward the subject's notability. As for your claims that the subject's innovations have been put into practice, in the absence of sources that clearly reference or otherwise cite the subject they appear to be original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Saying that they "appear to be based" on Fred's publications simply because they are similar is insufficient–we need verifiable proof. signed, Rosguill talk 00:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
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  • Delete. Does not pass WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR. If the speed to proficiency method was notable and well researched, then maybe the originator would be notable. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 02:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete I did my own search as well as checking the references in the article and I don't see significant independent coverage of him. A number of the article's references don't even mention his name and many are not independent. I didn't check those behind paywalls, but the others were not enough to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 22:07, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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