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Welcome to the Museums WikiProject! A chunk of this text has been stolen borrowed under GFDL ;) from other Wiki Projects.

Goals
  • Improve Wikipedia's coverage of museums.
  • Improve quality of existing articles
  • Expand smaller museums in non-English dominant countries where articles are little more than a sentence.
  • Create guidelines for articles about museums.
Scope
  • The project covers all articles about museums in a wide range of disciplines and locations throughout the world. By member consensus, it does not include aquaria, herbaria, zoos and other non-museum 'collections' because these are well-covered in other projects.
  • For those within the museum sector, and collaborations between Wikipedia and institutions, see Wikipedia:Advice for the cultural sector.

Members[edit]

  1. Hafabe Art museums in NYC area or collections of Spanish art
  2. ChrisEngelsma Art and science museums, especially in Houston area.
  3. DiverScout (talk · contribs) (volunteer curator for small museum in UK, will concentrate on East Anglian, rail and WW2 content)
  4. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk)
  5. John Carter (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC) – This is the first project I was ever told I was myself "within the scope of". I know I'm getting on in years, but still. :)
  6. LanceBarber (talk) 04:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  7. MBK004 (talk · contribs) – military/ships
  8. Gimme danger (talk · contribs) – science museums and Chicago-area museums
  9. Minnaert (talk) 04:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC) – I mess around with museum articles... mainly in california
  10. Jpbowen (talk · contribs) – interested in museums internationally and especially online
  11. Bluegoblin7 (talk · contribs) – interested in most British Museums, especially Transport ones!
  12. Aqwis (talk · contribs) – interested in science museums and Norwegian museums in general
  13. Lquilter (talk · contribs) – science museums, categorizing
  14. RogoPD – public art collections in Europe
  15. Daniel Case (talk · contribs) – I have done many historic house museums here in the Hudson Valley as a by-product of doing articles for the U.S. National Register of Historic Places project, so it's really a formality. Good that we have this project. Daniel Case (talk) 20:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  16. Dmadeo (talk · contribs) – I've done a lot of work on List of National Historic Landmarks in New York City, many of which are historic house museums, but also are the big boys such as the Met, etc.
  17. Musebrarian (talk · contribs) – history, industry and technology, Museum Informatics, Museology
  18. Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk · contribs) -Count me in, I won't be actively concentrating on museums but will be creating some articles on museums in places in the developing world in coordination with my other work, particularly Africa and Asia and countries of Central Europe.
  19. Appletrees (talk · contribs) – Mostly working on museums in South Korea, but North Korea seems to have interesting museums as well.
  20. Doncram (talk · contribs) – Ship museums, historic house museums, other historic site museums. Have been participating, may as well join. :) doncram (talk) 17:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  21. BusterD (talk · contribs) – Another NYC-area museum member with a love for science museums and historical societies. BusterD (talk) 12:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
  22. Basketball110 (talk · contribs) – I can get info and pictures from all the museums in Romania.
  23. LordAmeth (talk · contribs) – Focusing on museums, historical sites, etc in Japan.
  24. Thomas Paine1776 (talk · contribs)
  25. Woland37 (talk · contribs) interested in museum stuff including organizations and whatnot
  26. Ridenm (talk · contribs) working on National Atomic Museum page
  27. MRacer (talk · contribs) – former museum volunteer and fine artist with an interest in art, world history and local history subjects as they relate here.
  28. nicg1883 (talk · contribs) – interested in museum and have created an article on the Holy Jesus Hospital Museum. English.
  29. Jordan Timothy James Busson (talk · contribs) I'll help out. --Jordan Contribs 17:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
  30. Ralphwiggam75 (talk · contribs) – art historian
  31. Fact-of-the-matter (talk · contribs) – Museum administrator
  32. jonallen1966 (talk · contribs) – I'm going to have a go at the Tokyo Museums
  33. Editorofthewiki (talk · contribs) – I'll help out here and there. ~EDDY (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 20:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
  34. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · contribs)
  35. Danwalk (talk · contribs) – Academic in the humanities primarily interested in art museums. Areas of particular interest are Spain and Massachusetts, USA.
  36. Thaliapap (talk · contribs) – Architect (M. Arch.) with special interest in museums, focusing in Greek Museums.
  37. Storye_book (talk · contribs) – I have no great expertise, but have been contributing in a small way to Leeds City Museum page, and have created several Yorkshire museum pages. I'm happy to take photographs where permitted.--Storye book (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
  38. Ssbautista (talk · contribs) – PhD student in Communication/Museum Studies studying digital media. Former art curator/critic/nonprofit administrator.
  39. IxK85 (talk · contribs) – curator at the Imperial War Museum in London.
  40. The Illusional Ministry (talk · contribs) – Will mostly be doing infoboxes.
  41. Hoverfish (talk · contribs) – Category work and cleanup in Greek Museums.
  42. Witty lama (talk · contribs) – 'Wikipedian in Residence' at the British Museum during June 2010.
  43. Sj (talk · contribs) – Frequent lurker in the Harvard Museums, and Museums of Science everywhere.
  44. BGinOC (talk · contribs) – Historical studies.
  45. FloNight (talk · contribs)
  46. Ryecatcher773 (talk · contribs)- BFA (Painting & Printmaking), minored in Art History; Worked at Landfall Press in Chicago. Main focus on Cleveland Museum of Art.
  47. Theo10011 (talk · contribs)
  48. Victuallers (talk · contribs) – been busy on Britsh Muiseum and National Porrait Gallery for 3 years or so. So time to join maybe?
  49. Codrinb (talk · contribs) – Archaeology and history museums relating to Dacia, Moesia, Thrace, Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Ancient Celts, Transylvania, Romania
  50. matthewcock (talk · contribs) – I run the British Museum's website, and active collaboration between the BM and Wikipedians.
  51. Farscot (talk · contribs) Working on Croatian topics, and have created/expanded articles on museums there
  52. kll2105 (talk · contribs) MA student in Digital Heritage, have created several museum/museum association websites and wiki articles
  53. Crofut (talk · contribs) In the Interpretive Projects department at the Connecticut Historical Society.
  54. PKM (talk · contribs) – Active on several GLAM projects; expertise in costume, textiles, Elizabethan era
  55. Star Mississippi (talk · contribs) – wow, somehow I'm not a member. NYC is my focus but I love all museums everywhere
  56. Jabberwoch (talk · contribs) GB; technology, ancient and new.
  57. Umanisti (talk · contribs) – community manager for small museum association in Italy (Associazione Nazionale Piccoli Musei)
  58. DebraHardy (talk · contribs) – BFA Art History, Minor in Art Education, headed towards MA in Museum Studies. Primarily interested in art museums and historic houses, primarily in New Hampshire and Illinois. Currently working on Currier Museum of Art.
  59. Pigsonthewing (talk · contribs) – Wikipedian in Residence at a number of museums, QRpedia expert.
  60. Arunram (talk · contribs) – contribute to Indian museum articles.
  61. Waitabout (talk · contribs) – Contribute to museums in Southern Africa.
  62. Blarcrean (talk · contribs) – Contribute to museums in South Africa
  63. Bahnfrend (talk · contribs) – technology and transport museums, particularly in continental Europe and Australia
  64. Daniel Mietchen (talk · contribs) – active in Science GLAM and WikiProject Open Access, working at Museum für Naturkunde Berlin
  65. Anwaraj (talk · contribs) Contribute to Museums in India
  66. NComparato (talk · contribs) Completing the list of Exhibition Halls for the American Museum of Natural History
  67. Faendalimas Researcher at the Museu de Zoologia da Universidade de São Paulo, work in Herpetology, as a taxonomist/ paleontologist.
  68. Riccarbi Architect registered in Italy and the UK, specialized in museum and exhibition design, former professor of exhibition design at the Polytechnic University of Milan and at the University of Bari
  69. Qetipa (talk) 01:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC) Museums professional based in Argentina, with international links in Brazil, Mexico, Britain, Germany, India and France.
  70. Luannasaurus (talk · contribs) – I'm new to Wikipedia. I work in a museums and would like to add articles about smaller British museums.
  71. Auchmill (talk) 22:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC) – Quite new to Wikipedia and writing articles about New Zealand artists and therefore art institutions as support info
  72. Smirkybec (talk) 16:47, 8 May 2015 (UTC) Based in Ireland, I'm interested in improving and expanding the coverage of museums here.
  73. Arthistorian1977 (talk) – Based in Israel, Native Russian speaker, with English and Hebrew full proficiency. Main interests are photography and mixed art.
  74. User:Ryanlintelman (talk) – history museums, Smithsonian museums, museums in Washington D.C.
  75. HistoryNeedsYou (talk) – museums in the UK
  76. MBlairMartin (talk) – Museology Graduate Student currently working with the Living Computer Museum in Seattle, Washington.
  77. VintageComputing (talk)
  78. Natropical (talk) I'm new to wikipedia. Worked in and with museums in the US and Mexico.
  79. YuliaLim (talk)) I am interested in museums of contemporary art from all over the world.

Languages Spoken[edit]

If you're able to read or write in a language other than English in order to help expand articles in countries where English isn't primary, please leave your name here:

  • Craftyanthropologist (talk · contribs) – I can read and write in Polish and somewhat in French (English is my native language, so I'd be happy to do translations from Polish or French to English; I'd be less comfortable doing them the other way around).
  • Basketball110 (talk · contribs) – I can read and sort-of-write in Romanian. Basketball110 My story/Tell me yours 23:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  • LordAmeth (talk · contribs) – I would be happy to read anything in Spanish or Japanese to double-check facts or help with expansion.
  • Lazulilasher (talk · contribs): French (fluent, second language) Lazulilasher (talk) 20:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Fact-of-the-matter (talk · contribs) – I can read Spanish and could do research. I don't trust my Spanish grammar well enough to write articles in Spanish, but I can do research and review Spanish articles. I can also read french at a less than fluent level of comprehension. I know basic vocabulary and grammar in French but I am much better with Spanish.
  • Danwalk (talk · contribs) – Native English speaker with near-native fluency in Spanish.
  • Thaliapap (talk · contribs) – Native Greek speaker.
  • Goodness Shamrock (talk · contribs) – A native Dutch speaker; can also read German.
  • The Illusional Ministry (talk · contribs) – Native Swedish speaker; can also read German and all Scandinavian languages.
  • Codrinb (talk · contribs) – Native Romanian speaker; can read Italian, French, also some Spanish, Portuguese, Latin
  • ARG1900 (talk · contribs) – Native English speaker; can read German and French. Ger>Eng translator.
  • Star Mississippi (talk · contribs) – Native English speaker. Read Spanish, French and some Japanese.
  • Umanisti (talk · contribs) – Native italian speaker. Read english.
  • Bahnfrend (talk · contribs) – I translate from German, and also translate from many other languages with the assistance of Google translate.
  • Nomu420 (talk · contribs) – Native urdu speaker and reader. Can translate from many other languages.
  • *Anwaraj (talk · contribs) – Urdu
  • Riccarbi (talk · contribs) – Native Italian speaker with near-native fluency in English. Read French and Spanish. Can easily translate from Italian to English and vice versa.
  • Jpboudin (talk · contribs)
  • Qetipa (talk) 01:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC) Bilingual, native British English and native Castilian Spanish speaker. Can translate from Spanish to English. I can read Portuguese, French, Italian and a little German.
  • Natropical (talk) Bilingual English/Spanish
  • Martingggg (talk) Native spanish speaker can read french, english & portuguese
  • YuliaLim (talk)) Native Russian speaker. Can translate from English and German to Russian.

To Do[edit]

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Ongoing cleanup[edit]

There is an ongoing cleanup/developing in the undeveloped stub articles of Category:Museums in Greece to determine which of them meet with notability standards, develop them to at least basic stubs and nominate for deletion all the rest. You can help here. Participants: User:Thaliapap, User:Hoverfish

Article Alerts[edit]

Articles for deletion

Featured article candidates

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Articles needing tagging[edit]

A Bot/user using AWB is helping generate a list of articles that are in one or more of the museum subcats but not tagged for WP:Museum. Any help is welcome going through the list & removing those that shouldn't be tagged & tagging those that shouldn't. If there's a large list, it may be possible for a bot to work through the list

Deletion Discussions[edit]

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Museums and libraries AfDs[edit]

Daeyang Gallery and House[edit]

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insignificant coverage and no source improvement has been done since 2012 Editor General of Wiki (talk) 17:39, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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  • Keep No valid rationale given for deletion, lack of improvement is not a valid reason, and the nominator should perform a check for sources before nominating. The building appears to have received some coverage - [1][2][3][4][5][6], and there are likely more sources in Korean. Should pass WP:GNG. Hzh (talk) 11:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. Appears to be an architecturally significant building and has received quite a bit of coverage, e.g. [7] in addition to the links above. Also agree with Hzh that it has likely received coverage in Korean-language media as well. Camerafiend (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Antique Boat Museum[edit]

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The museums only claim of notability is that it has "The largest collection of antique and classic boats in America", a claim that seemingly came from their own website and a COI account who edited the article 6 years ago. I couldn't find anything about this aside from it's own website, with the only real coverage being passing mentions and a paragraph long story about management switching hands. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 16:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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Hong Kong Trams Station[edit]

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). It was a tiny shop-sized "museum" in a shopping mall. For failing WP:GNG, on Apple Daily (this link), famous for tabloid journalism and paid reporting on shops, had an article half on the interview of the founder, and some routine and rephrasing on the founder's introduction on those tiny collections, which were routine coverage. Another article of the same newspaper, was an interview of the mother of the founder of the museum, yet with routine coverage on the museum.

Moreover, the current English version of the article looks like speedy G11 material.

While on Chinese version, this link (Oriental Daily) was about the tram, and one sentence routine coverage about the museum. While this link (Sing Tao Daily) was also one paragraph routine coverage about the museum and the rest were about the tram. Matthew_hk tc 15:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

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A couple of independent sources have been added to the article to establish notability and squash this deletion proposal (finding ways to keep content is much more fun than making hasty proposals to delete content). It was a bit of a Pyrrhic victory, however, as I discovered that the museum closed less than a month ago. Jackdude101 talk cont 06:17, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Independent, but fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Hong Kong 01 is a web newspaper, using it as a citation for routine fact is not a problem, but for establishing the most strict "reliable source" requirement, i am not sure . Also the two articles were interview of the founder and no support of private museums by the government respectively. And it clearly fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Examples of trivial coverage Matthew_hk tc 10:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Also, i would say almost every single Chinese cafe, noodle restaurant, etc. in Hong Kong, had news cutting on display in their shop front. They got even more attention when they are forced to close down due to not affordable rent by "Real Estate Hegemony" which fuels the tabloid journalism on how they found the shop. But end up they are all routine, trivial founding stories that looks the small, only differ in very specific detail. The Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) was meant to be a bar for flooding such shops with routine coverage. Matthew_hk tc 10:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
The reason why it is in fact notable is because it was NOT your average shop front; it was a small museum dedicated to the history of the Hong Kong Tramways. Also, the web newspaper links are interviews of the founder, but they are interviews regarding the museum specifically, and other aspects besides the closure are discussed. Of course, a web newspaper is indeed not as good as, say, a book on the topic, but this is not a featured article nomination; it's a discussion of whether the article meets the bare minimum criteria to not be deleted, and I feel that with the recent changes that you and I made, it passes. Jackdude101 talk cont 11:35, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

The House of Fine Art[edit]

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Non-notable business, does not satisfy WP:NCORP. It's relatively hard for a commercial art gallery to become notable by our standards, but a few major ones do manage it; this is not one of them. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment Please search variations of keywords. For eg. HOFA London, HOFA Gallery. One will find ample sources in Google News. Accesscrawl (talk) 19:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
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Those are two crypto trade rags, which do not help toward N per WP:ORGCRIT. Jytdog (talk) 01:18, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • And the third source, i.e. the interview, has been analysed in my comment as Ref 17. In fact, the other two blogs have also been already discussed below. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep Plenty of references; I have dropped a few into the article and expanded it a bit. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:17, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
User:Ritchie333, the two refs you dropped here were"
this brief listing in a "thing to do in London in July"
a cryptoblog, which made it the third such ref cited. All three fail ORGCRIT under trade rags, and we are generally shunning refs like these pursuant to to the crypto general sanctions which in turn arose from all the promotional pressure and hype around cryptocurrencies. There are currently none used in this page.
Would you please consider your !vote? This does not meet WP:NCORP as updated back in March. Jytdog (talk) 01:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Just for the record, all of the sources mentioned above have also been discussed by me in my comment below. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
I wanted to comment here after cleaning up the article, but the page creator is indulging in unexplained reverts, which has halted my editing there. I've partially cleaned up the page from redundant sources without removing any content from the page – see this revision & my comments at the article's talk page. Once they stop their disruption, I will clean it up further. BTW, now I am logging out for today, as I've already spent hours waiting for their response. Anyway, both the page creator & the AfD's participants are welcome to discuss my edits at the article's talk page. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 08:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
AFD is not for cleanup. Read WP:VOLUNTEER, WP:DEADLINE. Accesscrawl (talk) 10:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I am familiar with these essays, but read my comment again to understand its context. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
  • delete I just went through this carefully. The page as it stands now is like this. There were two sources that were simply publishing the same press release. There was an artist's website, and the website of another gallery that didn't actually mention HOFA. Two bad crypto blogs. The Forbes piece was a Forbes contributor blog (so not useful for N) and on top of that, was entirely derivative of the Evening Standard piece with no additional useful information. What is left, is an interview with an artist exhibiting there (not useful for N), a "here's what to do in London" brief listing, which is not useful for N, and a brief blurb about Ilhwa Kim’s Sensory Portrait show opening, which is also not useful for N. The Evening Standard piece is useful. That is one source. We really should delete, as the promotional pressure with all the bad sourcing is very, very clear. Jytdog (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment – Although Jytdog has already cleaned up the article properly, just for the clarity of the participants, I am choosing this old revision, which contains all of the 17 citations, so that they won't feel that any source was overlooked. My analysis shows that even if we include the Forbes source, there is nothing more than trivial coverage here.
I will start my analysis with the most in-depth sources of the article:
The main focus of this source lies on cryptocurrency, although it does have few independent bits about the gallery:
"A Mayfair art gallery claims to be the first to put up its entire collection for purchase with cryptocurrency...(HOFA), which sells high-end fine art...Gallery prices start at about £4,000 but rise to about £250,000 for pieces by Italian sculptor Stefano Bombardieri. The collection includes works by French sculptor Richard Orlinski and American Hunt Slonem...The exhibition will start in London at the beginning of October..
Note that this source is cited twice in the revision chosen by me, i.e. this & the Ref 11 are one and the same.
This one is a puffery piece, and reads like a press release. In fact, according to the article's talk page discussion, it is one. Anyway, this is what it mentions:
Following the success of their first gallery in London, they have since opened a gallery in the stunning location of Psarou Beach in Mykonos, a third gallery in Mayfair and have now taken their brand to the US, with a gallery in the plush setting of West Hollywood...To mark the opening of the new Mayfair gallery, a summer exhibition titled ‘The Edit’ will be taking place from 4 July – 8 August 2018....Headline artists include Romina Ressia, Tian, Robert Standish and Marco Grassi.
Rest of the article just gives details of the artists, which are irrelevant here.
This news article was published two days after the LES source, and it basically repeats the same info covered in the LES, and repeats a line of the Luxe Life source. The main focus of the source again lies on cryptocurrency, and it includes HOFA spokesperson's comments, so this one isn't independent. Anyway, here's the only details which are different from the LES source:
...inspirational works by the likes of Zhuang Hong Yi...HOFA first noticed a demand for Bitcoin payments last year and decided to approach the digital money platform Uphold to offer a wider range of payment, and capitalize on the demand.
Now before analysing the next batch of refs, I am quoting from the note 3 of the WP:N:
It is common for multiple newspapers or journals to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works. Several journals simultaneously publishing different articles does not always constitute multiple works, especially when the authors are relying on the same sources, and merely restating the same information.
  • Now I will list the sources which are mere copies of the above three sources, i.e. LES, Forbes, & Luxe Life sources. To start with, these copies don't count toward notability, as is clear by the WP:N quote. Anyway, once the original news regarding cryptocurrency transaction was published in LES & Forbes sources on 7 August 2018 & 9 August 2018 respectively, it was copied & published by the multiple cryptocurrency-promoting blogs/sites on 9 August 2018. Most of these sources don't have editorial oversight & they republished the same news without attribution. So, let alone counting toward notability, they seem to be in violation of the WP:COPYVIOEL:
This is a word-for-word copy of the Luxe Life source.
This is merely a listing of the The Edit exhibition, on which the Luxe Life source is focusing – this source basically summaries the Luxe Life source in two lines.
This a copy of LES source.
This a copy of the LES source (with attribution) – the source is providing the link to the LES article at the end under the description of "Read more here."
This source is a user-generated content, as I've explained in my comment to Sam. In any case, it is a mere copy of the Forbes source – it just lists the price range in dollars instead of pounds.
It is another yet another cryptocurrency blog with no editorial oversight, and it is a repeat of LES.
The remaining is the refbombing of artists' interviews & personal websites, which either mention the HOFA in passing or don't mention it at all:
This is HOFA's website, which isn't serving any purpose, and it obviously doesn't count towards notability.
  • Refs regarding the artist Zhuang Hong Yi:
This is an interview of the artist Zhuang Hong Yi about his solo show Radiance, which was hosted by HOFA. The interview is focusing on the work of the artist, although it does contains statements of both the artist & the HOFA's co-founder regarding their partnership. This interview might've been useful to add some info in the artist's WP article, but they don't have one. As far as HOFA is concerned, the only useful bit is that the artist worked for them. So this is a non-independent source, which doesn't count towards notability.
This is another interview of Zhuang regarding his aforementioned solo show Radiance. And this is the only mention of the gallery: “Radiance” runs until March 24 at the House of Fine Art (HOFA) gallery in London’s St. James district, before moving to a separate HOFA gallery in Mayfair from March 26 to April 8
Like the previous interview, it just proves that the artist worked for them.
  • Refs regarding the artist Ilhwa-Kims:
This short article is about a South Korean artist Ilhwa Kim's solo show Sensory Portrait, and the only thing it mentions about the gallery is: "Hosted by HOFA Gallery in London". In fact, that seems like the only time this artist got coverage, and obviously they don't have a WP article.
This interview is also about the artist's aforementioned solo show Sensory Portrait, and the only mention that HOFA gets is the following: The Sensory Portrait exhibition at HOFA in London runs until April 17th
  • Refs regarding the artist Marco Grassi:
This is the link of the artist's personal website, which doesn't even mention the HOFA. Why was it cited in the article?
This one lists his work, but there is no mention of the HOFA in it. Again, why was it cited in the article?
So, all in all, there is around 6-7 lines of semi-independent coverage, and it doesn't go beyond trivial mentions, thereby the subject is nowhere close to meeting the high standards of WP:CORPDEPTH or WP:GNG.
PS: Participants are free to comment on my analysis, although I won't be able to spend more time here today. So I will reply to the comments tomorrow. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC) added a ref which I missed earlier & made some other tweaks. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Note that, for whatever reason, participants are bringing the copies of the LES source, which appeared in multiple cryptocurrency-promoting blogs/sites after that news was originally published by LES on 7 August 2018. Please also note that they count as one source – see my comment above, esp. the quote from WP:N. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. Satisfies GNG. James500 (talk) 03:55, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • User:James500 please review WP:NCORP, especially WP:ORGCRIT - that guideline received a major upgrade in March. As far as I can tell there is one independent source with substantial discussion of this organization, and that does not pass NCORP much less GNG. Jytdog (talk) 16:13, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Jytdog, after analysing the sources twice, I agree that LES is the only independent source. But even its focus lies on discussing the "bitcoin trend", and it is giving coverage to all the relevant galleries, thereby allotting just around four encyclopedic lines to the subject. So, even that source is nowhere close to being in-depth. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment. James500, Sam Sailor, I wonder if you are aware that WP:GNG leads to the same paragraph as WP:SIGCOV? The first sentence there is "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list". So perhaps, instead of merely stating "meets/satisfies GNG", you could provide evidence of where you found that significant coverage, why you think the detailed analysis of the sources provided here by NitinMlk is incorrect, and how you think that the sources you've found might satisfy WP:NCORP? Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • There is no need to argue when the subject obviously satisfies WP:GNG. Rzvas (talk) 18:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • ORG is irrelevant. An art gallery is a building wherein paintings are kept. The relevant SNG is NGEO. Deletion would also violate ATD, PRESERVE and R because Maddox Street (which has a large number of listed buildings: [14]) has an article. This gallery is actually number 58. It has a fairly impressive history: [15] [16]. I should also point out that GNG has nothing to do with any SNG, and that includes ORG. James500 (talk) 23:09, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • No, this is a business. It sells art. It is not a building. WP:NCORP is the appropriate N guideline here. Jytdog (talk) 01:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • No, an art gallery is a building. An organisation is a group of people. You cannot hang paintings on a group of people. You have to have walls. Therefore building. For this to be an organisation, you would in practice have to show that it refers to a group of people who own more than one art gallery. Otherwise "HOFA" is just a name for the building where the paintings are displayed. James500 (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Oh my. I see your confusion. OK, I fixed the content. It is clear from all the sources that HOFA is an art dealer. Art dealers need art galleries to show their wares; "art gallery" is frequently used as a shorthand to refer to the dealer -- to the business. Just oh my. Jytdog (talk) 23:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • It's not a gallery like the National Gallery or MOMA. It's a shop that sells artwork. Such shopkeepers call their shops "galleries" and themselves "dealers". Search for "58 Maddox St London W1S 1AY" to see a streetview of the doorway on a Mayfair street of shops including one other gallery. It seems to have been a dress shop when Google Streetview last went by. 92.19.30.162 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • You are trying to vouch for it's notability in terms of NGEO? Are you emulating Col. Davidson? WBGconverse 09:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:NCORP is NOT the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Theroadislong (talk) 16:20, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • And that is why you had used a A7 tag for requesting speedy deletion?[17] Rzvas (talk) 18:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • That has nothing to do with the policy-based rationale provided by them here. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
The first, second, and third refs are low quality cryptocurrency blogs/trade rags, which we do not use. The last is a press release that duplicates a press release already used in the article as discussed on the talk page [[22]].. None of those are useful for N. Jytdog (talk) 18:17, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
RS = RS. Even if you think they covered something that you personally find unimportant. Rzvas (talk) 18:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Rzvas, please note that the first two sources provided by you are mere copies of the LES source, which appeared in multiple cryptocurrency-promoting blogs/sites after that news was originally published by LES on 7 August 2018. In fact, the third source provided by you mentions the HOFA & gives a link to the main article at the Read more label, and that main article is already analysed by me as Ref 7 above, which is again copy of the LES source. And the fourth source provided by you was already discussed in my above comment in the form of Ref 5. Please also note that they count as one source – see my analysis of the sources above, esp. the quote from WP:N. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC) added a bit which I missed earlier. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:48, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
RS are indeed RS, and refs that are not RS are not RS. I have described why all four sources you brought are not RS for consideration of notability of an organization per WP:ORGCRIT - you should read that. Jytdog (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Rzvas, I guess you can hear something salient, in Jytdog's analysis, shall you try enough.......WBGconverse 09:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep I created the article and avoided make a vote but after having seen a number of established editors able to find reliable sources for the establishing WP:NOTABILITY, WP:GNG, I have no doubt now that the article should be absolutely kept. Accesscrawl (talk) 02:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Since I saw you mention over the ANI thread that you aimed for an auto-patrol flag, please be aware that we have a disdain for hat-collecting Wikipedia is not a MMORPG and that these type of creations won't lead to the flag.WBGconverse 09:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. www.theartcollector.org is a blog that offers Advertorial/promotional editorial as part of their opportunities for brand exposure, and is not remotely an independent, reliable source. milemag.com publishes press releases, Luxury London "positions premium brands in front of high-net-worth and ultra-high-net-worth individuals through absorbing multi-channel content, revolutionary data profiling technology and tailored invitation-only events" in other words: neither independent nor reliable. The piece in Glass Magazine barely mentions the gallery, so does not provide significant coverage. Vexations (talk) 03:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • There are more than just three sources. Look at the history of the article. You won't see if it is possible anytime soon for others to add the content without engaging in edit warring with the same editors who are badgering this AfD. Excelse (talk) 06:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Excelse, I've looked at the article's history, and chose the revision which contained all the sources that were ever cited there. And analysed them in detail. So you won't find any new source there. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep Except the sources provided by users above, Standard.co.uk (London Evening Standard) also provides significant coverage per WP:GNG. Excelse (talk) 06:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
    • You have certainly failed to bring a new source.LES has been noted in Nitin's analysis.WBGconverse 09:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete-Fails NCORP. The sole claim to notability (which has got almost zero significant-traction outside the realm of crypto-blogs) is an-one-event-notability, at any case. Nitin's and Jytdog's reasoning has been excellent. And, I'm pretty amazed that multiple people seem to be blissfully unaware of ORGCRIT.WBGconverse 09:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per Jytdog and NitinMlk's excellent analyses of the promotional and unreliable sources in use. From what I can tell from what's left, the gallery has a claim of significance for apparently being the first art gallery to accept payments of cryptocurrency, however there do not appear to be any reliable publications noting this achievement, strongly suggesting that it is not one which would establish notability. And without notability, this business fails our inclusion guidelines. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete – fails WP:NCORP/WP:GNG. Before even commenting here, I had already searched about the HOFA, and was unable to find any in-depth, independent, reliable coverage that comes anywhere close to meeting WP:NCORP or WP:GNG. But I am someone who believes in discussion. So I posted my analysis of every source of the article in the hope of getting others' views. But rather than providing any new material for discussion or any policy-based arguments, they have just provided the copies of LES source, which appeared in multiple crypto-currency promoting blogs/websites. These blogs/sites aren't even counted for notability, per WP:ORGCRIT. In any case, they add nothing new. Every thing else has already been explained in my analysis above. And I also note the thorough policy-based analysis of Jytdog. We can waste more time here, but that won't make any difference. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:46, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep per James500 who laid out correct understanding of the subject. Subject warrants stand alone article because of the significant coverage in multiple sources the article shows. Sdmarathe (talk) 03:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Sdmarathe James500 did nothing of the sort? WHERE is the significant coverage in multiple sources? Theroadislong (talk) 07:30, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete - there's just the one reliable independent source as discussed above, so the subject clearly does not meet any of the applicable notability criteria. NitinMlk's and Jytdog's analyses of the sources are exhaustive and I agree with them entirely. WP:ORGCRIT are much stricter than it used to be (thankfully) and this just doesn't come close to meeting them. --bonadea contributions talk 07:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete This is a business article and therefore must satisfy WP:NCORP not WP:GNG, an error many keep voters are making, and the only article that comes close isn't focused on the organisation itself. Cheers to Jytdog for their hard work. SportingFlyer talk 07:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Delete votes are citing WP:ORGCRIT which has been already satisfied by multiple sources.[23][24] These sources have significantly discussed the subject and are independent. Kraose (talk) 08:35, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
That is not true. The first is le Mile which is a press release, identical to the one also published by Luxe which had also been used as a ref. (really -- compare them. The same words.) It is not independent. The second is the evening Standard which is OK. There is one independent source that has substantial discussion of HOFA. One. Jytdog (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete- I am convinced by Jytdog and Nitin's analyses that the sourcing isn't sufficient. Reyk YO! 14:35, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Almost no in-depth coverage exists aside for brief mentioning in some garbage blogs. Really saddens me that some people consider all those obvious WP:UGC as "reliable sources"... The "Mile Magazine" source is just a brief PR. Only usable WP:RS with passable depth is an article from "The Standard", but that's it. All in all this is just a non-notable art dealer.Omgwtfbbqsomethingrandom (talk) 20:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While a majority of !voters are tending towards delete, there is a significant minority with policy-based arguments towards keep. Re-listing this discussion to gain clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 23:14, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment I count 11 keep votes, and the only policy based argument I see is that the subject meets WP:GNG which has been shown to be an erroneous reading of the sources. None of the sources (except one) do in fact satisfy the GNG. Vexations (talk) 23:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • As of now, there are 7 of them in total. Anyway, once the actual analysis of the sources started, there are 14 delete !votes. And as far as sources are concerned, everything was already discussed in detail before the relisting. In fact, all the keep !votes were already refuted by the policy-based arguments before the AfD was relisted. If somehow there was an iota of doubt left, then it was cleared by the subsequent delete !votes. - NitinMlk (talk) 00:14, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. No real sources -- I mean, the Evening Standard story is not really about the gallery, it's about their accepting-bitcoin publicity stunt, and would be no more than a reliable source for THAT topic, not a mark of notability. And the less said about User:James500's frankly ridiculous "it's a building not a business" claim, the better, especially since it's not even a building by his logic, it's a tenant occupying PART of a building. --Calton | Talk 14:37, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per Jytdog and NitinMlk's analyses of the sources, and also per Bonadea above. Vanamonde (talk) 14:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. The subject does not meet GNG, and the analysis by Jytdog and NitinMlk above of the sources is thorough and convincing. -- Begoon 02:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Comment. All of the above discussion is incapable of reaching a cogent decision on the evaluation of the contemporary art gallery under consideration. We might as well just leave it as "Keep" for the time being. I am not taking any position on whether it should be "kept" or not. My concern is with these unhinged discussions. And we might as well not destroy something because it could be a long time until someone recreates it—if it is notable. We are essentially reinventing the wheel in each of these deletion discussions pertaining to contemporary art galleries and we are doing an extremely poor job of reinventing that wheel. I would suggest that notability guidelines for contemporary art galleries are distant cousins of other notability guidelines. I think we should draw up notability guidelines particularly tailored to contemporary art galleries and then revisit this AfD. Bus stop (talk) 23:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

  • If you've actually read the entire discussion above, then you would know that a consensus to delete has already been reached. And we aren't "reinventing the wheel", rather we are just following the standard notability policies & guidelines. I respect your interest in this area, but this isn't the place to 'tailor' notability guidelines. BTW, if you somehow end up tailoring the notability guidelines, then you can request for refund of the above article. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I would say that we are "just following the standard notability policies & guidelines" which are exceptionally poorly suited to evaluating the notability of contemporary art galleries. But carry on. Don't let me stop us from deleting articles on contemporary art galleries willy-nilly. Bus stop (talk) 00:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I understand your point, but you should raise these concerns at the talk page of WP:NCORP or any other relevant notability page. - NitinMlk (talk) 00:27, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The consensus of clueful votes is not ambiguous. The relevant guideline is WP:CORP and the keep votes have ignored WP:ORGCRIT, which we updated in March after a big whomping RfC. Jytdog (talk) 00:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Perhaps "willy-nilly" was a bit harsh because I think you are trying in good faith to apply the existing policies to which you refer. Unfortunately contemporary art galleries—not necessarily this one—derive notability in part from the attention their exhibitions receive in reliably-sourced art reviews. While this at present is rejected as a manifestation of WP:INHERIT it should be one of the factors that contribute to notability for contemporary art galleries. We are in fact very concerned with reviews of exhibitions when we evaluate notability. Reviews focus 99% of the time on the artwork and the artist and not on the art gallery. But those reviews have the potential to support notability for the art gallery. Aside from reviews of art exhibitions there is relatively little that can be said about art galleries. Consequently in many cases—not necessarily this one—articles on art galleries are deleted when they easily meet notability requirements. Bus stop (talk) 01:46, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

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