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More opinions needed at Requested move Nineteen Eighty-Four → 1984[edit]

It would be really helpful to get more opinions here. Thanks! PermStrump(talk)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject[edit]

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RRTF is hosting an Edit-A-Thon with prizes[edit]

Announcing RRTF's second annual Edit-A-Thon! The event is being held June 23 through July 28 in honor of author Rick Riordan's June birthday and author/illustrator John Rocco's July birthday. The focus of the edit-a-thon will be on expanding Wikipedia's coverage of these two authors in an encyclopedic manner.

The Edit-A-Thon is open to all Wikipedia users - you do not need any experience with Riordan, Rocco, or RRTF! Help is needed in a variety of areas, including referencing, copyediting, and new page creation. Prizes will be given for first, second, and third place and will consist of a barnstar and Amazon gift card. To enter, please visit this page. The winners will be announced by July 31.

More information on rules and scoring can also be found on the contest page. Questions about the subject material should be left on the RRTF forums. Questions about the contest should be left on the contest Q&A. Good luck and happy editing! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Naming the murderer and the victims in the Character list[edit]

A discussion began recently on this topic, of the character list in an article about a mystery novel. Specifically, one editor reverts if I identify the murderer in the character list -- thought the murderer is named in the Plot summary. The discussion is here. There is a bit of reverting going on, for this novel and other mysteries, which is not good. What is your view on this topic? What do you think of the view of the other editor who posted views in the discussion? Or of my views regarding WP: SPOILER? What resolution do you suggest? --Prairieplant (talk) 10:21, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

The editor in question is ‎GUtt01. If there is no resolution soon, I will need to ask for mediation, or some higher level editor to step in, as so many articles get changed without discussion or more important, agreement. --Prairieplant (talk) 09:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I looked at the article in question, and IF the article maintains the several sentences describing each character in the list, identifying the murderer shouldn't be a problem. There may be a question as to whether the character info in the list for each character belongs in the article at all, and that's a separate question. But if it remains, a person who reads each description should go into it with the same attitude as reading the plot summary. If they read it at all, it means they aren't sensitive about spoilers. The lead should only have the story premise for style reasons anyway, so spoilers are usually avoided naturally (but not just because they're spoilers), but, yeah, once a reader gets into the bulk of the article, WP:SPOILER applies.--MattMauler (talk) 12:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@Yodin: I have read WP:SPOILER, but there is one point to put here. The info on who is the killer is listed in the Plot Summary. I understand that according to SPOILER "It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot", but the question for these guys to note is this - does highlighting the murderer in the list serve "an encyclopedic purpose"? GUtt01 (talk) 13:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
But in any case, I'm gonna concede defeat and accept what ‎Prairieplant would like done, before I escalate this into an Edit War. GUtt01 (talk) 14:53, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Infobox for novellas[edit]

For something like N. (novella), neither the short story infobox nor the novel infobox seem to be fully suitable. The title should be italicized (as with novels) but it still needs the "published in" parameter (as with short stories). I could just add a "published in" parameter to the novel infobox, but didn't know if there was an accepted method for this. Thanks. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I created {{Infobox novella}} and used it in N. (novella). -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
That is just right, and very handy, JHunterJ. --Prairieplant (talk) 03:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

More info needed for these books... anyone willing to help?[edit]

I've just created these stubs:

and

If anyone could help expand these I'd be grateful, I'm not an expert in novels, but am trying to add new books to this wiki as I research about them. --Chelston-temp-1 (talk) 23:27, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Page Improvement[edit]

Cat in the Rain

Hi, I'm completing a university course on Wikipedia and I would like to make changes to the above page. I wish to add a 'Themes' section to the page. In this I will talk about the metaphors and allusions to androgyny which could be argued to be a precursor to Hemingway's later novel, The Garden of Eden (novel)

Here are some sources I intend to use:

West, Kevin R. (2015). "What He Says about “the Cat”: Enrique Vila-Matas on Hemingway’s “Cat in the Rain”." The Hemingway Review, 34 (2), pp. 105-110

Griffin, Peter (2001). "A foul mood, a dirty joke: Hemingway's A Cat in the Rain". The Hemingway review 20 (2), p. 99

Chatman, Seymour (2001). “‘Soft Filters’: Some Sunshine on ‘Cat in the Rain.’” Narrative, 9 (2) pp. 217–222

Please leave any feedback you have on my talk page. --Joshharper1 (talk) 05:15, 18 September 2018 (UTC)