Wikipedia:Wikifun/Round 12/Answers/Question 5

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Answer[edit]

That has to be Francis Crick, co-discoverer of DNA, he looks exactly the same, and has a thing describing the helix on the board behind him.--Zxcvbnm 12:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is not a depiction of Francis Crick. Ravn 13:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
It's Linus Pauling, not Crick. But I don't know what the other images are. Zoicon5 21:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Correct, one part of the image depicts a part of Linus Pauling. -- Ravn

Basically[edit]

There are three men. The top picture is Linus Pauling. The second picture looks to me like Frederick Sanger, both of which have won two nobel prizes, with at least one in Chemistry. The bottom picture I have no idea who it can be. - Ghelae 15:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not Frederick Sanger, sorry. -- Ravn 16:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

vandalized picture of Linus Pauling[edit]

It's a picture of Linus Pauling, giving a class lecture. But the picture is vandalized with graffity and a diaper. If this is a picture riddle, then my guess would be "baby genius".

Again, from the hint, I guess this is a person. As the first is apparently Linus Pauling, it could be another famous Linus, Linus Benedict Torvalds, who was named after Pauling. However, despite us having articles on other Torvalds, I can't find the third image. It looks a bit like a orchestral conductor or concert singer or musician in black tie (tuxedo), but I don't know what the blue stuff is. Other more or less famous Linuses include Linus van Pelt, from Peanuts or Linus Gerdemann. I can't find a person with the first name Pauling, but I suppose it could be a Paul. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, this is a person. Linus is part of his name. -- Ravn 12:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, in order not to create more confusion than necessary - yes the puzzle describes Linus Benedict Torvalds, but your answer is not correct yet (and obviously not complete). -- Ravn 13:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

about the hints...[edit]

Funny: Kellogg is also linked to the year where the "Hint" appeared. — MFH:Talk 13:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
You're not going to convince me to accept this as answer. ;) But I offer a box of Kellogg's to the one who convinces me that my ambiguous clues caused him to fruitlessly search in the wrong direction for the longest time. -- Ravn 14:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Hm, but concerning the hint, it seems so evident that it can't be wrong; however I see not any link between the hint and the Question... So it must be just about the "format of the answer"(?) — MFH:Talk 13:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure I fully get you. But yes, the format of ALoans answer was not correct. I added a comment above. -- Ravn 13:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I meant, the answer to the "hint" (which is something that appeared on a Saturday, isn't it ?), is not connected to the answer except for the fact that there is the same relation between the hint's picture and the hint's answer on one hand, and the question's picture and its answer on the other hand....
Well, now, with your confirmation, more clearly: we have to find Benedict and Torvalds somewhere...— MFH:Talk 17:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I permit myself to notice that your hint on this is somehow misleading since
  1. It seems to me that no page starting with "Benedict" bears the 2nd photograph. (In contrast to the case of the hint.)
  2. There is no page named "Torvalds". (In contrast to the case of the hint.)— MFH:Talk 13:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Your conclusion is correct. You probably have been misled. -- Ravn 13:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Indeed - could it be a Benny and/or Orville? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
No, sorry. You are all still missing some important information. It's not only the choice of pictures that matters. -- Ravn 15:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I think I know. We should should look for partially correct answers...— MFH:Talk 18:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Very subtle, thank you. Yes, that's partially correct. ;) -- Ravn 18:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Getting a bit less subtle, I permit myself to give you the hint that (I suppose) we all know since weeks that the answer is made of the full first part of Pauling, plus the indicated 90% of the first part of the 2nd guy, plus maybe 30% of the belly part of the 3rd --- BUT HOW TO SEARCH SYSTEMATICALLY FOR THE IMAGES THESE LAST TWO FRAGMENTS COME FROM ??? — MFH:Talk 20:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Hohum, less subtle then. You know the solution of the puzzle. I think you've identified how the puzzle is constructed. You know that the "Linus" part is already described by the first picture. Then the last two links must contain "Benedict" or "Torvalds" or parts thereof. That should be doable, even assuming the wrong percentages. -- Ravn 10:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I excuse myself - the second picture wasn't findable indeed - I've replaced it. The third one is still valid. -- Ravn 10:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, this does not reply exactly to my question, but ... better than nothing (maybe...). (Although there seems no link between "Benedict" and "Velociraptor"...)— MFH:Talk 04:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Well if it is a Velociraptor that would would give us:
Linus Pauling
Velociraptor
and presumably the last image is something like...
?????? ?????valds
--Spondoolicks 14:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Velociraptor was my first thought, but I can't see it there. From the image, it looks more like a bird than a dinosaur (not that the differences ar that large, but...) It should be something like "....tor....", with the "tor" in the middle of the word. The chap at the end seems to have "vald" or "vale" or similar towards the end of his name... -- ALoan (Talk) 15:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

imaginary answer[edit]

OK, I know the answer (of course...): The image depicts Linus Torvalds, since we see the first part of Linus Pauling, the rear part of a (Veloci-?)raptor, and the middle part of Erik Osvald Stensiö. — MFH:Talk 17:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
PS: in fact, the raptor is a Gastornis. Too bad that the photo of Erik is no more there ... — MFH:Talk 17:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I said it was a bird... -- ALoan (Talk) 15:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Dromaeosaurids (...) are true Avian birds. — MFH:Talk 19:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Gosh - what a selective quotation! At best, that position is a point of view. Our article actually says "Dromaeosaurids are theropods, and may be the sister taxon to Aves (birds), though there is mounting evidence ... that they are true Avian birds ... some researchers (such as Martin, Paul, and Czerkas) consider dromaeosaurids and other maniraptorans to be more derived than the first bird, Archaeopteryx, and therefore members of the clade/class Aves" (emphasis added) -- ALoan (Talk) 20:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Too bad it wasn't Thorvald Stauning, Thorvald Stoltenberg, or Thorvald Steen... AndyZ 20:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Sigh... Not Gunnar Thorvaldson or Ragnvald Soma- is the person correctly categorized? AndyZ 20:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
NO : the Category:people having 'valds' in their name doesn't even exist! :-) — MFH:Talk 21:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Well of course, one could have thought of any Thorvaldsen for example, my merit is (asides from having found the photo of Gastornis) just to point out that it's the unexpected Erik. — MFH:Talk 21:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
PS: in those former times, google also allowed to find non-word strings in web pages. AV doesn't any more, either. Is there still a search engine allowing to do so?
I wish Category:people having 'valds' in their name existed... I meant specifically if the birthdate was correctly categorized... AndyZ 21:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
or: is he in Category:living people? Category:celebrities? or something like that. — MFH:Talk 22:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Yup, the middle part is a Gastornis. There's a list of all article titles in Wikipedia (as an easy-to-search text file), if that helps. -- Ravn 14:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
If that helps..., he seems not to be among
zgrep "val.*[dD].*[S]" all_titles_in_ns0.gz
zgrep "val.*[dD].*_[sS]" all_titles_in_ns0.gz
zgrep "valds" all_titles_in_ns0.gz
zgrep "S.*_.*vald" all_titles_in_ns0.gz
and for those who want, see User:MFH/articles with "val.*(dD).*(sS)" in their name... — MFH:Talk 18:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The last picture[edit]

Found it! It's Laila Freivalds. —Zero Gravitas 18:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations!!! (how did that again escape to my scan...) — MFH:Talk 18:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
(In fact it is the 4th in the list of all articles having val.*[dD].*[sS] in their name and "(born" in their content; and it is classified via birth year, living people, and several other categories...)
For the record, the answer is Linus Torvalds - the first image is Linus Pauling, the second is Gastornis and the third is Laila Freivalds. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations from me too. And congratulations to MFH for winning both the round and a box of Kellogg's. (Unless someone else would like to challenge him for the latter). -- Ravn 19:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Congrats also to the questionsetter - we are still impressed (not only) with the matrix code of Question 1...! I hope your struggling with ever-vanishing images won't discourage you from editing a new round in the future! — MFH:Talk 20:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
(as to the box of Kellogg's, you have to consider oversea shipping or inviting me to see you during my next trip to Europe...)
Harumph - last brick in the wall has been given rather heavy weight in the point allocation in this round... (yes, these questions have been rather entertaining)-- ALoan (Talk) 20:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
ALoan, you're perfectly right. I have several times considered to give points for partial answers, or lately to you for first posting a complete answer (as opposed to completing the answer). I have decided against it, firstly because I did not think of a fair way to share points beforehand. But also because last brick scoring keeps the suspense high. ;) If you're stuck, you can either decide to post a partial answer (and possibly get hints in return) or wait, think harder, and hope that no one is faster. My only issue is that I did not mention that principle explicitly enough in the first place. I really hope that no one got turned off by that - I mean especially from the people who did not post lately. -- Ravn 20:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
You could have told us that before I started looking for those bloody boats... Sikyanakotik 00:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

By the way[edit]

The partial images shown were cropped at an exact percentage of the original image - proportionally to the part in question of the title of the article where the image is used. That is, to get the tor from Gastornis, I used the middle 33% of the picture. To get "an Bach" from Ansbach, I blanked the third of seven equally-sized parts. etc.pp. -- Ravn 21:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)