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June 21[edit]

New article[edit]


I have created a new article - Salman Zarka. I provided a number of reliable sources, included official pages of the organizations Dr. Zarka worked in, interviews to different media around the world. Can you please help me with the publication of this article, as it's still not approved by Wikipedia.

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Safed2017 (talkcontribs) 05:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

@Safed2017: It is a page that is up and running. Salman Zarka. The banner at the top is somewhat common on articles. Keep in mind, if you feel the issues are addressed, you can remove the banner. CTF83! 19:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Making an artist wikipedia page[edit]

Hello I was just wondering how to get my dj diamstat page I made to be shown on Wikipedia did I not do it right or how do I make a very well known dj whom there is plenty of information about available out there I have her permission as well. When I look it up on goggle the page I made doesn't even show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardsylelovers (talkcontribs) 07:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Hardsylelovers. Draft pages, such as Draft:DJ Diamstat should not be indexed by Google: only once the article has been moved to mainspace or (preferably) submitted for review and accepted into mainspace will Google index it. (I keep wondering why people are so fixated on whether or not Google sees articles. Who cares! This is an encyclopaedia, and may not be used for publicity!). As the draft stands it has no chance of being accepted, because it contains no references. Please see your first article, and understand that Wikipedia has no interest at all in what you (or I!) know or think, and little interest in what the subject of any article says or wants to say. An article should be based close to 100% on what people who have no connection to the subject have published about them, and - especially for an article about a living person - everything in the article should be cited to a reliable published reference. Unreferenced information in an article is in a sense completely worthless, because the reader has no way of checking whether it is accurate. --ColinFine (talk) 08:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

problem with link[edit]

i have problem with this link:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vadbe2l (talkcontribs) 12:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 5.4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Yunshui  12:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

User WannaUnix renaming many pages[edit]

User WannaUnix is renaming many pages without consent. i have moved one back which I know to be wrong but most look dubious and confusing -- Q Chris (talk) 13:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I've moved some back but had to use a slight difference in case -- Q Chris (talk) 14:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
@Q Chris: Actually, you moved the articles to titles with an initial uppercase letter in the disambiguators. I have fixed all of them now, and Unity is not really a desktop environment, so I have moved the corresponding article back to Unity (user interface), the title since the move on 16 May 2011 by Joe routt. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Bob Richardson (animator)[edit]

You have on this page very little actual facts concerning Bob Richardson (Animator) and a number of errors regarding films or television productions that he worked on. I have tried to correct this material based on well documented material (IMDb) and with the absolute permission of Bob Richardson and you have refused it. You say you're trying to make this material accurate and yet you have allowed mistakes on the page, while rejecting material that is factual and accurate.

This type of editing is terrible and suggests that none of your supposed facts can be trusted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cartoonimator (talkcontribs) 13:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Neither of the two sources that you describe are ideally used by Wikipedia. IMDb can be edited by anyone for most things (see Wikipedia:Citing IMDb, and Wikipedia works off of what other people publish about a person, not what they say about themselves. For example, we couldn't accept what Prime Minister May says about herself, but rather what is published about her.Naraht (talk) 14:28, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia has almost no interest in what people say about themselves. IMDb is for people to write about themselves, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, so it summarises what independent reliable sources say about the subject. If you find errors, please point them out on the talk page of the article, and find a reliable source independent of the subject that confirms the correction you wish to make. Wikipedia is not the place for resumés. Do you have a WP:Conflict of interest in editing this article? Are you editing on behalf of some organisation or agency? Dbfirs 17:44, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Marking disputed text[edit]

Isn't there a template for marking off a disputed portion of text by placing a border around it with a description of the problem? I want to mark off a certain paragraph as being questionably sourced within an otherwise well-referenced section of an article, without using multiple inline tags. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

{{citation needed span}}?
Trappist the monk (talk) 14:51, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks – that's more or less what I was looking for. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 15:34, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Regarding editing wikipedia[edit]

Hello I want to know if anyone can edit the information on Wikipedia than how we can trust that the information is correct and aunthetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skant722 (talkcontribs) 16:12, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Essentially, you don't. You look at the references that the article has and go from there. See Cultural_impact_of_The_Colbert_Report#Wikipedia_references for an example of what has been changed (and then reverted, and then temporarily protected). Naraht (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
... but for important articles, especially those classed as good or featured, so many editors (some of them expert in a subject, and others who are good at reading different references) have checked each sentence that the result can be surprisingly accurate and comprehensive, and can be better than a printed encyclopaedia article written by one person. It is always wise to check the history for recent vandalism, of course. Dbfirs 17:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
You may find something interesting in Reliability of Wikipedia, but then, you know, it´s on Wikipedia... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Re article on Deerfield, Lake Co, IL[edit]

I happened to be searching in various census records for a man born about 1895 in Indiana. He showed up in the 1920 census as a patient in Deerfield, Lake, IL. There were dozens of census pages devoted to patients, mostly men in their 20's and 30's, at that location. Was there a military hospital there, where they might have treated injured military personnel? Or possibly a tuberculosis sanatorium? The census doesn't specify the nature of the hospital, and the current history of the town doesn't mention such a facility. Looks like it was important enough to mention in a history of the town.

Here is the heading for the first of the census pages:United States Census, 1920 Illinois Lake Deerfield ED 247 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 18:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

2018 NCAA Baseball season[edit]

Can you move the 2018 NCAA baseball season from draft to article space please. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:61DF:5833:5874:D8D3 (talk) 21:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Where is the draft located? CTF83! 22:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

On top of the article 2600:8803:7A00:976A:61DF:5833:5874:D8D3 (talk) 00:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Dead links[edit]

In an article, one of the links in the references section is dead. I know the new link, but when I try to edit it, all of the references get highlighted. Not sure how to edit just the one link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David1775 (talkcontribs) 23:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi @David1775: What is the name of the article you are trying to edit? Depending on how the page creator created the references, you may need to edit the citation inline with the article. I would recommend using VisualEditor to do this. Hope that helps! If you have any other questions, please leave a message on my talk page. Daylen (talk) 04:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

June 22[edit]

Unclear situation[edit]

What position should I take regarding [1] and [2]? About this section: My attention was recently recalled [3], regarding at my language skills. Then I have questioned that recall[4] and I have had only one response [5], being that there isnt still any concesus and that I have not been banned in any manner the situation is still confusing. Can I edit here? Am I at risk of being banned? thats all. --Neurorebel (talk) 01:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

About new versions of files under PD-US-1978-89[edit]

Hi everyone,

I've been working on some portrait's extracted from files already uploaded under PD-US-1978-89. The question is: Can I upload a new and modified version, for example of this picture under the same license? It would be just a edited version from the same file but desaturated and cleaned. Thanks and regards! --C records (talk) 01:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi @C records: I would recommend asking your question at the Commons help desk, as they will be better equipped to assist you. Have a great day! Daylen (talk) 04:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Changing http to https in external urls for The New York Times[edit]

Evidently a decision was made, and is continuously implemented by a bot, to change external link targets at The New York Times in this way. But when I click on the changed links I get a blank page. When I go to the url in the http form, rather than https, I get the target. How can I fix this? Thank you for your help. Vzeebjtf (talk) 02:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Vzeebjtf: What web browser are you using (you can check this here if you are unsure)? I would recommend the latest version of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, or Opera. Daylen (talk) 04:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm using macOS 10.12.5 with Safari 10.1.1 (12603.2.4) and Chrome Version 59.0.3071.109 (Official Build) (64-bit). Example: > (First link in section "Notes") > gives me a blank. If I delete the "s", I get the page of The New York Times. Vzeebjtf (talk) 06:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Confirmed: I see an image when using the "http" link you've posted here, and a blank page if I try https. I'm using Windows 10 + Firefox 54.0, the latest version. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Confirmed blank page for https link with Chrome 58 on Windows 7, FireFox 52 on Windows 7. Howerver IE11 ( on Windows 7 does display the document from the https link. -- Q Chris (talk) 08:11, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Confirmed blank page for https link on Chrome 58 on Windows 10, good for http. Pinging the owner of the bot doing this bender235 Time to move this to WP:VPT???
@Bender235: (pings don't work if you don't sign). Pppery 20:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm aware of the problem. Should we revert the changes for the subdomain? Or wait for them to fix it. After all, they announced HTTPS would be effective everywhere on their site eventually. --bender235 (talk) 09:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

File mover permissions[edit]

Hi there! I was wondering if file movers have permission to delete images from the English Wikipedia? Thanks! Daylen (talk) 03:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Nope, file movers do not have permission to delete files. Take a look at Special:ListGroupRights for a full list of user groups and permissions that they include. eurodyne (talk) 05:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Use of an oral interview as information in a Wikipedia Article[edit]

Hi, have written an article on an artist (deceased) and am trying to have it accepted into Wikipedia. In a couple instances, I have included information from an oral interview with an expert on the artist (this expert is the curator/archivist of the artist's work). I have cited the information. My question is whether it is okay to use an oral interview as a source in a Wikipedia article? thanks, Joan

Sources in Wikipedia should be published. An oral interview would be acceptable if it were available on the website of some reputable organization, such as a public radio station, but if it were not saved in some permanent form and made available to the public, then you can't use it. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I think Jc3s5h is quite incorrect in suggesting that a source needs to have been saved in some permanent form. For instance, a radio interview is a valid source for e.g. the views of the person interviewed even if the radio station did not keep a recording for podcasts.
They are however correct that it needs to be published. In your case, if the interview was used as working notes and not made available, you should attribute the information to the correct source, which is not the interview itself but wherever the expert said they interviewed the artist (e.g. "Artist said [quote from the interview]" is incorrect, use "According to Expert, Artist said [quote]" instead with a ref to where Expert said so). TigraanClick here to contact me 09:47, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Article to be removed[edit]


could you please give us some feedback regarding the articles we have uploaded? What edits can we apply so they won't be deleted?Χρήστος_Μεγάλου

That's on Greek-language Wikipedia, and has already been deleted.

That has three references. The first provides evidence that its subject is notable, but the second is based on an interview with the subject and the third is published by his employer, so those two aren't independent. One independent source isn't enough to establish notability. If you can find some more reliable independent published sources that discuss the subject in some depth, you can save the article from deletion. Maproom (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piraeusbank (talkcontribs) 16:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

2017 NBA Summer League[edit]

Can you move the 2017 NBA Summer League From the talk page to the draft page please. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:91DF:2768:75DE:8D47 (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Unsure what you mean. you have been working on 2018 National Invitation Tournament and that was on a Talk page, so I moved that to draft space. it is now at Draft:2018 National Invitation Tournament. Jytdog (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

The difference between a WP article and an essay[edit]

I have poked around looking for something about this for a while, and never found it.

Where in all the policies/guidelines/essays, is a good discussion of the difference between a Wikipedia article and an essay, like a student might do for school in which they make an argument? I deal all the time with folks who want to add essay-like content and make arguments in Wikipedia. Template:Essay-like is the closest thing we have, and it points to Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles#Information_style_and_tone, which is not really about this. It is ~kind~ of covered by WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:What SYNTH is not, but not really, either.... Jytdog (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Does WP:NOTESSAY help? WP:YFA describes everything you need to do to create an article. RudolfRed (talk) 21:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
WP:NOTESSAY is pretty close, thanks for that - and that is where it should be, as this is a NOT thing. The high school/college essay is not really described there. I think I will open a discussion about it there. Thanks!!  :) Jytdog (talk) 22:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Attempting to create template for new infobox in userspace, but user page is being pulled in[edit]

I am attempting to draft a new infobox, to be called Infobox information security vulnerability. I created a draft for it at User:Zazpot/Infobox information security vulnerability. At this early stage in the drafting process, that page contains only the following contents (based upon Template:Infobox computer virus):

| title   = {{{fullname|{{{Fullname|<includeonly>{{PAGENAMEBASE}}</includeonly>}}}}}}
| image   = {{#invoke:InfoboxImage|InfoboxImage|image={{{image|{{{Image|}}}}}}|size={{{image_size|}}}|sizedefault=frameless|upright=1.1|alt={{{alt|}}}}}
| caption = {{{caption|}}}

| label1  = Common name
| data1   = {{{common_name|{{{common name|{{{Common name|}}} }}} }}}
| label2  = Technical name
| data2   = {{{technical_name|{{{technical name|{{{Technical name|}}} }}} }}}
| label3  = Aliases
| data3   = {{{aliases|{{{Aliases|}}}}}}
| label4  = Family
| data4   = {{{family|{{{Family|}}}}}}
| label5  = Classification
| data5   = {{{classification|{{{Classification|}}}}}}
| label6  = Type
| data6   = {{{type|{{{Type|}}}}}}
| label7  = Subtype
| data7   = {{{subtype|{{{Subtype|}}}}}}
| label8  = Isolation
| data8   = {{{isolation_date|{{{isolation date|{{{IsolationDate|}}}}}}}}}
| label9  = Point of isolation
| data9   = {{{isolation|{{{Isolation|}}}}}}
| label10 = Point of origin
| data10  = {{{origin|{{{Origin|}}}}}}
| label11 = [[Vector (malware)|Infection vector]]
| data11 = {{{infection_vector|{{{infection vector|{{{Infection vector|}}}}}}}}}
| label12 = Author(s)
| data12  = {{{author|{{{Author|}}}}}}
| label13 = [[Port (computer networking)|Port(s)]] used
| data13  = {{{ports_used|{{{ports used|{{{Ports used|}}}}}}}}}
| label14 = [[Operating system|Operating system(s)]] affected
| data14 = {{{OS|{{{OSes|}}}}}}
| label15 = Filesize
| data15 = {{{filesize|{{{Filesize|}}}}}}
| label16 = Written in
| data16 = {{{language|{{{Language|}}}}}}

However, when I view User:Zazpot/Infobox information security vulnerability, it shows, among other things, the contents of my user page. This is baffling, and I would like to resolve this issue before I proceed any further with refining the draft new infobox. Please can anyone explain why my user page is being pulled in to the draft infobox page, and what can be done about it. Also, is this expected behaviour, or is it a MediaWiki bug?

Please WP:PING me in your reply, as I am not watching this page. Thanks for your help! zazpot (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

@Zazpot: Fixed by [6]. {{Parameter names example}} assumes by default that _template is the parent of the current page, or the page itself if it doesn't have a parent. Update or remove the parameter if the page is moved. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: thanks for your speedy fix and explanation! zazpot (talk) 00:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

June 23[edit]

Racism in Wikipedia[edit]

Why is the definition of "White Pride" written as a racist statement against white people?? The article is disgusting and insulting towards white people. Yet the article of "Black pride" is praising and progressive. Please, stop the racism towards white people. It is a very offensive article. Thank you for your time and understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:32A0:CE50:4C78:C57C:D60A:FCB2 (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I hope you're quite young. Take history classes.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Read this.LRG5784 (talk · contribs · email) 03:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Giving "equal validity" can create a false balance. The prevailing view in reliable sources is against white pride and the article reflects that. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:12, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

The article I wrote was deleted[edit]

Hi there! I've written an article about a web design platform for freelancers DesignContest and three months later it was deleted. The article wasn't promotional and I didn't even get a chance to improve it so that it wouldn't be deleted. Please, let me know why I wasn't informed about this article deleting and why it was deleted in general. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natantiuk (talkcontribs) 14:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

@Natantiuk: There are four chief processes under which articles in the mainspace are deleted:

To learn about typical reasons articles are deleted, see Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted? To find out why the particular article you posted was deleted, go to the deletion log and type into the search field marked "Title" the exact name of the article, mindful of the original capitalization, spelling and spacing. The deletion log entry will show when the article was deleted, by which administrator, and typically contain a deletion summary listing the reason for deletion. If you wish to contest this deletion, please contact the administrator first on his or her talk page and, depending on the circumstances, politely explain why you think the article should be restored, or why a copy should be provided to you so you can address the reason for deletion before reposting the article. If after that the article remains deleted and you still wish to contest it, you have the option of listing the article at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but articles are normally only restored if the deletion was clearly improper. The article, DesignContest, was deleted for "unambiguous advertising" (G11), see here. I'll also leave another message at your talk page.  Seagull123  Φ  17:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

@Natantiuk: I'm not clear why you think that, for example the unsourced claim The main idea of this platform is to provide a simple, sophisticated and yet affordable design is factual and not just promotion. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

About American v. Rest-Of-The-World spelling – more specifically about z v. s[edit]

As you can no doubt guess by the title, I'm wondering about spelling of words. I noticed that, here on Wikipedia, there doesn't seem to be a consensus for whether to use American or Rest-Of-The-World spelling, for example: some articles only use American spelling, (e.g. "optimization"), while others only use Rest-Of-The-World-Spelling (e.g. "optimisation"), while others use a mix (e.g. "mathematical optimization, also spelled mathematical optimisation"), or swap between the two types like they can't make up their mind (e.g. "A relatively small part of the world thinks optimization is, great, but I, in fact, think optimisation means, the world").

I know Wikipedia was founded in America, so I understand it would have made sense to use that spelling, but now, with Wikipedia being read and used in so many countries, I'm unsure if that is still the best decision. Please advise me (and maybe others) why American spelling is still used and why or why not it should be kept, in place of Rest-Of-The-World spelling.

The answer to your question is at MOS:ENGVAR, which is part of Wikipedia's Manual of Style guidelines. You're welcome. Ltwin (talk)
(edit conflict) @LeachPistol: Please see WP:ENGVAR for information on use of different varieties of English. Some articles contain a 'hidden' template concerning the strain of English to be used which you will see on clicking the edit button. Articles in respect of UK subjects will use UK English and American will use US English. For other items the article will likely follow the variation used by the creator and there should be consistency throughout the page. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Image Use[edit]

Danny Wells - IMAGE here: [7] This one is new to me. As far as I can understand from the description: simply due to that fact that the subject is now deceased, all images are now fair use -- regardless of copyright -- because a person cannot capture one of their own now and upload it on Commons as owner? Since when did death exempt or usurp copyright or ownership or other people's work? The licensing justification: "Where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information" makes no sense since -- how do we know? we have no idea who actually owns photos of Danny Wells that could be uploaded as fair use through individual ownership without copyright. This seems assumptive. Also, I'm not quite sure what this[8]: "added image of him alive" means? If he's dead ... what other image would there be? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 23:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

@Maineartists: No, it is not public domain and free of copyright. However, if the subject is dead, then using the image could potentially be allowed under WP:NFCC, if all the other criteria are met also. RudolfRed (talk)

June 24[edit]

List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s[edit]

Hi, on List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s, the last images at the side (which go down too far as well) don't mention Drake and Ed Sheeran's other number ones that decade or the year which they became number one, does anyone know what can be done to make this article better?--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:27, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Please help - I have stuffed up rather badly with adding a pic/file. It is in the "Lawyers" section of this page. Please help Srbernadette (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Eagleash (talk) 03:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

So sorry - I have corrected the title and date on a file uploaded 4 hours ago. It is in the same section - lawyers - on this page. I have changed to correct identity - i.e. William Middleton Esq., of Gledhow Grange Estate, near Leeds (1839-1887). But it is now all wrong. Sorry. Please help. (talk) 05:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect file name - "File:John W. Middleton Esq. of Fairfield, the estate in Far Headingley, near Leeds.jpg"

The correct name of the man is now on the article itself but the original incorrect name is on the file (see above). The file name should be "William Middleton, Esq., of Gledhow Grange Estate, near Leeds". NOT what it currently is named - i.e John Middleton...". What can I do to get it all correct? Please help. Thanks again. (talk) 06:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

If you wish to request renaming of a file, you can place the {{rename media}} template on the file description page. The request will later be completed by an administrator or file mover. eurodyne (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I have done what you said and a red-coloured "Template" with the correct file name is now seen half way down the page but the file name at the top of eth page is still incorrect (i.e. John W. Middleton....):,_the_estate_in_Far_Headingley,_near_Leeds.jpg

Please let me know if it is OK Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 07:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: I have reformatted your request at Wikimedia Commons. Be patient, and someone there will review it and probably rename the file for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I notice file is being claimed as 'own work'. Is that actually the case? See this Google search. Eagleash (talk) 08:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Reference error[edit]

Anyone good at spotting reference errors? I've created one (or maybe two) at Gypsy horse, and can't track it down. Thanks in advance, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: I think you are the latest victim of a long-standing bug in the software, phab:T22707. You can use <ref>...</ref> tags inside {{efn}} footnotes, but it all very fragile if you try to define the efn footnotes inside the {{notelist}}. At Gypsy horse the error seems to go away if you move the definition of note "a" up to where it is used. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)