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Proper names other than names of persons[edit]

The policy says to use reliable sources in determining the title of an article about a person. Shouldn't this approach apply to all proper nouns (a/k/a proper names)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finell (talkcontribs) 04:49, 4 April 2016

standard keyboard characters[edit]

This article suggests there may exist any single «standard keyboard characters». This is wrong as keyboard standards may be in number or in characters comparable to the number of nations or the number of languages.

Additionally, you cannot expect from the reader being in one country to know what are the characters available on your specific keyboard and you cannot expect him to imagine what standard keyboard characters can be.

For instance, Many US keyboards sold do not have the extra US-International characters or AltGr engraved on the keys, although € (AltGr+5) always is; nevertheless, the keys work as expected even if not marked. (QWERTY). This means that € is an acceptable character? Correct?

Or also, the United Kingdom and Ireland use a keyboard layout (...) very similar to that of the United States, but (...) includes £ and € signs, that is the currency of United Kingdom and Ireland.

So I suggest to replace standard keyboard characters by English keyboard characters which might be less vague, if we mean English keyboard characters or by any keyboard characters if we mean any keyboard characters.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.96.122 (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2016‎

WP:CONCISE issue[edit]

Hi everyone,

I have an issue with the following line on WP:CONCISE.

The goal of conciseness is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the subject area.

Wikipedia is written for a large audience; we're trying to write encyclopedic articles for the general reader. That we should keep article titles as concise as possible makes sense to me, and that by itself doesn't need any explanation. So why have "to identify the topic to a person familiar with the subject area" there? It also makes me wonder, how can a person "identify the topic" just by its title? For instance, I'm mostly concerned with editing video game-related articles; there are big budget video games like the Assassin's Creed series, the Call of Duty series or classics like Super Mario Bros., but there are also hundreds of small-time indie games, with titles like I Am Bread, AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! – A Reckless Disregard for Gravity or The Binding of Isaac; even if someone is familiar with the subject area of video games, they might not've heard of these types of games. So how can we assume the general reader would? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:01, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, without the "to identify the topic..." language the statement would leave readers wondering "'sufficient information' to what?" The very idea of conciseness is to communicate maximum information in minimum space, not just solely to use as little space is possible. So there's some kind of balancing act. I don't know if you'll find this example helpful, and I know USPLACE is kind of a bugbear, but to me the benefit of added information is apparent if you compared the article title "Bothell" with "Bothell, Washington" – the latter title is longer, but it also allows readers to identify just by looking at the title that the article is about a town in a particular US state. An article title "Bothell" by itself is not a very helpful one.
If you're asking, why do we care if it's 'enough information to identify the topic to someone familiar with the topic area', as distinct from 'enough information to identify the topic to the general public,' that's a little beyond my field of expertise, but using the same "Bothell, Washington" example, there is a real benefit for American readers to including the ", Washington" notwithstanding the fact that non-american wikipedians might not understand the state reference or find the additional context to be helpful. AgnosticAphid talk 18:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I guess "identify the topic to a person familiar with the subject area" is mainly so that you don't have to overly worry, in the title, of explaining concepts that a person interested in the subject probably already knows or ought to be able to get up to speed to study the subject. I think it's just an out so we don't have people making article titles "Bothell, Washington, United States" since if you're interested in an obscure town in Washington State you probably already know that Washington State is in the United States. Herostratus (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Move discussion for New York[edit]

A discussion is underway about moving New York to New York (state) and placing either the city, the dab page or a broad-concept article at the "New York" base name. Please contribute at Talk:New York/July 2016 move request. Note that the move was first approved on June 18 then overturned on July 7 and relisted as a structured debate to gather wider input. Interested editors might want to read those prior discussions to get a feel for the arguments. (Be sure to have your cup of tea handy!) — JFG talk 23:11, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2016[edit]

Sai Noom Khay (talk) 07:00, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

  • NOT DONE - No edit was proposed. Blueboar (talk) 10:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)