Wikipedia talk:Article size
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Are large articles really such a technical problem for smartphones these days? Apart from the very largest, they seem to render ok on my phone. Certainly a good few hundred KB seems fine. Greenshed (talk) 04:45, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
- For most new smartphones sold in the US, Europe, and other very developed countries/regions, the size is not a major problem. However, keep in mind that Wikipedia is also accessed on smartphones that may be a few years old (insufficient RAM) and, more importantly, smartphones in many poorer/developing countries may have more trouble accessing longer Wikipedia pages. English Wikipedia is accessed by people in many poorer countries where English is either a common first or second language. I'm not saying that quality smartphones aren't sold in poorer countries, just that most manufacturers make cheap models to sell there that may be common. That said, I think that connection speed over mobile data networks is a much bigger issue on smartphones than technical limitations of the smartphone itself. Even in the U.S., mobile phone service providers limit the amount of data that can be accessed (each billing cycle) at higher speed and then throttle down the speed after the limit is reached to very slow speeds. AHeneen (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
So an article has been tagged as too large. What steps can be taken to remove the tag if the user community thinks the article is not too large?
I came to the Wikipedia project page for Article size because a list I work in (List of 2016 albums) has been tagged as being too large. I do admit that the page is approximately the 30th largest article in Wikipedia, but as it is an annual list, it is probably difficult to split it without confusion, and the article is a quarter the size of the technical size limit. I will take the issue to the article's size to the talk page for the article, and if there is a consensus, I will remove the "too large" tag. If there is consensus for splitting the article, then we the users can do that. However, I think that this project page should have a paragraph for resolution of when to remove a tag when not altering an article. I find this project page too vague, too definitive of size and not definitive enough on action. Mburrell (talk) 05:33, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- See WP:SALAT:
- "The potential for creating lists is infinite. The number of possible lists is limited only by our collective imagination. To keep the system of lists useful, we must limit the size and topic of lists."
- "Lists that are too general or too broad in scope have little value, unless they are split into sections. For example, a list of brand names would be far too long to be of value. If you have an interest in listing brand names, try to limit the scope in some way (by product category, by country, by date, etc.). This is best done by sectioning the general page under categories. When entries in a category have grown enough to warrant a fresh list-article, they can be moved out to a new page, and be replaced by a See [[new list]] link. When all categories become links to lists, the page becomes a list repository or 'List of lists'and the entries can be displayed as a bulleted list. For an example, see Lists of people, which is made up of specific categorical lists."
- I would say that the longest months (if not all, see WP:LISTOFLISTS) be split out into new articles. AHeneen (talk) 10:42, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
- What to do with the list is a decision to be made by the users of the list. I apologize for being vague. The question I had, or the request I was making, was what mechanism should be in place to support the removal of the tag if the article users choose not to split up the list? Would a general vote by the users of the articles who choose to participate in the vote be sufficient? If the tag is left on the article for a month and no-one steps up to split up the article, is it okay to remove the tag? Applying the Too Long tag appears to be an opinion by one user. Can another user apply their opinion and remove the tag?
- What I hoped would happen is that someone who is into the developing rules and definition articles such as the Too Long article would expand on the article to provide a mechanism to enforce the ruling or to allow the tag to be removed. Mburrell (talk) 05:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
- If a consensus discussion in article talk concludes without a consensus to split, then just remove the tag. There is no "waiting period" after consensus is clear. RfCs run for a month (max), so if the discussion has been open for a month+ that is surely long enough to determine whether consensus has been reached, and if so, for what. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ< 08:20, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Subtopic of too long, excessive header section
Any recommendations for the case of the before-TOC header becoming too large? 4 paragraphs seems a bit big, and 6 (even short!) paragraphs seems right out. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:43, 2 March 2018 (UTC)