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The Scholarly Barnstar?[edit]

How would you feel about a "Scholarly Barnstar", awarded in recognition of contributions based on high-quality academic sources, perhaps with a star wearing a graduation cap? There's a small but special class of editors who make the effort to read the best scholarly publications on the subject they're working on. I'd like to have a barnstar to show my appreciation. Eperoton (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Eperoton: This sounds like a good idea, and I can't find a barnstar at Wikipedia:Barnstars that matches this description, so let's make this one!
By the way, what color would you like the barnstar to be? I've found a couple of good graduation cap pictures (this one and this one), which I can quickly place on whatever color barnstar you want (provided that the barnstar exists in the color that you want. If it doesn't, that will be significantly more difficult).
Again, this sounds like a great idea! I hope that this idea goes through.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: Given my lack of literacy in graphical design, I will defer to your aesthetic judgement on colors and shapes. Thanks! Eperoton (talk) 22:04, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton: How does this look? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:26, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Just noting: There is a bit of blue overlayed on the bottom corner of the cap. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 00:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I think the overall design looks great. Eperoton (talk) 00:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz and Eperoton: Thanks for the responses! I will try to remove the blue from the cap. Thanks again! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz and Eperoton: I just discovered that removing the blue part will be much more difficult that it seemed (at least for me), due to the complex texture on the graduation cap. For this reason, I would rather not remove it, due to the fact that I would probably mess up the texture in doing so.
I also noticed that the original hat had a blue corner as well. For this reason, I would ask the original creator of the hat to help with this, but exactly who created the hat is somewhat confusing. The likeliest persion is commons:User:Garrett, who is apparently inactive. If someone else can help me remove the blue corner, I would greatly appreciate that!
Thanks again to everyone here!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Personally, I would be perfectly happy to use the image as is. Thanks for your work, Noah Kastin! Eperoton (talk) 03:52, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I also find it nice; I wonder if the hat is visible enough at the typical barnstar banner size though? Test:
Scholarly Barnstar.png Test

Test
I think so. It looks great, —PaleoNeonate - 04:07, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton and PaleoNeonate: Thanks for the support! RileyBugz, what do you think? Thanks again, everyone! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I see. Looks pretty good, but the cap could be bigger. Thanks! RileyBugz会話投稿記録 14:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz: About how much larger do you want the cap to be? I would be happy to make it as large as you want it, as long as doing so does not conflict with Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I want it to be large enough to cover... say... two or so of the inner points on the star (where the lines connect). RileyBugz会話投稿記録 20:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz and Eperoton: I have now uploaded a new version of the barnstar with a larger graduation cap. Please let me know what you think of the new version (reflected in the above test). Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@RileyBugz, Eperoton, and PaleoNeonate: I just found another version of the cap with the blue corner turned gray. This version is located at File:Sciences humaines.svg. Please let me know if this cap is preferable to the current cap; if so, I will replace the current one with this new one. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Not only is this cap better without the blue, but it's also in svg, meaning that you should be able to scale it the size you want without the aliasing artifacts which are unfortunately visible in the last test (clearly visible in full size). —PaleoNeonate - 20:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin, RileyBugz, and PaleoNeonate: I'm a bit lost in the distinctions between great and perfect. Are there any further steps we need to take before adding it to the list? Eperoton (talk) 13:38, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton: I don't think that there are any further steps that we need to take before adding the barnstar to the list, as long as everyone agrees that the barnstar should exist. We can continue to work on the barnstar art after the barnstar is added to the list, so adding it now shouldn't be a problem with regard to the art. @RileyBugz and PaleoNeonate: Do you think that the barnstar should exist? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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  • Support — I just surveyed the existing barnstars to look for any redundancy. Here are similar ones:
    1. {{Kevin_Gorman_Education_Program_Barnstar}} — Also has a graduation hat, but has brown barnstar color and is unrelated to sourcing.
    2. {{The_Citation_Barnstar}} — Although it does not specifically mention scholarly sources, it's generic and to award those who add sources where they were missing.
    3. {{The_BLP_Barnstar}} — Mentions sourcing but in relation to BLP which have special requirements.
    4. {{Diligent_Librarian_Barnstar}} — More about finding and helping to find sources on request.
    5. {{Schools_Barnstar}} — More about writing and improving school-related articles.
    So the closest in meaning is #2 and the closest graphically is #1. My personal impression is that this barnstar is still distinct enough to exist. —PaleoNeonate - 22:04, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin and PaleoNeonate: Ok, it sounds like there are no objections. I can try to create the template and add it to the list, or else I'm happy to leave that to someone else. Eperoton (talk) 00:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@Eperoton: I would be happy to try to create a template for the Scholarly Barnstar. By the way, do you want it to be called Template:Scholarly Barnstar or Template:The Scholarly Barnstar? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: I appreciate it. It looks like the official names always start with "The", regardless of what the template is called. I have no preference on this, so please take your pick. Eperoton (talk) 02:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Eperoton, PaleoNeonate, and RileyBugz: I have now created the Scholarly Barnstar template (located at Template:Scholarly Barnstar). I have also added the Scholarly Barnstar to the list of general barnstars at Wikipedia:Barnstars (in this edit). Please let me know if any improvements on this barnstar or anything relating to it need to be made. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks, everyone! Eperoton (talk) 04:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

@Eperoton, RileyBugz, and PaleoNeonate: I just swapped out the graduation cap icon on the Scholarly Barnstar image from File:Graduation cap.png (the one with the blue corner) to File:Sciences humaines.svg (the one without the blue corner), as requested earlier in this discussion. I hope that this helps! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice, the zooming/scaling artifacts also disappeared. The template also seems fine to me. —PaleoNeonate - 15:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Content Reversion: 7/18/17 UTC[edit]

Hi, Hellknowz! Thank you for your great contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to explain why I performed this edit, which you reverted. I performed the first edit because, on a previous occasion, I had noticed that the Bravery Barnstar 2.0 (which is now the Bravery Barnstar 1.0) had a white background, making it not comply with Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines. For this reason, I moved it to the Barnstar 1.0 column. Also, since the only problem that I noticed with it was that the background was white and not transparent, I made one with a transparent background and added it (in the edit that you reverted). More information on my reasoning can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Current Projects (the text of which is also displayed at WP:WPWPA).

I hope that this explanation is useful. If there is something more to the matter which I haven't seen, please let me know.

Thanks!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

I see the original discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards/Archive 23#Bravery Barnstar to add the barnstar. I don't see where it was agreed to place it as 2.0 barnstar. It doesn't fit the 2.0 design, but it can be a regular one. We can use the one you added without the unnecessary white background as the regular one. But it's not a 2.0 design because it is not done in vector. However, your version needs to be fixed before it can be used, as you have not removed the background: comparison with contrasted background. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Hellknowz: Good point about the white spiky edging on the barnstar (if that's what you were pointing me to); that does definitely need to be removed. I will see what I can do about that. If you were trying to point me to something else, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Even if you clean the background, it's still not a 2.0 barnstar. It is not done in clean-style vector graphics, which is the whole point of those. If you clean the white background properly, it's an improvement to the original 1.0 one. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:39, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Hellknowz: Thanks for letting me know about the clean-style vector graphics rule!
I don't know how to create clean-style vector graphics; however, I could take a gold 2.0 barnstar and add a Celtic knot to it (such as this one), reproducing the same general effect. Would that work?
I will try to clean up the original barnstar, but it may take a while. Until I can do so, I will not replace the original 1.0 barnstar.
If you have any answers to my questions, please let me know.
Thanks!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 20:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
It's never perfect, because the original image was a compressed jpeg that was on a white background (with antialiasing and compression artifacts making the border difficult to be clearly distinguished and cut). I uploaded a new attempt of File:Bravery_Barnstar.png. I guess that this still would only suit for v1.0 though... Comments/revert welcome, —PaleoNeonate - 20:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: I think that your new version of the Bravery Barnstar is amazing! I really like how you managed to completely remove the white border.
I think that this version should be the new Bravery Barnstar 1.0. What do you think, Hellknowz?
Once again, great barnstar!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

The Real Life Barnstar[edit]

How would you guys feel about having a "Real Life Barnstar", awarded in recognition to contributions made for the benefit of Wikipedia, in real world ? I have created a template at Template:Real Life Barnstar. P.S. this page is not in my watchlist therefore please ping. --Saqib (talk) 18:14, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@Saqib: We already have that—see Template:The Real-Life Barnstar and its entry here. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 18:29, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

New barnstar[edit]

POTUSbarnstar.png

A lot of work has been done over the past several months by many editors to expand and improve articles on the Presidents of the United States and their presidencies. I've created (and uploaded to Wikimedia commons) a barnstar—the POTUSbarnstar—to recognize those making significant contributions to these articles, and wanted to share it with you, and ask that it be added to the barnstar list. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I noticed that Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States#Barnstar exists which may possibly be redundant. Interestingly that one is not listed at Wikipedia:Barnstars/Barnstar_of_National_Merit. I like the look of your barnstar, although at its 100px size (commonly used in barnstars) the eagle details are not visible. The eagle shape itself is still recognizable. I'll let others comment. —PaleoNeonate – 20:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
I could enlarge the disc a little. Drdpw (talk) 18:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Note: I now added the missing barnstar to Wikipedia:Barnstars/Barnstar_of_National_Merit. —PaleoNeonate – 21:03, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
If yours is related to presidents, it may be distinct (non redundant) from the general one mentioned above. —PaleoNeonate – 21:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, this barnstar is related specifically to presidents as described in the Wikiproject Presidents of the United States lead. Drdpw (talk) 22:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Looks okay for the WikiProject awards list. It does feel very narrow scoped though -- presidents for one country; may be expand to US politicians in general or something? The disc could be a bit bigger. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:03, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
@Hellknowz: by "the WikiProjet awards list" do you mean listing it at Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Presidents's page under an Awards subsection, or that there's another public list it could go on? Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 03:31, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
WP:WPPA and I guess wherever the project wants to. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I could go ahead and create the template and link it. I would like to first determine the names for the template as well as for the title. Suggested:
Aspect
POTUSbarnstar.png The U.S. Presidents Barnstar
Message
PaleoNeonate – 10:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Rescue and Recovery barnstars[edit]

I noticed that we both have the Rescue and Recovery barnstars. My impression when reading their description is that they both are to award those who manage to improve articles when they are undergoing a deletion discussion. The Rescue one appears to be associated to the Article Rescue Squadron project, however. Input welcome on if those are really redundant or not. If they are and we decide to phase out one, we'd have to make sure that all existing uses have been substituted (they normally should be) and to not delete the image. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 23:11, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

We should not substitute existing usages, this isn't like an article image. Barnstar awards are subst:ed for a reason -- we don't retroactively change them, most are in archives and on user pages. The old image can stay, we just won't list it or put it in WP:PUA or something. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:34, 22 August 2017 (UTC)