Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards
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Tabletop games barnstar?
- Perhaps you should head over to The Board and Table Game WikiProject and see if they would like a Project Award. Achowat (talk) 18:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar with the procedure, but as one of the "oldest" members of the Gender gap task force, I'd like to throw my support behind the new barnstar. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:51, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Ellywa, I'm sorry that I didn't see this earlier. Thank you so much for creating it. Yes, definitely support. SarahSV (talk) 19:50, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Discussion about renaming a barnstar
- So, for those who are unlikely to click the link above, Kevin has, sadly, passed and there is some movement to rename the Wikipedia Ambassador Barnstar in his honor. For those of us who never ran into Kevin in his WikiCareer, could someone explain why this would be a fitting tribute? Achowat (talk) 07:18, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Proposal for a new Barnstar
The discussion above ended up with a consensus against renaming the existing barnstar, and instead, with the creation of a new barnstar, designed by Rhododendrites. It is called the Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar (and its documentation is at that link), and this is what it looks like:
|Kevin Gorman Education Program Barnstar|
I am opening a discussion here, hopefully to get consensus to add it to the Barnstar page (probably as a Wikipedia-space barnstar). The discussion at Kevin's talk page has yielded a strong consensus in favor of this barnstar. Editors unfamiliar with Kevin's work at Wikipedia, and his connections to the Education Program, can get a lot of information at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2016-08-04/Obituary. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
- Support the listing of this barnstar on the appropriate page. Carcharoth (talk) 07:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
- Support - Kevin came to Wikipedia through the education program and was an on-wiki and off-wiki proponent of Wikipedia in education. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:51, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
- Support - Get it done. Achowat (talk) 19:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Party_Barnstar.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Oxford (talk • contribs) 13:59, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm presenting to the attention of the Editors the Party Barnstar - the star of joy and gratitude to the Wikipedians, who worked hard as a team and achieved a good result. The Party Barnstar may be awarded to the editors co-workers to mark successful completion of the project, article, etc.Chris Oxford (talk) 14:20, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello Achowat, Thank you for your reply and question. This Barnstar differs from the Original one due to the absence of the celebrative decorations on the surface of the Original Barnstar. Usually Original Barnstar is used as a base for creation of newly designed Barnstar, where new design is supported by the new idea on how to award hard working Wikipedians. You can have a look on the list of the already approved Barnstars and you will see, that all of them contain different images superimposed on the image of the Original Barnstar. In many cases the author of new Barnstar also changes the colour of the Original Barnstar to a chosen one, as I did in Party Barnstar to stress the celebrative and joyable motif of this Star, as this Star is devoted to award the successul completion of the projects, achieved by the Wikipedians, who work as a team. All the best. Chris Oxford.Chris Oxford (talk) 09:17, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
- I'm aware of the graphic differences; I'm asking about the award criteria. Under what circumstances would this new barnstar be awarded where The Original Barnstar wouldn't work just as well? Essentially, what I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to have a Brand New Award that simply replicates a much older, more established award. Achowat (talk) 08:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello again, Achowat, glad to hear from you, and I should admit, that you went ahead of me: just minutes ago I wanted to add to my explanation what you are asking about in your second reply. So, how different is the idea of the Party Barnstar to the idea of the Original Barnstar: it is written, that the Original Barnstar is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know, that their hard work is seen and appreciated. The Party Barnstar is much more the invitation to celebrate the finalizing of the important project by the Wikipedians, who had been participating in this project themselves on the level of large or small magnitude. So, it means, that as opposed to the idea of Original Barnstar, in case of Party Barnstar, we are talking about the situation where a group of Wikipedians participated themselves in this work and do not need to let them know by someone, that the work was hard - they know it themselves, and also they know, that their work was successful, that is what they would like to celebrate. The Party Barnstar is much more an invitation to celebrate success by Wikipedians, who already know, that their work was a success. Of course it doesn't mean, that somebody, who has seen the process of work from the side, cannot send this celebrative Star as an appreciation. So it will be like to compare two things: the official award (Original Barnstar) and an invitation to celebrate successfully completed work to all participants by one of them or by other Wikipedians, who are seeing this work as a long hard way with the fruitful result, which deserves to be celebrated with joy. To be completely precise, I would like to say, that the Original Barnstar is more designed to appreciate hard work of the Editors during a long period of time, what included many successful contributions - projects, articles, etc., and the Party Barnstar is designed to celebrate a single successful important event, so in some cases both Stars can be given to some Wikipedians in parallel. I will be happy to hear from you and to continue our discussion; just to let you know - I will be away for the next 10-12 days from now and then will be ready to continue. All the best. Chris Oxford.Chris Oxford (talk) 11:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not totally on board with a barnstar that awards 'completion' after all Wikipedia can never be finished. I think putting a stamp on something, even as small as a Project, adds a mark of 'this is done' that would be, largely, unhelpful to the Encyclopedia as a whole. Achowat (talk) 19:29, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, Achowat, Thank you for your reply. I apologize for delay in responding. I respect your point of view and will familiarise you with the arguments, supporting my own one, in a detailed way; just need some time to complete several businesses, and then to put the words into writing, to make all points in the discussed subject totally clear. Will send my detailed reply as soon as possible. All the best. Regards, Chris Oxford.Chris Oxford (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
I would like to attract your attention to several points in your reply, which are clearly showing, that some misunderstanding has occurred.
First of all, I have never offered the Party Barnstar as the demand to Wikipedians to stop work on the project / article, even on successfully completed AT THE TIME.
All Barnstars are given not for the job, which the Editors just are imagining and planning to do, but for the completed part of the job, which they can continue, if they are willing to do so. From your statement: "I'm not totally on board with a barnstar that awards 'completion' after all Wikipedia can never be finished.'" , - it is possible to make only one conclusion: Barnstars (which should be given for accomplishment, achievement, what can’t be reached without completion of a certain part of the work, as without completion it is impossible to achieve accomplishment) can’t award completion of any part of work, as the Wikipedia paramount concern is to keep work in progress and it can’t accept completion of any kind, and even if the one of the Editors or group of them, achieved their goals and completed their part of job, this work has no right to be awarded, because it is completed, but it can’t be completed because the rule is saying, that work can newer be completed fully, to encourage other Editors to add their valuable contributions, but when they will do and will complete their part of job, they also can’t be awarded due the same reason, what finally means that there is no place here for such things as Barnstars, as every next Editor inevitably will complete his/her part of contribution to the collective job and, according to your statement, will automatically loose the right to be awarded by any kind of Barnstar during their life time and later, as "after all Wikipedia can never be finished." My point is: All Barnstars have been given for the completed by Editors part of the job, but I never asked Editors, who completed successfully a certain part of their work and who have been awarded for that PART OF JOB by any of Barnstars, to stop working on Wikipedia projects. And the Party Barnstar definitely wasn’t designed to "adds a mark of 'this is done' " in the meaning, that after award the work should be stopped once and forever: I thought, that it is unnecessary to announce the well known law of Wikipedia — 'Wikipedia is a work in progress', and to add, that Editors, who received the Party Barnstar are welcome to continue their work on this project/article later, when they will be in possession of more valuable materials; I thought, that it goes without saying and does not need to be mentioned continuously, when dealing with Wikipedians, like in case, when you are talking to Editors about our planet Earth, there is no need to remind them constantly that It is round.
Work of the Editors is totally voluntarily one and, sure - you know from your own experience - not always a very easy one, so the bright approach (politeness, sense of humour) to this job is creating a good mood, what is always helpful for any kind of work, including the most serious and responsible ones, and The Party Barnstar is the one of nice sparkles, which I intended to add to many already existing ones in Wikipedia, which all together are giving more of liveliness and vivacity to the Wiki space, because the more environment of Wikipedia will be friendly, the more enjoyable Editors’ voluntary job will be, which in turn, will be largely helpful to the Wikipedia "as a whole."
And what about the situation, when the nominated article have met the criteria for featured articles? This is totally completed action, and there is something here for sure, what should be celebrated by all participants. The Party Barnstar was intended for such occasions as well; but just several days ago I had spotted The Teamwork Barnstar, which escaped my field of vision from the beginning, and it convinced me that these two Barnstars are designed to perform pretty much similar work. It means that in your remark: "New Award (Party Barnstar) that simply replicates a much older, more established award Original Barnstar.", - it should be mentioned The Teamwork Barnstar, not The Original Barnstar. I do not think, that The Teamwork Barnstar, as well as The Party Barnstar, "replicate" The Original Barnstar, but The Party Barnstar have enough similarity with The Teamwork Barnstar to leave the mission, intended for The Party Barnstar, for The Teamwork Barnstar only. And probably, you will see your statement: "something, even as small as a Project", as a subject to review, because a project, in many cases, can be a business of a lifetime of its author, and then to be developed for many years by the followers of the project (scientific, humanitarian, environmental) founder. Wikipedia itself is a Project, contains 2000 different significant projects, and it is not small. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject
We need a notability guideline about awards
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Notability_of_military_medals_and_awards. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:55, 1 September 2016 (UTC)