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Ambiguous phrasing[edit]

The block template on offender IP's talk page reads:

If you have a registered Wikipedia username, you may log in and continue to edit

This can be easily read as an invitation to block evasion. For newcomers this may be unintentional. And I believe this is what happened in the case of (talk · contribs · WHOIS) -> Js82 (talk · contribs).
IMO it should be phrased as follows: If you have a registered Wikipedia username ad you believe that the offending edits made from IP address <xxxxxx> are not yours, you may log in and continue to edit. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
It appears in this particular case that the blocking admin added that themselves for whatever reason, that is not the standard language of {{uw-ewblock}}, the template used there. I'm not sure why they chose to do that but that's neither here nor there so far as the actual blocking policy is concerned as it says no such thing. Normally, blocks are understood to be on the person behind the edits regardless of what alternate identities they may have access to. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:50, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
It's from Twinkle. I just had this happen. I'll post to the Twinkle talk page. --NeilN talk to me 14:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
The notice at User talk: is {{subst:uw-ewblock}} and that at User talk: is {{subst:uw-bioblock}} neither of which is specific to Twinkle; both are listed at WP:UWT#Blocks and also at WP:BLOCKT. Most messages beginning "uw-" are discussed at WT:UW. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: IPs get an extra "If you have a registered Wikipedia username, you may log in and continue to edit" sentence? Is that documented anywhere? --NeilN talk to me 16:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it's the |anon=yes parameter on both. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:40, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Conversation continued here: Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace#Block_messages_for_anon_editors --NeilN talk to me 16:49, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Question About Hard and Soft Blocks[edit]

There is a discussion at WP:ANI about an IP range block by CheckUser. Am I correct, first, that a range block by CheckUser is imposed when CheckUser determines that the range is that from which a blocked or banned user had been editing, and that the blocked or banned user is now editing logged out? Am I correct, second, that such a block is almost always a soft block with account creation disabled, so that it does not block registered users? (In the case in point, it seems that the affected unregistered editor then went to a different coffee shop and created an account, and should now be able to edit.) Am I correct that a CheckUser range block is almost always a soft block? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I would say you are right, though I don't like the ambiguous term soft block. With schools for example we tell them to go home and create an account. With other ranges we tell them to go wherever they can to get an account to continue editing. Other ranges we just tell them they're closed to unregistered editing. This all assumes they are not the intended recipient of the block, because they're not abusing Wikipedia. If there's still abuse we block the accounts, with increasing administrative interest. After that we don't afraid of hard blocking some ranges where appropriate. Usually we just block the accounts, and coffee shops, in batches sometimes. A block identified only as a checkuser block doesn't really assume any responsibility on the person receiving it, but usually the recipient and others will know through other means that they are blocked. The main point here, such users are usually identified by the extent of their abuse. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Evidence tampering[edit]

SPI pages have a section for evidence to be adduced by those alleged to be sockpuppets. It should be obvious that evidence submitted prior to the determination of the case is validly posted, and not to be deleted on the ground of block evasion. However, some editors have been doing just that. Should the blocking policy be amended to make it clear that this is not allowed? (talk) 10:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

No it should not. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Privacy VPN blocks[edit]

I noticed I can't edit when I have PIA VPN running, even when logged in. It seems somewhat counterproductive to turn on SSL globally in order to enhance privacy, and then to block the use of privacy VPNs even for logged in users. Is this an exceptional instance, or do we have an actual policy somewhere to block privacy VPNs even for logged in users? Gigs (talk) 01:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)