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Switching Audio File Formats

I have started a thread at the village pump regarding a proposed shift to MP3 or another more standard file format for audio on wikipedia. I hope all of you who read this will provide your input. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cool3 (talkcontribs) 02:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

I have replied to your comment on the village pump. --Gmaxwell 06:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Another format

I dont want a change in the format, I understand why ogg is used against mp3. Just asking if there any other format that I can use since idk why but WavePad is having problems to save my file.--ometzit<col> 04:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


How can I post powerpoint presentations to an enterprise Wiki?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 00:00, 21 June 2007

Keyhole Markup Language

Being able to upload and then link to Keyhole Markup Language files could help geography related articles by adding interactivity. Is there any security reason why this is not allowed? Badgettrg 13:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


Is this the place where I can request help with finding and uploading a music sample for an article? I've never done this before so I don't know how to go about doing it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

If you have a specific question, you can ask it either here or at Wikipedia:Help desk. -- Pepve 13:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Crap, I meant to come back here. I received help from Raul, and everything worked out.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Java Error

java.lang.NullPointerException at Source) at Source) at sun.plugin.AppletViewer.initEnvironment(Unknown Source)

This is message of java error when i try listen music from wiki. WIN XP Prof. java ver. 1.6.0_03_b5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

What about Windows Media?

I recently noticed that nobody discussed the notion of uploading Windows Media files. As far as I know, WM is nowhere near as patented as MPEG/MP3 and almost as popular, even outside of Windows. Unless someone has a real problem with it (not being open source doesn't count, neither does opinion on the developer), it could be offered as an alternative to OGG. -- (talk) 20:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

First a note: it seems to me that the exclusive use of OGG is a solid issue on Wikipedia, changing it would need a broad discussion on a higher platform. Now I don't want to keep you from trying that, but here are some reasons to keep things the way they are: Jimbo's words (noted as a decision here: Wikipedia:Media#Audio), one format is clearer to users than two formats, WM isn't free (the Wikipedia kind of free), and probably more (but that doesn't come to mind). -- Pepve (talk) 21:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Then don't drop OGG, even though Cortado is a slow-loading and buggy browser plugin. I'm just saying that strict adherence to open source can be detrimental. It's just that there is no future for open source. OGG is just plain obscure and barely notable. Would adding WM without dropping OGG work, or would WM overshadow OGG. I could accept exclusive use of OGG if Cortado was a better player.
It's not the format, but the player that is the problem. -- (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I get that you don't like OGG. Wikipedia doesn't care. And if you think the player is bad, come up with a better solution, present it and convince people. -- Pepve (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Here are some solutions
  1. Add support for WM while continuing support for OGG. WM codecs are royalty-free, if I remember correctly.
  2. Do not add WM support, but instead fix Cortado, or contact the developers. Cortado needs fixing to be useful.
  3. Anything I have not considered.
Also, consider not forcing a single audio or video format on users. If support for open source is more important than support for users, then consider using Explorer Destroyer. -- (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd say only option 2 is viable. What are you waiting for? -- Pepve 17:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
The source code. Or a bug report forum. I have not been able to find either. Maybe I have not looked hard enough. I will post later.
Wikimedia Commons policies can be confusing. Allowing multiple image file formats (most of which are heavily patented) but only one media format does not seem too logical. Is it easy to argue in favour of JPEG but not MPEG (both of which are considerably patented)?
Besides, I am the only one to even think of Windows Media. I just want other users to think about these and other file formats, namely AAC, MOV, and FLV (maybe not AAC) -- (talk) 18:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I may know a thing or two about Java programming, but I believe fixing Cortado may be beyond my ability. -- (talk) 19:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, Cortado has a website where the source can be downloaded. But either way, technical problems should probably be taken up with the Wikipedia developers, and policy issues should be discussed at a larger platform. Not here, because we're the only one here. -- Pepve (talk) 00:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Theora conversion

I made an animation of the orbits of some celestial objects that I would like to upload to Wikipedia. Is there an application for Macintosh (PPC) that can convert QuickTime files or animated GIFs or series of still pictures frames into OGG Theora video files? The ffmpeg2theora commandline program does not recognize my QuickTime movie. Jecowa (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I think it's working now. Since the program is called "ffmpeg2theora," I resaved the animation as a QuickTime movie with the MPEG-4 codec. Then I tried converting the new QuickTime movie file in ffmpeg2theora, and now it seems to be working. Jecowa (talk) 06:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

ffmpeg2theora is adding 12 extra pixels vertically to the animation. The height is supposed to be 180 not 192. What's up with this? Jecowa (talk) 06:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

ffmpeg2theora loop

How do you loop video files in ffmpeg2theora? Every time I attempt to open the man file for ffmpeg2theora, the terminal just spits out jiberish and error messages. Jecowa (talk) 06:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Limit on media button width

I have my thumbnails set to default at 300px, and because MediaWiki reads the OGG files as images, all the media buttons are 300px when I'm logged in. I was wondering if there is a way to limit the width, or just set a standard width for all users. –Dream out loud (talk) 02:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

List of filenames is out of date

  • Current list is: "jpg, jpeg, png, gif, svg, and ogg"
  • Upload screen list is: "png, gif, jpg, jpeg, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, svg, djvu."

Surely this document should be updated? Carcharoth (talk) 19:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

For reference: png, gif, jpg/jpeg, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, svg, djvu. Carcharoth (talk) 13:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Failing any response, I've updated the front page. Carcharoth (talk) 07:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Offering multiple video bit-rates

I've added a new section discussing ways to offer multiple bit-rates so that the reader can select one most appropriate for their network bandwidth. However I definitely am not claiming to have all the answers. (I'm signing every major point since this posting could become highly fragmented with comments.) DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Clearly explaining the options

  • How to express the width and height of different bit-rates?

Currently I'm just going off the original video's width and height, at one-quarter, one-half, three-quarters, and full size resolution. I'm not sure it's clear enough to just call this the "video size". Perhaps it should be referred to as the "frame size"? DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really sure if a "75%" frame size is really needed. Perhaps just 25%, 50%, and 100% is acceptable since it's sort of a "log scale" of sizes. DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Target playback bit-rates

  • If a video is offered at different bit-rates, what should those target bit-rates be?

I would like to see video offered across a wide-ranging set of speeds, from 53k modem users, to the basic 256 kilobit "broadband" user, up to about 512 kilobit. The actual video bit-rate cannot be exactly this amount since it is variable throughout playback, and trying to hit the target exactly may result in going over the limit. DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

So it would seem that that the target bit-rates should be approximately:

  • 40 kilobit for dialup users
  • 200 kilobit for 256k users
  • 450 kilobit for 512k users DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

The first one here appears to be impossible to achieve with ffmpeg2theora (Windows version) because it will not allow me to set the audio bit-rate to less than 32 kilobit, but allows the video rate to be all the way down to 1 kilobit. This is Just Stupid and I do not know if the limitation is technical or just because someone couldn't imagine anyone ever desiring an audio rate less than 32 kbit. DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Audio at 32 kbit with ffmpeg2theora sounds so incredibly good, and in stereo even, that I think it would likely still sound fine at 16 kbit or even 8 kbit. All these washing machine videos use 32 kbit audio. I am going to try contacting the ffmpeg2theora authors to see why audio cannot be set lower. DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Not making a mess

Generally the wikitable showing the playback options should be of a compact size so that it does not consume excessive screen real estate in an article, but it should also be readily obvious to the reader what the playback options are. DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps text isn't so useful here? The wikitable could also be created using small uniformly styled icons for each video. DMahalko (talk) 11:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Ogg videos should use "ogv" extension instead of "ogg"

Xiph (the foundation developing Ogg codecs) has deprecated the use of ".ogg" for videos and recommends ".ogv", see MIME Types and File Extensions on the Xiph Wiki. This has also been ratified in an RFC.

So, all the newer videos on Commons should use the "ogv" extension. If no one objects, I will adjust this page (and others) and replace "ogg" with "ogv". — Robin Stocker (talk) 15:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup Image History Help

Would somebody with admin rights please help me clean up the older versions for the following images?

w:Image:Beatles Blackbird.jpg
w:Image:Martha My Dear.jpg
w:Image:Let It Be.jpg

What I want is to delete older versions of the images pointed out above , leaving only the current one standing. Is this possible? Administrators have an option visible for each image in the history of the uploads, that allows them to delete older versions in the history record, that appears at the end of the page, containing the current image. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fefogomez (talkcontribs) 18:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Audio player inline

Is it possible to use an audio player inline in the text? And if not: why not? It would be very useful for pronunciation links in the first line. --::Slomox:: >< 21:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

maximum file size

"The maximum size of an uploaded file is 20 megabytes" <-- Does this need to be updated? --JWSurf (talk) 14:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it does. I've just done that. Graham87 07:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

MP3s. Again.

Decided to post this at the WP:Village pump. Come and help me bitch about the Ogg format. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 13:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


Now that Firefox 3.5 supports both Ogg Vorbis and Ogg Theora natively, I'm going to add it to the list of audio and video "players". - Jredmond (talk) 19:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


About this edit: Do unqualified statements like “X is better than Y” belong on Wikipedia-namespace how-to guides? —Frungi (talk) 02:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If there are no objections, I’ll delete the statements in question. —Frungi (talk) 18:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
The statement is accurate, which is why WP uses OGG. However, this edit shows the elimination of a now-incorrect usage of the WP:FACT shortcut, which is appropriate. At most, IMO, all that needs to be done is to add a source citation. David Spector 20:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)