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Filter 716[edit]

Further to Wikipedia:Edit_filter/False_positives/Reports/Archive_42#, filter Filter 716 should stop this sort of situation arising. Any comments? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:24, 2 August 2015 (UTC).

Interesting. I'm curious to see how many hits 716 gets. Sam Walton (talk) 23:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
I would have thought a tiny number. It's one reason I'm cautious about it. However I really don't like that a filter stopped a good faith vandal revert. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:25, 3 August 2015 (UTC).
A surprising 8 in 4 days. I have set it to disallow. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:43, 6 August 2015 (UTC).
Are you trying to target only the addition of the GA/FA tags? You may want to define an edit_delta, then. I'm guessing with this hit the user copied/pasted an existing article as a "template" for the one they were trying to create, unknowingly also copying the GA template. MusikAnimal talk 16:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
I've moved this back to log-only as we're getting false positives. With this edit the user was trying to undo vandalism but was unable to. And here a user made what appears to be an innocent test edit and tried to undo their mistake but couldn't. I've also set the edit_delta to less than 100, as many of these are not users tagging article as FA/GA, but rather copying and pasting another article that happened to be a FA/GA. This is presumably not what this filter is for, and besides such copy and paste moves are either caught by other filters or quickly reverted as obvious test/vandalism. In my opinion this filter should not disallow unless it can be ensured to catch what we truly want, and if it is currently doing that we should come up with a more fitting name. Either way, please keep a close eye on filters that disallow... MusikAnimal talk 13:18, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
This edit should have been stopped, maybe I need to include that in this filter.
The motivating edit was someone cut-and-pasting a good article over an exisitng article, and a new user was unable to revert, because Filter 365 stopped them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC).

Edit filter guideline draft[edit]

Hi all. Newyorkbrad has started a draft for creating a guideline or policy to place on WP:EF in response to ArbCom's encouragement that a guideline or policy should be formed for edit filters' use. Please review Wikipedia:Edit Filter/Draft and alter/comment as you wish. I think the idea is to form a solid draft between the edit filter managers and interested community members before taking it to a proper RfC. Sam Walton (talk) 09:45, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Instruction creep. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:23, 10 August 2015 (UTC).
I'd like to set this up as a guideline, I agree that a strict policy for edit filters wouldn't be helpful, but a guideline would be useful to have. Sam Walton (talk) 12:53, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Pinging likely interested editors: @MusikAnimal, Od Mishehu, Dragons flight, Reaper Eternal, and Zzuuzz: Sam Walton (talk) 11:20, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Filters 613 and 623[edit]

Just a heads up that with the latest update to MediaWiki [1], these are no longer effective. The latter, originally intended for long-term abuse, might still be useful but we'd need someone to keep an eye on it to ensure it's targeting who it's supposed to, as the hit count is going to be considerably low. Pinging original author NawlinWiki MusikAnimal talk 20:22, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Filter 31 false positives[edit]

Special:AbuseFilter/31 There have been a couple of false positive reports recently about this filter, which is supposed to block ASCII art, blocking edits to math formulas. I don't know if this was maybe caused by recent edits, or the problem was always there. Examples: Special:AbuseLog/12875270, Special:AbuseLog/12876144. Someguy1221 (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Pinging Slakr, unsure if the recent change had anything do with this MusikAnimal talk 01:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I tested the prior version of the filter and found that it didn't match the math edits, so clearly the issue was created by the recent attempt to convert this to regex. I've reverted to the old version for now. The conversion to regex is still a good idea because the old approach uses a very large number of conditions, but obviously we need to figure out the bugs. Dragons flight (talk) 07:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this filter since the first report of its large condition count, and without saying too much, it seems that something along the lines of ^\s+ would be a useful test under which to group the matches for multi-line graphics, such as the original goatse. A lot of the conditions in this filter appear to be targeted at multi-line graphics and, looking at recent hits, these don't seem to be attempted much these days. A change like this would dramatically reduce the average condition count.  —SMALLJIM  09:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Yup, my bad. For some reason, the regex version matches on those math edits but not when testing when I stick it in preg_match() w/ u enabled (for example). I'm guessing this is an additional escaping level problem with the backslashes. In my defence, I did ensure they'd match the current matches (and ran the last-100 a few times), but apparently none of the math edits were in any of those runs. :P I'll look into this. Sorry for any annoyance. --slakrtalk / 15:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit filter noticeboard[edit]

As part of our efforts to improve the use of the edit filter, an edit filter noticeboard has been created. We hope that this will be a better venue for users to discuss and ask questions about edit filters, whilst also freeing up WT:EF for discussion of the corresponding project page. Sam Walton (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Help request[edit]

Hey all,

Can someone who knows how to use edit filters reply at User talk:Technophant#Requesting editing privileges for WP:AN and my userpage please? Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 07:56, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Revoking the user's autoconfirmed status[edit]

I've never seen this feature used before. Is there consensus against using it? MusikAnimal talk 19:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I think we would need a proper strategy. For example for certain egregious vandalism it would make sense to knock the account back to unconfirmed, so that future edits were more closely scrutinised. However most of those suitable-for-knock-back filters might not catch established accounts anyway, and we would want to work out which EFs should be included in the closer scrutiny. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC).