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Okay, maybe not downright rid of the filter,[edit]

But if it is triggered, it should at least specify what did. Snacker10 (talk) 03:59, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

It does. I thought it would have been pretty obvious you were blocked for cursing. You have to be around for a bit longer before the filter starts letting you curse on talk pages. Someguy1221 (talk) 04:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Private deleted filters[edit]

What's the point of that anyway? If the filter is deleted, it means it's not going to be used anymore - so why can't any sensitive conditions/notes be blanked and the filter made public? Why are there private filters anyways, except for testing purposes? (talk) 13:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi IP, we often make our filters private to help prevent the target of the filter from adapting and evading the conditions. When a filter is deleted, the previous versions of it are still available, so making these public isn't the best idea for similar reasons -- samtar talk or stalk 13:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Well, someone who is evading blocks or other sanctions would be blocked anyway, and when you're blocked you can't view the abuse filters regardless. (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Untrue. Anyone can view the public abuse filters, even logged out editors. Someguy1221 (talk) 20:44, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Aren't edit filters just supposed to stop repeated or commonly harmful edits or actions? Why would their be a filter targeting one editor - isn't that what blocking/banning is for? (talk) 12:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Advice for Turkish Wikipedia[edit]

I've had a request from the Turkish Wikipedia for some advice, they have an image vandal adding images of shit etc and are wondering if an edit filter stopping newbies adding images in their first 100 edits is the best way to handle this. I don't think they have enable the image filter yet. ϢereSpielChequers 16:49, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Where are these images being added primarily? A filter preventing new users (measured by unconfirmed/account age/edit count) adding images to the articlespace could be used to counter this. Then there's more interesting possibilities if they are primarily IP addresses from certain ranges etc etc -- samtar talk or stalk 16:56, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
They have tr:MediaWiki:Bad image list. Add liberally. IMO, it's about the best way to deal with this type of problem unless the images or pages have a common name (edit filter), or range blocks can be applied. Of course here, new users are always adding images legitimately so an edit filter which prevented newbies from adding images anywhere would not be appropriate. -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Guideline updates for deferred changes[edit]

As part of the deployment of deferred changes, we'll need to update this guideline. I suggest to add the following to the Basics of usage section between warn and tag levels:

  • The next lowest setting is to defer actively. In this case, the edit will be added to Special:PendingChanges for review and will not go live until reviewed.
  • The next lowest setting is to defer passively. In this case, the edit will be added to Special:PendingChanges for review but will sill go live immediately.

And to add a paragraph at the end of the Recommended uses section:

For edit filters targeting reviewable namespaces (currently only mainspace and project space), edit filters can be set to defer for review passively or actively. Per the RFC on the subject, edit filters should be set to defer passively before being set to defer actively. During the passive phase, the backlog should be watched carefully[1] and matches should be scrutinized for false positives. If the backlog grows excessively, it means deferring is not appropriate for the filter, or it should be modified to diminish catch rate. If there is a substantial number of false positives, then the filter should not be set to defer actively, or it should be modified to diminish false positives. If both the backlog and false positives are kept in check, then the filter may be set to defer actively.

  1. ^ This page can help in this regard.

Cenarium (talk) 00:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Edit filter rule "Disallow adding {{persondata}}"[edit]

Roll-back is a standard method of dealing with copyright violations. Until today I've been able to do that using the [restore this version] option provided by Twinkle. Now, when trying to roll back a biography to the last clean version, I'm blocked by this edit filter, which gives the message:

The following warning was returned by the edit filter:

Edit disallowed: {{persondata}} has been deprecated, it should not be used anywhere. Machine-readable information should be added to Wikidata instead.

If you wish to proceed with the rollback, please reload this page (F5 or Ctrl+R) and carry it out again. This warning wil [sic] not appear a second time

But if I reload the page and try to make the edit as instructed, I just get this:

The edit was disallowed by the edit filter rule "Disallow adding {{persondata}}".

Any advice on how to actually do the roll-back? I know of course that I can do it manually – find the revision number and editor of the last clean version for the edit summary, edit that version, remove the damned persondata, and save. But copyright clean-up is already time-consuming, we really don't need anything that makes it more so. Can I, for example, request exemption from the filter (I'm a copyright clerk)? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: This filter should not have been disallowing edits without an appropriate consensus (I've notified the creator), so I've turned that option off. You should be able to make these edits with just a warning now. Sam Walton (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Samwalton9, that's a relief! Now, what about an edit-filter that would catch copyvios before they are saved … ? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be nice! Unfortunately we're beholden to the bots for now. Sam Walton (talk) 14:19, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
There is a filter that catches articles created as big blocks of text added without wikifying and another which catches things that look like copy-and-paste moves or recreation, which is oftentimes a sign of copyright violation. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:26, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I know, I know! But it's not impossible to imagine a routine that would ask new and IP editors to wait a few moments for their edits (over a small minimum size) to be saved, and in that time do a CorenSearchBot-type check of the proposed content … some day, perhaps. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:40, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

"Contact 09035865525"[edit]

An IP-hopping spammer has been adding "Contact 09035865525" to many Nigerian university articles, e.g. [1], [2]. User:Materialscientist tells me "This is an LTA case, and some socks are here. All edits come from the range, which is busy, but we might consider blocking it. The added phone numbers vary." Looking at the sock contributions, they do indeed vary. I can think of a few string + number regexes to filter on, but don't know anything about how the edit filter works on WP. Any thoughts on how best to filter these? Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 06:26, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Wikishovel hop over to Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested (which has a lot more viewers) and just describe the pattern. — xaosflux Talk 16:26, 29 December 2016 (UTC)