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Wikidata notifications query[edit]

Hello, I appear to be getting notifications about things happening on wikidata that do not appear to have any relevance to me. So how do I switch off all notifications from wikidata on wikipedia and commons without turning off all crosswiki notifications as I would still want commons notifications on wikipedia and vice versa. Keith D (talk) 16:09, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Disable "Connection with Wikidata" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo. If it's already disabled then try to enable it, save preferences, and disable it again. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks I have tried that and will see what happens. Though the explanation indicates that is only for pages I have created, and none of the notifications so far have been for pages that I have created. Keith D (talk) 17:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@Keith D: Could you give us an example of 1 or 2 of the Wikidata-related Notifications you've already received? (Examples almost always help!) That way we can investigate in more detail. Also, as addendum to PrimeHunter's suggestion, if the notifications are coming from Commons you'll also need to locally disable the "Connection with Wikidata" at your Commons' preferences. Cheers. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 17:37, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Example "The page ‪Category:Kevin Kilbane‬ was connected to the Wikidata item Q350802, which contains data relevant to the topic." - which is meaningless to me. Though I have edited Kevin Kilbane page and it is on my watchlist. Keith D (talk) 17:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@Keith D: You did start that page. ;-) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but that is not on my watchlist. Keith D (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@Keith D: Ah now I understand. You said above "none of the notifications so far have been for pages that I have created", hence the confusion. Yeah, the feature you're suggesting is much wanted. Currently best described (at a technical level) in the phab:T70060#2166931 comment. The existing feature we have is unrelated to watchlists, and is purely based on the database listing of pages you've created. See also phab:T46787 and others linked from there. HTH. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I would not class that as a page as it is a category. I would only class page as a main space article or wikipedia space item. Keith D (talk) 19:27, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@Keith D: "page" refers to all namespaces (but some namespaces cannot have Wikidata items). You created the category page so you were notified when it was added to Kevin Kilbane (Q350802). I guess all the notifications were for pages you created. A bot has recently added category pages to a lot of Wikidata items. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@Keith D: It's a page none-the-less though. A category is no more than a tag attached to any page. A red category is still a category that exists (even when later emptied). A blue category, is a category that specifically a wikipage was created for. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 21:10, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Are page link notifications broken?[edit]

The last one I received was on June 28. I'm the creator of several articles and redirects that get linked to all the time so I doubt it's a dry spell. —Xezbeth (talk) 17:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Xezbeth - I haven't received any for quite some time either. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
phab:T200119 says it's resolved. mw:MediaWiki 1.32/wmf.19#Core changes says the fix was deployed last week, Thursday at the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
@Xezbeth, Oshwah, and PrimeHunter: More at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Notifications: "A link was made from" no longer works?. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Redrose64 - Thanks for pointing me to the discussion :-). ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia[edit]

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Please I need to add a profile on Wikipedia, Who can help me out on this? DJ TIMIC (talk) 10:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi DJ TIMIC, and thanks for asking for assistance - I'll be happy to help you and set expectations before you start editing. Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion, nor is it a a social network or a place to host a profile of yourself. We also discourage and steer people away from writing about themselves or even about things that they have a personal conflict of interest with. We're here because we want to build an encyclopedia and write content to articles in a completely objective manner. If you're here to help us build the project, welcome! If you're not, I hope that you consider doing so. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:02, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Read notifications[edit]

I can't seem to see my cross-wiki notifications unless I have unread notifications on that wiki. So I wind up keeping unread notifications around to avoid losing the ability to refer to the notifications I have already read. I'd honestly rather turn off the distinction between read and unread notifications. Could you add a "Other wikis with read notifications" link or some such? HLHJ (talk) 01:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Re-reading this report, is seems less than clear. Example: I get lots of en-wiki notifications, but rarely anything from the nl-wiki. Someone notifies me from nl, and I read it but have no time to respond. A day later I go to my notifications list and cannot find any way to access that read nl-wiki notification. If I get a second nl-wiki notification, I can go to that, select "all" or "unread", and see my first nl-wiki notification, but I'd better remember to leave at least one of the messages flagged as unread if I don't want to lose access again. HLHJ (talk) 18:26, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

If you know the wiki then you can go there and click the notifications icon to see read notifications originating from that wiki. If you are unsure of the wiki then the bottom of user contributions at en-wiki has an "accounts" link which gives links to other wikis where you have an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I can do that. It's just a bit of a nuisance, especially for several wikis; I'd rather keep some unread notifications around. The menu is titled "Recent activity[:] Pages with unread notifications]], so it's not misleading, but I wish I could toggle it, or turn off marking messages as "read". I found this idiosyncrasy surprising, but it's more a feature request than a bug report. Thank you for the advice. HLHJ (talk) 02:03, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
HLHJ, if I understand correctly, you would like to have Special:Notifications to gather all cross-wiki notifications, no matter the wiki you are on, instead of visiting every wiki you're active on? If so that's a feature request, for a smart improvement. However, while no work is scheduled concerning Notifications, maybe you should push those changes as a Community Wishlist item. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Trizek (WMF), I don't know anything about the internal workings of notifications, so that may quite possibly be what I want. I'm not sure what makes me "active" on a wiki (having unread notifications there?). A display that would allow read and unread notifications from all wikis to be amalgamated into one list rather than only being visible broken out by wikis-I-have-unread-notification-on would also work. Because I am active on a fair number of wikis, and keep unread notifications around, my "Recent Activity" list stretches well off the bottom of the screen. As I often deal with new notifications at the top of the page without scrolling down and clicking on and checking through eight or nine wikis, I've managed to miss seeing cross-wiki notifications for months, which is careless and unkind of me when someone is awaiting a reply. It's far too easy to do (also, checking right now, I can't see my English Wikitionary notifications at all; clicking on the menu item does nothing). I suspect I would be more active across wikis if this were easier. I'd be happy to help nominate a Wishlist item; please let me know of any other information you want. HLHJ (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
HLHJ, the description you have done is I think enough. I've tried to recap it in a Phabricator ticket, to track that request for improvement. Please edit it if needed.
Concerning the Community Wishlist, when the survey will start, you will just have to explain your problem there and link it to the Phabricator task. The community will vote on their favorite ideas, I hope you will have it selected!
Trizek (WMF) (talk) 09:14, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Done! See Meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Editing#Notifications should be able to display all cross-wiki notifications, whatever their status. Thank you, Trizek (WMF). Crit welcome. HLHJ (talk) 04:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Triggering events: Reverts[edit]

Section Alerts says, that a notification is generated: Edit reverts: When one of your edits is reverted, or "rolled back", by another user, but this isn't clear. Is the notification the result of clicking the "undo" (or "roll back") link? Is it a consequence of the prepopulated undo text which links the user's contributions and Talk page? If a user reverts a previous edit manually without clicking an undo link but imitates a typical Undo edit summary withe the Contributions and talk user links, is an alert generated? If a user clicks the undo link, but removes all wikilinks in the edit summary, is an alert generated? Mathglot (talk) 00:48, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I think it is just edits from using undo or rollback (undo and rollback tags). Manual reverts wouldn't trigger a notification. The edit summary doesn't have an impact. — JJMC89(T·C) 00:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Notification in edit summary[edit]

My reading of WP:Notifications#Alerts and the page it links to (mw:Mentions in edit summary) is that if User:A edits an article and includes "[[User:B]]" in the edit summary, then User:B will receive a notification, assuming they haven't disabled it in their preferences. The documentation states that a talk page notification needs to be signed, but no such requirement is mentioned for an edit summary. I experimented with diff which shows an unsigned edit to an article with a mention of a user in the edit summary. From the discussion here, that notification was not received. What's going on? Is there something in the documentation that I missed or is the documentation lacking a key point? Johnuniq (talk) 00:48, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Uanfala for your edit at User:Uanfala/sandbox. The edit summary included a link to my user page and I received a notification despite there being no signature. As expected from the documentation, the notification reads "Uanfala mentioned you in an edit summary on User:Uanfala/sandbox ... 1: pinging User:Johnuniq". So notifications by edit summary work although the faint possibility that something disables them when editing an article remains. Johnuniq (talk) 02:40, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
@Johnuniq: Edit summary notifications are not triggered if the edit is a revert (undo or rollback) or is done by a bot. — JJMC89(T·C) 02:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Ah, so that's why! – Uanfala (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Brilliant, of course. My test described above was exactly that: an undo. This edit at Morigi successfully notified me so notification by edit summary definitely works with the known exceptions that notifications can be disabled in your preferences, and specified accounts can be listed under "Muted users" in preferences to suppress notifications, and notifications do not work for an undo or rollback. I was hunting around earlier and found mention of a page which lists Sinebot as not generating notifications, but I can't see it now. Johnuniq (talk) 03:09, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Hmm. Drmies (talk) 03:14, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I got that notification and will notify in the edit summary of this edit. Johnuniq (talk) 03:53, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Alright. We have to stop meeting like this. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
I certainly received a notification for this unsigned talk page edit, so it was entirely down to the link in edit summary. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Why aren't alerts provided when posts are made to a user subpage?[edit]

My question relates to this post of mine at the Teahouse where I normally answer other people's queries, rather than seek help myself. But today I am stuck. I am not receiving alerts when another user posts on the talk page of a sub-page of my own userpage (see User talk:Nick Moyes/Adoption/Clovermoss), and I find this very restricting. Is there a way to resolve this, or does this Phabricator ticket mean the issue is known about, but has been pushed into the long grass?

How can I best get this issue picked up and addressed?

And shouldn't this page make it clear that web-based alerts are only generated for edits made by others to one's main user page/talk page, and not to any sub-pages that may have been created? Nick Moyes (talk) 02:10, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Each user has one (and exactly one) user talk page that is used for communication with that user. This simplifies the issue of where people should post in order to gain your attention. If you wish to use a different page, I suggest that you add that other page to your watchlist. You can also encourage the other person (presumably Clovermoss) to always use {{replyto|Nick Moyes}} when replying on any page other than User talk:Nick Moyes, just as you use {{replyto|Clovermoss}} yourself. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Redrose64. Out of necessity, I do encourage the new user to do just that. But, as every user page and every sub-page created has an associated talk page tab which allows that talk page to be created and presumably used (!), it seems highly logical for any changes to any sub page or talk page to be communicated to that user by an on-wiki alert, and not purely to rely on a watchlist.
I've since been informed by Fuhghettaboutit that there was an RfC on this topic back in 2017, which received majority support from @Gestrid, Od Mishehu, Dennis Brown, Doug Weller, and Johnuniq:. I discovered that the original developer assigned to the ensuing Phabricator task ceased all editing soon afterwards. Their name has now been removed, and hopefully a replacement will be assigned in due course. This seems a sensible development.
In case it takes another 10 years to be enabled, I still wonder why Wikipedia:Notifications does not explicitly state that notifications only result from changes to the top level userpage and talk page, especially when this guideline clearly shows (as we all know) that creating subpages is fine. I'd welcome it if you could point me to the policy that states Each user has one (and exactly one) user talk page that is used for communication with that user. Whilst it might be so, it most certainly isn't clear, and there are times, as with adoption discussions, when it's not helpful to have just one such page. And so I respectfully suggest this Notifications page could be usefully amended to clarify the true current picture of when a user will, and will not, receive a notification of edits made to any of their user pages or their associated talk pages. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:17, 1 March 2019 (UTC)  
@Nick Moyes: Well, there's WP:UP#Terminology and page locations and the two sections following. In these, we have "You will be notified when someone else edits your user talk page" and nothing about messages on subpages. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:20, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Redrose64 I'm glad you take my point. Absence of information isn't information; it's a lack of clarity. So I repeat my request that this Notifications page makes it clear by explicitly advising users that they will not receive a notification if another editor edits any of their subpages or their related talk pages. (By way of another example, I had no idea another editor had made this edit and others to my user sub-pages.) Now that I have come to understand that I won't receive alerts if any of my sub-pages or their associated talk pages are edited, I can at least do something about trying to change that, and encourage progress with the Phabricator ticket. In meantime it's a simple suggestion to make that we give clarity here on this guidance page so that every other editor who comes to read this page is aware of the alert limitations. Seems a good idea to me. Shall I add it myself, or would those editors who mostly maintain this page prefer to come to a consensus on whether or not it would be helpful? I firmly believe it would be. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:52, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree. Benjamin (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Suppressing notifications for links to a particular page?[edit]

I created a helpful redirect from Districts of Russia, which was then appearing as a redlink in a lot of infoboxes, to List of districts in Russia, last year. Since then, it has been converted to a nice article, and this is linked to every time someone creates an article on a Russian District - several times most days, as an editor is doing a huge project on these. I get notified every time it is linked to, and I really don't want to know: I'd much prefer that the "You have notifications" symbol really meant that there was something probably interesting. Is there any way to suppress these particular notifications: to inform "the system" that this is one file I created that I really don't need to be told when it's linked to?

I have a similar problem with a small publisher for which I created a stub article a while back: it gets cited in many references, and is often linked in those refs, and again I don't really want to know!

Most of the time the notification system is clever and helpful, telling me useful stuff. Is there any way I can tell it not to tell me about linkings to just one or two of my created files? PamD 14:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@PamD: There's an option to turn off that. Navigate to Preferences → Notifications then look for "Page link" and disable the web notification associated with it. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
@PamD: No, there's no way to turn off notifications for just one or two of your creations, only to turn it on/off for all of them. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 26 May 2019[edit]

Wikipedia:NotificationsHelp:Notifications – Per Wikipedia:Help namespace, [Help pages] contain information intended to help use Wikipedia or its software. Some of these pages are intended for readers of the encyclopedia; others are intended for editors, whether beginning or advanced. It's pretty clear that this page is designed to help users understand mediawiki software. If I could think of any reasons that this move would not make sense, I'd give more of a rationale. It just seems like pretty WP:COMMONSENSE to me. –MJLTalk 18:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)