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Artpop song title[edit]

There is currently a discussion at Talk:Artpop regarding the most appropriate titling of the song "MANiCURE"/"Manicure". Interested editors are invited to join the RFC here. 23:45, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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Resurrect "Sexxx Dreams"?[edit]

Do project members still feel that there is not enough content to warrant an entry for "Sexxx Dreams"? ----Another Believer (Talk) 00:55, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes- not enough to warrant an entry, and is unlikely to do so since the Artpop era has ended. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:52, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
@IndianBio: What say you? Additional sources can be found on the article's talk page and there are likely others yet to be included. ----Another Believer (Talk) 15:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
AB, I don't believe anything new cropped up regarding "Sexxx Dreams" in the media did it? Unlike "Swine" I would say it still fails enough independent notability for me. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 16:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I hear you both and appreciate your feedback. I am currently in the process of expanding the article a bit more (if you look at the article history you will see that I have been adding to it intermittently). Even if it needs to be redirected again, while it is being actively worked on, feel free to help add info about the residency or The Artpop Ball tour (or anything else, really). ----Another Believer (Talk) 21:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

@IndianBio, SNUGGUMS: Do either of you know how to fix or replace the link for the Korean chart placement? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:13, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you identify any gaps in the article? ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Could use information on what inspired Gaga to write the track and/or what it was originally based off of. On another note, I should add that sources like "Gigwise", Metro, "Sugarscape", "PopCrush", and Daily Mirror are not reliable and should be replaced. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:15, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that's a bummer. :( Wish I had known. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:25, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Both "Sexxx Dreams" and "Swine" would require hell lot of work to be GAs. At present I'm busy with Gaga's videography and the Tony/Gaga special. Maybe then I will visit these songs and the rest of the Artpop era, which well, frankly, I am super underwhelmed. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Update: I requested a copy edit for "Sexxx Dreams" from the Guild of Copy Editors. Feel free to add any additional information to the article before the review takes place. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga: Cheek to Cheek Live![edit]

The redirect for Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga: Cheek to Cheek Live! has been created. Feel free to move content over once we feel a separate article is appropriate. ----Another Believer (Talk) 14:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Swine[edit]

If anyone wants a project or particularly enjoys the GA process, "Swine" might be GA-ready, or at least close. I don't have time to respond to GA concerns right now, but if someone else wants to take a stab you are more than welcome. :) ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

It's worth looking into, but too soon to nominate now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:50, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean? Because the article is incomplete? ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:34, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes I guess so AB. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 15:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:LoveGame#Requested move[edit]

Page move is discussed; join in. --George Ho (talk) 06:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Video screencaps up for deletion[edit]

The video screen captures from several Gaga articles are up for deletion as failing WP:NFCC #8. Please see Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2014_November_19#Lady_Gaga_vidcaps for details. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Cheek to Cheek recordings[edit]

Should the Cheek to Cheek song recordings be included in the scope of this WikiProject? The project page states, "The scope of the project covers articles about Lady Gaga and her life and work. Included are also people and things directly related to — or who have achieved a significant part of their notability through their connection to Lady Gaga as an individual." We are currently discussing decades-old songs that were quite notable long before they were ever recorded by Gaga, and I just don't think they qualify. One-off covers generally are not included in most singers' WikiProjects, unless they are of significant importance. For example, Born This Way (song) is not included in the scope of WikiProject Katy Perry, even though Perry has performed it. –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I think the exception, if anything, would be covers officially recorded onto an album of some sort and/or had some sort of release. For example, Don McLean's "American Pie" is in the scope of Madonna's WikiProject. Her cover was a single from the soundtrack to her movie The Next Best Thing. John Lennon's "Imagine", however, was a one-time cover and shouldn't be included in WP:MADGE. I would certainly include "Anything Goes" and "I Can't Give You Anything But Love" as they topped the Billboard Jazz charts, not sure about the rest. In the case of "Born This Way", Katy just performed it once on her California Dreams Tour. Definitely not worth including on WP:KP. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Madonna's rendition of "American Pie" is what I would declare a clear exception, seeing as it was a #1 hit all over the world. Her rendition of it is very popular. Currently, besides an obscure component chart, there's not much about Gaga's versions of these songs that makes it stand out from the hundreds of recordings. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:12, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Regarding John Lennon's "Imagine" it was not a one-time cover. It was performed in every single date of her 2004 tour and released as an audio recording on the documentary soundtrack. As for the Cheek to Cheek songs, Gaga released it as separate recordings, they are part of this project, unlike her rendering of "Whats Up?" —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 03:55, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
  • My mistake, IndianBio, I didn't notice the soundtrack listings or setlist for the tour. With that being said, perhaps Whitney Houston's "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" should for example be added to WP:KP as it was part of the main tracklist of California Dreams Tour. Same with Madonna's "Vogue" during Prismatic World Tour. I was on the fence at first for the non-singles of Cheek to Cheek, but it now makes sense to include them. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I think the threshold would not be for just performed, but released as recording too. Did Perry release anything for California Dreams? I know she's planning to release for Prismatic Tour since she is shooting a tour documentary in Australia. Hence "Vogue" might be included once the release happens, but Whitney's song I wouldn't include since it was just live on tour. I would like to welcome other's opinion too, people who created the cover version guideline. What do you say? —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 04:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
  • The only release following California Dreams was her film Katy Perry: Part of Me, which largely consists of show recordings from the tour in addition to various clips of her life and other parts of her career. Didn't have a soundtrack or anything, so no. Only thought it would be included since it was covered during over 120 shows, but yeah releasing a recording sounds like a reasonable criterion. I'd be open for discussion as well. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:36, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
  • We are going a little OT, but yeah, let's wait and see if Perry releases the Prismatic Tour on a recording media and if it includes "Vogue" (in full not as a sample) then we can list it in Perry's project. For Gaga, we agree that Cheek to Cheek songs are part of the project. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Should articles for songs covered by a singer be included in their WikiProject?[edit]

Should a song covered by, but not originally recorded, by a singer be included in the scope of the singer's relevant WikiProject? –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I figured that the opinion there would be "judge on a case-by-case basis". This is a singular case I would like to see assessed individually. The question is phrased generally to be as neutral as possible. –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • In that case, I say it depends on whether such covers were ever recorded for an album/single release. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • And as noted earlier in this section, I personally do not think that songs that have been around for decades which were insignificantly covered one time by an artist do not receive enough notability from that artist's performance of it to be relevant to the WikiProject. I also feel that it is detrimental to the project to include 14-15 songs barely associated with this singer, as it stretches the project's scope far too wide. –Chase (talk / contribs) 21:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Chase what is your thoughts on singles and songs independently promoted then? They are most definitely part of the project I believe. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 05:11, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • If you're referring to the songs released as singles from Cheek to Cheek, I don't think they should be included in the scope of the project either. Songs that were already famous before - and that were not made more famous after - an artist recorded it did not derive a significant portion of their notability from that artist's performance. And the project is designed for articles about Gaga and subjects that achieved notability, in whole or in significant part, from Gaga.

    There are exceptions, of course. If Whitney Houston had a WikiProject, I Will Always Love You would surely be included in its scope. Houston performed what is far and away the most popular, well-known rendition of that song. Madonna's cover of American Pie (song) is rightly included in her project, in my opinion, since her rendition was rather popular. While it is not more well-known than the original, it was a #1 hit in multiple countries around the world. There is nothing in particular that sets the Gaga and Tony Bennett recordings apart from the numerous renditions performed of the 10+ songs being discussed. –Chase (talk / contribs) 05:24, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • And for what it's worth, giving the Gaga/Bennett recordings their own extensive section in the song articles, such as Anything Goes (Cole Porter song), when there is already a section devoted to later recordings of the song and a list of notable recordings at the end of the article, is wildly inappropriate and a major WP:UNDUE violation. But that's another matter entirely. –Chase (talk / contribs) 05:32, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Forgive me for being a bit blunt here, but does this really require an RfC or a discussion? I mean, if there is a WikiProject for Microsoft, then yes, Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office belong to WP MS. Same way, iPod and iPad belong to WP Apple. I'm being hypothetical here, but isn't it plain obvious? Why else would Lady Gaga require a Wikiproject if her songs aren't covered by the parent Wikiproject? This logic should apply to covers as well.--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:02, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
    • @Rsrikanth05: lemme explain a bit. The RFC wants to have a clarity on whether songs which singer Lady Gaga have released as cover versions of old songs, in a separate new recording, should be part of the project or not. I had theorized above as you can see that since it is part of a recording and released commercially and enough third party notability, it should be part of the project. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
      Hi IndianBio, I understood exactly what has been asked by User:Chasewc91. My point is: Yes, it is part of it. Given that Most of Gaga's songs become extremely popular in no time, I think yes, the song/cover does need to be covered by her WP. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:11, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

participant[edit]

Can you guys add me as a participant to this project. I'm contributing photos and adding subtitles to gaga's audios.  :) zlouiemark [ Talk | Contribs ] 09:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Users are free to add themselves, but sure thing. Snuggums (talk / edits) 09:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Importance reassessments[edit]

I recently updated the importance scale for the project (a modified version of that from WikiProject Albums), and I think a lot of the articles should be reassessed to better reflect this. Because many of these assessments have been in place for awhile, it involves a large number of articles, and it could be controversial, I would like to get some feedback here first. Here are my suggestions.

I'm more than willing to discuss any of these. For now, "Lady Is a Tramp" and Cheek to Cheek singles are not included in this discussion (see RfC above). Just as a general note, Top importance should be for only the absolute core topics, those that non-fans would immediately be very familiar with. The bio is a given. The discography is a core part of Gaga's artistry so that has been included as well. Everything else is judged on the importance related to Gaga and/or FA/GA potential.

The film cameos and Sopranos extra bit should be removed from the scope of this project altogether. For crying out loud, one of these (Kingsman) is only currently in the project based on rumors. This is just going to lead us down a very slippery slope of including too many unnecessary articles. The Glee episodes, Fogel, and RedOne I'm not completely certain on, though I would lean towards excluding those as well. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:21, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Good ones. Now I believe the main studio albums should also be in Top-importance as well. I would say keep the Glee episodes, since it did feature her music and those songs charted also, but remove the Sporano one and Fogel. You are right about the films though, have to agree. Machete Kills I would move to low-importance as well. Pretty short appearance, and no real importance except her mainstream debut and the Razzie. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 16:34, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Looks mostly good. Studio albums should definitely be Top-Importance. List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga should be either Top or High. I would remove the Glee episodes because unlike "Brittany/Britney" where Britney Spears herself made a guest appearance, Gaga herself was not seen. I'd say remove Arthur Fogel and RedOne. However, I'm not too sure about removing the films (except for Kingsman) and Sopranos- they might have been brief appearances, but they did feature the woman herself. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Both the Glee episodes were actually tributes to the artists, rather than just featuring their songs though. I would definitely think that would make them a part of this project. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 17:08, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both for your feedback. I'm inclined to agree with IndianBio about the films and the Sopranos episode. Merely featuring her ≠ it being relevant to the understanding of her. This is what I meant about heading down a slippery slope. Soon we'll be adding things like The Block (album) just because Gaga wrote one song and sang on another, if we use the same logic.
My only qualm about moving the individual albums to Top importance is that they are not vital to the understanding of Gaga like her biography and general discography are. They have lots of quality info and are strong candidates for future FAs, like a Top importance article, but readers who are not too familiar with Gaga may not know much about The Fame, Artpop, etc. –Chase (talk / contribs) 18:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
One thing I should mention is that for other people's albums where she only wrote songs, I would only include such tracks in the project instead of the album itself (i.e. only include Jennifer Lopez's song "Hypnotico" instead of its parent album Love?). Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:20, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm certainly not advocating to include albums Gaga was featured on in the project; I'm just saying that's the path we're headed towards if we include anything that she was at all a part of, no matter how insignificant. –Chase (talk / contribs) 19:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I guess the question lies in how significant aspects of her career must be to meet the inclusion criteria. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:37, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah just simply adding a parent album is out of the question. I removed many such instances from the Madonna wikiproject. So we are agreeing that few second appearances on TV/film are not part of the project? And Chase, yes I can see where you are coming from with the albums as Top-imp and I think I can agree with your stance. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 05:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Im not sure about keeping lady starlight. i agree w/ whats on the list of being removed and will possibly be removed from the scope zlouiemark [ T ] [ C ] 16:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Cheek to Cheek as potential topic?[edit]

The project page includes other Gaga albums as potential topics. Should Cheek to Cheek also be added? ---Another Believer (Talk) 07:48, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Not untill the above RFC concludes. Its still not clear the scope of the topic. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 07:50, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
@Another Believer:, lol look at it, the RFC expired just now. Face-smile.svgIndian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 03:36, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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The Fame Monster GAR[edit]

The Fame Monster, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.

Sexxx Dreams[edit]

Project members, now that "Sexxx Dreams" has received a copy edit, I wonder if it is time to consider nominating the article for Good status. However, IndianBio and Snuggums, you have expressed concern above re: this article and its gaps. I wonder, would either of you be interesting in working on this article so that it meets criteria? Once finished, I'd be happy to co-nominate the article for Good status with whoever assisted. Just thought I would extend the invitation and see if anyone else wanted to help promote another Gaga article for this project. Thanks for your consideration. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

The following sources currently used in it are not reliable:
  • Gigwise
  • Sugarscape Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed
  • PopCrush Crystal Clear action edit remove.png Removed
If I can think of anything else making the article subpar, I'll adjust accordingly, but those are the biggest problems I could detect for now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback, Snuggums. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:31, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I removed the Sugarscape and Popcrush sources. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:35, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

TechHaus Volantis in the Artpop good topic?[edit]

I noticed TechHaus Volantis in the Artpop good topic on the project page. I would argue that the hover vehicle isn't directly related to the album. It just happened to be premiered at an event which promoted the album, and unless we want to argue that the TechHaus Volantis article is incomplete, it doesn't even mention Artpop currently. I propose the removal of TechHaus Volantis from the good topic template. Thoughts?---Another Believer (Talk) 05:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

American Horror Story: Hotel[edit]

I added American Horror Story: Hotel to this project. Not sure if we will want to add all episodes in which Gaga appears, but certainly the season is relevant to her since she will have a starring role. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:26, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

What exactly is that? Unless the role is confirmed it is extremely premature. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 17:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
What do you mean? This is an upcoming season of the American Horror Story series. Each season has a different subtitle and theme. It is not premature. Plenty of sources have confirmed. See talk page. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I disagree about it being premature. As for episodes, not sure what to say. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
It is not premature. An editor is just edit warring. Yes, we should discuss whether or not to add individual episodes to this project. I would say yes, but that's because I would rather include articles in more related projects than less. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)