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Help[edit]

Hi, before I officialy ask for a second opinion, it would be of great help if anyone can check whether the Shahid Khaqan Abbasi passes the broad in its coverage criteria and give comments in Talk:Shahid Khaqan Abbasi/GA1. Thanks. RRD (talk) 04:51, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Ping[edit]

Please see WT:TFA#Reruns. - Dank (push to talk) 16:55, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide#Images[edit]

Warning: subject article contains graphic and disturbing content.

I'm soliciting input: the Armenian Genocide article has a gallery of images relating to the genocide... 33 in fact. All appear to have fine rights status, since the major events were >100 years ago, and are on commons. But are those too much? Each has some commentary in caption, but that's a lot of pictures. On the other hand, there is a problem with Armenian genocide denial, so I am inclined to support some leeway there. What do other GA reviewers think? Again, it's an emotionally challenging article and emotionally challenging images, so feel free to not actually go view them all. Jclemens (talk) 23:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll drop my two cents here. I think it should remain. The gallery is important in this case, especially considering the controversial subject matter and the importance of photographic and visual evidence when it comes to genocide. Étienne Dolet (talk) 14:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Disclaimer: I generally dislike image galleries. That said, this image gallery is not great, to my eyes. WP:IG says Images in a gallery should be carefully selected, avoiding similar or repetitive images, unless a point of contrast or comparison is being made. I think this gallery could easily be cut down to minimise repetition. For instance, what does this image add which is different from this one? I don't know, and the captions don't enlighten me. Basically all the images in the gallery are either a) pictures of the bodies of victims of the genocide, or b) pictures of refugees from the genocide. Many of the images in both of those categories are repetitive.
On my display, there is plenty of room in the body of the article to fit more images in. If all of these images really are important to the article, can some of them be fitted in there? Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:09, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
A further notion from WP:IG: the use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. The value that Jclemens sees in this gallery is to provide seeing-is-believing evidence for something that can be perfectly succinctly described in prose: the Armenian Genocide happened, and although some deny it, there is ample historical proof. Using galleries to make the point that we have a zillion images of this on Commons so no one should doubt it is underestimating our readers and very bad style choice (indeed against the image use policy). – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
@Finnusertop: I understand that it can be described in prose. Indeed, there's ample amount of sources that would prove that. But sometimes images can do things words can not. We all know that. Above all, part of the denialist argument is that there is no photographic evidence. That's mainly because as the AG was happening, photographic evidence was being destroyed en masse (see: [1][2]). Photography therefore is intrinsically linked with the AG. I know I may have dipped my toes into history a bit too much here, but I only did so to demonstrate the encyclopedic value of these images. Also, shouldn't the necessity of an image gallery be discussed on the talk page of the article? Shouldn't consensus trump any recommendations by the GAN or a GA reviewer? I'm genuinely curious here. Étienne Dolet (talk) 15:53, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
@EtienneDolet: Yes, sometimes images are better than prose alone. But the way they should be used on Wikipedia is in tandem with prose. Images alone achieve little. If you can find reliable sources that discuss how photographs have served as proof of the Aremenian Genocide – which photos, what kind of features in the photos – then include that information as prose. Then illustrate that prose with such images: 'this very photograph has led historians to conclude, this photograph evidences features of photographs that have led historians to conclude, deniers incorrectly claim that this photograph portrays instead...' But overwhelming readers with dozens of photographs simply to underline the point that the event happened goes against WP:IG.
I think this question is directly related to GA criteria 6b (relevant images), so it can be discussed here. Consensus for a gallery, however, should be forged at the article's page, as you say. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 16:15, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
@EtienneDolet. Comments here won't effect article material directly. All it does is provide advice for Jclemens as to whether editors think the article meets the GA criteria with the image gallery. He is free to take or ignore the advice as he sees fit. If it is decided that the image gallery fails the criteria, as long as it has consensus you can keep it in, it just means that it won't be considered a good article at this point. AIRcorn (talk) 17:00, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Withdrawn nominations[edit]

I jumped in to help clear the review backlog, but have a quick question. The nominator of the article I am currently reviewing has decided to retire from Wikipedia. Should I fail the article or just remove the GA tag? Doctor (talk) 13:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

The nominator is not the only person who can work through a GA review and address any issues. Perhaps you could say what the article in question is, and/or communicate with any relevant wikiprojects to see if others would be willing to step in and take over? Bungle (talkcontribs) 18:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
That's a good idea, I'll leave a message on the project talk page to see if anyone else wants to pick it up. Thanks! Doctor (talk) 18:52, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

How to add co-nominators[edit]

I recently nominated Achelousaurus, and added MWAK as my co-nominator after my own name (see the article talk page). That seemed to work fine, with links and everything, but when the nomination began, only I got a bot notification about it. Is there another way to do it, or should the bot be tweaked so it notifies all listed users? FunkMonk (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2017 (UTC)