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Heteronormativity article[edit]

At Heteronormativity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Heteronormativity#The link to heterosexism and homophobia. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Merge proposal: Queer erasure article[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following: Talk:Heteronormativity#Merge proposal: Merge Queer erasure here. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Should Category:Bisexuality (already in Category:Same-sex sexuality) be categorized in Category:Heterosexuality?[edit]

"Bisexual" is sometimes defined as "homosexual and heterosexual" but according to heterosexuality, bisexual people are neither heterosexual nor homosexual. Apokrif (talk) 22:54, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Definitions vary wildly. I would think it best to remove Category:Same-sex sexuality and add Category:LGBT. It's uncontroversially a sexuality of its own, but saying it's a sum-of-parts of hetero/homo is contentious. Bilorv(c)(talk) 00:28, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Roscelese, what do you mean by "the title for one indicates exclusive attraction and the title for the other does not"? As for the Heterosexuality article, just like the Homosexuality and Bisexuality articles, it is not solely about the sexual orientation...but about sexual behavior and sexual identity as well. A person might engage in heterosexual behavior, as many gay men and lesbians have, but not be heterosexual. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Flyer22: fair enough re: the fact that the article and category aren't solely about the orientation. Ultimately I think my "this is a titling mismatch" point is still valid - if people who aren't heterosexual may behave heterosexually, and people who aren't homosexual may behave homosexually (whether we're talking situational homosexuality, or a normal part of being bisexual) then I don't see any reason for the category not to be Category:Homosexuality (rather than having that title redirect to Category:LGBT and using Category:Same-sex sexuality as the actual cat). You follow me? –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 13:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

FYI birthname/pronouns at Christine Hallquist[edit]

Hello all, just wanted to let you all know that the article about trans woman politician Christine Hallquist is experiencing repeated attempts to change pronouns and reinsert birthname. While these come from IP and redlinked accounts, they also come from some established editors. Jessamyn has posted guidance on the talk page, and I have just added the MOS-TW template. Per the template, I'm notifying here.--Theredproject (talk) 13:20, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I feel like we've been reverting the same edits by the same 2-3 people for days. My understanding of the identity guideline is that there's no reason to use her previous name in the article for any reason since she was not notable under that name. Do I have a correct understanding? Jessamyn (talk) 17:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Bluerasberry can you provide guidance here on WP:MOS policy? The argument seems to be that birthname/deadname is only appropriate if the subject was notable prior to transition, right? And it is unclear here if she was notable simply as a business executive. That seems to be in dispute.--Theredproject (talk) 01:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
@Theredproject and Jessamyn: This is not a case where I want to share an interpretation of the manual of style. I will comment on that page. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Jessamyn (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Pronoun for Rain Dove[edit]

Could someone take a look at Rain Dove? People have been changing the pronouns in the article to they and she back and forth, and sometimes to he. Dove has said that there is no preferred pronoun, and sources cited in the article all use female pronouns to refer to Dove as far as I've looked (see talk). I could see arguments for both she and they, but ether way we need to settle on one and move on. Thanks. Nardog (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposed move: Radical lesbiansRadical lesbianism[edit]

Your opinion is welcome at a proposed move of Radical lesbians to Radical lesbianism. Please add your thoughts at Talk:Radical lesbians#Requested move 31 August 2018. Mathglot (talk) 08:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Featured article nomination for San Junipero[edit]

Editors familiar with the featured article process may be interested in the nomination of "San Junipero", an episode of Black Mirror about a romance between two women. The nomination can be found here. Thanks! Bilorv(c)(talk) 21:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Lisa Littman[edit]

Your feedback is requested at an Rfc at Talk:Lisa Littman#Possible courses of action regarding this BLP. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 00:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Environment and sexual orientation[edit]

This page is a mess, trying to support the usual non-scientific theories about social and cultural influence on sexual behavior (by even abusing sources like the APA itself). I tried a small fix in section 0, but the whole page seems useless, given there is already Sexual orientation#Influences:_professional_organizations'_statements --151.75.84.245 (talk) 14:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Why don't you sign in and stop using your IP to avoid scrutiny? Like I stated at the article's talk page, that "scientists do not know the exact cause of sexual orientation, but they theorize that it is the result of a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences" is a fact. And it is supported by solid sources, and yet you removed that from the lead of the article, which was extensively discussed. The lead is meant to summarize the article. And this article is about "environment and sexual orientation." So, yes, per WP:Lead, the lead will include the controversial material you do not like. It is not WP:Undue weight as long as we are clear about what the literature generally supports. The article needs cleanup, but it does not need your biased editing. If I see you tag-team edit warring by using your IP and registered account, I will be reporting you for WP:Socking. And I will likely get the article WP:Semi-protected, which will lead to you either editing with your registered account or using a WP:Sock account. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
And to be clearer, although what determines sexual orientation is not conclusive and subject to debate, scientists are very clear that social environment affects sexual behavior. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Sharice Davids[edit]

Is there a draft that has been started for Sharice Davids? (<--This is now a redirect) She's gotten a lot of press coverage already in major publications for being a Native-American LGBT Democratic nominee in a red state, but her notability kind of hangs on the outcome of the election. I was going to start something, but I didn't want to bother if there was already a version (or two) being cooked up by someone else.--MattMauler (talk) 10:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I wish to avoid a edit war[edit]

Dante "Tex" Gill has had his birth name removed so I wanna know if it should be restored? Dwanyewest (talk) 10:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I am sympathetic to the sentiment. Adding a person's deadname in bold in the first line of a BLP seems highly avoidable emphasis. For trans people who have changed their names, Wikipedia could do better and should. I would be up for running a policy changing RFC, even if just to stop deadnames being in bold, but we (the LGBT+ community) would have to be clear how we want WP:DEADNAME to change. -- (talk) 10:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Gill wasn't notable under his former name, right? So WP:DEADNAME already covers this and the deadname shouldn't be mentioned in the first sentence. Bilorv(c)(talk) 11:04, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Keep this one on your watchlist and ensure the deadname stays out. Face-smile.svg
For the more general issue of emphasis, if we notice any BLP where the subject has complained about being treated badly by Wikipedia due to unnecessary deadname emphasis, please remember to flag them here. Improving guidelines hinges on good case studies! -- (talk) 11:11, 24 September 2018 (UTC)