Wikipedia talk:List of Wikipedians by number of edits

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By namespace?[edit]

Is there a tool or list somewhere that notes the users with the most edits for individual namespaces? Dragons flight (talk) 06:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dragons flight. I don't know of such a tool. There are tools that will aggregate edits by namespace on a per-user basis, but I don't know of any tools or reports that aggregate edits by namespace for all users. It would be an interesting report to read, but probably fairly annoying to write. You'd need to tally the per-namespace counts for each user with edits (probably a few million users total), which would take a long time and involve a lot of sequential scans. The reason that this report updates so frequently is that a very rough edit count is already computed and stored in the user table, of course. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:05, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I was mainly curious who are the main contributors to some of the esoteric and technical namespaces (template / module / mediawiki). Shame that no such list already exists. I could create one if I really wanted to, but who has the time. Dragons flight (talk) 09:36, 16 May 2015 (UTC)


Is it possible to make such list for English Wikisource? Hausratte (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hausratte. Yes, it's possible to make such a list for the English Wikisource. The relevant script is available at Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/Configuration and can be run from Wikimedia Tool Labs. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
@MZMcBride: Thanks for the reply! Could you please make such a list there? if you have time of course :) Hausratte (talk) 19:39, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Not updating?[edit]

The list appears to have stopped updating two or three days ago. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:21, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

The most recent update was a week ago on the 30th April. A note has already been sent to the bot operator - the bot is still doing other things and the bot operator has been around recently, so normal service may well soon be resumed. ϢereSpielChequers 03:51, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Seems like updation is suspended for an extended period of time. --jojo@nthony (talk) 05:59, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I'm counting close to a week now. The list itself is not much more than a feel-good thing, but if the bot is mis-firing, this is a problem....Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: It was close to a week seven days ago... as WereSpielChequers noted, the last update was 30 April, so it will be two weeks tomorrow. See histories of Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/1–1000; /1001–2000; /2001–3000; /3001–4000; /4001–5000; /5001–6000; /6001–7000; /7001–8000; /8001–9000; /9001–10000. MZMcBride (talk · contribs), whose bot BernsteinBot (talk · contribs) prepares these, is aware; but they have a lot of non-working reports at the moment, some of which haven't updated in twelve months or more. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Huh, interesting. They edited the 'pedia a few days ago, so it's not as though they're inactive; hopefully it gets sorted out soon. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:02, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Not inactive, but still unpaid volunteers. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes. :-) There are a lot of database reports (over 100), some of which are horribly complex. And for various reasons, not many people help out with the current set of reports written in Python and available under a free license on GitHub. The whole system needs a redesign/rewrite in my opinion.
Regarding this report specifically, I replied here. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:10, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for doing these. We all really appreciate them and the extra context they give to our editing. One I would like to see back is the ranking by number of articles created. Is there any chance of that one coming back? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

The list has not been updated for several days Chrisdoyleorwell (talk) 20:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chrisdoyleorwell: We know. Please read the comments above. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:02, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
It appears that updates are back, as of today. --Albany NY (talk) 17:58, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
@Albany NY: Please see the post by MZMcBride timed 05:10, 14 May 2015. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Just noting here that this issue is hopefully now resolved with this change. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

The bot has stopped again. It hasn't run since June 17. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 09:06, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
This is the Labs outage that has affected several scripts and bots. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 137#Nav popups not working, wikEd not working and others. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:28, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Page history[edit]

Although the page is updated daily, the changes are apparently not restored in the page history. In a similar page in the Finnish Wikipedia (which is shorter and updated about once in 2-4 weeks) one can see the history. This is no big deal, but I'm only interested in knowing whether it is possible to see the history of this page. K9re11 (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@K9re11: The page is built from these sub-pages: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/1–1000, Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/1001–2000, Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/2001–3000, Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/3001–4000 and Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits/4001–5000. You can explore the history by looking at the history of those sub-pages. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! K9re11 (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Vanished users[edit]

A number of users on this list have "vanished" from Wikipedia, under our Courtesy Vanishing method. As they clearly want to be removed from Wikipedia, I quietly removed all instances of the "vanished users" from this list. I was quite surprised to be reverted with the reason that the "users have to add themselves". Clearly this isn't going to happen, they've left and want nothing more to do with Wikipedia. Could we please ensure that vanished users are redacted on this list? WormTT(talk) 08:59, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Per IAR or common sense or whatever else, I certainly agree that vanished users should be removed from this list. I can't really see any benefit from including "Vanished user [string of random characters]" instead of "[Placeholder]" and the fact that they've chosen to vanish indicates they probably wouldn't want to be included on this list in any way, shape or form. Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 09:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree as well. That the users in question would choose to be removed from this list were they aware of it is a reasonable presumption, and no public interest is served by having their scrambled usernames listed here. ‑ iridescent 10:12, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Agreed. The current setup (as described in John of Reading's reply in the previous section and Redrose64's reply in the section before that) links someone's stated desire to vanish, to their edit count, to a history of edit counts, leading to their username. It is a prime example of Streisand effect. Bazj (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Bazj, the trail will remain; the Anonymous list only determines whether a user appears as Vanished User XYZ or as [Placeholder]. Looking back at the page's history, the first Random User and Vanished User entries were added in April 2011 courtesy of WereSpielChequers with edit summary "opting out some rtvs"; more accumulated over time and then the entries were all removed by Wizardman in November 2014 with the summary "rm disappeared users (their names won't be on the list by default, after all)". Then came the events of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:56, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, The difference may be between Placeholder and Vanished, but in practice it's a difference between "This is nonsense, count me out" and "I want to leave, don't follow me.". It separates out those who wish to vanish and highlights (and effectively denies) their desire. Bazj (talk) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks BlueMoonset, I appreciate that, I wasn't aware of the history, doesn't change my opinion, but it's interesting to hear. WormTT(talk) 13:59, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Pinging Altenmann, who reverted Worm's edit, to get the contrary view. Interested to hear how vanished editors might be expected to add themselves top a list they may never have heard of. Bazj (talk) 11:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Here are my reasons.
  • This is a common interest list. Vanished or not, we have to respect their contributions. Heck we even to respect contributions of banned users. We have to feel sadness and sorrow that some of them abandoned the project, while others step on the path of destruction, but we have to remember good things. The edit list is not some kind of award that can be stripped off. It is statistics (or so I was told long time ago).
  • re: would choose to be removed from this list:: Please don't read their minds and don't make decision for them. From what I understand, most of them left not wikipedia, but wikipedian community, which, they felt, was unwelcome to them. And now you reinforcing this negative opinion. Many of them did a lot for wikipedia, I don't think this is forgettable to them. What is more, many of them simply changed their user names, eg. because of harassment. The very fact you see them in the list means they were prolific contributors and hence long-term wikipedians, so in all probability they are perfectly aware of this list.
  • re: "I can't really see any benefit" - I see several benefits. respect (memorial, so to say). reminder (what the freaking heck happened they left). Without memory and self-criticism a community is sick.
  • "no public interest is served" - leave politicians to speak of public interest with undeniable authority. There is public interest.
  • re: with the reason that the "users have to add themselves". Yes. That's the whole point. Opt-out. "and want nothing more to do with Wikipedia" - but we don't remove them from all talk pages. We just change the name. May be they want nothing, but this has nothing to do with us.
  • Please notice that my name is first in the list. It is for the reason other than alphabetic. It is because of me this list was created. I did not want somebody involve me in this without my consent. For the same feeling, I disagree someone kicked out without their consent.
  • You did not explain what's the damage their names are to the project. "it ain't broken, don't fix it" . I saw some person removed himself from the exclusion list with edit summary "it is dominated by demibots, and I will be comfortably unnoticeable way down the list" . Now, what harm you see in "vanished users", unseen, unless you look for them very hard? - üser:Altenmann >t 14:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • re: "I want to leave, don't follow me." - Irrelevant. You can follow the talk pages and histories. You just don't know past name.
  • (BTW your "I want to leave" sample in big bright red was made to look as if it was a drama queen shouting. No. Personally, when I see the sig "vanished", I feel their pain, not vanity.) - üser:Altenmann >t 14:31, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
tl;dr, right? - üser:Altenmann >t 14:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
The big red was supposed to highlight the Streisand effect of labelling the user as Vanished. So much for that great idea... *sigh* Bazj (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Streisand effect inapplicable: who cares? There is no drama in it for non-involved. And involved ones easily know who's'who anyway. I myself know a handful of "vanished" simply by seeing signatures in some heated discussion involving myself. (And just as easily I can suspect the original identity of new but very experienced accounts) - üser:Altenmann >t 15:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Just on the "most of them left not wikipedia, but wikipedian community", I disagree with that statement. I've been one of the crats looking after RTV for nearly a year and very few are "had enough of the community". Far more prevalent is "I'm being harassed, please hide my name", or "I want nothing more to do with Wikipedia at all". Of course the most prevalent is "Request for vanishing" and no reason. WormTT(talk) 14:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry I was not careful in phrasing. That's what I meant and what I mentioned elsewhere as well: people were hiding from community. You, one of 'crats, and the remaining 'crats have better to understand. People don't request vanishing simply because they got cured of wikipediholism. If a person just bored with wikipedia, he quietly goes away. Request for vanishing is a sign of conflict. And please don't tell me they were all troublemakers anyway. - üser:Altenmann >t 15:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Having read all the above, nothing has changed my opinion away from strongly support re-replacing them with placeholders. I can see no benefit to forcing people to appear on this list other than as (a) as an act of spite ("you didn't obey our rules, now you must pay"), (b) as a badge of shame, or (c) to make some kind of arcane meta-point about how much work has been done by people who have since left Wikipedia, and I think it entirely reasonable to presume that someone who has specifically expressed a desire for anonymity would choose to be removed from WP:WBE had they known about it. Personally, I'd be strongly in favour of deleting this page altogether—it causes a lot of problems for very little benefit—but there are too many people who see it as some kind of high-score table. ‑ iridescent 15:53, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
    Same here. I do certainly respect that many now-vanished users have helped the project a great deal, but trying to use that as an argument here implies the list is an awards table, leaderboard or some other reward. Edit count does not accurately measure much; being on a list of 'most edits' is not equivalent to "you are one of the top 10,000 most respected people on the site". I don't understand "May be they want nothing, but this has nothing to do with us." — there's a reason it's called courtesy vanishing. It's something that is polite to do, not something that 'crats have to do. This is exactly the same reason we have placeholders: no-one contributing to Wikipedia has the right to prevent people compiling statistics based on them, but it's a courtesy to let people opt out of this list if they don't want to be included in it, no questions asked. WP:VANISH describes the process as being used for someone who "for whatever reason wishes to make their contributions harder to find or to remove their association with their edits". Replacing their vanished account in this list with "[Placeholder]" seems like a logical extension of this. Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 16:54, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
I added a few vanished users to the list a while back, apologies if anyone finds that contentious. I appreciate that some people get renamed due to harassment and even go through cleanstart, but I'm not suggesting that we mark retired accounts with Placeholder. Vanishing is very different to cleanstart, someone who is vanishing wants their username not just renamed but is discarding it and having it renamed to something such as vanished user. Of course some change their mind and come back, but having their vanish account return to its former name would automatically stop them being placeholdered. If we decide to default to marking vanished users as placeholders then it might be an idea to include this in the advice about cleanstart and vanishing. ϢereSpielChequers 18:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree that vanished users should be replaced with [Placeholder]. It somewhat defeats the purpose of vanishing to have their new random names-which are in fact placeholders already-to be enumerated here. (Disclosure: Worm That Turned pointed me to this discussion)xenotalk 10:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Cannot find myself on here[edit]

So.... I have made a total of 6,553 edits so far (6,554 after this one), and if I recall I will at least be at the very end on this list, so does this update on a timed schedule or just at random? Burklemore1 (talk) 12:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

@Burklemore1: The list is normally updated every 24 hours by a "bot". -- John of Reading (talk) 12:25, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
@Burklemore1: Some edit counters include page moves in their count; some do not. This report is one of those that don't. You have 41 entries in your move log: some counters will add 82 (41 x 2) to your true edit count because each move causes two actions: the move itself, and the creation of a redirect. So if the 6,554 comes from a counter that includes moves, you will need to wait until it passes about 6,590 and then wait again until about 00:05 (UTC) for the report to be updated. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:37, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Thanks to you both for the replies. :-) Burklemore1 (talk) 15:12, 2 September 2015 (UTC)