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Verification check on STAR jewel[edit]

I need someone to do a verification check of STAR jewel. Unfortunately, I think this is a case of "anything as a source" and nothing on that article is verifiable except for the most basic of facts (that it exists). To put it shortly, I believe that SBarT is falsely claiming sources backs up the genre and the voice actors—because sample entries of The Anime Encyclopedia does not list the voice actors or the genres. The fact that SBarT claims that the entry for an almost unknown minor OVA stretches over 4 pages (while more well known anime barely has a page) and the page numbers don't match those on the Title Index leads me to believe that this citation was either made-up or copied and pasted from another article. Can someone with a hard copy verify? —Farix (t | c) 10:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I have digital copies of the latest two editions (so can't provide page numbers). The 3rd edition gives Star Jewel 2 paragraphs, one for a summary and one for a personal impressions. It provides two staff (one of them for three roles) and no cast. Shiroi Hane (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Also, vol. 28 of Champion Red Ichigo came out in 2011. Here are the issues released April and June 2014 (it was bimonthly): [1] & [2] Shiroi Hane (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
(bear with me, I'm at work so both using my tablet and being careful what I look at) It looks like there was something called "STAR☆jewel: Natsumi Oblivion" by Rui Takatō in issues 28 and 29. Shiroi Hane (talk) 16:41, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Voice actors are not listed in The Anime Encyclopedia. Here's the snippet for Star Jewel. It doesn't look like it is an abridged version of some longer description, and certainly not spanning four pages. [3] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:23, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Removed the voice actors and genre once again. That and the problems with the Champion Red Ichigo citation makes me wonder if SBarT has the first clue about sourcing and Verifiability. I wouldn't put it past them to link to the ANN encyclopedia to support their claims. But with that said, does anyone believe that this could pass a WP:NOTE challenge? —Farix (t | c) 19:39, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Farix, the errors are now fixed. Due the lack of reliable sources I am synchronized the Japanese version I translated in English by setting CITE and Unreferenced templates. SBarT (talk) 20:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
I would just list the six characters and their Japanese voice actors based on their entry on the website. [4] The others seem non-notable or are minor characters. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:18, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
AngusWOOF, I explain, there are only main characters, not supporting or other. But the supporting characters are set only in third party websites, so the supporting characters and cameos are exist. So, I set WP:VERIFY template for this. Break. SBarT (talk) 09:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
The supporting and cameo characters do not need to be listed. Neither do minor ones like "Bartender". It should just be the first three characters from one side and the three VS. characters on the other side. That's what that website supports as main characters. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Are ye jokin' yet? The Pork Side are the evil goddesses. So, the Protagonists are The Light Side? I fixed it now. And use multiple issues template, OK? So, Zircon is also called as Gen Rhino, got it? And thank ye for commenting my old edits. Do not erase it for now. Break. But you don't edit the japanese article for now, they are armed for the "noncommissioned" editors like me (I am locked now like Stalin sued lots of Soviet people). Break. SBarT (talk) 11:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Genre is fixed and set to Hentai due the string at source link at "Order Information" section at this link: アダルト = Hentai!! Break. SBarT (talk) 14:56, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Angus, Larry Zircon as a General is confirmed now! As in Amazon, the registration process and The System's approval is required for add. «Генерал Носорог» (Generál Nosoróg) = General Rhino, why not? SBarT (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
What is Shikimori? Is that a reliable source website? It looks like a database to me. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Angus, It's not a database as you think. It's just a lil' encyclopedia (not user-generated, but content patrolled) but not MAL- or Wikipedia - like website. I'll set WP:VERIFY, then other users will check it out. And Dr. Gen is an Cameo, so it's not listed in official website for now. I'll take it on another section for now. Break. SBarT (talk) 18:28, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Potentally relevent discussion[edit]

Recently several images were removed from the Hentai article and it has also been suggested that File:Futanari.png should also be removed from the Futanari article on the grounds they go against Wikipedia:Offensive material. The relevant discussion is at Talk:Hentai#Wikipedia is not censored... but which has so far only has one other comment on.-- (talk) 05:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Infobox's notable roles of Japanese voice actors/actress[edit]

Before I or anyone do other useless edits about this, do we really need to put a bunch of notable roles into the infobox? Many VAs like Tomokazu Sugita, Miyuki Sawashiro, Yūki Kaji, etc., have a lot of notable roles. Also many of these roles already mentioned in the lead or the body of the article. Many fans just put the roles they think are notable, without tell anything or give any source about why these roles are notable. They not even include the award-winning roles in the infobox (e.g. Inori Minase's Jun Naruse role, the actress who got the award though). Marlin Setia1 (talk) 21:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I would say no for the most part, but with exceptions for actors that are so strongly tied with their character that it trumps everything else they are voicing such as Ikue Ohtani = Pikachu and Tom Kenny = SpongeBob. I agree that any of the characters listed there should be discussed in the lead paragraph as to why they are strongly notable too. Kikuko Inoue = Kasumi Tendo is one such role that is career-defining, where they call Inoue "onee-chan" and think of her in those roles all the time. Masako Nozawa = Goku (Dragon Ball) and Akiko Yajima = Shinnosuke Nohara (Shin-Chan) are also major associated roles. I don't see how Sugita has that kind of major role given his body of work. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:20, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree with you on no for placing notable roles into the infobox. I'm not sure about "strongly tied" roles though as they are subjective so we would need to apply a source to back up the connection. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
In the case of Tom Kenny, there are lots of media articles that have indicated he is SpongeBob. [5] [6] [7] But yes, an actor or actress would need that kind of news coverage to warrant putting that in the infobox. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:56, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

An IP hopper keeps readding a bunch notable roles to the infobox. Do I should ignore this or keep revert him? Any inputs? Marlin Setia1 (talk) 21:36, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

There is always WP:RPP, although I believe that this is the type of editor that will simply wait out any protection period. —Farix (t | c) 21:44, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Fake air dates on List of Tokyo Ghoul episodes[edit]

List of Tokyo Ghoul episodes has often been targeted for months by an editor from the 47.136.x.x IP range who repeatedly changes the air dates from those given by Adult Swim's website to those that are entirely fake. For example, Adult Swim's website states that the next episode, "Deluge of Flowers", will air Sunday, September 24 at 12:30am, however, the IP's edits makes "Ken" the next episode. The IP also changes the dates to make it appear that the series is aired on Saturday instead of Sunday. Unfortunately, Adult Swim doesn't keep a good archive of their previous broadcast history, so it is hard to confirm dates when a week is skipped or there was a double episode. And given how Adult Swim structures their website, is next to impossible to archive. This does create a verifiability problem for past episodes. —Farix (t | c) 00:26, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually an attempt was done to reference the marathons on List of programs broadcast by Toonami so I put in those references to justify any skips in the schedule on the episode list. Hope that helps! AngusWOOF (barksniff) 01:11, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Unlimited number of English networks in infobox[edit]

So apparently when listing Japanese networks in the infobox we only list the original network that the anime premiered on. We don't list the Japanese networks that aired the anime sometime after the premiere. For example, in Dragon Ball Z's infobox we only list Fuji TV where the series premiered. We don't list other Japanese networks that aired the series after the premiere like NTV, TV Asahi, TBS and Animax. However when listing English networks we seem to list any/all English network that aired the series. In Dragon Ball Z's infobox all the English networks that aired the series are listed, from the English premiere in 1996 until the present. An even more ridiculous example is Pokémon's infobox: only TV Tokyo is listed as the Japanese network while there is a huge list of English networks. How is it that for a Japanese animated series we only list the premiere Japanese network while we can list an unlimited number of English networks? -- Wrath X (talk) 11:16, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Let's take this further. Why have English licensees, publishers, and networks listed at all in the infobox as they are not the original? This is one of the very few topic areas where the initial release information is accompanied by a later (English) release information. You really don't see it with films. You don't see that with other television series—especially British series that are rebroadcast in the US. You don't see it with books. The only other area you regularly see secondary release information are video games. —Farix (t | c) 18:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
If the infoboxes for films, TV series and books only list the original release then why not anime/manga?. The problem with listing English networks, publishers is that there is no limit. Many English networks will air the series and it will eventually bloat the infobox like Pokémon's. How do we prevent infobox bloat? Maybe if we only listed the English network the series premiered on. -- Wrath X (talk) 07:44, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think there is value in listing English-language networks for anime. The US, UK, and Australia each have their own television networks, so such lists are always fated to get overly bloated. Licensers and publishers may be active internationally and tend to hold on to an IP for a longer time. I can also imagine legal streaming sites becoming more consistent in the future, though that's still WP:CRYSTAL. Networks... I don't really see the point, honestly. For late 90s and early 2000s shows, this has some weight, with channels like the American Adult Swim having a large cultural impact. However, if a network has a large cultural impact, you can describe this in prose! ~Mable (chat) 08:18, 25 September 2017 (UTC)