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Tomorrow, 3340BC: the link to solar eclipse should actually go to solar eclipse and not just eclipse.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:45, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

D. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

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General discussion[edit]


Renaming the page[edit]

I think this page should be called the 'Front Page' as there is nothing 'Main' about it. opinions? (talk) 01:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

There's isn't anything 'front' about it either. (talk) 10:00, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps "Landing Page"?
Perhaps "Glad you made, stay a while page"? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
It IS the main page. If you click the icon on any page you come here.Correctron (talk) 05:39, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
We could call it The Front Page and provide a link to the eponymous flick. Shade.png Sca (talk) 21:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I see no practical benefit. It is like trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I personally don't care what it's called (surprised no one suggested "Home") as long as I get here the same way I always do. There are articles that need our help, and I think that's a more productive way to spend our time. That's my $0.02 Dcs002 (talk) 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Space for "In the news"[edit]

Just a quick query, sometimes ITN has to become the fall guy and remove items to balance the main page up, usually because DYK has created an imbalance. It's odd to me that ITN (usually) has by far the smallest section of the main page when it's most likely to be the section that attracts passers by. Currently, there are some editors rejecting perfectly newsworthy stories because ITN doesn't have the real estate to cope with the recent surge in successful nominations. Clearly it's not something ITN can handle locally as it impacts the balance of the main page (something which It think I've only ever seen ITN editors being concerned about, by the way). I'm not looking to upset the apple cart, but I'd be interested in hearing if we could get some kind of consensus to allow ITN to expand a bit, even if that means we expand the TFA blurb, OTD and DYK sections. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I've been known to drop an OTD item from time to time if it is exceedingly longer than ITN, in order to balance white space. --Jayron32 03:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
OTD definitely has sacrificed an item occasionally for balance in the past. I don't think it's been done recently (maybe once in the last year?), though. howcheng {chat} 00:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
It's a little unfair to say that only ITN is interested in the balance of the main page. A certain former TFA coordinator (cough) did his utmost to ensure that the number of characters in the TFA blurb did not vary greatly from day to day, precisely because this was the best way to ensure that the TFA section took up a relatively predictable amount of space. Of course, sometimes we had images and sometimes we did not, which added some variation in size, but otherwise I don't recall systemic problems. My understanding is that the present team of TFA coordinators also aim for consistency of length where possible. Sometimes ITN stories are long, sometimes they are short, and so there is inevitable variation there too. BencherliteTalk 00:21, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Hey The Rambling Man! I'm totally with you on this. (Nice change :) ) Bencherlite, I don't think Rambling Man is suggesting that ITN is the only group that tries to limit their content for overall balance. If I'm following him right, I think he's saying they wind up giving up space more often, or disproportionately. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)
I have never delved into editing or discussing the main page before, but I just want to say that the only thing I usually look at is ITN, and I look it over every time I open WP. On rare occasions I will look at TFA, but it is usually something that does not capture my interest. (That's not a criticism. I just have my own interests. I support the TFA section 100% because it shows the world the quality we are consistently producing.) On even rarer occasions I look over OTD and DYK, but only if I'm kinda bored, which is, well, very rare. When I come to WP, I have a purpose in mind, and it's not to look over nice-to-know stuff. Again, we should have that stuff, but this one user's primary use of main page content (and distraction from why I opened WP) is ITN. I am totally in favor of giving ITN more prominence. However, my primary use of the main page itself is to enter search terms to get somewhere else. Dcs002 (talk) 01:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I make the call on the length of the daily TFA column. Nowadays I work hard to aim for around 1150 characters (with rare exceptions), although if there's a Featured Topic, that adds at least two lines on screens of any width, so that adds some variation. So ... it's not just ITN people who care about this issue, I put a lot of effort into not jerking ITN around on column length, even though that constraint makes my job harder. If you guys need more consistency in TFA column length than you're getting, the way to do that would be for me to stop adding extra blank lines whenever there's a Featured Topic, and combine it with the "(Full article...)" notice. (I suggested that once before, and it was rejected on grounds of aesthetics. I don't care either way ... I'm just saying that if you need more consistency, that's the obvious way to do it.) Image captions also add some variability to TFA column length. I wouldn't be okay with upping the TFA character count to, say, 1500, just to give ITN more space ... 1150 works best. But you can always move the dividing line to the left, to give fewer characters on each TFA line and more characters on each ITN line. (Of course, that creates issues of where the dividing line is between DYK and OTD.) - Dank (push to talk) 16:21, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, well ITN seems to suffer the most, perhaps we could discuss the idea of making the main page a little longer so ITN could host, say, six or seven stories – DYK post 8 hooks every 12 hours and OTD blurbs are quite verbose, so it would be nice to allow the timely section of the main page a little more real estate. Is there a problem with extending the main page down a couple of text rows? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

TFA section "By email" link[edit]

I've been doing this thing for more than ten years and I've just noticed something called "By email" in the TFA section. Does this actually work, do we have statistics that suggest this is a helpful link? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Pinging list administrators Rjd0060 and Matthewrbowker who might be able to tell us how many live email addresses are subscribed? Stephen 23:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
The archives suggest the articles (well I think all content that is part of the list) are emailed everyday [1]. I haven't tried to subscribe but I presume the list is working properly as I'm fairly sure some of discussion lists host on the same server are used. Nil Einne (talk) 06:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I am subscribed to this and it is still active. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:45, 24 November 2015 (UTC).
Hi. Yes, the mailing list "works" as evidenced by the archives. It is advertised on the main page of this wiki, as well as the English Wiktionary and other sites. As of this writing there are 35,451 subscribers (!). If you have any other questions feel free to ask. Or better yet - subscribe! Rjd0060 (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Very helpful, thanks. I can't believe it's taken me over a decade to notice it....! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm astounded that so many people are signed up. Good to know, and obviously someone finds it useful! Modest Genius talk 13:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
People really do love the list. We get a lot of feedback. It has been growing year after year since I took it over back in October 2008. Rjd0060 (talk) 13:39, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks for your work with it. Modest Genius talk 12:42, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Really happy to hear that, Rjd, where can I find the feedback? - Dank (push to talk) 16:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Dank, it is non-public, unfortunately. The messages have a reply-to address which leads to an OTRS queue where I and a couple of other users monitor traffic. Rjd0060 (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for shouldering that workload, and let me know if there's anything I can do. - Dank (push to talk) 00:05, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

WP:VPT#Section-specific notifications[edit]

In today's TFA, I missed that someone added errors two hours before the deadline. (One was deleting "in 1924"; the other wasn't an error, really, it was adding a second Featured Topic that wasn't necessary, since it was contained in the other Featured Topic. Per the discussion two sections above, people like consistency in the length of the TFA column.) So I did some thinking about why I missed it, why I'm checking my watchlist less often than I used to ... and I think it's because, 99 times out of 100, edits to WP:ERRORS don't have anything to do with TFA. So I posted at the link above at Village Pump/Technical, asking if anyone knows of a way to code a bot to ping me when there's a change to just one section ... follow the link to see how far I got with that. I guess all I've got left is ... it would be really helpful if people who check ERRORS regularly would ping me (by adding [[User:Dank|]] or something) whenever there's a comment in the TFA section ... even if it's trivial, especially if it's trivial (because I need to know if I'm missing stuff, trivial or not). This probably won't be burdensome; there are few reports to ERRORS/TFA these days. I understand if no one is willing to do it, but if someone is, I'd be much obliged. - Dank (push to talk) 17:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

@Dank: - is this something that can be covered by an edit notice? Mjroots (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
It would have to be a section-specific edit notice (and I don't think those exist). TFA is a relatively small part of what goes on at ERRORS; I don't think TFA-specific instructions (particularly ones with a username attached) would be welcome. - Dank (push to talk) 22:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I got a ping just last night. (Thanks Jenks!) I've also submitted a bot request at WP:BOTREQ#Pinging when a "task" section is edited. If I don't get a response there, I'll start begging. This is a problem for anyone who frequently checks one small section of a busy page. - Dank (push to talk) 15:47, 29 November 2015 (UTC)