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Should it be written out as applications? (On a personal note, I still call them programs.) LA (T) @ 07:35, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Depends on context. If its software for mobile devices, it should remain "app[s]", because that's a term of art for that subset of platforms (and it also applies to a few other things, including Windows Metro apps, and Chrome/Chromium apps). For Windows, Mac OS, or Linux desktop (GUI) software, it should be the full word "application[s]" (or something more specific). For commandline software, the terms "program[s]" and "script[s]", as the specific case may be (or even more specific terms like "shell(s)", "daemon(s)", etc.), are more appropriate. No one calls usermod an "application" or an "app", unless they've only used Unix/Linux for, like, a day or two. :-) "Program[s]" can be used generically, as can "software", and (in the correct context) "code". And "scripts" can also apply to certain things in a GUI context, e.g. AppleScript.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  09:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Order of abbreviation and its full expansion[edit]

Resolved: Same issue as the thread above this.

Qualifier: I'm a fairly new/inexperienced editor.

So: I think it'd be nice for this page to explain where to use an abbreviation and where to use the full expanded version of the thing the abbreviation represents. For example, in most of the articles I've read, if there's an abbreviation, the first time around the full title is used and it's followed by the abbreviation in parentheses, and the rest of the article simply uses the abbreviation.

With that in mind, I've made this edit: . Can someone tell me what they think of this? Is it a good rule of thumb, and if so, can someone add it to this article?


--Nc4096 (talk) 10:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I think that's addressed now. Basically, it's a WP:COMMONNAME matter. If our article is at the acronym title, use the acronym first, then expand it. If it's at the full name, give the expansion, then the acronym. This seems to reflect current practice, anyway.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  08:48, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

PS: See also the thread immediately above this one; same answer, and that was decided at a Village Pump RfC, so I think we're good on this one. Going to mark it resolved as well, on that basis.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  08:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Merge discussion[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies#Section merge for proposed section merge of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Initials (the only human-naming matter I can find that is not in the guideline for that topic) into Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Names (the guideline, obviously, for that topic).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  05:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

MOS:ACRO and MOS:BOLD/MOS:BOLDTITLE for incoming redirects[edit]

See current discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Somewhat related discussion. Please comment there, not here. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:23, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Abbreviations in the lead of video game articles[edit]

Hi everyone,

@Izno: and I both edit video game related articles often. We can't seem to agree on a minor issue, and that is the introduction of abbreviations in the lead section. For those not familiar, video games are often referenced to by their abbreviations as a shorthand, especially online. So instead of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, gamers and game websites use abbreviations like loz: oot. Note that the abbreviation redirects to the article of Ocarina of Time. There are couple of these kind of abbreviations, like GTA V -> Grand Theft Auto V, TLoU -> The Last of Us, AoM -> Age of Mythology, LOTR: BFME2 -> The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II. Now, on the WikiProject Video games, I've tried to reach some consensus on this several times, but without any luck. To be perfectly clear, I personally don't think we should use these abbreviations; Wikipedia is written for a large audience and video game websites (which we use as reliable sources) write for people familiar with video games. We haven't found a middle ground as of yet, but I thought of a different solution: what if we would use {{efn}} in the lead? We could mention the abbreviation in a note, so it still is mentioned but without it appearing in the lead. Does this comply with WP's general abbreviation guidelines? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I would efn any abbreviation that is common in user forums, but when there is a common industry use of an abbreviation that appears regularly in articles, that should be included in the lede. Grand Theft Auto as GTA or Call of Cuty as COD are two strong examples of the last, while I'd argue that something like TLoU is more a forum term and shouldn't be included. If anything, the industry-common term examples are likely more exceptional, and we should default to efn any that aren't clearly used regularly in industry. --MASEM (t) 16:41, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Abbreviations still need to be sourced. We don't have user reviews for reception sections or link to user-submitted websites either, so why should we start making an exemption for the abbreviation? Besides, if a reliable source actually uses it, then we can confirm it is in fact commonly used. And concerning TLoU, Kotaku uses it quite often. And that's the whole thing, for WP:CONSISTENCY we can't have it both ways; either we do mention AoM, KotOR, COD, ROTT, GoW or we don't. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Agreed, but more stringently: {{efn}} any abbreviation used prominently by reliable, secondary sources. (If an abbreviation is prominent, it should have a definitive source.) czar 17:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
I personally really dislike such abbreviations. I refer to Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time as Ocarina of Time and I refer to Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas as San Andreas, but using initialisms always just confuse me... However, I suppose I'm with Czar here: if reliable sources use them, we can use them within reason, at least as an alternative name. ~Mable (chat) 19:14, 10 March 2016 (UTC)