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Other transcription systems - homonym[edit]

The examples of using words for pronouncing are not consistent using italics or quotes, both in the MOS and in the articles, i.e.:

So do we agree on the preferred:

  1. style: double quotes vs italic: say italic pronounced as razor, (which is also consistent with italics created by {{Respell}})
  2. location before/after IPA (say after IPA)
  3. use quotes in the MOS to show this style for clarity Widefox; talk 14:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Other article examples that were double quotes but I've changed to italics:

  • javac javac (pronounced java-see)
  • SPDY SPDY (pronounced "speedy")

Widefox; talk 21:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Do we care? MOS:WAW says either can be used; I think the default is italics, but it depends on the context; if the material is already italics-heavy for other reasons, prefer quotation marks.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  13:26, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
That's my understanding too. The examples are already in the MOS, so seems that we do.
Does anyone object to clarifying the MOS for the current examples and their articles to consistently use italics, with exception examples of double quoted examples for italic heavy context? Widefox; talk 12:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't in theory, I guess it would depend on the exact edit. Could you take the quoted version and do a mockup of the changes?  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  14:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
I took the bold step of clarifying and fixing the current examples in the MOS directly, and making the articles in those examples consistent. There's a couple of unresolved inconsistencies that I html commented. I don't have an example for using double quotes, and agree that should be worked out here. Widefox; talk 14:07, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Seems reasonable enough. I reformatted it a bit, code wise, e.g. to stop monospacing the output examples. Use of the "indent to get <pre>...</pre> effect" trick is not a universal tool.  :-)  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  17:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes that looks better. I'm more used to the example style in WP:MOSDAB which is very consistent. In this MOS, the example style could be made more consistent which would help. Regards Widefox; talk 22:58, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Many of these pages need considerable work in multiple ways.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  05:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Italic makes the word hard to distinguish from a respelling. It should be quotes to indicate it's a word as a word and not some artificial representation of a pronunciation. Nardog (talk) 11:27, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll buy that.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  12:57, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

RfC: remove Respell (pronunciation) from Infobox element[edit]