Wikipedia talk:Stand-alone lists

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RfC: Notes for Feature Column headings[edit]

I would like to propose creating a category in the Style guide to address the selection and description of Feature columns in List of... and Comparison of... articles.

Consider this counter-example of a problematic article: Comparison of web conferencing software In the referenced article, many Feature columns do not have an explanation, making it impossible to determine whether checkmarks are given using the same criteria for each list entry, or whether each contributing editor uses the same criteria. Lacking an explanation makes Feature columns impossible to interpret for the reader. e.g. What does 'Security Access' mean, and what is implied if a conferencing service has, or does not have it?

Proposed addition:

  • Features
    • Any Feature may be tagged as unclear, and in need of definition.
    • Feature definitions may be footnoted below the table.
    • Feature definitions should be specific enough to prevent arguments about whether a list item deserves or does not deserve a checkmark for that feature.

-- User:slaurel (talk) 17:06, 1 Feb 2017 (UTC)

Unclear policy about list notability[edit]

This guideline is clear as to how to determine what goes on a list, but how you know if the list itself is notable? What is a valid reason for deleting a list?--Mr. Guye (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

List of Republic Records artists[edit]

I don't think artists should need notability to be listed on a list that lists people on their record label. The fact they they were signed is objective. I am trying to add Stanaj on this list with a source that is from Republic themselves saying he was signed to their label. Why should we purposely make this objective list incomplete due to lack of notability?--Stanajj (talk) 11:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Every article in the list must have an article in the English Wikipedia asserting notability through reliable sources. -- Alexf(talk) 11:58, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Since when? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Alexf's "the list" looks to refer to the Republic Records list, not all lists. I understand the confusion (presuming there's confusion), however, because this thread belongs on the list's talk page, which is completely empty. @Stanajj: most lists require notability for list items because of, for example, all the things Wikipedia is not (like a record label's catalog). That doesn't always mean a stand-alone article is necessary, but it usually does, especially when it's a list of people. Ultimately while we have guidelines like WP:CSC, WP:LISTBIO, etc. it's up to the editors on that talk page whether it will be comprehensive or only notable examples. It looks like many editors have been going by the latter, so the next step would be trying to persuade them on the talk page. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
As an aside, Stanajj, since the artist in question is the same as your name, and since it doesn't look like anyone has mentioned this so far, you may want to read WP:COI and WP:PROMO. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I know he isn't a mainstream artist yet but that doesn't mean I am promoting him for just wanting to mention him. I am not him, nor am I close to him, I'm just a fan.-Stanajj (talk) 15:32, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Alexf's assertion is purely false, goes against the SAL guideline and isn't something that an experienced admin should be claiming. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Again, Alexf looks to be talking about List of Republic Records artists, and generalizing is only going to confuse. Stanajj made the mistake of taking the dispute here rather than that list's talk page. We most definitely allow individual lists to set inclusion criteria that restrict entries to subjects with extant articles. If that's the case on the list in question, again, it's just confusing to make it seems like it's not allowed somehow. It's certainly not the case that, by default, a list includes everything that exists. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Even if that's the case, his assertion is still false. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)