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Remove line[edit]

"Although there are some extreme cases, for instance Herman Brusselmans' early 2006 short story would rather get The Dollarsigns in the Eyes of Mother Theresa (short story) as a page name, than without the qualifier." I think this line should be removed, I se no reason why this would be a qualified name, unless there is a well known play, poem or documentary of the same name. Rich Farmbrough, 07:55 22 April 2007 (GMT).

OK removed. Rich Farmbrough, 11:50 24 April 2007 (GMT).


Changing "Bibliographies" section[edit]

REFERRED ELSEWHERE:

Referred to Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:58, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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We have ongoing RM discussion at Talk:Woody Allen bibliography. Some suggest rewriting the section to reflect current prevalence of "person's name bibliography". Are there problems with current revision? If so, what change shall we propose? --George Ho (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd wait a couple of days, but if no one (else) responds (as I suspect may happen), I'd advise just being bold and revise the guideline to include "[Person name] bibliography"-type article title cases. --IJBall (contribstalk) 21:03, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
I think you'll need an RFC for this - it will affect a lot of articles. There is no current prevalance for "person's name bibliography" when the bibliography is about the subject as George suggests. Also, we still need to differentiate between bibliographies about the subject and bibliographies by the subject in some way. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:09, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
That said, "List of works about subject" might work. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I think the "Bibliographies" section is unworkable, and should be removed. No guidance on the matter is better than this. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:49, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

There are two versions of "Bibliographies" section: previous version and current version. If neither version is working, what is your proposal for the section? --George Ho (talk) 00:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

  • None. A Wikipedia bibliography page is not an article on a book in the sense of this guideline. There's a WikiProject about bibliography pages that agreed on some guidance on the subject: sort it out with them. Not something this page should say anything about, because, as said, it is not within its scope (when, but I don't know of any example in this sense, a Wikipedia article is about a separate bibliography published as a book, of course the NCB guideline applies, like it applies for Schubert Thematic Catalogue but there also nothing specific needs to be mentioned in the guideline) --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I have just noticed that Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies recommends Topical bibliographies where the topic is a person should be named: Bibliography of works on John Doe. This eliminates confusion with John Doe bibliography which lists works by John Doe (an author bibliography). --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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Mixed topical and author bibliographies: Some biblliographies contain both works written by the author and works about the author written by others. (...)

The Richard Nixon bibliography includes publications by Former President Richard Nixon and books and articles about him and his policies.

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None of this is however a problem of WP:NCB, as said, better to sort it out with the project guys. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Rob, while that solution isn't horrible, it strikes me as somewhat inelegant, and less than the kind of precision and conciseness we want in an article title. Is there some other way we can get across the same idea in a less wordy fashion?! I still think "Bibliography on [person]" is a better way to go here... It seems to me like the best solution involves some combination of "Bibliography of [person]" (when those works are written by the person), "Bibliography on [person]" (for those bibliographies about a person, but not written by them), and "[Persion] bibliography (for bibliographies that contain both works by the person, and by other people?...). Is this workable?... --IJBall (contribstalk) 16:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't think that's grammatically correct, but I would happily defer to someone who knows more than me! Anyway, it seems the guideline has been removed here, so perhaps conversation should be continued at WT:WikiProject Bibliographies. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
The only other "concise" variation that I can come up with would be "Bibliography about [person]". Short of that, then you're probably stuck with some variation of "Bibliography of works on [person]" or "Bibliography on the subject of [person]", etc., which while less concise, may be more precise. --IJBall (contribstalk) 20:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Smith[edit]

At some point we'll need a proper discussion about (Smith novel) (Lennon song). There has not yet been one. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)