Wikipedia talk:No original research

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Terminology and WP:Synthesis[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Slut-shaming#Scope. A WP:Permalink for it is here. The matter concerns whether or not we should stick to sources that use the term slut-shaming and if not doing so can be a WP:Synthesis violation. How do we judge what is on-topic or is not synthesis if sources don't use the term slut-shaming? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The matter is now an RfC: Talk:Slut-shaming#RfC: Is it WP:Synthesis to use sources that do not identify the topic as slut-shaming to make claims about slut-shaming?. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

RfC: Placing films in the Category:Films about hebephilia[edit]

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Category talk:Films about hebephilia#RfC: Should films be removed if not based on reliable sources or not fitting the hebephilia definition?. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Transcription of English audio[edit]

A Wikipedia editor, User:Rms125a@hotmail.com, said that one of my contributions counted as undue weight and original research in their edit summary. Their edit summary was "rv as OR and UNDUE" in this edit. For the undue weight part of that editor's claim, less of Garcia's quotes could be included to only keep the most relevant parts, but I was wondering about the original research part of that editor's claim. Specifically, I was wondering if transcribing English audio from YouTube videos into written English counted as original research when the audio is the English words of the person themselves in the case of Mikey Garcia or an English translation of their message by their translator in the case of Ruslan Provodnikov. I was also wondering if stating obvious things that happens in a video counts as original research. For example, to give context to a quote by Garcia I mentioned that Garcia was looking over a strawberry field in the video when he said the quote, "You know I know this, this where my dad, worked.", and I also gave context to a quote by Garcia when I mentioned that Garcia pretended to pick strawberries in the field before standing up in the video and saying "Back-breaking work man'". Were these contextual descriptions that framed the relevant quotes the original research and not the transcription of the English audio or were these contextual descriptions also not original research, because they were describing obvious things that happened in the video in order to give context for the quotes?--Ephert (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

It's not original research to transcribe information from an audio source, so long as the audio is a reliable source, and so long as the passage isn't out of context in a way that creates a meaning in the Wikipedia article that wasn't intended in the source. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
It's definitely undue; there's no reason to add a long quote like that. As for it being OR, if you took the quote from text (a book or website, etc.) then the quote could be verified against the text. In this case, we'd have to agree that your transcription is correct. If it's a translation, what if there's dispute between what the subject actually says in their native tongue and what the translator says? You claim Garcia was bending over to pick strawberries; that's definitely OR because now it gets into how the content is subjectively seen. No Wikipedian is allowed to do that. I could make a case that claiming "2+2=4" is OR if you don't have a source to prove it. What you say is "describing obvious things that happened in the video in order to give context" is inappropriate. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Chris, if you look at the video cited, then you'll see that at 7:34, Garcia bends over to pick strawberries. There is absolutely no question about this ---- absolutely no other way to interpret what happens; using your eyeballs is not OR. As you also quite rightly say, it's definitely undue weight, and I'd thoroughly endorse the decision to revert the edit on those grounds alone, but the OR argument isn't really tenable.—S Marshall T/C 23:24, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
My Spidey-sense tingled a little which made me suspect at least some portion of the text in question is/was UNDUE and OR, but I concede that OR may not be applicable and withdraw that. If a consensus merges that I am also wrong re UNDUE, by all means restore the text in question. Yours, Quis separabit? 03:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

It's always difficult to distinguish what's OR / Udue. It requires epic judgemental approach.