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Not receiving any notification[edit]

As of late, I have not been receiving any notifications for any thanks/pings/edit reverts [e.g. [1], the few pings here, [2] [3]] i.e. everything except for messages on my talk page. I checked notification settings in preferences and everything seems to be in order there. – FrB.TG (talk) 10:51, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: You are probably one of those affected by the bug discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 160#Not receiving pings. Search for "you can work around the issue by making a change to your preferences" in that thread and you may be able to put things right for yourself. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:05, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
@John of Reading: "@FrB.TG You are.." That made chuckle a bit. Anyways thanks for the link. It seems things are working again. – FrB.TG (talk) 13:03, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
@FrB.TG: Joined up thinking, that's me! -- John of Reading (talk) 13:04, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I am also having this issue, and the Village Pump section referenced above does not seem to exist anymore. KingSupernova (talk) 19:23, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
@KingSupernova: It was archived some time ago. I've fixed the link above. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
@KingSupernova: The issue in that section was fixed long ago. Your problem is more likely to be a wrong expectation about what should cause notifications, but it's impossible to say when you don't identify the events. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
PrimeHunter I receive username mentions, but not changes to any page I'm watching, reversions of my edits, or responses to my comments on a talk page. KingSupernova (talk) 05:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
@KingSupernova: You should receive notifications as follows: notifications of reverts to your edits if you've selected that option in Preferences - Notifications (but not if the revert was done by manual editing); emails informing of changes to pages on your watchlist if you've selected that option in Preferences - User profile; notifications of responses to your talk page comments only if the person responding remembers to ping you or link to your username in the same edit that they add their signature: Noyster (talk), 10:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Right. Identify the events means to be specific like posting a link to the edit if it's an edit. It's still impossible to say whether anything is wrong but I'm more certain now that you just have wrong expectations. Watchlist notifications don't even exist, except by mail and not a part of the notifications feature. And notifications about responses to comments without a mention don't exist at the English Wikipedia (some wikis use other software for discussions). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Am I pinging?[edit]

Often I reply to someone on a talk page—and, in particular, on my user talk page— and then realize after saving my reply that I forgot to ping the person. If I go back and insert a {{ping}} at the beginning of my post, is the user getting pinged?

If I do include the ping from the beginning, but my reply is more than a single paragraph, and my signature is at the end, is the ping not being sent because the signature isn't on the same "line" as the ping tag? What is a "line" for this purpose? Largoplazo (talk) 16:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

The answer to your first question is no. The second may be slightly more complicated, but generally yes. See Notifications#Triggering events and mw:Manual:Echo#Technical details. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
@Largoplazo:
You can split it over several lines.
Like this.
But the user page link (or an equivalent template such as {{replyto}}) and the signature must both be on a newly-added line, not on pre-existing lines.
It all has to be done in the same post, you cannot go back and add in the user page link (or template) in a subsequent edit, that simply won't work.
I suggest that you go to Preferences → Notifications, and ensure that "Successful mentions" is enabled. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:06, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
@David Biddulph:, @Redrose64: Thanks! Largoplazo (talk) 22:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
@David Biddulph:, @Redrose64: Trying this again after changing my settings: Thanks! Largoplazo (talk) 22:15, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

disabling the bell & rectangle[edit]

Are there any scripts or hacks that will disable or prevent rendering of the bell and rectangle icons between my username and the link to my talk-page at the top of the Wikipedia interface? — fourthords | =Λ= | 18:08, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Fourthords: add the following to Special:Mypage/common.css:
#pt-notifications-alert,
#pt-notifications-notice{display: none;}
--Ahecht (TALK
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A-ha! Thanks so much! Is this information listed somewhere that I might just've missed it? This won't propagate across Wikimedia (or even different Wikipedia languages) projects though, will it? — fourthords | =Λ= | 18:29, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
In general, if you want to hide something, right-click on it in your browser and choose "inspect element" and then look for the item's ID or it's class. You can then put the item ID (preceeded by a #) or its class (preceeded by a .), and follow it with {display: none;} to hide it via CSS. You will likely have to do this for each wiki -- I don't know of a way to set a global-crosswiki css file short of using a browser plugin such as greasemonkey. --Ahecht (TALK
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) 18:37, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
I gotcha. Thanks again! — fourthords | =Λ= | 18:45, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
You can use m:Special:MyPage/global.css to set it across all WMF sites. ~ Amory (utc) 19:28, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
That's very very awesome! Thanks so much! — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikimania 2018 wiki[edit]

This does not appear to be enabled on the Wikimania wiki. Can this be done? · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:22, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

It is enabled there. What makes you think it is not? I thanked a random edit by you. Were you notified? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Fatal exception of type "InvalidArgumentException"[edit]

I cannot read my notifications. The bell has a number (currently 4). If i click on it, it says I have no messages, but if i show all or open in a new tab i get an error like:

Internal Error
[WsZsqQpAAD8AADbK9ogAAACN] 2018-04-05 18:36:26: Fatal exception of type "InvalidArgumentException"

or

Internal Error
[WsZsswpAMFMAAIWUM9wAAABM] 2018-04-05 18:36:35: Fatal exception of type "InvalidArgumentException"

Restarting my browser doesn't help. Checking on a different browser on a different computer also yields similar results. How can I fix this? Nessie (talk) 18:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@NessieVL: Thanks for the bug-report, that helped. There's a bug for this that is being worked on now at high-priority, tracked at phab:T191335. It cannot be fixed at our (editor) end. I'll let you know if that changes. Thanks again. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thanks @Quiddity (WMF):. It looks to be working now, atleast On my phone Nessie (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Echo isn't obvious enough[edit]

I recently attended Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh/ArtandFeminism2018CMOA. Many new users seemingly remained oblivious of echo. I think this should be disabled by default for new editors as well as IPs and replaced with {{OBOD}}. I am horrified, generally, at how easily humanity ignores signs. This is another case where the notification does not do enough to grab attention, especially when warnings are being handed out. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:20, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Good idea. --NeilN talk to me 20:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Don't know if it still works like this but a few months ago, a new user on registering an account would be sent an automatic Welcome message, but could access it only if they noticed a "1" in a little red box at the top of their screen, and knew to click on it – but they're new, and unlikely to be aware of the notification system: Noyster (talk), 21:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
I like Echo; it works well for me. More than once I've seen new editors at edit-a-thons and I've been amazed with how much they ignore. While writing a new article, editors seem to only read what's in the edit section and see no writing or indicators above or below it. I think we assume that editors are paying attention to what we provide them when I think their attention is very closely bounded to what they edit. Instruction to new editors also seems to focus too much on the buttonology of editing and not enough on community norms or stuff like notifications. I sent out welcomes to the edit-a-thon participants but I have doubts they ever read them, if they even know they have a user talk page. The Orange Bar of Doom did much more for getting attention. While performing countervandalism, I get the impression that many don't understand there's a problem until they're blocked. Only then (they say) they see the multiple warnings on their talk pages. I doubt admins want to block new editors just to get their attention. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Welcoming new users[edit]

According to this edit by SkyGazer 512 (talk · contribs), 'As soon as you've created an account, you will get a "Welcome" notification saying, "Welcome to Wikipedia, [User]! We're glad you're here.' Although this is not a talk page message, this surely goes against community consensus, see WP:FDB#Bots to welcome users and WP:PEREN#Use a bot to welcome new users. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia, SkyGazer 512 being welcomed by a notice.png
@Redrose64: That is (or was) indeed correct as of January. I remember vividly me getting the welcome message, and it is clearly stated on the MediaWiki article as well. I also tracked down my earliest notifications, and as you can see from the following picture, I definitely got the welcome notice when my account was created. However, it is always possible that this has been changed since then. --SkyGazer 512 What will you say? / What did I do? 19:35, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
I reverted the change but on reflection I may be wrong. I think the WMF started an A/B test a few months ago where they sent such notifications to some users and not others, then did mini research projects trying to work out whether the notifications had a beneficial effect. I can't find information on that at the moment. At any rate, it would be better if any addition was based on a document from the WMF because they try things and then stop them. Perhaps related to Wikipedia:Community health initiative on English Wikipedia. Johnuniq (talk) 00:39, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Agree, it would be good if we were told these things. We try to help new users and have no idea what has already been offered to them, still less have we any community input into this vital onboarding process: Noyster (talk), 07:43, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Page review e-mail notifications bug[edit]

Even though I’ve disabled them, I still get e-mail messages saying that a page that I created has been “changed” when it’s reviewed. I don’t get e-mail messages saying that my pages have been reviewed anymore, but I do get e-mail messages saying that they’ve been changed. I’m aware that this is not about the article, but I’m not sure where else to report this bug or ask for help about this. Interqwark talk contribs 12:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)