Wikipedia talk:ProveIt

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Additional Citation Style 1 Templates[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if there is a roadmap to add support for additional CS1 Templates - I'm personally interested in seeing a "Report" template equivalent to {{Cite report}} added. -Furicorn (talk) 19:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Furicorn: There is no roadmap for this right now, but it should be possible to add support for this and any other citation templates by just adding it to the list of templates at MediaWiki:Gadget-ProveIt.js --Sophivorus (talk) 15:58, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Template:Cite episode[edit]

When editing any ref following this template, ProveIt does not seem to recognise many fields listed here such as "authors". I hope someone can do something about this. --Kailash29792 (talk) 05:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: This is probably because "authors" is not in the TemplateData of Template:Cite episode. If you add "authors" and any other missing parameters to the TemplateData of the template, ProveIt (and other services) will recognize them. --Sophivorus (talk) 15:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Per the template's documentation: authors: Free-form list of author names; use of this parameter is discouraged. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Flip Last & First[edit]

Due to inconsistencies on OCLC or elsewhere, the entries returned for |last= & |first= are often returned the wrong way around. A button to flip them around would be a great time saver. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Cabayi: Could you share a screenshot and/or a faulty OCLC so that we may reproduce the issue? Thanks! --Sophivorus (talk) 15:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Sophivorus, Now you ask for it I can't find one from OCLC but all the ISBNs I've checked have come back with reversed first & last names, 978-1771602891, 0963564226, and 9780807861325. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 16:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Cabayi, I created an enhancement report at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T214061 but I can't promise I'll take care right away. However, I'm evaluating the possibility of requesting another grant to take care of this and many other requests and bugs. --Sophivorus (talk) 17:15, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Time in access date[edit]

Starting today, the access date field is being populated with the time also in ISO 8601 format, but citation templates can't handle those values. Could someone revert that change, please? Thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

A link to an example diff is always helpful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Here is a diff of me manually fixing this annoying problem just now. I have had to do this several times just in the past few hours and I'd also like it fixed. IntoThinAir (talk) 19:25, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Yeah I didn't have a diff because I kept manually deleting the time before saving it. howcheng {chat} 21:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
An urgent bug has been filed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:54, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
This problem is reportedly Fixed as of about three hours ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:39, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Journal citation generator not working[edit]

When I now try to use ProveIt to generate a citation template for a journal article by entering the DOI, URL, or anything else, it no longer fills in any of the parameters like it used to. Instead, it now just fills in the URL with the URL of the paper but with a "captcha challenge" added to the end. IntoThinAir (talk) 03:33, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

@IntoThinAir: I just tried with https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16961 (DOI 10.1038/nature16961) and had no trouble. Is this still an issue for you? --Sophivorus (talk) 15:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

References and templates not loading[edit]

I was in the process of using the tool today to add a reference. When trying to add, I noticed none of the other references on the article were loading. When trying to paste in a new URL to add, none of the templates "cite web, cite news, etc" were loading either. Is this a common error? Red Director (talk) 18:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Having the same issue. No templates available and the list of existing references is 0. SunnyLetO (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Also noticed this. It has been useless for a few days because of this. - R9tgokunks 21:17, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
I forgot how to manually do citations.. someone please fix this!--☾Loriendrew☽ (ring-ring) 00:05, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Started a bug report (see tracking link)--☾Loriendrew☽ (ring-ring) 00:16, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the bug report. After some research, it looks like the cause is phab:T213953 which is tagged as "Unbreak now!". Let's give the team a bit more time to fix it. --Sophivorus (talk) 02:27, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Looks like the gadget is working now. Thanks to all that worked on it! Red Director (talk) 22:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Anyone else running into trouble again? I can't get it to load. Snickers2686 (talk) 18:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
The add button does not work for me. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

cite wikisource[edit]

Hi, I couldnot find the cite wikisource template in the prove it gadget. Is it possible to add them too? -- Balaji (Let's talk) 18:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Disabling or at least changing automatic edit summaries[edit]

I tried using this bit of code on my JavaScript page, having found it in the archives:

proveit.shouldAddSummary = false;

Being a good boy, I had gone looking to make sure I wasn't beating a dead horse by starting a new thread on this topic, but it seems this code did not work, at least not the way I thought it did. If it can't be disabled, can we at least change it? Right now it just says a reference was "edited" with ProveIt, but this implies an existing reference was changed via ProveIt, without implying whether a new one altogether were added yet both are possible with ProveIt. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 22:08, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Add button[edit]

Although the template now works, I cannot add new references via ProveIt. Only edit existing ones, which is not enough. Is there anything being done about this? --Kailash29792 (talk) 07:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I too have found this, I just tried to add a tweet as a reference to Danniella Westbrook, when I clicked on "add" nothing happened. Had to copy and paste the template manually. In case it helps I'm editing using a Samsung Chromebook. Kailash29792 are you also using Chrome or another operating system?-- 5 albert square (talk) 14:41, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, Chrome is my primary browser. Now the add button works erratically. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Well, I just tried it just now and sometimes just the "add" button wouldn't work. Other times that didn't work and it didn't pick up that there were other references either. I've installed the classic ProveIt now and that seems to be working - the only trouble is that's outdated. It doesn't have anything like cite tweet etc.-- 5 albert square (talk) 19:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
MaxVeers tagging you in this as you're the team lead for ProveIt.-- 5 albert square (talk) 19:30, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
@Kailash29792 and 5 albert square: I'm looking into it. I think it may actually be related to changes in the TemplateData API. I requested permissions to be able to edit the gadget code, as my previous permissions expired. Support would be useful, thanks! Sophivorus (talk) 19:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
@Sophivorus: it looks like you have a response on that page!-- 5 albert square (talk) 21:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@5 albert square and Kailash29792: Well I got the global interface permission and I fixed an issue that seems to have been the cause of the Add button bug. However I'm not 100% sure as I was getting this bug only erratically. Please confirm with your own experience and let me know. Cheers! --Sophivorus (talk) 17:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Now I am able to add refs normally, but ProveIt shows List (0) whenever I try to edit a section that contains refs using {{cite episode}} and {{cite tweet}}. --Kailash29792 (talk) 18:16, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Works ok for me but I only used template citenews. Can't confirm if the others work ok.-- 5 albert square (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Grant to enhance the gadget[edit]

I just requested a rapid grant to enhance the gadget. The general reasons are explained there, but I'd like to mention that part of the time will be spent in doing the fixes and enhancements you request here. Please feel free to add any comments, questions, requests and endorsements, thanks! --Sophivorus (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to request the gadget be expanded to include all existing Citation Style 1 templates. It would also be awesome if there was somehow a built-in functionality to auto-archive a url to wayback machine and archive.today. I have a browser plugin to do that right now, but I mostly use it when editing sources with ProveIt. -Furicorn (talk) 19:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@Sophivorus: any thoughts on the enhancement for built-in archiving functionality? -Furicorn (talk) 04:19, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
@Furicorn: Definitely doable, if the grant gets approved (thanks for the support, btw). I can imagine a button next to the URL fields (similar to the "Today" button in date fields, that changes a URL for it's latest version in the WayBack machine. Sounds good? Sophivorus (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
@Sophivorus: No worries, happy to help you help me! I think your suggestion is a fine place to start, but I was thinking something more like this add-on: it adds a button to my browser that lets me archive a page in its current state. It would be great if I could save a step and archive directly from within Wikipedia. Even better would be if (similar to the add-on) it could also look at archive.is in cases where the link is dead and Wayback Machine doesn't have a save. -Furicorn (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi! It seems like the evaluator misunderstood the grant proposal, rejected it out of said misunderstanding, and now ignores all clarifications given on the grant talk page. For anyone interested in seeing this grant granted, you may want to check it out. Cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Cite news and cite magazine[edit]

Is it possible to make the fields "authorlink", "archiveurl", "archivedate" and "deadurl" readily available in cite news as it is in cite web? Also, the field "chapter" must be removed from cite magazine as it is not recognised by the template's documentation.--Kailash29792 (talk) 04:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Function request - Integrate with Reference Tooltips[edit]

It would really be great to add ProveIt to Reference Tooltips. I'll explain what I mean by describing the desired user experience.

A. To prevent abuse, have this option disabled by default B. Logged in users can turn it on from preferences, and then.... C. QUESTION... if edit mode has an editing window, what do we call "reading mode"? Well I'll use "reading window" to continue... D. In the reading window, if I hover over a reference footnote, I tooltips appears. E. I would like a button in the tooltips pop that would

1. Flip to edit mode
2. Automatically go to the reference
3. Automatically open the proveit window for that reference
4. It would be really nice if there were also a way to save changes and go back to the reading window where I left off, but that might be asking for the moon.

NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

ProveIt reverses author order from PLOS one[edit]

Hi,

Using ProveIt with URL https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0213314 produces

Glaw, Frank; Vences, Miguel; Crottini, Angelica; Roberts, Sam Hyde; Glos, Julian; Ndriantsoa, Serge H.; Rödel, Mark-Oliver; Riemann, Jana C.; Rakotoarison, Andolalao (2019-03-27). "Morphological and ecological convergence at the lower size limit for vertebrates highlighted by five new miniaturised microhylid frog species from three different Madagascan genera". PLOS ONE. 14 (3): e0213314. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0213314. ISSN 1932-6203.

which reverses the author order for authors 3 to 11 and drops the first 2

Hi I removed your <ref> tags so it shows the reversal your trying to demonstrate, and doesn't throw the references to the bottom of the talk page. -Furicorn (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Newystats I also took a look at your issue, I think your problem is not with ProveIt. ProveIt just fills in {{Cite journal}}, so I think the bug is with {{Cite journal}}. Help talk:Citation Style 1 is a better place to mention this bug, although I don't know how responsive they are. -Furicorn (talk) 09:17, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
The cite journal template is rendering correctly here. If ProveIt is omitting listed authors and putting others in the wrong order, it is likely that there is a bug in ProveIt or that the data it is being fed is formatted incorrectly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:11, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:Cite episode[edit]

Sophivorus, whenever I load this template via ProveIt, it only shows too fields readily: "series" and "source date". Is it possible to make other fields like "episode title", "episode article", "series article", "network", "season number" and "episode number" too readily available? Whenever citing an episode as a source, these particular fields are necessary to fill. --Kailash29792 (talk) 12:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: I think the reason only two show up is because ProveIt reads the TemplateData as entered. You can see the TemplateData if you scroll to the bottom of Template:Cite episode. It looks like whoever setup the template data only marked two fields as required, and none as suggested. I tried editing it for you to make the ones you mentioned "suggested": true, but I kept getting JSON errors when I previewed it. You might have to ask for help on the talk page for that template, or on Wikipedia talk:TemplateData. -Furicorn (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

How do I switch references from one to another easily?[edit]

As the title refers. Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Suggested wording change[edit]

Reference(s) edited with ProveIt instead of "Reference edited with ProveIt". I often add/edit more than one reference when I use the tool. WanderingWanda (talk) 04:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, I feel there shouldn't even be an edit summary saying something like "Reference(s) edited with ProveIt". Because there is always "Tag: ProveIt edit" whenever you make an edit with the gadget. --Kailash29792 (talk) 04:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I agree. It just makes for a wordier, less readable summary. But if this text is added, please also include a space before it. RockMagnetist(talk) 16:06, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I agree that the edit summary is generally useless. It can be removed on a per-wiki basis by deleting the proveit-summary config option in the initialization script. I can do that if no one opposes. However, I just noticed that the "Tag: ProveIt edit" links to meta:Grants:IEG/Enhance the ProveIt gadget but should probably link to Wikipedia:ProveIt. That I cannot change myself and we should request a fix to an authorized user. Agree? Sophivorus (talk) 13:59, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Certainly. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

oclc, worldcat, |location=, |place=[edit]

This edit created this:

{{Cite book |url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/959610992 |title=Archaeology and Homeric epic |last=Sherratt |first=Susan |last2=Bennet |first2=John |publisher=Oxbow Books |year=2017 |isbn=9781785702969 |location=Oxford |pages=127 |oclc=959610992 |place=Oxford}}
Sherratt, Susan; Bennet, John (2017). Archaeology and Homeric epic. Oxford: Oxbow Books. p. 127. ISBN 9781785702969. OCLC 959610992. More than one of |location= and |place= specified (help)

In cs1|2, |location= and |place= are synonymous aliases. As the error message shows, having both in the same citation is not allowed.

When a cs1|2 template has |oclc=, setting |url= to point at the same oclc identifier is redundant. |url= should link to free-to-read sources; WorldCat urls rarely if ever, link to free-to-read sources. Yeah, from WorldCat is is sometimes possible to link to a Google books preview of a book but that can also be done through Special:BookSources/<isbn> (which also includes a link to WorldCat).

Please refrain from adding synonymous parameters and from adding WorldCat urls to |url=.

Trappist the monk (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Correct date format for Month Year.[edit]

When citing an academic paper, like doi:10.1016/j.ijpharm.2017.02.063 it gets Month Year in this format: 2017-4

Wikipedia currently doesn't support it, see it here: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Dates,_months,_and_years

I would suggest to be written: May 2017, or abbreviated when needed, like Sep, Oct, Nov, etc.

Arthurfragoso (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Automatic retrieve other information: PMID, PMC, ISSN and publisher.[edit]

I don't know how you retrieve information, but most medical and biochemical articles have a PMID, and some have a PMC.

Provided a DOI number, it's possible to get the other IDs at: [1]

Usually the .ris file provided by Google Scholar usually also contains the ISSN and the publisher.

I also found this API: https://api.altmetric.com/v1/doi/10.1007/s00424-017-2061-4

The problem is what could be done when two ISSN is resulted? We assign only the first?

But automatically retrieving just PMID and PMC would already be great!

Thanks!

Arthurfragoso (talk) 22:46, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I looked at the code, and probably it's better to ask citoid for that, so I did: [2]Arthurfragoso (talk) 03:10, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

It's now fixed the the Wikipedia retrieving from NIH servers. Enjoy! :) —Arthurfragoso (talk) 22:02, 10 July 2019 (UTC)