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Application of MOS:NOPIPE and WP:NOTBROKEN[edit]

Because this talk page is relevant to WP:NOTBROKEN but I want to keep this in one discussion, please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking#Application of MOS:NOPIPE and WP:NOTBROKEN. Thank you. Dustin (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

All you have to do is replace the redirect with an article and that's it. No spending time looking for links to the redirect or target page. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


Just wrote an essay on printability (printworthiness) at:

Maybe another step toward a guideline? Face-glasses.svg – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX! 08:29, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


Knowledge based WP pages like this should always be semi-protected to prevent edits from IP . I don't want to put any request any where for page-protection as after few days the semi-protection will lapse . We need permanent semi-protection--CosmicEmperor (talk) 17:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

@CosmicEmperor: You can request that at WP:RFPP. Make sure that you put up a good case, with evidence. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Why should I put a request . Those who worked hard to create this page , they should put a request. I came here to read . What if I read at that point when a vandal had done something and I end up getting wrong knowledge . Not only this page but every page , with Wiki Help and wiki rules and wiki guidelines needs permanent semi-protection (I am not talking about wiki pages related to Biography , Movies , Literature , Arts , Science). This is just common sense . I have to put a request with evidence? . If a page is not vandalized , doesn't mean that no IP sock will do that ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CosmicEmperor (talkcontribs) 04:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Protection policy#Guidance for administrators where it says "semi-protection should not be used as a preemptive measure against vandalism that has not yet occurred". --Redrose64 (talk) 16:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
It may also be important to note to CosmicEmperor that there are editors, some of whom have, yes, put work into these help/guidance pages, who watch these pages not just to ensure that vandalism is quickly reverted, but also to ensure that any other changes to the content are beneficial improvements that will help readers. – Paine EllsworthCLIMAX! 14:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Re creating accidental Double redirects[edit]

This happens when the (newbie or veteran) editor reads the existing instruction at the last phrase/sentence of the section as one entire line of code: For example, #REDIRECT [[Secretary-General of the United Nations]] to #REDIRECT [[Trygve Lie]] reads as: " Redirect [Old target page] to Redirect [New target page] ", that is, he/she submits the entire quoted phrase on the redirect Edit page. The desired fix does not happen---the redirect still goes to the old target page, not the new one. And the newbie editor is flummoxed and an oldie editor is puzzled for a time. Such doesn't need to be.

If you will pls try it for yourself, goto Hominidae (lede) and find "hominins" (in the 2nd ph); then attempt to redirect it, but keep the 'existing redirect note' in this phrase= " Redirect [Chimpanzee-human last common ancestor] to Redirect [Hominini] "; this causes the double redirect to happen. (Pls 'undo' your trial run so others can play.) Thanks Jbeans (talk) 17:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

If the layout is the problem, let's change just the layout. Adding more text to explain it just makes things more confusing, IMHO. —capmo (talk) 17:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm ok with that---whatever works. Pls proceed. Jbeans (talk) 17:50, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
@Jbeans: I think that you're under a mistaken impression as to what a "double redirect" is. This is not a double redirect; it is a misconstructed redirect. A double redirect is where page A is set up as a redirect to page B, and page B is itself set up as a redirect to page C. To fix this, we edit page A so that it is set up as a redirect to page C. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Redrose64, I appreciate your point---wish I had known it yesterday. Jbeans (talk) 01:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

New article[edit]

You can replace a redirect with an article and spend less time looking for links to the original target. You may still look for links to the new article (previously a redirect). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:22, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

A purpose of redirects to present a common name of a subject with parenthesis as a redirect in cases in which a Natural disambiguation is used[edit]

I was just looking at the article John Cyril Smith and saw that, in his obituary, he was known simply as "John Smith". In cases like this I'm wondering about the potential value of creating the article as something like John Smith (barrister), John Smith (professor of law) or John Smith (authority on law) or creating such a title as a redirect. The reason for this is that, if a reader clicked into the search box to the top right of a Wikipedia page and searched on "John Smith (" or on something like "John Smith (b" then a topic option such as "John Smith (barrister)" would then have a chance of appearing within the drop down menu that appears when a reader starts to input a search term. I think that this may be useful in cases where someone who is disambiguated with use of a middle name but is still commonly known by first and last name. However the other option is that readers can always make use of a navigation page such as the one found at John Smith. GregKaye 19:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Of course, it is perfectly okay to deliberately create such redirects, for as long as they are justified by their name and you can find a properly disambiguating term (ideally following a scheme used for similar article titles elsewhere already). There are various useful applications. In some cases (though not in yours), it can also help linking to a redirect in other articles, see Help:Pipe trick. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:00, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Is there an effective way to find articles by parenthetical disambiguator, or otherwise to learn how commonly different disambiguators are in use? As simple search strings "(character)" and (character) seem to be equivalent with the parentheses ignored in both cases. --P64 (talk) 19:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Download the latest Wikipedia title dump and grep for disambiguators. Gorobay (talk) 20:43, 1 July 2015 (UTC)