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"Not mentioned at target"[edit]

"Not mentioned at target'" (or "no info at target", etc) is an argument that comes up a lot at RfD (e.g. User:Lenticel's comment for User:Tavix' nomination of Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_June_1. I am not at all pointing fingers here, but I believe the consensus is that we delete redirects where there is no info at the target: if it's been removed or never created in the first place.

But we don't have any specific guideline about this. I tend to argue WP:RFD#D2 confusion instead, since it is at least a WP:SURPRISE to put in a specific term (and another editor has a habit of saying "no reason has been given" even when reasons have been given, which is why I got in the habit of explicitly stating the reason). But I think this has so much consensus now, that we could do with either adding a criterion to WP:RFD#DELETE (not my favoured option), or adding to WP:RFD#D2 explictly "The target does not mention this", or something like that (I'm not sure what I would do for the exact wording: "mention" I am not sure of, for starters: "describe"?). What do others think? Si Trew (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

  • I always interpret "not mentioned at target" as WP:RFD#D2 because, by that definition, it's confusing. I don't think we need to add it to any existing criteria, or create a D11, because it might be seen as WP:CREEP (and would need a lot of exceptions, such as misspellings and whatnot). However, if someone challenges a "not mentioned at target" argument, that's when you can connect the dots to WP:RFD#D2 and explain why a redirect of that type is confusing. Tavix | Talk  18:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree that it's merely a reiteration of WP:RFD#D2 and should not be made as a rule on its own. I'm also thinking that this is the Redirect version of WP:REDLINK. --Lenticel (talk) 00:21, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, I think WP:RFD#D10 is closer to WP:REDLINK: but anyway, I tend to quite policy/guidelines outside of the WP:RFD#DELETE (or WP:RFD#KEEP) guidelines, such as WP:TITLE, since from a reader's point of view, they don't even know, when searching, that it's a redirect (well not on the usual quick search dropdowns etc) so I think we should still abide by those: and after all, redirects are both in main article space, and in what someone else (I forget whom) described as "reader-facing space" (talk pages, templates and so on are in editor-facing space, but categories are in reader-facing space). I certainly don't want to WP:CREEP here, but on the other hand I was wondering if we were using WP:RFD#D2 as a Get Out of Jail Free card and should make our intentions more explicit. But if you think it's fine as it stands, then stet. Si Trew (talk) 07:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Help with wrong redirect[edit]

Could anybody please help me with how to deal with a plain wrong redirect? See Talk:Chief_architect. --MartinThoma (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects are cheap[edit]

Should we upgrade Redirects are cheap from "essay" status to "guideline" status? It is used as one of the "guiding principles of RfD" after all. Deryck C. 12:09, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. --BDD (talk) 13:28, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Emoji redirect discussion[edit]

Hello! I've started a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#Ideas toward a guideline on emoji page titles on how to deal with certain unclear emoji redirect pages, such as some of the ones that have come up here in the last few weeks. If you would like to comment on what to do with these sorts of redirects generally (and not on the individual redirects themselves) then please head over there and share your thoughts. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 23:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

"Note"s in lede[edit]

Do we really need the three "Note:"s in the lede at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Header? I don't mean do we need the notes – patently we need those – but I don't see why we need to prefix them with Note:". That's just clutter; delete 'em. Si Trew (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Or maybe replace 'em with bullet points. Si Trew (talk) 09:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I'm going to be WP:BOLD and do it. Si Trew (talk) 09:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)