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Trivia: Reset the clock[edit]

Following on from Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion/Archive 6#Trivia: Longest ever stretch of no nominations we racked up only 150 days of consecutive nominations, as nobody found anything worth discussing yesterday (25 March 2015). The record stands at 555 days, to beat that we need consecutive nominations until at least Sunday 2 October 2016. Thryduulf (talk) 01:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm I had to correct User:Thryduulf last time on this one. Now what I am doing, is not worrying so much on the timeline, which I imagine is correct, but that "Reset the clock" is not idiomatic English. "Put the clock back"? "Restart the Clock"? Anyway it was a boring day for me with nothing coming in. Si Trew (talk) 06:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

This has to be easier[edit]

Surely there is some way we can ease the task of listing on RfD? It is far to easy to get this wrong, requires too many steps, and is needlessly complicated. Is there no way to automate this? Why isn't there a field you paste the redirect title into and another with the reason and you're done? No, an external tool is not a solution, I'm not going to download some equally abusive system to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:26, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I already suggested you once, if you install Twinkle, it will offer you the chances. (talk) 22:37, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

"Not mentioned at target"[edit]

"Not mentioned at target'" (or "no info at target", etc) is an argument that comes up a lot at RfD (e.g. User:Lenticel's comment for User:Tavix' nomination of Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_June_1. I am not at all pointing fingers here, but I believe the consensus is that we delete redirects where there is no info at the target: if it's been removed or never created in the first place.

But we don't have any specific guideline about this. I tend to argue WP:RFD#D2 confusion instead, since it is at least a WP:SURPRISE to put in a specific term (and another editor has a habit of saying "no reason has been given" even when reasons have been given, which is why I got in the habit of explicitly stating the reason). But I think this has so much consensus now, that we could do with either adding a criterion to WP:RFD#DELETE (not my favoured option), or adding to WP:RFD#D2 explictly "The target does not mention this", or something like that (I'm not sure what I would do for the exact wording: "mention" I am not sure of, for starters: "describe"?). What do others think? Si Trew (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

  • I always interpret "not mentioned at target" as WP:RFD#D2 because, by that definition, it's confusing. I don't think we need to add it to any existing criteria, or create a D11, because it might be seen as WP:CREEP (and would need a lot of exceptions, such as misspellings and whatnot). However, if someone challenges a "not mentioned at target" argument, that's when you can connect the dots to WP:RFD#D2 and explain why a redirect of that type is confusing. Tavix | Talk  18:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree that it's merely a reiteration of WP:RFD#D2 and should not be made as a rule on its own. I'm also thinking that this is the Redirect version of WP:REDLINK. --Lenticel (talk) 00:21, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, I think WP:RFD#D10 is closer to WP:REDLINK: but anyway, I tend to quite policy/guidelines outside of the WP:RFD#DELETE (or WP:RFD#KEEP) guidelines, such as WP:TITLE, since from a reader's point of view, they don't even know, when searching, that it's a redirect (well not on the usual quick search dropdowns etc) so I think we should still abide by those: and after all, redirects are both in main article space, and in what someone else (I forget whom) described as "reader-facing space" (talk pages, templates and so on are in editor-facing space, but categories are in reader-facing space). I certainly don't want to WP:CREEP here, but on the other hand I was wondering if we were using WP:RFD#D2 as a Get Out of Jail Free card and should make our intentions more explicit. But if you think it's fine as it stands, then stet. Si Trew (talk) 07:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Help with wrong redirect[edit]

Could anybody please help me with how to deal with a plain wrong redirect? See Talk:Chief_architect. --MartinThoma (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Redirects are cheap[edit]

Should we upgrade Redirects are cheap from "essay" status to "guideline" status? It is used as one of the "guiding principles of RfD" after all. Deryck C. 12:09, 30 June 2015 (UTC)