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August Rigo link please[edit]

Hello, can we link August Rigo to his wikipedia page? He wrote this song as well as the new song Tough Love on Chris Brown's Heartbreak on a Full Moon album.

Redlinks for songwriters etc[edit]

I started a (now deleted) conversation on User:Ss112's talk page, which I thought might be worth bringing to a wider discussion, about redlinks for the songwriters who do not already have articles.

It seems to be usual practice to not redlink composers and suchlike - Ben Billions, one of the songwriters in the original conversation, is mentioned over 100 times on Wikipedia, but never linked, and very few articles have composer redlinks; which means that anyone who does create that article (which I think should be created, as there are now plenty of sources for notability - [1] [2] [3]) will need to go through and link them all.

WP:REDLINKS summary is "Red links for subjects that should have articles but do not, are not only acceptable, but needed in the articles. They serve as a clear indication of which articles are in need of creation, and encourage it. Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on that subject." In other words, we have a permissive standard for what should be redlinked.

Given that songwriters listed in an article pretty much intrinsically meet WP:COMPOSER - "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition" - I would suggest they meet the rather low bar set by WP:REDLINKS and should be redlinked to encourage creation of articles; or at least redlinks should not be removed if present. TSP (talk) 16:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Those notability criteria are not usually stand-alone. If the songwriter doesn't have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the writer, a singe co-write on a single charting song is not enough to merit an article. Common sense here really. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Seconded. Unless there's some particular reason to think a writer is specifically meeting the WP:GNG, they should not be red linked. Just having some writing credits is not good enough, and if one continued on to create these articles on this premise, they'd probably end up with a lot of WP:INHERITED issues leading to deletions and redirects. Sergecross73 msg me 23:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. That just seems out of line with what WP:REDLINKS says. The policy says that redlinking is good, and redlinks should be added for things that might be plausible articles, and almost never removed. Current practice for people on song pages seems to functionally be to basically never redlink; as it's hard to think when it would be obvious that a writer definitely met the notability requirements unless they already have an article. TSP (talk) 00:27, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

MetroLyrics[edit]

MetroLyrics no longer uses the LF (LyricFind) logo to identify "official" or presumably licensed song lyrics. Now, it appears the only way to tell is to click on "edit lyrics" and see whether it reads

"Locked: [X] Lyrics
The lyrics to this song are deemed official and accurate, and are subsequently locked."

instead of

"Edit: [X] Lyrics
Submit Corrections"

Some lyrics which were previously marked with the LF logo now are not locked and can be edited. Since MetroLyrics links were added to thousands of song articles by a bot, this could affect a large number of articles. It may be time to reconsider whether the benefits of including MetroLyrics links outweigh the reliability issues (frequently miscredited songwriters, etc.).

Meanwhile, propose to change the MetroLyrics entry wording at WP:MUSIC/SOURCES#List of unreliable sources (with link to relevant discussion) and WP:SONG#LYRICS to remove "lyrics with LF logo" and add "lyrics that are 'Locked' (unable to be edited by users) are acceptable". If there are no objections, I'll make the changes. —Ojorojo (talk) 00:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I support that change. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with it too. I never saw much of a benefit anyways. Lyrics don't really seemed like something an encyclopedia would track to me anyways, even as ELs, not to mention how easy it is to just Google "Song X lyrics" and get 20 different relevant websites anyways. Sergecross73 msg me
Completely agree with you Sergecross73, providing complete song lyrics on Wikipedia just seems like a variation of WP:NOTDIR to me - I support Ojorojo's proposed changes too. Richard3120 (talk) 15:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm reading that we are in favour of completely removing the lyrics from the EL section not just removing those that are not locked. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm fine with any/all/whatever consensus dictates. Sergecross73 msg me 21:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
There are listings for WP:GOODCHARTS, WP:BADCHARTS, etc. Lyrics sites could be treated the same. That way an editor would decide which link, if any, is best suited. Whatever the reason for the preference given to MetroLyrics is long gone. Is there support to bring this up at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard? —Ojorojo (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
GOODCHARTS and BADCHARTS are about which may be used as sources. This is a different issue: its always an EL and I'm reading two editors (and I would add myself as a third) who think it's not useful as an EL. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:18, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
I was trying to find a compromise with those who originally supported it (see Linking lyrics from legal providers, Linking lyrics from legal providers revisited, A bot for MetroLyrics links, etc.). As a practical matter, most lyric sites I've seen have reliability problems, so I'd be in favor of not including them at all. Perhaps an RfC: Should articles contain external links to commercial lyrics sites? —Ojorojo (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I made the changes to WP:ALBUMAVOID and WP:SONG#LYRICS. The question has been added at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard#Should song articles contain external links to commercial lyrics sites?. Please add your comments there. —Ojorojo (talk) 22:30, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject[edit]

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Songs

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod talk 18:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Mi Gente being added to the List[edit]

Mi gente should be added to the list as it is now 2x platinum by the RIAA. Regards (190.80.50.137 (talk) 14:30, 7 December 2017 (UTC))

Added to what list, exactly? The article for "Mi Gente" already states that it has a double platinum certification in the U.S. Richard3120 (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

"Catalog numbering systems for single records" article input[edit]

Hi there. I would love to get some more input at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catalog numbering systems for single records. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 13:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC)